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New Round Of DL MEM Cuts  
User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13491 times:

DL will be making another round MEM cuts shortly after the holidays. All told, the number of departures which will fall from 111 to 94 which roughly equates to a 15% decrease in the number of flights. Three destinations will be discontinued and ten more will see frequency reductions (highlighted below). Perhaps the only surprising part is how close in most of these cuts are coming, with the majority taking place starting on 3Jan and a couple starting in mid-February or post Spring Break. Details are as follows:

Destinations being discontinued are: BHM, FLL (effective 8Apr - seasonal perhaps?), and JAX.

Destinations seeing a frequency reduction: BNA, JAN, LAX, LIT, MCI, RDU, SAT, STL, TUL, TYS.

All changes can be verified on delta.com

Source: delta.com

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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13313 times:

Enter NK? I think MEM is ripe for NK to begin service to DFW.

User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 730 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13297 times:

The FLL and JAX cuts make sense. I can't think of too many places from which it would be more direct to connect through MEM while heading to Florida as opposed to ATL.

With the other reductions, the MEM downsizing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The fewer flights offered, the more attractive it becomes to connect through ATL, which means there's less demand for MEM, which means a further reduction in flights, etc.

Never connected through there, so don't have an opinion on the plusses and minuses, but, like most folks here, can't say any of this is really surprising.



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User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2461 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13267 times:

There may be fanboys on here for MEM, but quite honestly MEM is RJ land. I would purposely avoid MEM as a connector as at least 50% of the time I would be on a CR2 both in and out of MEM.

I just wish DL would stop the slow bleed of both MEM and CVG and just re-name the airport type as focus city. That way there would be one round of whining and not several.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1944 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13000 times:

What a slow, painful death. Under 100 flights now. Cuts like BHM are really tough. MEM is a great connecting point for traffic to the north and west of it.

User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1393 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12952 times:

I wonder what will happen when WN comes to MEM. WIll DL fight back or will they just continue cuts? What is CVG at now?


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User currently offlinepremobrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12745 times:

You better double check FLL. I show it continuing on indefinitely. It keeps the same flight number but switches times.

DL 2311 is bookable through Oct. 10 and beyond.



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User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12693 times:

I'm seeing 93-96 daily departures for MEM in March (except Saturday, which is 20). Most cities are down to 1-2 flights/day, with ATL (9), CVG, DCA, IAH, ORD, CLT, IND, DTW, DFW, LGA, MSP, MSY, SLC and MCO at 3/each.

Mainline departures are 25-26 a day with 16 on Saturday. Mainline is ATL (9x), DTW (2x), FLL (1x), LAS (2x), LAX (1-2x), LGA (2x), MCO (3x), MSP (2x), PHX (1x), SLC (1x), TPA (1x) and CUN (Sat only).


User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12475 times:

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 6):
You better double check FLL. I show it continuing on indefinitely. It keeps the same flight number but switches times.

DL 2311 is bookable through Oct. 10 and beyond.

The flight is not bookable on delta.com after 07Apr. If it was removed in error, it has not yet been fixed.

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 7):
I'm seeing 93-96 daily departures for MEM in March (except Saturday, which is 20). Most cities are down to 1-2 flights/day, with ATL (9), CVG, DCA, IAH, ORD, CLT, IND, DTW, DFW, LGA, MSP, MSY, SLC and MCO at 3/each.

Yes, March peaks out at 96 daily departures but that will fall to 94 in April as MCO is seasonally reduced and FLL is suspended.


User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2301 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12278 times:

Quoting xjramper (Reply 3):
There may be fanboys on here for MEM, but quite honestly MEM is RJ land. I would purposely avoid MEM as a connector as at least 50% of the time I would be on a CR2 both in and out of MEM.

I just wish DL would stop the slow bleed of both MEM and CVG and just re-name the airport type as focus city. That way there would be one round of whining and not several.

Wow poor MEM, the misery just keeps on coming. I'll bet a year from now it will just be reduced to spokes and lucky if they have any other cities. I agree though, why now re-classify MEM and CVG as DL focus cities now, that's more of what they are now anyways.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 5):
I wonder what will happen when WN comes to MEM. WIll DL fight back or will they just continue cuts? What is CVG at now?

I think CVG is still around 150 ish flights (could be a little more or less not totally sure, maybe someone on here would have more accurate numbers). CVG is at least in a better standing at this point maintaining over 100 flights and also retaining CDG service. I guess it speaks for the demographics of the population and business community.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12120 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 9):
CVG is at least in a better standing at this point maintaining over 100 flights and also retaining CDG service. I guess it speaks for the demographics of the population and business community.

Oddly enough, though, CVG is showing far fewer total passengers than MEM through September 2012.

MEM - Jan-Sep 2012 - 5,358,962 total passengers source

CVG - Jan-Sep 2012 - 4,636,326 total passengers source

Note: CVG has reported October totals, but MEM hasn't yet. Adding in October totals brings CVG up to 5,151,260 total passengers - still less than MEM had reported through the month of September.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineDeltaDC8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11889 times:

According to delta.com they have 118 flights from Cincinnati per day and 45 destinations. The strange thing is that also according to delta.com they have two Skyclubs. To my knowledge we only have one in Concourse B near gate 14.


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User currently offlinesampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11750 times:

I hate this for Memphis. And I'm tired of the whiners, who likely don't even fly. I remember as a kid, in the 70s, when Delta controlled all of concourse A with dozens of flights. Then, Delta pulled back when Republic was formed from the merger of Southern and North Central. Later, Northwest came in and for decades had a nice sized thriving hub. At one point, NWA increased flights, adding a 4th bank of flights. I remember the DC-10s and other aircraft. But, with economies come corrections. It seems like we're headed back to pre-deregulation days where a few point cities are hubs. Now, hang on before you go off on me. I'm a novice, former Memphian. I believe Memphis will rise above this and do well in the future.

User currently offlineSquid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11715 times:

Connecting in MEM was a breeze. I always thought it was a very nice airport to go though. It was never too crowded, and had a few good BBQ places too. I also miss AA's BNA operation. Although ATL is logically a good hub airport, it is so big and crowded, I try to avoid it.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11627 times:

Quoting sampa737 (Reply 12):

I hate this for Memphis. And I'm tired of the whiners, who likely don't even fly. I remember as a kid, in the 70s, when Delta controlled all of concourse A with dozens of flights. Then, Delta pulled back when Republic was formed from the merger of Southern and North Central. Later, Northwest came in and for decades had a nice sized thriving hub. At one point, NWA increased flights, adding a 4th bank of flights. I remember the DC-10s and other aircraft. But, with economies come corrections. It seems like we're headed back to pre-deregulation days where a few point cities are hubs. Now, hang on before you go off on me. I'm a novice, former Memphian. I believe Memphis will rise above this and do well in the future.

I feel you 100% man. MEM is my childhood airport. I hate to see it in the shape it is now. I even remember seeing KL's DC-10s there. The last time I was at MEM, the AMS A330 flew over my head. I'm not and Airbus fan, but even seeing an Airbus widebody that wasn't Fedex fly into MEM made me feel good. I hope to see MEM rebound one day and become the hub it used to be.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11576 times:

Quoting xjramper (Reply 3):
There may be fanboys on here for MEM, but quite honestly MEM is RJ land. I would purposely avoid MEM as a connector as at least 50% of the time I would be on a CR2 both in and out of MEM.

I just wish DL would stop the slow bleed of both MEM and CVG and just re-name the airport type as focus city. That way there would be one round of whining and not several.

Death by a thousand paper cuts? I agree.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10278 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 5):

Why would DL fight back if WN shows up given Delta is cutting without WN being there. It doesn't make sense for DL to do an about face and fight WN.


BHM is a painful cut


User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10142 times:

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 7):
with ATL (9), CVG, DCA, IAH, ORD, CLT, IND, DTW, DFW, LGA, MSP, MSY, SLC and MCO at 3/each.

Please add AUS who still survives from this round of cuts.


User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9954 times:

My take...you can't build and maintain a good hub on connecting traffic alone. You have to have O&D. I recently tried to book ORD-MEM (90 minute flight) weeks in advance and was quoted $530. Sorta hard to have healthy local traffic if you price the locals out of the market.

One fella I know from around there got so tired of being shaken down by DL that he switched to using NetJets.


User currently offlineTheGov From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 415 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9715 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 5):
I wonder what will happen when WN comes to MEM

I wouldn't hold my breath about WN when it comes to MEM. I hate to be a naysayer, but I really do not expect anything out of WN. Everyone in MEM who hates DL was excited about the WN takeover of FL. All I have seen or read is more or less, "Just wait and see Delta. Southwest will eat your lunch!" with the latest hopes pinned to the November 19 announcement from WN about upcoming city and route changes and additions. Well, the 11/19 announcement came and went without any mention of MEM. MEM will be on the list next time, they say. Not so much, I say. While WN plays a good word game when it comes to MEM, they are just blowing smoke, as they say around here. If WN was really interested in doing anything with MEM, they would have done it early on in the merger with FL instead of making it their last move.

I, too, grew up with MEM as my home airport. I even worked for DL in MEM. I was there when DL operated a mini-hub in MEM and was there the day the hub operation of Republic began.

So, it is with the greatest of kindness and respect that I say the following: To the people of MEM and to the people who now run DL, please part ways! Delta - please move all your operations to ATL and quit dragging this thing out. You don't want MEM, you don't need MEM and you are only staying to keep those promises you made to the feds when you wanted the merger with NW to be approved. To the people of Memphis, let Delta go. Quit bashing them every time you turn around and get over your perceived self importance of the "international" airport. DL is in business to make money and they have shareholders and employees to answer to. The sooner you let them go, the more quickly the airport will reach its natural equilibrium. It may take a while, but it will happen. And when that happens, I firmly believe that the airport and the community will see better fares, better routes and more innovative air carriers serving the people of MEM.

[Edited 2012-11-25 19:29:35]


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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 779 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9697 times:

What is keeping DL from finally pulling the plug on MEM and CVG? Is it financial incentives? Politics?

Does SLC have a chance for a build up?


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10425 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9634 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 14):
I even remember seeing KL's DC-10s there.

At one time, in the '73-'74 timeframe, you would have seen DL DC-10s or L-1011s, there.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22995 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9557 times:

Quoting TheGov (Reply 19):
Everyone in MEM who hates DL was excited about the WN takeover of FL.

Why wouldn't they be excited about it? Whenever WN cuts it over to WN service, MEM will gain low fare service to a number of large local markets - likely at least BWI, MDW, DEN and HOU. Even if WN doesn't have more than 15 or 20 daily flights, there's still good news for local travelers in MEM.



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User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8782 times:

Quoting TheGov (Reply 19):
While WN plays a good word game when it comes to MEM, they are just blowing smoke, as they say around here.

I'm not sure what you were expecting...to have a WN station the size of BNA by now?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8772 times:

CVG apparently has hit the proverbial plateau of cuts. Nothing seems to be planned now, or later, but we still have no idea how long we can continue walking straight. MOST of the flights out of CVG these days, according to a gate agent, are overbooked. I was waiting for my flight to ATL-PHX and they actually had to forcibly bump 3 pax from a different flight. Those pax were refunded but something forced the gate agents to bump those 3 pax from that flight...


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25 TWA772LR : Just for the sake of being out-of-the-blue, can a 757 do MEM-AMS? Now that my random question has been said, what is the next passenger airline, after
26 PHX787 : It's well out of a 757's range, but if MEM was farther north and east, I'm sure this would be a fine a/c for this role. If a 757 was to do a CVG-CDG
27 m404 : How many of these cut cities, except LAX of course, areflown by regional aircfraft? Do the cuts have anything to do with DLs goal of dumping the CRJ20
28 Post contains links PITrules : On a related note: "Memphis International Airport officials on Thursday approved the airport's first long-term lease agreement that lets airlines surr
29 usdcaguy : Regarding CVG vs MEM, I wonder if the economy in CVG is stronger than that of MEM, thus explaining the larger size of the cuts in the latter. It's har
30 TheGov : No. I really don't expect anything more out of WN than a continuation of the 4 daily MEM-ATL flights that FL offers. If there are additional cities o
31 Cubsrule : . . . but still well lower than what DL wants to a place like Chicago. DL wants $1,100 for a day trip to Chicago tomorrow. WN wants $512 for a day tr
32 bhmdiversion : Pinnacle will keep this route to get an aircraft to AUS MX.
33 DTWPurserBoy : Boy did you get that right about the BBQ places! On trips into MEM the crew would decide which place to go to for either a sit down lunch/dinner or a
34 MasseyBrown : All the small hubs are/were good places. We'll miss them when they're gone.
35 BoeingGuy : I agree on this one. I flew SEA-DFW-ICT several times on AA for business in the early 2000s. One time my ICT-DFW flight was cancelled due to ice stor
36 slcdeltarumd11 : It will be sad to see the smaller city hubs be fazed out! The bright spot CLE really seems to be beating the "odds". Lets hope CLE can keep it going t
37 steex : You'd be delayed a very long time or need an additional stop - there is no non-stop service between STL and ICT today.
38 BoeingGuy : That was exactly my point. I'd be stuck in DFW if that happened again. I think you misunderstood my statement.
39 steex : Indeed I did. My apologies.
40 EXMEMWIDGET : I couldn't agree more. MEM has seen more than it's fare share of hubs, mini hubs and focus cities rise up and crash back down. I have been part of tw
41 enilria : They should never have agreed to this. What is the airport going to do with all that space? They should have forced DL to pay for it. Are they actual
42 Cubsrule : Shutter it, I expect. At this point, all carriers should be able to fit on Concourse B.
43 Post contains links enilria : That won't save much. Does this article mean that now rather than post article links as proof we can just link to our own post as proof... "according
44 michman : How exactly would they force DL to pay? If the airport attempted to force them into long-term leases, DL could respond by de-hubbing right away and r
45 Flighty : IIRC this thread is a factual summary of publicly known schedule changes. These days it can all be seen with online booking. There should not be any
46 AADC10 : DL and UA both have r/t fares for $212 on that route. It just depends on the day. If DL cannot get fares up to $530 at times, then they really do nee
47 Post contains images enilria : I didn't realize that MEM had not had a lease with Delta for 3 years. That should have been a pretty powerful hint to what was coming. It's just rare
48 slcdeltarumd11 : Yeah definintely. Delta is already stucking paying CVG a ton of money for gates it doesnt want. Since they are paying for those gates i think flying
49 enilria : I think we know a few things. There are more CRJs to go and at some point CVG will get hit again, but it appears pretty clear that MEM is worse than
50 airliner371 : Then you are probably in for a surprise. I do not expect more then 15 flights in fact I expect a maximum of 10-12 flights. But there will be much mor
51 PSU.DTW.SCE : Does this surprise anyone? No. Are the flights warrented based on MEM O&D? No. Can the incremental capacity lost on a route like MEM-TYS be absorb
52 Post contains images PHLBOS : Personal prediction: in 2 years time, CLE will likely be where where CVG and/or MEM are today in terms of an airline hub. And I will had 3 simple wor
53 izbtmnhd : People on a.nut have been predicting the demise of CLE for decades now with little success. Problem is, CLE, CVG and MEM all serve very different mar
54 PSU.DTW.SCE : Mergers have consequences - agreed. However, thinking that nothing would've happened and MEM would be peachy-keen had NW not merged with DL. The facts
55 N766UA : LOL dude, do you know how many times I heard that exact thing 2 years ago? And 2 years before that? Hack.
56 Sevensixtyseven : Fortunately, MEM will (hopefully) never be in a position like STL and CVG...with reductions, come more expenses for what remains...then the current ai
57 flyguy89 : Not quite, STL has been backfilled quite well by WN and has seen additions from AS and UA, not seeing the self-fulfilling prophecy there. Same for CV
58 greenair727 : Why? CLE is a bigger market than the two--if UA were to pull out, they'd only be losing money to a competitor. Its also one of the highest yield airp
59 michman : While everyone seems to agree that STL has landing fee issues, CVG seems to be pretty much middle of pack in that regard. CVG's PFC rate is also lowe
60 LoneStarMike : Isn't MEM one of the few major airports that doesn't charge a PFC at all? LoneStarMike
61 jfklganyc : They have? I just watched Trains, Plains, and Automobile yesterday. Watch the movie and take a look at Lambert Airport in the 80s. Then tell me if yo
62 michman : Yes, that's why I said "almost all". Of course, there may be some debate over whether MEM still qualifies as a "major" airport. There are a small han
63 Cubsrule : For local passengers, it has. No local passenger misses the flights to SGF, LAF and SPI, and local passengers don't need things like two carriers to
64 Post contains images enilria : How many flights from MEM are warranted based on the O&D? CLE is next. I think WN and fuel hold the key there. As long as they keep focused on CA
65 MasseyBrown : CAK's recent growth has not come totally at CLE's expense. It's getting a good bit of the growing Utica Shale gas/oil business. Chesapeake Energy's n
66 N766UA : If fuel increases too much, UA has a lot more to worry about than just Cleveland.
67 Post contains images enilria : The question was whether a split strategy helps UA and i think it clearly does. The are more hedged than most with a hub in IAH.
68 PHLBOS : Yes, but due to it relatively close proximity to ORD (a much larger UA hub); should push come to shove and one of the hubs has to be eliminated to re
69 Post contains links JohnJ : The Memphis Commercial Appeal newspaper has a "fact-checking" column whereby they investigate the truth of statements made by local politicians. Rep.
70 sdoyon : Sorry, but this article reeks of BS. Because DL said in 2008 they wouldn't cut AMS, now in 2012, when economic conditions are vastly different, they'
71 mayor : Makes you wonder if they complained about the cuts that FedEx has said it will make.
72 MasseyBrown : But your assertion was: And I'm saying they can make money in both places, keeping perhaps a larger presence in CAK.
73 flyguy89 : I'd say 100 daily WN flights in addition to the operations of all other carriers at the airport serves the city of St. Louis VERY well indeed. STL st
74 JohnJ : I'm sure Delta knew well in advance of the merger how much the MEM hub would contribute to the bottom line, and still continued to tout how well they
75 Post contains images mayor : Typical of most urban areas
76 Post contains links sdoyon : I think they had a better idea of MEM revenues in late-2008/2009 when fuel was much cheaper. Just because the hub made money then doesn't mean it doe
77 Post contains links JohnJ : It would take a lot of convincing to get me to believe Delta ever intended to keep the Memphis hub long term. And still they keep with the spin - from
78 LoneStarMike : MEM has now reported October traffic. YTD, MEM has had 5,876,845 passengers through Oct, compared to 5,151,260 for CVG. LoneStarMike
79 N766UA : What time around? The rumor was "when UA/CO merge, CLE will close." UA/CO merged 2 years ago, CLE stayed open. Then the rumor was "2 years after UA/C
80 Antoniemey : Every bump in CO's road for years was the signal to some that Cleveland was doomed. And yet, here we are... Cleveland is still a hub. Smaller than th
81 enilria : They'd make much more money if UA closed their hub and consolidating at CLE is probably more likely to make that happen. IMHO, WN does fairly poorly
82 Post contains links factsonly : Here is a neutral analysis of Delta's developments at MEM by Australian CAPA: http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-as-delta-culls-more-service-9001
83 MasseyBrown : Ok, I'll agree with that, but I doubt WN would actively attempt to "finish off" UA in CLE. The conquest would be too expensive for what they would ge
84 michman : Note that MEM and CVG were roughly equal in the month of October - 517,833 vs. 514,934. With the upcoming MEM cuts, CVG will no doubt overtake it in
85 Post contains images steeler83 : Wow... Under 100 daily departures for DL at MEM, and DL still calls that a hub? US was down to 110 daily departures at one point at PIT, and they call
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