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Why Hasn't The A319 Sold Well In The Middle East?  
User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1707 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

I just realised that the A319 has really done very well in the Middle East, yet when you look at Europe or America, there are lots of them in operation. Why aren't they popular in the Middle East?
All I can seem to find are a few with Qatar Airways and 4 with Royal Jordanian.
I know MEA ordered some but later converted them to A320 ..

What is the reason?


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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

Quoting raffik (Thread starter):
just realised that the A319 has really done very well in the Middle East

I meant, hasn't done very well!



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User currently offlineblueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2789 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Quoting raffik (Thread starter):
I just realised that the A319 has really done very well in the Middle East, yet when you look at Europe or America, there are lots of them in operation. Why aren't they popular in the Middle East?

Because they have less than 300 seats.  

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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Doesn't fit into the Middle East model. Many of the A319's are used on relatively short high frequency routes. It can be turned round quickly, particularly if the carrier doesn't offer full catering and doesn't carry huge numbers of bags.

Most Middle East routes appear to be longer, and passengers cart far more baggage with them.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Quoting raffik (Thread starter):
What is the reason?

Geography

The Middle East isn't made up of a lot of relatively short distance high density flights between major population centers.

The A319 is a great aircraft for heavily populated Europe and parts of the US. It is not the aircraft for much of the Middle East traffic routes.


User currently offlinemozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2152 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Bahrain Air has some as well, and so does Turkish Airlines

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21105 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 4):
The Middle East isn't made up of a lot of relatively short distance high density flights between major population centers.

Which the 320 is better suited for anyway. The 319 really shines on longer low-capacity routes, and for those the Middle East airlines like to use widebodies.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
Doesn't fit into the Middle East model. Many of the A319's are used on relatively short high frequency routes. It can be turned round quickly, particularly if the carrier doesn't offer full catering and doesn't carry huge numbers of bags.

Most Middle East routes appear to be longer, and passengers cart far more baggage with them.
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 4):
Geography

The Middle East isn't made up of a lot of relatively short distance high density flights between major population centers.

The A319 is a great aircraft for heavily populated Europe and parts of the US. It is not the aircraft for much of the Middle East traffic routes.

Saudia, Qatar, Etihad, Royal Jordanian, Egyptair, Turkish and the local low-costs... they all have narrow-body planes in abundance. The only one operating with wide-bodies only is Emirates.

There are a good number of short distance routes in the Gulf. Just to begin with, the flights connecting the major cities in the Gulf themselves (that usually have the highest number of frequencies for any of those carriers; just check the likes of DXB-KWI or DXB-DOH), domestic flights in Saudi Arabia (again, just check the high number of frequencies among their major urban centers), and flights to Iran, Iraq and even to West India from the Arabian Gulf (most of Iran from DXB is less than 2 hours); and from JED (a very important touristic spot due to religious pilgrimage), Egypt and Levant is less than 2 hours as well and even IST (which is already Europe) is less than 3 hours.

I can't see any shortage of short-haul routes in the Gulf.


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

The flights between the gulf states is small and you also need an aircraft with lots of seats. You find a lot of airlines do a lot of high frequency flying with larger aircraft.

I'm surprised to see Emirates operate 777-300s on 35min sectors and the A380 on a 90min sector. That's the scale of things.


User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 8):

JED-DXB is a 2h30'-3 hours sector, and to my knowledge, it is their shortest A380 route. Anyway Jeddah is a major tourist destination (Makkah) for some of the largest EK's markets (India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Gulf) and a fast growing city that had extremely restricted bilateral until recently in terms of frequencies... so an A380 makes a lot of sense.


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3322 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

The A319 is the wrong size for the A32x series as it stands today. It was much better decades ago when the A320 had lower performance and higher operating costs than today. Then it made plenty of sense to have a subfleet for all your thinner routes. Today the A320 is far more flexible and has lots more seats to pay its rather modest increase in trip costs. The 319's problem is largely in that its quite heavy for its size.

So anywhere you didn't have those thin routes the A319 never made sense, and now as we head into the NEO era expect to see the 319 die, abandoned by all those who once loved it.

Oh and pressure from below with the C series and other new "sub" A32x class planes has to hurt the 319 in future orders.


User currently offlinejetfixr757 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2006, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Folks, don't you get it, they can't even give away 319's, they are just not practical in any market.
Jet


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