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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 10 months ago) and read 4876 times:

Reposting because I think it is a great topic, especially if you are an airline employee working over the holiday season.

This is the article/video CNN released going behind the scenes of UA operations and ramp in IAH
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/travel...-ground-crews/index.html?hpt=tr_c1

It is nice to see this since most ramp workers go are the unsung heros of the holiday traveling season.

They said ramp crews will work six turns in a day. Is this how it works in hubs like IAH,ATL,ORD,JFK,DTW,etc?


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User currently offline777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

for the most part, yes. When you consider the average "turn" takes an hour. an 8h shift including 30min lunch doesn't giving much for downtime and delays. So yes, 6 is an accurate number.

HOWEVER, there are times when you are scheduled to do the 40min turns and CAN do 7. Keep in mind, physically that 7 turns in crampt spaces can be quite intense on your body. Tie in weather, time and physical space contraints, this helps prevent wearing/ fatigue and mistakes in the long run.


User currently offlinewomenbeshoppin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

An 8 hour shift on a high volume hub station located in Pennsylvania in the domestic concourse would typically see 3 "turns" and a terminator for mainline airbus aircraft, 319/320/321 or 4-5 "turns" and a terminator on a gate with mostly 170/175s. It would rarely differ from that. Unless you were lucky enough to have a plane go Tech on your gate and sit the rest of the day. Loved those days!!!!

Edit, that of course is for the afternoon shifts, because morning shifts were at least 10 years of seniority. But the ot that I worked in the morning saw roughly the same thing give or take an extra flight in lieu of the terminator.

[Edited 2012-11-23 19:47:45]

User currently offlinecaptainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

My personal 'best' was 5 total flights (one out, 4 turns and one in) in a 5 hour evening shift. Suprisingly, not anytime close to Thanksgiving or Christmas - it was on MLK day this past January (3rd Monday of the month).


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User currently offlineadh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Quoting womenbeshoppin (Reply 2):
a plane go Tech on your gate and sit the rest of the day. Loved those days!!!!

If your gate is "closed" by a tech place, why don't they move you to another gate to help out? It seems like a waste to just sit around all day.

Andrew


User currently offlinewomenbeshoppin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

Quoting adh214 (Reply 4):
If your gate is "closed" by a tech place, why don't they move you to another gate to help out? It seems like a waste to just sit around all day.

That is the beauty of a hub and a union. The concourse lead who makes the gate schedule is also a union employee, kinda a avoiding friendly fire situation. You are assigned to that gate and should management choose not to take the plane off your gate, that is their problem not yours. There is also the case when your gate gets slammed. Take the good with the bad. Plus if someone would go to another gate and get injured or have an aircraft damage then that person will be jammed up because they were not assigned to the gate. This is talking hub, not a line station. Much different for a line station.


User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

At my outstation, I can pick up a double shift and work all seven operations - two kickoffs, three turns, two terminators - with lots of downtime in between. Altogether about 16 hours and I really enjoy it!

Skd 30 minute turns here, but if we need to we can do a full in full out turn in 14 minutes (our best) and with realistic "obstructions" about 18-22 minutes.


User currently offlinenwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Rampers are underrated.

Quoting womenbeshoppin (Reply 5):
Much different for a line station.

Yep.

Often much busier, and a lot less specialization. No units either, of course; if it shows up in your city, you work it.

I see 7 launch (or kickoff) flights, and 4-5 turns on my shift. Mix of M/L and regional A/C.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

I work in a line station and on my shift you either work two over nighters and one turn that have a ground time of two plus hours. Of course we also have a tow crew that moves over night A/C around to open up gate space.

Quoting womenbeshoppin (Reply 5):

I think some of the nonunion carriers are not like that. Am I right?



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User currently offlinewomenbeshoppin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2470 times:

Maybe like ATS or Servisair or swissport or some contractors could be like that. I think you would be hard pressed to find a us airline regional or not that is not part of a union. I could be wrong though.

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2389 times:

Well it rises the question of how the WorldPort operation works in ATL since DL is not union. Also regional airline ground crews like OO are not union as well and they operate a hubs in SLC, DEN, and LAX.


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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 8):
I work in a line station and on my shift you either work two over nighters and one turn that have a ground time of two plus hours.

Must be nice...



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5647 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Quoting womenbeshoppin (Reply 2):
An 8 hour shift on a high volume hub station located in Pennsylvania in the domestic concourse would typically see 3 "turns" and a terminator for mainline airbus aircraft, 319/320/321 or 4-5 "turns" and a terminator on a gate with mostly 170/175s. It would rarely differ from that. Unless you were lucky enough to have a plane go Tech on your gate and sit the rest of the day. Loved those days!!!!

It's about the same for a high volume hub station in Arizona  

My personal records for a gate are 6 turns and a terminator in 8 hours (all 733s), and there was one day where I literally did zero flights.

But my specialty (and regular bid) is connecting bags (CONX/ABR). An average mainline-mainline PM shift will have me running 3-4 flights, and about double that if I'm running mainline-express (although it's usually a lot less bags total). AM shifts are a little busier, with the average being upped by 1-2 flights/shift.

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 7):
Rampers are underrated.

I think a better term is under-appreciated.

FWIW, I have NEVER heard anyone say they don't miss working the ramp.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlinedelta2ual From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 12):
FWIW, I have NEVER heard anyone say they don't miss working the ramp.

Isn't that the truth! My very first airline job at 19 was with HP in TUS. We were cross-trained CSR's and I loved my 2 ramp days. I dreaded my ticket counter and gate days! I was in the best shape of my life and I liked the the teamwork on the ramp. Being a F/A had its perks too but nothing beats the ramp. I've thought of hiring back on as a part-time ramper. Since I don't need the money, I think it would be fun.



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