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Future Of IAH.  
User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 469 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21288 times:

What will be the future of IAH. Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics? Will Delta move there gates to Terminal D after United leaves when Terminal B is expanded with FIS? Future airlines coming to Houston? United expanding Houston services?

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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21281 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics?

Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 962 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20989 times:

UA will surely expand service at IAH.


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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1618 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20882 times:

I'd guess you'll definitely see more upgauging of RJ flights to 70 seaters and right-sizing/downgauging between 737s and Airbii, and probably some more mix and match with the rest of mainline (some 757s might go 767, 767 go 777, 767 different variants, etc.). I'm not really sure how that really works out in the end, since upgauging RJs brings essentially 15-20 more seats plus F, but flights going from 737s to Airbii lose some F, etc.

User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20756 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.


User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1177 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20697 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Terminal D after United leaves

United isn't in D, is it?


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20652 times:

Expansion for T-D is far in the future from what I am hearing, but their are supposedly blue prints that suggest making T-D "L" shaped or creating an infield satellite terminal across from it. Gates changes are starting to present themselves as SQ has been seen as of a few weeks ago being moved from D-4 over to the UA RJ gate D-2. Not sure if that is temporary or permanent. I do think that if that is its new gate location the wingspan of 773 is overlapping space for gates D-1 & D-3, which prevents their usage while SQ is parked. TK begins March 2013 and an Asian carrier (ie: ANA, Asiana) is rumored to be targeted by IAH for possibly next summer.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4580 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20637 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 4):
Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.

I am totally confused!


User currently offlineryanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 20621 times:

This whole thread is confusing and I live in IAH!

User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20513 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 4):
Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.

And all this time I thought Miami was going to be the designated suburb of Rio, and might have used MIA for an alternate airport.     


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20384 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Delta move there gates to Terminal D after United leaves when Terminal B is expanded with FIS?

To my recollection, CO/UA moved out of D when E opened. The sterile corridors lead to the same FIS however. I doubt DL could get a usable number of gates at D in its current configuration.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2350 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20257 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

Houston is a great connecting point from the US to Brazil. I can't see them expanding the terminal and airfields for the Olympics, but I can see UA adding another GIG frequency and upgauging GRU during the Olympics.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Expansion for T-D is far in the future from what I am hearing, but their are supposedly blue prints that suggest making T-D "L" shaped or creating an infield satellite terminal across from it.

I've seen on the master plan that D is supposed to have two piers coming out of the existing building, which is supposedly part of the grand scheme to make IAH look like ATL in layout. However, I think a D satellite is a great idea. It would allieveiate D during the afternoon rush of the foreign carrier traffic and also create room for expansion for any airline (i.e. DL since they want to move over to D).

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Gates changes are starting to present themselves as SQ has been seen as of a few weeks ago being moved from D-4 over to the UA RJ gate D-2. Not sure if that is temporary or permanent.

I've seen the new J-line for D-2 and it includes 77W, I have no idea why they did that, can someone elaborate?

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Asian carrier (ie: ANA, Asiana)

Another NRT-IAH airline or UA frequency will do great! There are also a lot of passengers from Korea on the NRT flight so I can see Asiana working really well also.

If DL does make the move to D, who will get their gates in A? I suspect UA will and then tear down the temporary building that used to be where the Colgan Saab's parked. Also, does anyone know how the airline that flies to VCT with Piper Navajos is doing?

I think the master plan also states, among others, a 9R/27L, 8C/26C, perimeter taxiway, and the big enchilada, a huge "east terminal" which apparently is supposed to be located where all the UA MX and inflight infrastructure is located now.

For the user that asked if UA is or isn't in D, the UA Express flights from Mexico arrive into D and some UAX flights depart from D since the construction in B is going on. Also, some big UA flights arrive when E is jam-packed.

Does anyone know if IAH will see more UAX E-170s?

[Edited 2012-11-26 11:56:52]


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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20202 times:

According to this article they want to expand D before the Rio Olympics and world cup cause Houston has high traffic to and from Brazil. http://www.chron.com/business/articl...ion-at-Bush-airport-is-2078855.php
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20167 times:

Plus from 2 pm to 5 pm Terminal D is crowded with Flights from Klm Air France Lufthansa Emirates Qatar Singapore Aero Mexico and Taca and no more room. Sometimes Singapore goes to gate D2 cause D4 or D5 is occupied by KLM. Plus with the new Asian carrier coming after Turkish arrives they need to expand D. If y'all have been to Terminal D its dead and outdated there's not even a starbucks. Houston airport has a lot of potential can be used both as a Skyteam/ Star hub.

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20158 times:

I seen a few E-170 of UA at IAH Terminal B.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2350 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20157 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 12):
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.

Co-location is good and all, but connections just won't make sense. It'd only really work for Aeromexico because its almost 0 backtrack on Mexico-IAH-Europe vs Mexico-Europe. And since the TerminaLink train goes to all terminals and runs fast and often, so if you were to make a connection, it wouldn't be that hard anyways.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3699 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20150 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
TK begins March 2013

TK starts IAH on 01Apr13 and is now bookable.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 10):
To my recollection, CO/UA moved out of D when E opened.

Many consider the D1-D3 gates part of C since they are closer and they currently handle the RJ flights from Mexico because they are still connected to the hallway leading to the FIS building. I believe these were the gates DL was interested in, because there is no real space for DL to move during the European rush of flights with 7 of the 8 flights mostly occupied during that time frame. I am curious how much connecting traffic is seen among SkyTeam partners now because IAH is a mere spoke from the DL hubs.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Terminal B is expanded with FIS?

Can someone correct me, but I thought this part of B has been put on hold, indefinitely, during the whole WN debate. Current construction is still a go for B-North as part of Phase 1. However, phase 2, which includes the FIS, has been put on hold.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics?

As everyone mentioned, what does this have to do with IAH? Even if UA expanded ops to GIG and GRU, they would utilize E for departures and arrivals. If LATAM is interested in starting IAH-GIG and utilizes nighttime departures, there would be plenty of space at D since all the European flights except the last BA flight and the new TK flight would have departed. Yes there are masterplans to expand D, but there are plenty of ways to reshuffle the gates for one or two more new airlines, even with the LH A380 obstructing D11.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20145 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
There are also a lot of passengers from Korea on the NRT flight so I can see Asiana working really well also.

How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20133 times:

Well if you on a the Amsterdam flight with KLM and you flew in on Delta your next ticket says Delta and people go to Delta Check in and on Delta check in counter says Air France KLM Delta representing that there partners but, you can't check in your luggage there. I seen people even go to Delta Check in counter cause they see Air France and KLM written on there thinking that they don't have to go to Terminal D. The train runs slow here and there sometimes there some delay cause of maintenance.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2350 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20092 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.

I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3699 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20053 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 18):

Where on the signage at IAH are they directing DL passengers to D? I am trying to understand what you wrote. AF and KL passengers are directed to D check-in and E/FIS for arrival. Signs for DL flights are only to A. Unless the passenger does not read their ticket information, most airlines are pretty clear of terminal departures and arrivals and if it is a codeshare flight and where to check-in.



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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4014 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20045 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

Word of advice (and I learned the hard way on this forum), you better have the numbers and the facts to back up your comments and assertions. Trust me there are those here that will bury you with all sorts of figures, reports, ect..to counter your musings and hearsay.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20030 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

Well, the local market from Houston to Seoul is 39 passengers a day per direction. If a nonstop started, that number might jump to the 50 range.

An IAH-ICN flight is going to be heavily dependant on connections. What will make the difference would be how many people they can put on there destined for places like China, Singapore, and Malaysia. IAH-Vietnam/MNL traffic is large, but so awfully low yield that its not even worth trying for.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2350 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19961 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
Well, the local market from Houston to Seoul is 39 passengers a day per direction. If a nonstop started, that number might jump to the 50 range.

That's the local market, but as you said, connections would rule. But there has to be something there if there have been rumors of KE and Asiana have been rumored for service.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7759 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19908 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 23):
That's the local market, but as you said, connections would rule. But there has to be something there if there have been rumors of KE and Asiana have been rumored for service.

Exactly, but its connections to certain places that will rule. PVG, PEK, KUL, and SIN to be more exact.



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25 TWA772LR : Of course. Out of curiosity, where does one find these numbers? I have always wondered what source people use for these types of info. on a.net.
26 NW : DL/KL/AF operate as one carrier out of IAH, having seperate operations is not cost efficient and the customer confusion is horrible. Currently, if a
27 Tdan : On IAH-NRT, there are ~30-40 connections everyday going on to ICN from what I've seen. LAXdude1023 and I have had this conversation quite a bit, but
28 mah4546 : No, there aren't, because the local market isn't that big. Unless 100% of passengers are travelling on this one exact routing. That said, yes, I thin
29 Tdan : That's counting double connects which make up quite a bit of the ICN traffic on UA's IAH-NRT flight. Still, it's only an observation from multiple tr
30 cosyr : Do Delta passengers generally seek IAH for connections? Maybe it has been mentioned in some expansion plans somewhere, but since when has Delta had an
31 drerx7 : I've heard this rumor plenty of times. And yes they do use D regularly.
32 IAH59 : It makes sense for Delta to move to gates D1 - D4 so it can be together with its partners then also if they have passengers that need to go to Europe
33 IAH59 : Delta operates the most flights out of Us carriers other than United at IAH.
34 FlyingSicilian : I thought HAS used to report US Airways as #2 at IAH and then AA. The HAS numbers page is not loading for me at the moment, does anyone have them?
35 IAH59 : I just went on wikipedia saw Delta has more flights out of IAH than AA and US airways.
36 IAH59 : Your write right airways than AA has more passengers than Delta. Still make a good benefit for Delta though. I talk to a friend at United and he was t
37 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : The website is working for me now. Go to http://www.fly2houston.com/TrafficStats for october 2012 (latest available) it looks like USAirways beats all
38 IAH59 : Yup your right I checked as well. Still Delta can benefit alot from IAH.
39 TWA772LR : DL may have more flights, but all of US flights out of IAH are mainline. And there is a good amount of US flights into IAH to begin with. UA will not
40 aznmadsci : Chris Moran is really trying to stretch it. IAH can handle an increase in flights, especially to Brazil, and if done by UA. He should focus more on B
41 LAXdude1023 : Not going to happen. Period.
42 AVENSAB727 : Really? Why is that? I think the 737 will stay.[Edited 2012-11-27 12:18:38]
43 TWA772LR : The 737 will stay. However, there will be less since UA is moving aircraft around to maximize the aircrafts potential. I heard that UA wants to put t
44 IAH59 : Well because US airways uses the United club with Air Canada on the North Concourse. Not many One world members at IAH as many Sky and Star so wouldn'
45 IAH59 : There's also a new airline flying to IAH called Cal jet from Mazatlan. As well as rumors that SAS might operate to IAH from Oslo and New Zealand Airwa
46 AVENSAB727 : Don't forget that new Asian carrier!!
47 LAXdude1023 : Has something been announced?
48 AVENSAB727 : Mario Diaz gave us some clues during the A380 event.
49 TWA772LR : He's only said "Asian flag carrier." That could be anything, and Asia is a huge continent. So it could be anything from ElAl to Vietnam Airlines.
50 LAXdude1023 : Thats not an announcement. IAH can support one more Asian destination, that I have no doubt of. But how many times have we seen city officials go to
51 GEsubsea : If SAS does happen, my guess is this being serviced by something like a 737-700 all biz class config STV-IAH link possibly. Something like what KLM d
52 Post contains images fxramper : FX is doing 6x daily departures now at IAH and we are looking at 2x more next year. 1105 AFW A300 0920 BUR A300 1617 IND MD10 1351 LGB A300 0408 MEM M
53 shanderawx : Houston we are told locally has the largest Norwegian communiy in the nation - recent, educated. oil-associated employees largely, with their familie
54 GEsubsea : Yes, but how many Norwegian's actually live in Houston? SAS will have to run this flight profitably and the smallest a/c they have got presently are
55 LAXdude1023 : That honor actually goes to Minneapolis. According to the census the number is less than 2,000. IAH-Norway is a very high yield market, but the volum
56 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : No it actually doesn't. The Consul General of Norway said Houston has the largest pop of ex-pat Norwegian nationals outside of Scandinavia. There sho
57 GEsubsea : My point exactly...thus the only possible solution as far as SAS actually servicing this market would be the use of a BBJ Privatair type a/c that cat
58 kgaiflyer : Most flights to South America depart the Houston hub, yes?
59 GEsubsea : FlyingSicilian is correct according to wikipedia "Lasse Sigurd Seim, the consul general of the Norwegian Consulate General, Houston, described the es
60 IAH59 : Well on the A380 video Mario Diaz said a true Asian Flag carrier. Reason why United went ahead with DEN- NRT was to torturer Houston most likely.
61 AVENSAB727 : Nah, I heard the IAH-AKL flight was never going to launch due to some issues and because of the merger.
62 LAXdude1023 : Creative, theyre including people who are temporarily working in Houston in their number. On the subject of Norway, here are the largest markets from
63 IAH59 : Really I just thought it was dropped whenever they announced that Hobby was going to operate international flights. I wonder if Etihad has a shot in I
64 TWA772LR : Can a Gulf carrier or someone else do location X to Norway to IAH?
65 IAH59 : Thats a good Idea Abu Dhabi - Oslo - Houston or Bahrain - Oslo - Houston You also have to understand that alot of Asian/African travelers use Qatar a
66 TWA772LR : BGK-Oslo-IAH on TG would be a gold mine. Oil AND Tourism would fill this flight. It would be awesome to see a TG plane in IAH!
67 IAH59 : Or to Malaysia as well connecting 3 energy capitols like SQ or to Brunei.
68 Post contains images FlyingSicilian : BA already carries a fair amount of of the non-corporate flight ops Houston-Norway traffic already. You make it sound like they go to Houston for a m
69 IAH59 : Hopefully Terminal D gets a good modern expansion with latest technology.
70 huxrules : How about a IAH to ABZ flight? I surprised that this hasn't happened yet.
71 Post contains links IAH59 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Ekvn-bglc - Houston Master plan Video.
72 gigneil : US companies do not torture things, unless they make cosmetics, diamond jewelry, or footwear. They launched DEN-NRT because there was a solid busines
73 IAH59 : Apparently Emirates has offered IAH to build a 10,000 sq feet lounage in Terminal D.
74 IAH59 : If a international carrier wanted to fly to Houston between noon and 6pm they couldn't offer it due to lack of space.
75 FlyingSicilian : There were some vague Internet rumours and one announcement from a charter IIRC or something but it never happened. This is another route BA makes go
76 GEsubsea : Realistically, I think all D needs right now is more room for pax especially toward the LH A388 T-D12 side. If all they did was a basic add-on for mo
77 Post contains images GEsubsea : Have to be along the lines of a Houston Express option like the one presently operated by Atlas between IAH - Luanda and even then that is a 744, whi
78 GEsubsea : meant Baku as ABZ-IST-IAH
79 IAH59 : Probably also a good route for TK is Central Asia Via IST to IAH. Terminal D is very outdated according to the Youtube link I posted and alot of Airli
80 LAXdude1023 : On the contrary, such a flight would be a massive failure. IAH-BKK is not only not a large market, but its also low yield (as is every other US City
81 GEsubsea : Hmmm...ok good point on more duty free options, BUT IF they knew where to go in Houston to get even better stuff at prices that rival or even BETTER
82 GEsubsea : At 8,200 nautical a BBJ might be able to make this happen, but I still think TK linking through IST is the more plausible scenario.....
83 LAXdude1023 : ABZ is Aberdeen, Scotland. Are you thinking of Baku, Azerbaijan? IAH-ABZ is a 44 passenger a day market with very high yields. This would be much mor
84 FlyingSicilian : You are correct sir
85 Post contains images GEsubsea : I was ...thanks for clearing up the city in question ...
86 Tdan : You sure about that? In 2011 it was over 20 PDEW with half of it being business class traffic. KL carries a bunch of these guys. That's the issue wit
87 LAXdude1023 : Your right. It was 20 PDEW. I looked IAH-TRD twice. I double checked the rest and they are correct. Your point about IAH-Norway being scattered acros
88 Tdan : nvm, data was fixed. delete post[Edited 2012-11-28 09:40:07]
89 IAH59 : Well Emirates came to HAS saying that they want there own lounage of 10,000 sq ft and they will pay for it so far nothing has happened. So far Housto
90 IAH59 : Houston has to act fast with Terminal D expansion hopefully the expansion will start beginning of next year as they plan. Because there competitor air
91 TWA772LR : I'm all for D being renovated/expanded and all, I even think there should be a satellite terminal for it. But where would EK put this 10,000 sqft lou
92 Post contains links IAH59 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Ekvn-bglc - Youtube video of the conference of IAH expansion and Hobby. The airlines are telling Houston that they ar
93 IAH59 : There going to make a pier at Terminal D by gates D5 and D4.
94 IAH59 : They are also talking to the owners of the Marriott about renovating it because its very outdated.
95 GEsubsea : While we ALL can agree IAH T-D needs to be upgraded or replaced, the fact of the matter (based on the video provided by IAH59) is that HAS does NOT h
96 aznmadsci : ACC could be possible, depending on how LOS does for UA. But didn't DL cancel ATL-ACC? As for LAD, would the Angolan government allow UA or another A
97 TWA772LR : Can D be expanded anymore to the east? That seems like a logical thing to do, even if it is a short ways, it could add 2 more narrow body gates and on
98 aznmadsci : I think taking over the area in between D9-D10, they can add the "L" pier to it and add another A380 capable gate. I do wonder if D4/D4A and D5 could
99 Tdan : Any D renovation is going to be a mirror image of terminal E as this is part of the 2030-2040 master plan. I think we're still a few years away, but t
100 TWA772LR : I've heard this too. I wonder if it is the next gate area to be renovated. Maybe that's why SQ is at D2? When are the higher MTOW A380s supposed to b
101 Tdan : Sure you can! Haven't you seen the 764 at E2? Basically you can fit widebodies throughout terminal E, they just will block some gates. UA could theor
102 TWA772LR : I have seen that. And blocked up space means less room to send planes, and that means less money being made. But when those 777s and 767s are all lin
103 IAH59 : Its a nice sight seeing United heavies parked at E all at once. They should move the Taca and Aero Mexico flights down to gates D1 - D3 so you can fit
104 FlyingSicilian : D-1 through 3 are basically C gates. Do they have links to the FIS at D? I often see UA (formerly COEX) jets there on occasion
105 IAH59 : Later down the road they will build a Terminal F at IAH and move the maintenance area to the other side of the airport by Terminal A. IAH will look li
106 TWA772LR : Yes they do. I have made the half mile walk from the UA kiosk in FIS to D1/2/3 many times! Where did you get this info? Do you have a link?
107 IAH59 : I just looked at the Youtube video blue print i looked at. Well they have to build another A380 gate incase and airliner wants to fly to IAH or up gau
108 Post contains links IAH59 : http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3920506/0/83280D83283/ Houston added electric plugs in between the seats at Terminal D.
109 Post contains links aznmadsci : IAH Master Plan: http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3526125/0/82841D83214D83219/ Yes, the proposed Master Plan for IAH is to resemble DEN and ATL with the
110 IAH59 : Hopefully the Terminal B phase 1 is done by 1st quarter of 2013 so they can get started on Terminal D.
111 GEsubsea : Not to sound pessimistic, but the Master Plan dates back to 2006 and here we are 6 yrs later in which HAS is struggling to get D off the ground. You
112 IAH59 : So does anyone know when IAH or the City of Houston or Houston Airport Systems have there meetings? like for improvements or stuff like that?
113 FlyingSicilian : I believe in the linked briefing he says the old master plan has been trashed and was based on outdated domestic growth numbers.
114 TWA772LR : Any word on what would become of the DL gates in terminal A if/when they move? I hope they don't make IAH look like ATL or DEN. DTW's layout looks ef
115 IAH59 : I wonder if Malaysian Airline thought of flying to Houston competing with Singapore.
116 aznmadsci : MH is not even daily to LAX. Also with SQ back to daily, there are plenty of options to funnel KUL traffic through SIN.
117 TWA772LR : Or NRT on NH then IAH on UA.
118 slider : In a word, no. D12 is the A380 gate, there is a VSR just beyond that and then active taxiway. There is no room for an incremental gate at all. As has
119 triley1057 : I really would like to see UA expand more in Latin America. What are the chances that GYE gets restarted? Also, I would like to see United to more cit
120 IAH59 : They should restart Santiago I know DL flies there. Also be focus on expanding into Asia like Seoul Beijing Shanghai. Hopefully 2013 is a good year fo
121 GEsubsea : Don't count on a 3rd BA....presently its a 772 & 744 respectively. If they do anything it will be a an upguage of the 4pm 772 service to 744 (to
122 IAH59 : Well since they have 1 A380 service I'm sure there rethinking to build another A380 capable gate for future services. Well They should make 6 o clock
123 GEsubsea : Anyone know the load factors for the 2x daily BA's? BA has been the only foreign carrier that has been able to consistently keep 2 flights per day op
124 IAH59 : What happen to the 2nd and 3rd KLM daily at IAH? why did they drop? why did AF end theres? Well UA has a 3 45 and 6 pm flight to LHR BA has a 4 pm and
125 GEsubsea : This was a morning arrival and departure... I do briefly recall the 2nd KLM (an evening departure) which was also an A332 (didn't last long at all)..
126 FlyingSicilian : Continental (and then UA) were/are members of Star and don't need KL/AF feed. When CO was still in Skyteam there was feed on both ends for more seats
127 TWA772LR : I don't there recall there ever being 3 KL flights to IAH. I know the Privet flight was replaced with the A330 because the A330 has more J seats. And
128 Post contains images Schweigend : True, so far as I know. The first KL IAH-AMS departure (late afternoon) has been a 74M ever since I can remember, and they used to run a second fligh
129 IAH59 : According to Houston Airport System they are talking to Vietnam Airlines Korean Air Asiana Air China Eva Air and China airlines. Must explain why they
130 aznmadsci : They are always in discussion with other airlines to generate new service to IAH. Also, do you know how to use commas?
131 Post contains images point2point : I believe that AM currently has 3 E190 flights per day MEX-IAH. Does this count as more flights by a foreign carrier at IAH?
132 thomasphoto60 : Let's not forget AC, I seem to recall several flights a day to YYZ, YYC and YUL by our Canadian friends.
133 Post contains images GEsubsea : So, let's clarify shall we? BA is currently the only wide body (non-latin american) carrier that has been able to consistently keep 2 flights per day
134 LAXdude1023 : Waste of time. If VN cant get a flight to LAX going (a local market 4 times the size of IAH-Vietnam and higher yields), IAH would never work. Its not
135 TWA772LR : I'd love to see any Russian airline, preferably SU, to fly to IAH. I'd more-so love to see LOT and Aer Lingus. But out of those three, I think only LO
136 IAH59 : IAH is most expensive airport in America. I think Aeroflot would make more money than LOT. Why do you sugguest that LOT or Aer Lingus should fly to IA
137 Post contains images TWA772LR : It'd be nice to see more tails in the line-up in D. Also I'm of Polish and Irish decent so seeing my ancestral countries flag carriers at my home air
138 IAH59 : Yeah be nice seeing more Asian carriers and also airlines like Air India and Pakistan International even though I would take any other airline to Paki
139 IAH59 : Yeah be nice seeing more Asian carriers and also airlines like Air India and Pakistan International even though I would take any other airline to Paki
140 shanderawx : PIA did serve IAH a few years ago and had an office here on Kirby Street. The airline offered exotic tours to several mountainous areas. The airline f
141 FreshSide3 : I can just see all those people who work in Stavanger Norway come more often. If you know about the SAS employees at SVG, they probably use their pas
142 IAH59 : It was because of the requirements. Yes I knew they flew to Houston I still wish they did but, me personally I would take Qatar or Emirates back home
143 FreshSide3 : I was under the impression that SEA was the most expensive airport, and LGA second.... Personally, I think SFO needs it more than IAH does. SU used t
144 IAH59 : AeroFlot at IAH would be nice 4 to 5 times weekly then customer can connect with Aero Mexico going down south or with Delta traveling around America.
145 TWA772LR : If SU were to fly to IAH, I think like 90% of it would be oil traffic. If they were looking to connect on DL, then flying to ATL would cover that.
146 IAH59 : Yes it would be better to fly to Atlanta but, IAH has business with Moscow as well just saying in general it would be great from there on they can con
147 GEsubsea : Hmmmm...I can see your enthusiasm for AeroFlot as a fresh carrier that would look great on the T-D flightline, BUT I don't see this working well in t
148 LAXdude1023 : SU isnt going to show up at IAH. No way on earth is there room for two carriers on IAH-MOW. There is barely room for one.
149 IAH59 : But I can totally see IAH being a great skyteam/ Star Hub. A lot of potential in IAH and Houston as a city. Why doesn't Air Canada fly there Airbus to
150 thomasphoto60 : Well.......probably the same reasons that Avianca, TAM, LAN and others don't, mediocre sized market dominated by a mega-carrier leaving little or no
151 GEsubsea : I second that!!! Ditto on this as well...Atlas service is in fact known as the "Houston Express" and is served by a 744 a few times a week and it alo
152 Post contains links 102IAHexpress : What was a town on the bayou is now a dynamic global city in less than a hundred years. Pretty amazing. For those who like interactive charts, check
153 IAH59 : Reason why I see Saudi doing great in Houston is one it will catch all alot of Energy sector business as well as catching the middle eastern and south
154 LAXdude1023 : What tourism? Texas gets almost no international tourism. Its business place.[Edited 2012-12-04 07:38:44]
155 aznmadsci : Which companies are these? Where will their offices be located? Please give evidence. Touisum? What touisum? And how do you know they will do great?
156 thomasphoto60 : And if he is referring to Texans traveling to the Persian Gulf for pleasure, seriously......? With all due respect to my fellow Texans it has been my
157 Post contains links GEsubsea : I think he is referring to the Mayor's trip earlier this year in which Saudi Aramco committed to bringing 100 jobs to the Houston area by way of a a
158 Post contains links GEsubsea : Further to my response above, I found another Mideast article providing a further summary on what the Trade Commission was about to embark upon prior
159 Post contains images aznmadsci : Abu Dhabi is a sister-city to Houston, but not the headquarters of QR. I would wager the headquarters of QR is in Doha.
160 Post contains images TWA772LR : Germans and other European cultures have been coming to Texas since the 1800s! The evidence is in the names of cities like Fredericksburg, New Braunf
161 Post contains images TWA772LR : I think he meant Etihad.
162 LAXdude1023 : Fair enough, but those arent German tourists coming to the state today. What you are refering to was the portion of South and Central Texas that was
163 IAH59 : I was referring tourism as in Houston is diverse area a lot of Africans and Asians take Emirates and Qatar to get back to there homeland to visit ther
164 IAH59 : People in those countries come to Houston to visit there families. So that's what I am saying hopefully when Terminal D expansion start will here abou
165 LAXdude1023 : What you dont seem to understand is that there is zero money in that type of travel. Thats why PIA couldnt make IAH work, thats why VN cant make anyw
166 FreshSide3 : UAL did have extra flights in the 2008 Olympics out of JFK and LAX to PEK....but that was only because NBC chartered them.
167 thomasphoto60 : You're beating a dead horse with this guy, let him have his fantasies.
168 Post contains links IAH59 : http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/b...s-terminal-d-modernization-is.html News on the Terminal D expansion just came out an hour ago.
169 TWA772LR : About F#$%ING time!!!
170 Post contains images IAH59 : Yeah only if they could start early 2013 than late 2013 and be done by early 2015 not 2016 . Oh well once they start it will be lovely hearing the new
171 Post contains links aznmadsci : Hey B! Have any data for IAH-LOS/ACC/LAD? I'm surprised you didn't see this. You're a bit slow: http://www.click2houston.com/news/Bi...78/17615296/-/
172 IAH59 : Didn't even know about the new manager. Maybe He will stop Diaz turning the airport from looking like ATL.
173 LAXdude1023 : I sure do and Ill go one better. Ill give you the top 6 destinations from IAH in Africa. Once you see the data, youll know what I was referring to: I
174 aznmadsci : I guess I had that notion that IAH-ACC would have been a bit higher than it is knowing a few do the route every so often for work. I'm also a bit int
175 LAXdude1023 : The Arab spring sent traffic to CAI and Tripoli off a cliff. That said, there wasnt much traffic from IAH to either. As for ACC, its heavily centered
176 shanderawx : But build it and they will come. Like freeways in Southern California, just setting up routes can generate demand.
177 FlyingSicilian : Numbers have been lower lately. Also, much like Texas (and USA in general) traffic to Southern Italy, many people taking the Houston -Cairo route bre
178 aznmadsci : Yes, I did forget how traffic drastically dropped for countries affected by the Arab spring.
179 LAXdude1023 : BS. You aren't going to get enough demand to stimulate another market from IAH to Africa. LOS is the only one that can support commercial service. Wha
180 Post contains links shanderawx : For the present and near future, of course. But Houston has consulates of 10 African countries (mostly honorary, only Egypt and Senegal have regular
181 FlyingSicilian : This is incorrect. Not just Egypt and Senegal... Equatorial Guinea has a Consulate General in Houston as does Angola. Edit: I wouldn't trust your lin
182 LAXdude1023 : To the first part, I dont buy that consulates create traffic or immigration. If they did, places like DFW, Atlanta, and Detroit would have little to
183 FreshSide3 : Many consulate locations were chosen for accessability. Up until Katrina hit, the Greek consulate was in New Orleans, to cover the southern states...
184 slider : Please substantiate. Yeah, it's pretty exciting. I just hope TOO much growth isn't a bad thing. Need people who will assimilate to what it means to b
185 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : Not to digress again on the consulates but Greece has a full consulate in Houston and Atlanta, and a full consulate general Tampa and has for some ti
186 LAXdude1023 : Yet none of those cities have any meaningful O&D to Greece.
187 FlyingSicilian : And I never said they did, Much like IAH59s incorrect statement on African consulates in Houston I was just correcting the record on their locations.
188 LAXdude1023 : From a yields perspective, youre absolutely right. ATH's yields are in the toilet and show no sign of coming out soon. I doubt anyone could make much
189 IAH59 : I don't think i started the topic about the consulates.
190 FreshSide3 : I was under the impression that IAH/ATL effectively replaced the MSY consulate post-Katrina. But I guess I was wrong. Yes, let's get back on topic...
191 FlyingSicilian : Actually it was brought up, albeit incorrectly referenced at first, in relation to the topic. True, UA's on-again, off-again ATH flight seems to be a
192 LAXdude1023 : Realistic in the next three years, I can see some of the following: -One new city in Asia. It will be either ICN on UA or OZ or PEK on UA or AC -SCL
193 Tdan : Good, practical list LAXdude1023. My comments: It'll be ICN to Asia. Without US visa waiver, IAHPEK will not work due to the lack of flow points beyo
194 AVENSAB727 : I don't think UA is mad at IAH at all. They are just getting the merger finished out.
195 shanderawx : Considering the state of airline economics inlcuding number of bankruptcies, perhaps misunderstanding is a compliment.
196 Post contains links IAH59 : http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3920619/0/83280/ Spirit Airline will start non stop operation to Orlando,Fl on 2/14/2013. So Dallas, Las Vegas, and, Chic
197 IAH59 : Work on Phase IIA in Terminal D is due to commence on schedule in December at the Departure Level, then the Sterile Corridor and Boarding Piers. Work
198 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : Last night I would have agreed, however today after reading this: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-12/06/c_132023475.htm Im not sure I do
199 FlyingSicilian : Agreed, IAH China makes more sense at the moment.
200 IAH59 : Well China is one of IAH biggest trade partners according to the power point on there website.
201 IAH59 : 72 hour free visa wow that's nice do you need a visa for Seoul?
202 LAXdude1023 : No visa is need there for US citizens.
203 IAH59 : Well on Fly2houston.com they said in 2012 they want to talk to Taiwan, South, and, China about future flight operations. Makes sense to go with Beijin
204 LAXdude1023 : Based on the flight data, IAH can support one more Asian destination (in addition to Tokyo and Singapore) but not more than that in the near future.
205 IAH59 : Yes because at the moment there's no direct flight from Texas to China but, there is from Texas to Korea so makes sense. If you have 2 cities flying t
206 IAH59 : Well 2013 good year for IAH with the Phase 1 Terminal B opening up, Turkish Airline operating direct flights, Spirit Airlines adding a new destination
207 Post contains links IAH59 : Houston is down 1 percent but, cargo doing well. http://centreforaviation.com/news/ho...-1-cargo-stable-in-oct-2012-189031
208 TWA772LR : When is this new Asian carrier supposed to be announced? I'm calling ANA or Air China. My next choice would be Asiana, but given the IAH-Korea numbers
209 IAH59 : Well they said the new Asian Carrier will be announced after Turkish Airline arrives. They also said its going to be a flag carrier. On IAH powerpoint
210 TWA772LR : Do you count ANA, Asiana, and Eva to be flag carriers? To be frank, I don't think HAS knows what the term flag carrier means. Unless they talked Korea
211 Post contains links IAH59 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnnCmsmZKeo - Well the Asian Tv station that asked Diaz the question about the Asian airline coming to Houston the lang
212 IAH59 : They said there flag will represented on the plane so I'm assuming a real flag carrier.
213 GEsubsea : So, after reading everyone's posts I would throw my weight heavily in favor for IAH-PEK on this one. My rationale behind this would be two fold: a.)
214 LAXdude1023 : It all depends on the connections they are going after. At the end of the day we dont know whats real and what isnt. Youre putting to much weight beh
215 IAH59 : The reason why I thought it could be a Vietnamese carrier because the reporter that asked Diaz about the Asian carrier was from a Vietnamese TV networ
216 IAH59 : If you type in Sq62 on google it shows that arrives at Houston Terminal E???
217 IAH59 : Doesn't Singapore arrive in Terminal D.
218 aznmadsci : SQ planes are docked at D as use D for departures. All international arrivals are all processed at E/IAB. Once passengers complete US CBP in the IAB
219 IAH59 : I knew that I just would think it would say Terminal D.
220 aznmadsci : You thought wrong.
221 IAH59 : Anybody knows if Menzies Aviation will do Turkish Airline ground handling?
222 TWA772LR : I don't see why CO didn't/UA doesn't contract with the airlines and just have CO/UA rampers work the planes under the wing just to make a couple extr
223 hohd : TK flying from IAH is going to have an impact on EK and QR and to a lesser extent AF, LH, KL, especially being a star alliance carrier. Right now TK's
224 GEsubsea : Yes, but I myself will continue utilizing LH's product line (preference to the A380 and FRA) as most of my travel will be withing C. Europe. TK would
225 IAH59 : The prices for TK will go up though as soon as they start may be couple hundreds cheaper than Qatar and Emirates.
226 IAH59 : Reason why I asked about the ground handling services cause I know Singapore, Air France, Taca, Emirates, Qatar Airways, and, I think British Airways
227 TWA772LR : Huntleigh does LH. And I think AM is by Mensies.
228 IAH59 : Lufthansa and Aero Mexico is by Servis Air.
229 TWA772LR : I guarantee you LH is Huntleigh. Next time you are in D, go to D-12 and see if one of the Huntleigh catering trucks is there. It will say "Servicing
230 Post contains links GEsubsea : Huntleigh USA is in fact referred to as a screening company commonly also known as ICTS. They are known for providing security services to airlines a
231 IAH59 : I guess I was told wrong.
232 IAH59 : Anyone know the date for the first 787 international flight?
233 jumpjets : I think you just missed it! The first international 787 flight from IAH landed in AMS on Wednesday morning. There is a separate thread on this - it s
234 Post contains links GEsubsea : So, based on this new Chronicle article that came out this past Monday the 10th it looks like T-D is indeed being planned for an upgrade from 1 - A380
235 TWA772LR : Doesn't scheduled intl. 787 service start in January? I think it's going to be IAH-AMS. My money for next A380 service is on EK, second would be BA (i
236 aznmadsci : I wonder if this means the current D1-D11 gates since they revamped D12 to handle the A380, which blocks the use of D11. Or would they revamp D4-D12
237 Post contains images IAH59 : Finally more news but, everytime they come out with news about Terminal D its the same really . They need to start work now.
238 IAH59 : The other day I saw Air France at gate D4 right next to KLM 747 at gate D5. Usually Air France is at gate D7 anybody knows why they moved down?
239 IAH59 : If you look at IAH on google maps at gate E4 and E7 you see 2 jetways attached to a United 777. Could they accommodate a United 747 at those gates?
240 IAHWorldflyer : The upgrading of Terminal D to include an upper level for airline clubs, and more retail on the gate level is very welcome news. Some new carpet would
241 IAH59 : Well if British Airways decides to put a 3rd flight to IAH what time would they fly around cause they have a flight at late 4pm and late 8 pm?
242 IAH59 : Will Viva Aerbus withdraw from IAH as soon as Hobby international terminal will open up? I hope not.
243 GEsubsea : Why not? It would be better positioned at Hobby to feed with SWA and its budget minded traffic.
244 Post contains images IAH59 : More options from IAH .
245 aznmadsci : I don't know about VB or how VB is doing at IAH, but WN partners with Y4 and wonders what happens with the partnership once WN starts international s
246 Post contains images IAH59 : I hate this Hobby expansion screwing everything up
247 TWA772LR : It was bound to happen. And competition is a good thing. All the drama of what airlines will say and do in situations like these should be turned int
248 IAH59 : Yes they should but, hopefully no one will drop IAH for HOU.
249 Post contains links GEsubsea : Interesting tidbit regarding the upcoming holiday travel season.... "As defined by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, the winter holiday starts
250 GEsubsea : Not understanding why VB needs to remain at IAH....what value do they add? They are a foreign, non-legacy discount carrier like Spirit correct? Other
251 IAH59 : I guess your right but, I just don't want HOU take IAH opportunities away. Or UA to cut down even more from IAH.With Frontier, Spirit, and, Viva Aerob
252 AVENSAB727 : UA won't cut down more at IAH.
253 thomasphoto60 : I am going to hold you to this.
254 Post contains images GEsubsea : I guess I don't know what opportunities HOU is taking from IAH if in fact all 3 carriers you are referencing moved to HOU. IAH and HOU are virtually
255 IAH59 : Me 2 I am going to hold you for this lol.
256 Antoniemey : Which, as I understand it, CO paid or helped to pay for most of.
257 TWA772LR : Where were the FIS and Customs facilities at IAH located before D was built?
258 thomasphoto60 : B and C.
259 Post contains images TWA772LR : Not to sound nit-picky, but where at in the terminal exactly? I've just always wanted to know this
260 shanderawx : I remember flying GUA-IAH in 1960 and I believe adjacent to the luggage on the bottom floor.
261 Post contains links and images thomasphoto60 : Well I can't say for C but for B, the 2 north side pods were the int'l gates from the late 60s until the early 90s when D (IAB as it was called then)
262 IAH59 : Today KLM was departing out of D2 usually it departs out of D5. Instead Singapore departed out of D5 usually it depats from D2 or D4.
263 Post contains links IAH59 : Delta will be flying there new CRJ-900s to IAH. http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-to-operate-deltas-40-new-crj-900s IAH with most on time rating
264 IAH59 : American Airlines will start flights from IAH TO New York JFK on April 2, 2013.
265 legacyins : Looks like IAH is getting a new Asian Carrier. Air China (CA) will start service next July on a 4 weekly service using their new 77W. Proposed schedul
266 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : I knew it! I've been saying it all along that China is the right choice for IAH as opposed to Korea. This route will no doubt be successful! Feeling
267 AVENSAB727 : Agreed!!!
268 DalDC9Bos : Vietnam Airlines would do very well in Houston I am assuming given the largest group of Vietnamese living in Houston after Los Angeles. As part of Sky
269 STT757 : Hopefully this will lead to UA re-launching IAH-JFK.
270 IAH59 : Any links leading to a article about Air China coming to Houston.
271 aznmadsci : Check out airlineroute.com. Sometimes the mods erase posts with an airlineroute.com link. As others have said they can fill the plane with all the VF
272 IAH59 : So anyone knows what days Air China will be flying? It will be nice to see the whole Terminal D line up at IAH together. Leaving at 1:30 is so early o
273 LAXdude1023 : Air Pacific isn't coming. They did a charter to IAH. It's a one time thing.
274 IAH59 : Oh okay anyone know what days Air China will operate on?
275 Post contains images TWA772LR : I called it! CA is coming to town! As for the Air Pacific, apparently that was a charter. Now lets start the next round of IAH speculation... JHB on S
276 IAH59 : I went on Air China website and tried to see if the bookings are a available but, there not only showing flights from IAH via LAX to PEK.
277 FlyingSicilian : It is bookable on kayak- flights 995 and 996, roughly $2000 for the roundtrip in July
278 FlyingSicilian : double sorry delte second[Edited 2012-12-22 21:49:55]
279 IAH59 : If you go to fly2houston.com they don't even have it announced yet about Air China.
280 AVENSAB727 : They will be back. It was just announced today on airlineroute.net.
281 FlyingSicilian : On the Saturday before Christmas? I doubt anyone is in the press office...
282 IAH59 : So no official article about Air China plans to IAH...
283 Post contains links aznmadsci : Did you not check airlineroute.com? Also did you not click on Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!? You can find the schedules for the 4/week flight
284 Post contains links iowaman : Please continue the discussion on thread #2 as this one is getting quite lengthy for our slow internet/mobile phone users. Any posts after this one wi
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