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Air India Summons Boeing Brass For Poor 787s  
User currently offlinedeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1427 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 32392 times:

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chann...summons-boeing-brass-poor-787s-029
"Unhappy with the performance of the swanky new Boeing 787 “Dreamliner” aircraft due to “recurring technical snags”, a furious civil aviation ministry and Air India have summoned Boeing Corporation’s top brass to India, top aviation sources told this newspaper.

Sources said of the three Dreamliners received so far, one or the other aircraft is usually grounded at a time due to some snag. Such snags in new aircraft have puzzled the airline."

What next?


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User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 32459 times:

What next?

More grandstanding to draw attention from their own mismanagement, fraud, poor industrial relations and what should be a dead duck airline perhaps?


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 32388 times:

Shocker... Is anyone else not surprised by this?


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 32343 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 2):
Shocker... Is anyone else not surprised by this?

At least AI is consistent in it's never ending whining about their aircraft. I'm surprised so little, that it is not measurable.  Wow!



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User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 32310 times:

And they wonder why no one wants to do business with them..(e.g. no takers for their 77Ls)

User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 32290 times:
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I assume AI knew that they were taking delivery o a new aircraft type which usually encounters early operational issues, The A380 had them and I assume the A350 will too.

Funny how no-one else seems to have these problems.....maybe the Japanese are too discrete?

[Edited 2012-11-24 03:16:37]

User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 32222 times:

All aircraft have settling in problems. Sometimes they fly for months with back-crew and specialist engineers.

Has any airline actually sung the praises of the 787?

Time for Boeing to get their spin guys out.


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 32064 times:

Interestingly, in the article Air India seems to be comparing the 787 EIS with the 777, ignoring the fact that AI didn't take the 777 until the aircraft had been in service for over 10 years, by which time the early snags had been ironed out.

I wonder how much compensation AI is going for, or will Boeing try and buy them back and offer them to someone else!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 32059 times:

It depends on the type of snags encountered.....are these flt operationally induced or maintenance induced....do other operators with similiar type aircraft have them too.....that will indicate the reason.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 32008 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 6):
Has any airline actually sung the praises of the 787?

ANA has, particularly regarding the efficiency of the aircraft being better than expected. I don't have a link, off the top of my head, but it's in the forum.

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 7):
I wonder how much compensation AI is going for, or will Boeing try and buy them back and offer them to someone else!

In my useless opinion, Boeing would be well off to tell AI to go fly a kite. AI has a lot in common with Ryanair; whenever either carrier calls Boeing or Airbus, seems like all they get is hold music!


User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 31995 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 6):

Yes. JAL and ANA have both praised the 787s performance, in fact ANA did a top of order for it. Your Boeing bashing is getting tiring.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 31955 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 6):
Time for Boeing to get their spin guys out

If the complaints came from a competent airline, you might have a point. But we all know that Air India is a government run basket case and an industry laughing stock that probably couldn't turn a profit if their fuel were free.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):
In my useless opinion, Boeing would be well off to tell AI to go fly a kite.

If they were an actual private business they could. But unfortunately, Air India is very much under the thumb of the Indian government and so Boeing failing to listen to their complaints, no matter how frivolous, could jeopardize their ability to secure Indian defense contracts.



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User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1581 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 31578 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 5):
The A380

A) The A380 didn't really have them, it had a very smooth service entry.

B) The 787 has been in service, in theory, for more than a year so Boeing should be getting on top of reliability problems.

But it's much easier to try and throw shade on Airbus and Air India than admit that there may be problems with some Boeing 787's which have been repeatedly rebuilt through change incorporation.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12158 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 31343 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 6):
Has any airline actually sung the praises of the 787?
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):
ANA
Quoting phxa340 (Reply 10):
Yes. JAL and ANA have both praised the 787s performance, in fact ANA did a top of order for it. Your Boeing bashing is getting tiring.

Add UA, ET, and LA like theirs, too. LO is to begin operatioing the B-787 this month. So far, about 33 aircraft have been dlivered to about 8 airlines, including AI. Only AI has complained about operating the B-787.


User currently onlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 31022 times:

G'day

Quoting deaphen (Thread starter):
Sources said of the three Dreamliners received so far, one or the other aircraft is usually grounded at a time due to some snag. Such snags in new aircraft have puzzled the airline."

Every new aircraft entering service experiences some snags, else the airframers would not send out large support teams to each new customer airline to assist with entry into service. No difference whether A, B, C or E.

With the less than proactive approach of AI or the GOI - same thing - their arrogant attitude likely feeds down to the line personnel supposedly in charge of a smooth service entry. In the interest of their employer airline they should have been keen learning to kick the tires properly but I guess that is not how things work in India. Arrogant on top results in equal or even bigger arrogance and ignorance at the "servant" level.  

I guess someone from the B company has to get there to smooth the waves a bit, they have to to keep the defense side of the business going, but we will continue to hear about this saga for some time to come - while everybody else happily keeps flying the 787 around the world.  


Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineDrColenzo From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2012, 143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 30231 times:

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 1):
More grandstanding to draw attention from their own mismanagement, fraud, poor industrial relations and what should be a dead duck airline perhaps?

Yep.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):
At least AI is consistent in it's never ending whining about their aircraft. I'm surprised so little, that it is not measurable.

Yep.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 4):
And they wonder why no one wants to do business with them..(e.g. no takers for their 77Ls)

Yep.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):
ANA has, particularly regarding the efficiency of the aircraft being better than expected. I don't have a link, off the top of my head, but it's in the forum.

Yep.

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 10):
Yes. JAL and ANA have both praised the 787s performance, in fact ANA did a top of order for it. Your Boeing bashing is getting tiring.

Yep.

Par for the course as far as Air India is concerned. Indeed, I very thinly recollect something similar with the 747-400 although you will have to find some information to back me up on that - I am sure I remember some Indian official ranting on at the time about the wonders of the Il-86/Il-96, but it is only a recollection from twenty years ago.

From my business and family dealings with India, I have witnessed some real finger pointing by government departments at outsiders who are to blame for their own problems - maybe there is something wrong with the Air India 787s, maybe this is real, but then stop whining and blaming everyone, get off your backsides and sort the problem out

Thank God normal Indian business people and indeed normal Indian people are not like this and are instead ernest and hardworking people.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4304 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 30013 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 6):
All aircraft have settling in problems. Sometimes they fly for months with back-crew and specialist engineers.

Has any airline actually sung the praises of the 787?

Time for Boeing to get their spin guys out.

No one else seem to be having the problems that AI is having, there fore this would seem as a way for AI to try to get something for nothing. I have to laugh at all the problems AI is coming up with their aircraft. I believe the problems have to be systemic at AI and not really a problem with their aircraft. If AI is really having the amount of problems they say they are, then maybe they should have ordered the A350...oh wait that plane is not even built yet, and I am sure that AI would find fault it as well.



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 29943 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 5):
Funny how no-one else seems to have these problems.....maybe the Japanese are too discrete?

ANA had their share of issues in the beginning. I kept tabs on their 787s for a few weeks back in March while they had 5 frames:
http://www.pdxlight.com/787/ANA787.htm

I'm not suggesting the reliability during that timeframe was good or bad for a new type. It merely shows that the lack of any publicized issues doesn't necessarily equate to trouble-free operations. It's also worth noting that an airline won't typically be spending millions on a media campaign to promote a new product - only to turn around to publicly criticize it. Enter Air India... they may be alone in that regard.

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 14):
With the less than proactive approach of AI or the GOI - same thing - their arrogant attitude likely feeds down to the line personnel supposedly in charge of a smooth service entry. In the interest of their employer airline they should have been keen learning to kick the tires properly but I guess that is not how things work in India. Arrogant on top results in equal or even bigger arrogance and ignorance at the "servant" level.

I think it's a little unfair to suggest such on the mx level when we're not privy to the issues they may be experiencing. Personally, I don't doubt they've been seeing some teething issues, but it seems AI management/govt are simply exploiting the issue once again and throwing another public tantrum. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 29865 times:

Please stop taking these kinds of comments at face value.

Deccan Chronicle's "top aviation sources" are rubbish, if their past claims are any indicator.

AI is dealing with normal teething issues, and AI has certainly requested assistance from Boeing to help overcome these issues, but "furious Civil Aviation Ministry" and "Boeing's top brass" are exaggerations to a ridiculous level.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 29484 times:

Quoting deaphen (Thread starter):
What next?

It is at times like this the other OEM is happy they didn't get the order  

Boeing will investigate the problems brought forward and deal with them. That's what next.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 28911 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 18):
but it seems AI management/govt are simply exploiting the issue once again and throwing another public tantrum.

AI management does not throw public tantrums.

What you are referencing is our sensationalist press, which takes random comments, often out of context, and makes a massive story out of them.

A.net needs to learn to take our press less seriously.



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User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 28582 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 5):
Funny how no-one else seems to have these problems.....maybe the Japanese are too discrete?

NH did have some problems in the beginning (see below), but instead of whining and complaining, they just fixed the problems. I'm sure Boeing was notified and NH may have even asked for help, but they certainly didn't do this ridiculous grandstanding like AI does.

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 10):
Yes. JAL and ANA have both praised the 787s performance, in fact ANA did a top of order for it. Your Boeing bashing is getting tiring.

  

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 13):
Only AI has complained about operating the B-787.

At least in this fashion. They aren't the only airline to have minor problems with the 787, but they are the only ones publicly complaining about it.

Quoting flood (Reply 18):
ANA had their share of issues in the beginning. I kept tabs on their 787s for a few weeks back in March while they had 5 frames:

  

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 21):
A.net needs to learn to take our press less seriously.

Regardless of AI's original intent, they've created a reputation for shameless, public bashing of the products which they buy. The perception is that AI is again fishing for compensation for problems that are to be expected with a new aircraft.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 28409 times:
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QR took delivery of their third 787-8 last week and AAB isn't chewing on glass about them, so that alone must be proof the 787 is perfect.     

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 28295 times:

So how are UAL's 787s doing? I recall the first flight was delayed because the cockpit door didn't lock properly. How have they been performing since?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31124 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 28120 times:
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Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 23):
So how are UAL's 787s doing?

The news reports that I can find have been favorable. They and QR each received their 3rd airframe on the 20th.


25 TomFoolery : Uhhh what? A 380 was and is not immune to issues at EIS. Alternate Brake System Both T900 and GP7200 Engines have operational glitches (including in
26 brilondon : I thought that I had misread that quote. The airline image is suffering not only due to functioning aircraft also the dysfunctional and often incompe
27 Post contains links flood : This article points to issues with the MEL: [...] "the three Boeing 787 Dreamliners that the national carrier bought have been grounded at Delhi’s I
28 Post contains links and images lightsaber : ANA CEO and President Shinichiro Ito said “ANA is delighted with the performance of the 787′s in its fleet over the course of the last year. The 7
29 Post contains images par13del : So we take it that the MEL is strictly computer based and Windows 8 came up with the BSD rather than the MEL, perhaps Boeing should move from Microso
30 et767fan : Ethiopian (ET) seems to like their 787s. They ordered three more this month.
31 swallow : Dosen't Boeing have field service engineers embedded with AI to provide entry-into-service support? Or would AI be expected to resolve bugs like a ME
32 Post contains images kanban : There are probably at least 6 to 10 field service people from Boeing on site, and daily explicit communications to Boeing Customer Support (or what ev
33 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Would the NH CEO say anything different? When has the head of a Japanese company ever said anything negative about anything? They probably were delig
34 Post contains images Stitch : In the end, if they weren't satisfied, they wouldn't have ordered any more - and they did.
35 mham001 : Including its bloggers. And yet we were told last month by an Indian blogger that Ethiopian was also struggling with systemic failures.
36 Post contains images lightsaber : AI is doing a little better post the pilot strike, but there will be another issue that inhibits meeting on time performance that is somehow never AI
37 Gr8Circle : As usual, any AI topic brings out all the AI bashers on this forum (who seem to be growing in numbers day by day)....but you take the cake my friend.
38 Oshkosh1 : As with ANY industry...there will ALWAYS be "snags" when a completely new product is introduced and they are operated in real world conditions/tempo/n
39 Post contains links DLT123 : Let us not forget that the ANA Seattle to Tokyo launch flight had a full 24 hour delay. And that was in Boeing'S backyard. http://www.frequentbusiness
40 fshplns : The sensationalist press, are they related in anyway to that infamous paper in England, or the trash tabloids here in the states?
41 PHX787 : I'll make the popcorn and grab the brews. Ito-shachô should have a sitdown with the aviation ministry of India to see why they're having so many com
42 aeroblogger : Having lived in the US for many years, I can tell you that even the trashiest tabloids in the US have more integrity than many "mainstream" English-l
43 Post contains images blueshamu330s : I was told during the Kingfisher debacle by an Indian friend flying for them: "In India, politicians are simply corrupt, news reporters are people wh
44 Post contains links Viscount724 : There was a thread 2 weeks ago re a JAL 787 that was delayed about 24 hours at BOS due to an inoperative PA system. 2 JAL 787s At Boston Now (by chri
45 type-rated : I think AI is going to argue with Boeing officials for a lower price on these aircraft. After all, isn't arguing a large part of doing business in Ind
46 flylku : Indeed. I help customers with a highly technical product. There are always problems for which the product itself is to blame but more often than not
47 sonomaflyer : So aside from AI grandstanding, do we have an specifics about what problems they've encountered? I would assume they know Boeing's phone number to cal
48 FLALEFTY : Air India ordered these 27 787s when economic times were much better and they were poised for what was expected to be unprecedented international grow
49 Stitch : That conversion would cost a mint. Boeing would be better off just shifting them for a song to another 787 customer as compensation. As noted by a nu
50 FLALEFTY : Good point. But since AI is government-owned, the Aviation Ministry likely has a good bit of pull. Also, there is more at stake for Boeing. For insta
51 aeroblogger : The most likely culprit is a journalist who needed a news story, not a ministry official. AI considered cancelling 1/2 the order last year, however t
52 Post contains links mffoda : Since your so big on ANA, Why not look at it Dispatch Reliability over a period that Matters (a year)? Where the Airline says they have dispatch reli
53 zeke : To be fair, is that actually true ? I thought the additional order was not for the type they were currently operating, it was for the 787-9 ? You can
54 mayor : Seems to me that the biggest problem, here, is AI's attitude and how they are handling the problem, as opposed to the other operators of the 787. The
55 EK413 : I might just sit around and wait until ANA, JAL, Ethiopian, UA, QR, LA come back with a "Unhappy with the performance of the swanky new Boeing 787 “
56 Post contains images mffoda : Tell me zeke, is it possible to operate a 787-9 now? I think you are reaching on this one. That 96.3% was for One month... For the Whole year 99.3%!
57 flood : The 99.3% figure refers to "flight operation rate", as indicated in your second link. I don't think this is measured the same way as dispatch reliabi
58 mffoda : I think it does, as it was reported in other threads (including the other link in my previous post). As a matter of fact, RR created their own news b
59 Roseflyer : I don't think any airplane is immune to issues but most airlines got spoiled with the 777. One could argue with the crack problem that the A380 had t
60 aeroblogger : I don't see any evidence to back up this argument. When AI was facing a cargo door problem, management/maintenance consulted with the Boeing experts
61 Post contains links flood : I recall the "99.3%" figure in another thread as well, but it was also based on these tables depicting "flight operation rate". With regards to your
62 mffoda : Well the RR press release followed the ANA briefing stating the overall ANA 787 rate of 99.3% for the year. One would think? that the very high RR ra
63 mayor : Maybe I should clarify.......I'm talking about in this particular case, not past problems that they've had. In this particular instance, they seem to
64 aeroblogger : The current (electronics) issues are being handled no differently than the other teething problems AI has faced. AI is working with the Boeing resour
65 flood : Yes, but it simply doesn't speak for the aircraft as a whole. Unless ANA or the industry have a differing and set definition for "flight operation ra
66 sunrisevalley : If this is a fact and Boeing chooses to respond they should tell AI that they have a team in India that is providing the technical support as contrac
67 aeroblogger : I agree 100%. AI must follow the procedure set to troubleshoot teething issues - first try to solve it within the company, then via the support Boein
68 Post contains images MaverickM11 : I'm sure he'll find something. Yeah they bring in a foreigner to say there's a problem and then fire him for stating the obvious ala Olympus
69 Post contains links mffoda : Flood, go back and have another look at the table in the airline repoter thread. It is in fact talking about DR. Flight Operation Rate = Dispatch Rel
70 aeroblogger : FOR ≠ DR, by definition.
71 Post contains images mffoda : Cute But, as intended it does...
72 zeke : Not at all, the comment was made that they were so impressed with the airframe they made a repeat order, they ordered additional 787s, however not a
73 flyPBA : are these problem 787s all from South Carolina?
74 Post contains images worldrider : Quoting lightsaber (Reply 36): Japanese CEOs won't say anything positive if there is an issue. Yeah they bring in a foreigner to say there's a problem
75 aeroblogger : 787s from Washington have also faced teething issues.[Edited 2012-11-25 08:03:21]
76 Roseflyer : I see some people posting dispatch reliability numbers. I caution anyone against comparing numbers from different sources. Dispatch reliability is act
77 Roseflyer : The standard warranties that Boeing and Airbus issue cover all defects within 3 years, and any significant design defect that impacts the safety of t
78 BandA : And we all know that the AI image post 787 was great. Is this their first brand new airplane (and type) purchase? And if anyone needs any proof of th
79 BLRAviation : I am, by no measure, considered an Air India loyalist, but I must point out that AI engineering has always been rated high in terms of their maintena
80 zeke : Even the delay codes and times pilots use often do not line up with what ground staff use. They see different sides of the same picture. Entry into s
81 kanban : since you have talked to these people, were the responses just ambiguous problems, or did they have specifics? This is where we're having problems wi
82 Post contains images HAWK21M : Everyone needs to take press worldwide with a bal;anced view...there are very few aviation reporters that know their job....
83 Post contains links goacom : As the article summaries suggest, AI seems to be engaged in a deliberate campaign to attack Boeing in an attempt to cover its own failings. This is no
84 N766UA : A few have, JAL and ANA in particular have commented about its performance and reliability being better than expected.
85 aeroblogger : AI has requested further support from Boeing after the resources Boeing provided in India could not solve the issues. This is exactly what is suppose
86 sunrisevalley : Thus Is it reasonable to infer from this that there are no Boeing support persons in India to help AI work through any problems?
87 aeroblogger : No, it is reasonable to infer that the support Boeing has provided in India was not sufficient. Boeing has stationed a small group to aid in the indu
88 kanban : I seem to recall that this was a major problem resulting from the absorption of the domestic airline by the international and giving training prefere
89 Post contains images DrColenzo : Thank you. I am damn proud of being an Air India basher, or indeed a basher of any poorly run state owned airlines that are interfered with by bureau
90 par13del : I speculate that the instructors left early because they could not train, not because they did not know how to train. Th article actually says nothin
91 swallow : Or is it the other way round; a set of AI pilots has been trained, but IA pilots are lagging behind
92 lightsaber : Some things never change, which is why AI's complaints are not taken seriously. Now LH on the other hand... The vendors listen. No one denies the chi
93 ytz : I'd buy that if AI's management and the Indian government hadn't thrown tantrums for months and tried to get the 787s for free....
94 rcair1 : there are very few .deleted. reporters that know their job These 3 news reports cause an immediate drop in credibility. First - why are they calling
95 Post contains images aeroblogger : Correct. The 2 pilots unions are being childish and blocking training, so training has been put on hold. Sufficient pilots have been trained for curr
96 Post contains images kanban : wonder if we looked at "C" series testing days and deliveries and found they correspond to the days the delivered birds didn't fly...
97 135mech : Well said! Sadly, they won't stop whining...EVER! AI needs to give up flying! 135mech
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