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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 21129 times:

What will be the future of IAH. Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics? Will Delta move there gates to Terminal D after United leaves when Terminal B is expanded with FIS? Future airlines coming to Houston? United expanding Houston services?

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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 21122 times:
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Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics?

Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?


User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20830 times:

UA will surely expand service at IAH.


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User currently onlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1555 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20723 times:

I'd guess you'll definitely see more upgauging of RJ flights to 70 seaters and right-sizing/downgauging between 737s and Airbii, and probably some more mix and match with the rest of mainline (some 757s might go 767, 767 go 777, 767 different variants, etc.). I'm not really sure how that really works out in the end, since upgauging RJs brings essentially 15-20 more seats plus F, but flights going from 737s to Airbii lose some F, etc.

User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20597 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.


User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20538 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Terminal D after United leaves

United isn't in D, is it?


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20493 times:

Expansion for T-D is far in the future from what I am hearing, but their are supposedly blue prints that suggest making T-D "L" shaped or creating an infield satellite terminal across from it. Gates changes are starting to present themselves as SQ has been seen as of a few weeks ago being moved from D-4 over to the UA RJ gate D-2. Not sure if that is temporary or permanent. I do think that if that is its new gate location the wingspan of 773 is overlapping space for gates D-1 & D-3, which prevents their usage while SQ is parked. TK begins March 2013 and an Asian carrier (ie: ANA, Asiana) is rumored to be targeted by IAH for possibly next summer.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4449 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20478 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 4):
Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.

I am totally confused!


User currently offlineryanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 20462 times:

This whole thread is confusing and I live in IAH!

User currently offlinerampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3127 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20354 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 4):
Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airprt capacity.

And all this time I thought Miami was going to be the designated suburb of Rio, and might have used MIA for an alternate airport.     


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20225 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Delta move there gates to Terminal D after United leaves when Terminal B is expanded with FIS?

To my recollection, CO/UA moved out of D when E opened. The sterile corridors lead to the same FIS however. I doubt DL could get a usable number of gates at D in its current configuration.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20098 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

Houston is a great connecting point from the US to Brazil. I can't see them expanding the terminal and airfields for the Olympics, but I can see UA adding another GIG frequency and upgauging GRU during the Olympics.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Expansion for T-D is far in the future from what I am hearing, but their are supposedly blue prints that suggest making T-D "L" shaped or creating an infield satellite terminal across from it.

I've seen on the master plan that D is supposed to have two piers coming out of the existing building, which is supposedly part of the grand scheme to make IAH look like ATL in layout. However, I think a D satellite is a great idea. It would allieveiate D during the afternoon rush of the foreign carrier traffic and also create room for expansion for any airline (i.e. DL since they want to move over to D).

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Gates changes are starting to present themselves as SQ has been seen as of a few weeks ago being moved from D-4 over to the UA RJ gate D-2. Not sure if that is temporary or permanent.

I've seen the new J-line for D-2 and it includes 77W, I have no idea why they did that, can someone elaborate?

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
Asian carrier (ie: ANA, Asiana)

Another NRT-IAH airline or UA frequency will do great! There are also a lot of passengers from Korea on the NRT flight so I can see Asiana working really well also.

If DL does make the move to D, who will get their gates in A? I suspect UA will and then tear down the temporary building that used to be where the Colgan Saab's parked. Also, does anyone know how the airline that flies to VCT with Piper Navajos is doing?

I think the master plan also states, among others, a 9R/27L, 8C/26C, perimeter taxiway, and the big enchilada, a huge "east terminal" which apparently is supposed to be located where all the UA MX and inflight infrastructure is located now.

For the user that asked if UA is or isn't in D, the UA Express flights from Mexico arrive into D and some UAX flights depart from D since the construction in B is going on. Also, some big UA flights arrive when E is jam-packed.

Does anyone know if IAH will see more UAX E-170s?

[Edited 2012-11-26 11:56:52]


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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20043 times:

According to this article they want to expand D before the Rio Olympics and world cup cause Houston has high traffic to and from Brazil. http://www.chron.com/business/articl...ion-at-Bush-airport-is-2078855.php
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20008 times:

Plus from 2 pm to 5 pm Terminal D is crowded with Flights from Klm Air France Lufthansa Emirates Qatar Singapore Aero Mexico and Taca and no more room. Sometimes Singapore goes to gate D2 cause D4 or D5 is occupied by KLM. Plus with the new Asian carrier coming after Turkish arrives they need to expand D. If y'all have been to Terminal D its dead and outdated there's not even a starbucks. Houston airport has a lot of potential can be used both as a Skyteam/ Star hub.

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19999 times:

I seen a few E-170 of UA at IAH Terminal B.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19998 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 12):
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.

Co-location is good and all, but connections just won't make sense. It'd only really work for Aeromexico because its almost 0 backtrack on Mexico-IAH-Europe vs Mexico-Europe. And since the TerminaLink train goes to all terminals and runs fast and often, so if you were to make a connection, it wouldn't be that hard anyways.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19991 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
TK begins March 2013

TK starts IAH on 01Apr13 and is now bookable.

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 10):
To my recollection, CO/UA moved out of D when E opened.

Many consider the D1-D3 gates part of C since they are closer and they currently handle the RJ flights from Mexico because they are still connected to the hallway leading to the FIS building. I believe these were the gates DL was interested in, because there is no real space for DL to move during the European rush of flights with 7 of the 8 flights mostly occupied during that time frame. I am curious how much connecting traffic is seen among SkyTeam partners now because IAH is a mere spoke from the DL hubs.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Terminal B is expanded with FIS?

Can someone correct me, but I thought this part of B has been put on hold, indefinitely, during the whole WN debate. Current construction is still a go for B-North as part of Phase 1. However, phase 2, which includes the FIS, has been put on hold.

Quoting IAH59 (Thread starter):
Will Terminal D be expanded before 2014 Rio world cup and 2016 Olympics?

As everyone mentioned, what does this have to do with IAH? Even if UA expanded ops to GIG and GRU, they would utilize E for departures and arrivals. If LATAM is interested in starting IAH-GIG and utilizes nighttime departures, there would be plenty of space at D since all the European flights except the last BA flight and the new TK flight would have departed. Yes there are masterplans to expand D, but there are plenty of ways to reshuffle the gates for one or two more new airlines, even with the LH A380 obstructing D11.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19986 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
There are also a lot of passengers from Korea on the NRT flight so I can see Asiana working really well also.

How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19974 times:

Well if you on a the Amsterdam flight with KLM and you flew in on Delta your next ticket says Delta and people go to Delta Check in and on Delta check in counter says Air France KLM Delta representing that there partners but, you can't check in your luggage there. I seen people even go to Delta Check in counter cause they see Air France and KLM written on there thinking that they don't have to go to Terminal D. The train runs slow here and there sometimes there some delay cause of maintenance.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19933 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.

I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19894 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 18):

Where on the signage at IAH are they directing DL passengers to D? I am trying to understand what you wrote. AF and KL passengers are directed to D check-in and E/FIS for arrival. Signs for DL flights are only to A. Unless the passenger does not read their ticket information, most airlines are pretty clear of terminal departures and arrivals and if it is a codeshare flight and where to check-in.



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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19886 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

Word of advice (and I learned the hard way on this forum), you better have the numbers and the facts to back up your comments and assertions. Trust me there are those here that will bury you with all sorts of figures, reports, ect..to counter your musings and hearsay.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19871 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

Well, the local market from Houston to Seoul is 39 passengers a day per direction. If a nonstop started, that number might jump to the 50 range.

An IAH-ICN flight is going to be heavily dependant on connections. What will make the difference would be how many people they can put on there destined for places like China, Singapore, and Malaysia. IAH-Vietnam/MNL traffic is large, but so awfully low yield that its not even worth trying for.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19802 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 22):
Well, the local market from Houston to Seoul is 39 passengers a day per direction. If a nonstop started, that number might jump to the 50 range.

That's the local market, but as you said, connections would rule. But there has to be something there if there have been rumors of KE and Asiana have been rumored for service.



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 19749 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 23):
That's the local market, but as you said, connections would rule. But there has to be something there if there have been rumors of KE and Asiana have been rumored for service.

Exactly, but its connections to certain places that will rule. PVG, PEK, KUL, and SIN to be more exact.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 20088 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 24):
Exactly, but its connections to certain places that will rule. PVG, PEK, KUL, and SIN to be more exact.


Of course. Out of curiosity, where does one find these numbers? I have always wondered what source people use for these types of info. on a.net.



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User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 19970 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 20):
Where on the signage at IAH are they directing DL passengers to D? I am trying to understand what you wrote. AF and KL passengers are directed to D check-in and E/FIS for arrival. Signs for DL flights are only to A. Unless the passenger does not read their ticket information, most airlines are pretty clear of terminal departures and arrivals and if it is a codeshare flight and where to check-in.

DL/KL/AF operate as one carrier out of IAH, having seperate operations is not cost efficient and the customer confusion is horrible. Currently, if a KL or AF customer needs ticketing they are sent to terminal A for the DL agents to handle. The new Menzies employees are currently training on the DL system to handle KL anf AF customer ticketing in terminal D; this should help that issue. Also, the number one complaint from DL customers is the lounge being in terminal D. DL pays for half the costs of the operation in terminal D and wants better utilization of the resources of both operations. DL in D would allow DL to ground handle KL, AF and AM, thus saving on ground handling costs and provide better service.


User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 429 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19720 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 19):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 17):
How much is a lot? Id be curious to know.

I don't know numbers and I don't know the first place to begin looking for said numbers, but I escorted UM's through FIS for UA over the past two summers and I'd have to say I saw more kids with Korean passports, next was Japan, then Vietnam. I guess that could be an indicator.

On IAH-NRT, there are ~30-40 connections everyday going on to ICN from what I've seen.

LAXdude1023 and I have had this conversation quite a bit, but I believe OZ would do very well out of IAH by maximizing the flow traffic over ICN. The huge Star FF base at IAH and significant traffic flows to Asia could be easily captured since it is currently either a double or offline connection to places like SGN, PUS, UUS and secondary China. Just like SQ was able to capture most of the SIN, CGK and KUL traffic via its flight, OZ could improve the schedule to these destinations in addition to the tough to reach northern destinations. The schedule that would be the best is not necessarily the best for connections over IAH, but really those markets are limited in size and already covered from a network perspective compared to the unique IAH O&D. Plus I doubt UA would want to play very nicely.

Sample OZ schedule:
ICNIAH 2000-1730
IAHICN 2330-0530 +2



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32731 posts, RR: 72
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19437 times:

Quoting Tdan (Reply 27):
On IAH-NRT, there are ~30-40 connections everyday going on to ICN from what I've seen.

No, there aren't, because the local market isn't that big. Unless 100% of passengers are travelling on this one exact routing.

That said, yes, I think Houston can support Seoul service, and the local market would probably double within three years if an airline did. But the market is not huge today.



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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 429 posts, RR: 3
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19293 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 28):
Quoting Tdan (Reply 27):
On IAH-NRT, there are ~30-40 connections everyday going on to ICN from what I've seen.

No, there aren't, because the local market isn't that big. Unless 100% of passengers are travelling on this one exact routing.

That's counting double connects which make up quite a bit of the ICN traffic on UA's IAH-NRT flight. Still, it's only an observation from multiple trips; ICN always seems to be the biggest volume connection on IAH-NRT, though it's nearly all coach traffic.



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User currently offlinecosyr From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17561 times:

Do Delta passengers generally seek IAH for connections? Maybe it has been mentioned in some expansion plans somewhere, but since when has Delta had any plans to move to Terminal D, a terminal currently dedicated to International Arrivals? Also, United regularly uses Terminal D for RJ international arrivals, or at least they did until the merger drew down IAH service slightly.

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5173 posts, RR: 8
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17344 times:

Quoting cosyr (Reply 30):
but since when has Delta had any plans to move to Terminal D, a terminal currently dedicated to International Arrivals? Also, United regularly uses Terminal D for RJ international arrivals, or at least they did until the merger drew down IAH service slightly.

I've heard this rumor plenty of times. And yes they do use D regularly.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17130 times:

It makes sense for Delta to move to gates D1 - D4 so it can be together with its partners then also if they have passengers that need to go to Europe or Mexico or so on they can connect through Houston. Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston. If you have gone to Terminal D it has been the same its opened almost its the only terminal without a starbucks that's how bad it is. On the youtube video of Lufthansa bringing the A380 Mario Daiz Houston airport Director announces that there will be a Asian Flag carrier coming to Houston couple months After Turkish.

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17085 times:

Delta operates the most flights out of Us carriers other than United at IAH.

User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16984 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 33):
Delta operates the most flights out of Us carriers other than United at IAH.

I thought HAS used to report US Airways as #2 at IAH and then AA. The HAS numbers page is not loading for me at the moment, does anyone have them?



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16947 times:

I just went on wikipedia saw Delta has more flights out of IAH than AA and US airways.

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16888 times:

Your write right airways than AA has more passengers than Delta. Still make a good benefit for Delta though. I talk to a friend at United and he was telling me that United is converting Houston to primarily a Airbus hub.

[Edited 2012-11-26 22:30:42]

User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16881 times:

The website is working for me now. Go to http://www.fly2houston.com/TrafficStats

for october 2012 (latest available) it looks like USAirways beats all DL and subs by about 8-9k pax but please double check my math.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 16837 times:

Yup your right I checked as well. Still Delta can benefit alot from IAH.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16793 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 35):

I just went on wikipedia saw Delta has more flights out of IAH than AA and US airways.

DL may have more flights, but all of US flights out of IAH are mainline. And there is a good amount of US flights into IAH to begin with.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston.

UA will not let this happen. They will defend their fortress hub until the end and I give UA a 99.999999999999999999999999999999% chance of winning a war against DL over IAH. I don't say 100% because as we all know, anything can happen in this industry. I think DL is still slobbering over DFW since they shut that hub down in 2004ish.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16740 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 12):

According to this article they want to expand D before the Rio Olympics and world cup cause Houston has high traffic to and from Brazil. http://www.chron.com/business/articl...5.php

Chris Moran is really trying to stretch it. IAH can handle an increase in flights, especially to Brazil, and if done by UA. He should focus more on Brazil needing to update their infrastructure to handle both events!

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 12):
Delta would be great to be in Terminal D because all the other skyteam partners are there so great for customer that can come in to Houston and get on Aero Mexico and go south or Klm or Air France to Europe and so on.

With that same token, what about AA moving to be closer to BA and possibly EK? Or should US move to the D1-D3 gates just so it can be a whole lot closer to its Star Alliance partners, esp with the codeshares on UA and SQ.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 13):
Plus with the new Asian carrier coming after Turkish arrives they need to expand D.

TK will be arriving after most of the European carriers have departed, by mid-evening. When a new Asian carrier arrives at IAH, I expect it to land before the European arrival bank.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 13):
If y'all have been to Terminal D its dead and outdated there's not even a starbucks. Houston airport has a lot of potential can be used both as a Skyteam/ Star hub.

The lack of Starbucks is quite amusing but not a must!

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston.

As it seems from NW's post, DL would rather consolidate and save money and any operational issues. How will DL invest in IAH if they have not made any peep of expansion beyond the hubs?



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 15111 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 32):
Plus Delta is cutting flights out of Memphis its a great opportunity to invest into Houston.

Not going to happen. Period.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14995 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 36):

Really? Why is that? I think the 737 will stay.

[Edited 2012-11-27 12:18:38]


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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14979 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 42):
Really? Why is that? I think the 737 will stay.

The 737 will stay. However, there will be less since UA is moving aircraft around to maximize the aircrafts potential. I heard that UA wants to put the A32X on more Mexico flights from IAH because of its higher cargo capacity. An A320 may work better than a 738 on some routes and a 738 may work better than an A320 on other routes.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14967 times:

Well because US airways uses the United club with Air Canada on the North Concourse. Not many One world members at IAH as many Sky and Star so wouldn't make alot of sense. If Delta can't move they should than Air Canada to Terminal D because Air Canda has alot of connection with United.

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14935 times:

There's also a new airline flying to IAH called Cal jet from Mazatlan. As well as rumors that SAS might operate to IAH from Oslo and New Zealand Airways from Auckland because UA dropped that proposal.

User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14871 times:

Don't forget that new Asian carrier!!


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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14869 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 46):
Don't forget that new Asian carrier!!

Has something been announced?



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14854 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 47):

Mario Diaz gave us some clues during the A380 event.



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Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14818 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 48):
Mario Diaz gave us some clues during the A380 event.

He's only said "Asian flag carrier." That could be anything, and Asia is a huge continent. So it could be anything from ElAl to Vietnam Airlines.



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Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14784 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 48):
Mario Diaz gave us some clues during the A380 event.

Thats not an announcement. IAH can support one more Asian destination, that I have no doubt of.

But how many times have we seen city officials go to another city in a foreign land and beg for service? The DFW and Houston boys do it all the time.

Lets wait until we get something more certain.



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Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14743 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 45):
As well as rumors that SAS might operate to IAH from Oslo and New Zealand Airways from Auckland because UA dropped that proposal.

If SAS does happen, my guess is this being serviced by something like a 737-700 all biz class config STV-IAH link possibly. Something like what KLM did previously.... ANZ is still a possibility, but no word from them since they announced intentions of such a flight earlier this past summer...


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Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14701 times:
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FX is doing 6x daily departures now at IAH and we are looking at 2x more next year.

1105 AFW A300
0920 BUR A300
1617 IND MD10
1351 LGB A300
0408 MEM MD10
1299 MEM MD10

Additional frequencies being considered are AFW & EWR.

How many Narita pax connect via IAH?

I don't really care about a non-US flag carrier entering the market, but who is it going to be?

I'm GS on UA and have their back but still don't understand why they dumped IAH-AKL and went with DEN-NRT.

  

See you in BFS on Friday UA.


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Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14638 times:
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Quoting IAH59 (Reply 45):
rumors that SAS might operate to IAH from Oslo and



Houston we are told locally has the largest Norwegian communiy in the nation - recent, educated. oil-associated employees largely, with their families.


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Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14576 times:

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 53):

Yes, but how many Norwegian's actually live in Houston? SAS will have to run this flight profitably and the smallest a/c they have got presently are 265 seat A333/A343's. The question is CAN SAS fill enough seats to keep a service like this operational long term?


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Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14587 times:

Quoting shanderawx (Reply 53):
Houston we are told locally has the largest Norwegian communiy in the nation - recent, educated. oil-associated employees largely, with their families.

That honor actually goes to Minneapolis.

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 54):
Yes, but how many Norwegian's actually live in Houston?

According to the census the number is less than 2,000.

IAH-Norway is a very high yield market, but the volume is not high enough to start a flight in my opinion. All the secondary cities in Norway that a high yield destinations from IAH (TRD and SVG mainly) are served from AMS via KLM.



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Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14544 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 55):
That honor actually goes to Minneapolis



No it actually doesn't. The Consul General of Norway said Houston has the largest pop of ex-pat Norwegian nationals outside of Scandinavia. There should still be links to it on the press release area of the consulate's webpage.
Also Norway closed its consulate in Minneapolis and made it an Honorary Consul instead. No demand for it as the diaspora is too "mature" now.

Now, if you mean Norwegian-Americans I am sure the North Central US is tops.

"The number of Norwegians in the area is not large compared with other immigrant communities - an estimated 5,000 to 6,000 - but there's no larger concentration living outside of Scandinavia, said Lasse Sigurd Seim, the consul general of Norway in Houston. "



http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2008_4610819

Also
"About 100 Norwegian companies had business operations in Houston during that year. In 2007 Houston had $1.5 billion United States dollars in trade with Norway"

[Edited 2012-11-27 18:07:18]

edit to fix link


[Edited 2012-11-27 18:16:45]


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Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14519 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 55):
IAH-Norway is a very high yield market, but the volume is not high enough to start a flight in my opinion. All the secondary cities in Norway that a high yield destinations from IAH (TRD and SVG mainly) are served from AMS via KLM.

My point exactly...thus the only possible solution as far as SAS actually servicing this market would be the use of a BBJ Privatair type a/c that caters to biz class clientele... Norwegian families would likely continue using KLM / BA / AF / LH for holiday travel....


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Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14504 times:
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Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 4):Because Houston is a suburb of Rio and they need airport capacity.

I am totally confused!

Most flights to South America depart the Houston hub, yes?


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Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14483 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 56):

FlyingSicilian is correct according to wikipedia

"Lasse Sigurd Seim, the consul general of the Norwegian Consulate General, Houston, described the estimated 5,000–6,000 Norwegians in the Houston area around 2008 as the largest concentration of Norwegians outside of Scandinavia. Jenalia Moreno of the Houston Chronicle said during that year that the influx of Norwegians into Greater Houston was "relatively new."[50] Seim said that in the late 1800s, of all of the ports in the United States, with the exception of Ellis Island in New York City, more Norwegians arrived at the port of Galveston than any other port. Many of the Norwegians who were processed through Galveston migrated to Minnesota and other areas in the Midwestern United States.[50]"

So, speaking to that you MIGHT be able to provide a A333 / A343 service a few times a week if these 5,000 - 6,000 do indeed travel as much for holiday's as they would be for oil business related work.

Now speaking to SQ service I think we can see how successful they are with swinging the flight through Moscow on its way between SIN-IAH since its inception.

"In a 2004 Houston Chronicle article Nikolai V. Sofinskiy, the first consul general of the Consulate-General of Russia in Houston, stated that the Houston area had around 40,000 Russian speakers."


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Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14364 times:

Well on the A380 video Mario Diaz said a true Asian Flag carrier. Reason why United went ahead with DEN- NRT was to torturer Houston most likely.

User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 926 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14357 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 60):

Nah, I heard the IAH-AKL flight was never going to launch due to some issues and because of the merger.



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Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14316 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 59):
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 56):

Creative, theyre including people who are temporarily working in Houston in their number.

On the subject of Norway, here are the largest markets from Houston in Norway:

IAH-OSL: 22 Passengers per day each way
IAH-BGO: 7 passengers per day each way
IAH-KRS: 4 passengers per day each way
IAH-TRD: 4 passengers per day each way
IAH-SVG: 3 passengers per day each way



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Reply 63, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14280 times:

Really I just thought it was dropped whenever they announced that Hobby was going to operate international flights. I wonder if Etihad has a shot in IAH or Gulf air due to the Energy sector. Or any future passenger flights to Acara or Luanda.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14256 times:

Can a Gulf carrier or someone else do location X to Norway to IAH?


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Reply 65, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 14263 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 64):

Thats a good Idea Abu Dhabi - Oslo - Houston or Bahrain - Oslo - Houston
You also have to understand that alot of Asian/African travelers use Qatar and Emirates cause its one stop flight usually to there destination.


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Reply 66, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14259 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 65):
Thats a good Idea Abu Dhabi - Oslo - Houston or Bahrain - Oslo - Houston

BGK-Oslo-IAH on TG would be a gold mine. Oil AND Tourism would fill this flight. It would be awesome to see a TG plane in IAH!



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Reply 67, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14231 times:

Or to Malaysia as well connecting 3 energy capitols like SQ or to Brunei.

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Reply 68, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14259 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 64):
Can a Gulf carrier or someone else do location X to Norway to IAH?

BA already carries a fair amount of of the non-corporate flight ops Houston-Norway traffic already.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 62):
Creative, theyre including people who are temporarily working in Houston in their number.

You make it sound like they go to Houston for a month and leave. Most of those people "temporarily" live in Houston for years.

I was "temporarily" working in Brasil for nearly 2 years and Germany for 3 but that was my residence and status notwithstanding still needed airline services...   And the Consul has stated in more recent interviews the numbers have grown. But don't let facts get in the way of a good thing for you...

All that said I concur a Houston Norway non-stop is not likely in the near-term.

However with a good premium demand, n/s market stimulation, connections, and some corporate jet ops moving to commercial options (if non-stop existed obviously) a 3 or 4x day a week Houston-Oslo n/s flight would not be that big of a shocker one day. For now the corporate ops and the likes of BA or KLM have it fairly well covered.



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Reply 69, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14201 times:

Hopefully Terminal D gets a good modern expansion with latest technology.

User currently offlinehuxrules From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14185 times:

How about a IAH to ABZ flight? I surprised that this hasn't happened yet.

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Reply 71, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14192 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Ekvn-bglc - Houston Master plan Video.

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Reply 72, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14205 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 60):
Reason why United went ahead with DEN- NRT was to torturer Houston most likely.

US companies do not torture things, unless they make cosmetics, diamond jewelry, or footwear.

They launched DEN-NRT because there was a solid business case to do so and the right equipment became available.

NS


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Reply 73, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14195 times:

Apparently Emirates has offered IAH to build a 10,000 sq feet lounage in Terminal D.

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Reply 74, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14166 times:

If a international carrier wanted to fly to Houston between noon and 6pm they couldn't offer it due to lack of space.

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Reply 75, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14143 times:

Quoting huxrules (Reply 70):
How about a IAH to ABZ flight? I surprised that this hasn't happened yet.



There were some vague Internet rumours and one announcement from a charter IIRC or something but it never happened.
This is another route BA makes good money via LHR and plenty of oil companies use their corporate jets on the route

A bigger non-stop "hole" in the oil market from IAH is MAR



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Reply 76, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14032 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 69):

Realistically, I think all D needs right now is more room for pax especially toward the LH A388 T-D12 side. If all they did was a basic add-on for more terminal space and a higher speed wi-fi connection, then this would suffice until city / federal officials provided more cash for a full scale redo of that section of the airport. For me, T-D is more of a "destination" terminal and not as much of a DXB or JFK "connecting" terminal. There is much more that needs to be considered and built out than just brick and mortar on the topside. Need to also consider creating what has been needed for some time, which is a customs / INS "transit zone" for the traffic that is starting to come alive as far as transiting pax between EU & Cent. / S. America. IAH requires one to STILL clear US customs, claim bags, and recheck them for their next Int'l connecting flight at D. Not sure what the daily load factors are for these transiting pax, but the costs to redo D to in fact operate much like other global ports will require consideration in a true remodel of T-D at IAH.


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Reply 77, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14025 times:

Quoting huxrules (Reply 70):
Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 75):

Have to be along the lines of a Houston Express option like the one presently operated by Atlas between IAH - Luanda and even then that is a 744, which is WAY to much capacity to start something like an IAH-ABZ.

This one stays with mainline EU carriers, but more importantly these pax will most definately consider shifting business over to TK next year as a BAK-IST-IAH routing over running through LHR, FRA or CDG .


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14004 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 77):
BAK-IST-IAH

meant Baku as ABZ-IST-IAH


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13951 times:

Probably also a good route for TK is Central Asia Via IST to IAH. Terminal D is very outdated according to the Youtube link I posted and alot of Airlines are complaining cause when alot of these tourist / business men come they plan to spend money on stuff they can't get back home which Terminal D lacks of. The airlines like Qatar and Emirates are complaining constantly at them just Houston Airport Sytem who own terminal D and A don't have enough funds.

User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 80, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13869 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 66):
BGK-Oslo-IAH on TG would be a gold mine. Oil AND Tourism would fill this flight. It would be awesome to see a TG plane in IAH!

On the contrary, such a flight would be a massive failure. IAH-BKK is not only not a large market, but its also low yield (as is every other US City to BKK). Heck, TG has a hard time making LAX work and its almost 9 times a larger local market.

If any airline can make IAH-OSL work, it is only SK. 3x a week might work.

Quoting huxrules (Reply 70):
How about a IAH to ABZ flight? I surprised that this hasn't happened yet.

ABZ would be a much better investment from IAH than OSL. Not only is the market twice as large, but its a higher yielding market full of Marine and Oil fares. IAH-ABZ is a perfect market for a 40-50 seat BBJ.



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User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13807 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 79):

Hmmm...ok good point on more duty free options, BUT IF they knew where to go in Houston to get even better stuff at prices that rival or even BETTER duty free then its kind of a mute point.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 79):

One option that should be considered then is to allow T-D to be annexed, funded and operated by the tenant airlines utilizing these gates. It would be similar to what has been done at JFK over the last 10 yrs. JFK's T1 for example remodeling efforts was partially funded by both the Sky Team and Star Alliance carriers operating there as they wanted a say in the design and layout. If Qatar, Emirates, Lufthansa, AF/KLM, etc. would like new facilities then they should in fact approach HAS about such a partnership as cash outlay by the city would likely require a bond election that the public will be weary of footing the bill for, not to mention attracting dwindling federal subsidies.


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Reply 82, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13787 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 80):
IAH-ABZ is a perfect market for a 40-50 seat BBJ.

At 8,200 nautical a BBJ might be able to make this happen, but I still think TK linking through IST is the more plausible scenario.....


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Reply 83, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13791 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 82):
At 8,200 nautical a BBJ might be able to make this happen, but I still think TK linking through IST is the more plausible scenario.....



ABZ is Aberdeen, Scotland. Are you thinking of Baku, Azerbaijan?

IAH-ABZ is a 44 passenger a day market with very high yields. This would be much more worth while than connecting IAH with OSL. Only thing is that connecting IAH with ABZ will hurt BA's profits on IAH-LHR.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13730 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 83):
Only thing is that connecting IAH with ABZ will hurt BA's profits on IAH-LHR.

You are correct sir



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Reply 85, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days ago) and read 13720 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 83):
ABZ is Aberdeen, Scotland. Are you thinking of Baku, Azerbaijan?

I was ...thanks for clearing up the city in question ...


User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 429 posts, RR: 3
Reply 86, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13648 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 62):
IAH-SVG: 3 passengers per day each way

You sure about that? In 2011 it was over 20 PDEW with half of it being business class traffic. KL carries a bunch of these guys. That's the issue with IAH-Norway. It's not just IAH-OSL, but rather IAH-OSL, SVG, BGO, KRS, TRD which are all single connections on KL and some via LH or BA. If SK wasn't such a basket case, IAH-OSL could work due to the Star connection, but there will be a significant competitive response from KL which is firmly entrenched.

ABZ on a BBJ should have happened years ago...



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Reply 87, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13641 times:

Quoting Tdan (Reply 86):
You sure about that? In 2011 it was over 20 PDEW with half of it being business class traffic. KL carries a bunch of these guys. That's the issue with IAH-Norway. It's not just IAH-OSL, but rather IAH-OSL, SVG, BGO, KRS, TRD which are all single connections on KL and some via LH or BA. If SK wasn't such a basket case, IAH-OSL could work due to the Star connection, but there will be a significant competitive response from KL which is firmly entrenched.

Your right. It was 20 PDEW. I looked IAH-TRD twice.

I double checked the rest and they are correct. Your point about IAH-Norway being scattered across the country is correct.

[Edited 2012-11-28 09:34:54]


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Reply 88, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13584 times:

nvm, data was fixed. delete post

[Edited 2012-11-28 09:40:07]


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Reply 89, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13634 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 81):
Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 81):
One option that should be considered then is to allow T-D to be annexed, funded and operated by the tenant airlines utilizing these gates. It would be similar to what has been done at JFK over the last 10 yrs. JFK's T1 for example remodeling efforts was partially funded by both the Sky Team and Star Alliance carriers operating there as they wanted a say in the design and layout. If Qatar, Emirates, Lufthansa, AF/KLM, etc. would like new facilities then they should in fact approach HAS about such a partnership as cash outlay by the city would likely require a bond election that the public will be weary of footing the bill for, not to mention attracting dwindling federal subsidies.

Well Emirates came to HAS saying that they want there own lounage of 10,000 sq ft and they will pay for it so far nothing has happened. So far Houston has a low passenger service fee so there thinking about increasing it. According youtube video I posted the airlines in Terminal D are complaining about lack of facilities. Most people come to Houston for stop overs or business. Most people spend big bucks in the international terminals.


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Reply 90, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13609 times:

Houston has to act fast with Terminal D expansion hopefully the expansion will start beginning of next year as they plan. Because there competitor airports already have nice facilities.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 91, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13489 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 90):
Houston has to act fast with Terminal D expansion hopefully the expansion will start beginning of next year as they plan. Because there competitor airports already have nice facilities.

I'm all for D being renovated/expanded and all, I even think there should be a satellite terminal for it. But where would EK put this 10,000 sqft lounge? The only space I can think of is the area by D11/D12, but since all the A380 pax go there, that kills that idea, unless EK works out a deal with BA to fork over one of their 2 clubs.

A satellite terminal for heavies where the hardstands are now is, IMO, the best best idea.

Does anyone have any info on the rumored "east terminal"?



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Reply 92, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13460 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Ekvn-bglc - Youtube video of the conference of IAH expansion and Hobby.

The airlines are telling Houston that they are loosing money due to lack of facilities.


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Reply 93, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

There going to make a pier at Terminal D by gates D5 and D4.

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Reply 94, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13443 times:

They are also talking to the owners of the Marriott about renovating it because its very outdated.

User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13358 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 91):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 92):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 93):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 94):

While we ALL can agree IAH T-D needs to be upgraded or replaced, the fact of the matter (based on the video provided by IAH59) is that HAS does NOT have the cash flow to replace the infrastructure on par with DFW, LAX, SFO, or even DTW. The point made is that a $3 pax charge has been collected over the years whereas IAH's Top 10 competitors have been collecting $4.50 per pax since the early 1990's which in turn has funded Tom Bradley to the tune of $1.8 bill. and LAX's new Int'l terminal at $2.8 bill. Assit. Dir. Simmons is on the record as saying that HAS simply cannot afford all the amentities being asked of Emirates (including a 10,000 sqft lounge) found at other competing establishments around the world due to both the budget for a revamped T-D which is in line with about $300-$400 mill., but more importantly SPACE. The best that IAH can hope for are corrections to a shoddy job that went into D's original construction during the "bust" years of the oil boom of the late 80's / early 90's (the city cut corners on its design and construction).

Now, the conceptual drawing that is on the table as being the go forward design plan the video includes basically provides space for up to 10 wide body gates or about the SAME as what is presently in place at T-D today. The difference seems to be 2 additional wide body hardstands out where the current hard stands are positioned today. The drawing further does not provision for the possibility of a 2nd A380 gate, which I think could be crucial to D's growth IF EK or some other carrier decides to upguage rather than operate multiple daily frequencies. Lufthansa is already raking in serious cash with their upgrade as first and biz have been going out close to full since the launch ($17k First and $9k biz, not to mention at capacity belly freight and an economy class that is extra sugar in the cookies).


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Reply 96, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13238 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 63):
Or any future passenger flights to Acara or Luanda.

ACC could be possible, depending on how LOS does for UA. But didn't DL cancel ATL-ACC? As for LAD, would the Angolan government allow UA or another American carrier to start LAD services?

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 76):
IAH requires one to STILL clear US customs, claim bags, and recheck them for their next Int'l connecting flight at D.

Unless it's a UA Int-Int flight. They go through immigration, but not customs. I'm not sure if that has been extended to other Star carriers or mainly to LH because there was a special line at passport control for LH passengers continuing on to another international flight on UA. Bags were redirected for TSA screening before continuing on. UA Int-Dom flights do have to go through immigration and customs.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 97, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13208 times:

Can D be expanded anymore to the east? That seems like a logical thing to do, even if it is a short ways, it could add 2 more narrow body gates and one of those could possibly be A380 capable as well as D-12.

The next cities with IAH service I see are, ACC, ICN, Recife, Porto Alegre, Fortaleza, Manaus, and believe it or not, AKL. All of these are in no particular order and not necessarily served by UA, just what I can see being added over the next 5-7 years.



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 98, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13202 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 97):

Can D be expanded anymore to the east? That seems like a logical thing to do, even if it is a short ways, it could add 2 more narrow body gates and one of those could possibly be A380 capable as well as D-12.

I think taking over the area in between D9-D10, they can add the "L" pier to it and add another A380 capable gate. I do wonder if D4/D4A and D5 could be converted into another A380 gate and thought that was the original plan when EK had wanted to initially send the A380, but did not have the range.



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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 429 posts, RR: 3
Reply 99, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13186 times:

Any D renovation is going to be a mirror image of terminal E as this is part of the 2030-2040 master plan. I think we're still a few years away, but the first pier between D4-D5 needs to at least be in the planning stages as any additional international widebody capacity cannot really be handled at a gate from 1300-1700. I think you'll see the DL move occur if/when this first pier is built.


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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13097 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 98):
I do wonder if D4/D4A and D5 could be converted into another A380 gate and thought that was the original plan when EK had wanted to initially send the A380, but did not have the range.

I've heard this too. I wonder if it is the next gate area to be renovated. Maybe that's why SQ is at D2? When are the higher MTOW A380s supposed to be delivered to EK? I can see it being an early A380 high MTOW location for EK. Will QR fly the whalejet to IAH too?

Quoting Tdan (Reply 99):
Any D renovation is going to be a mirror image of terminal E

I kind of hope it's not because you can barely put 2 772's at the end of each pier in E without the smaller gate in the middle being used for wing space, much less two 747s or A380s. If they do do that to D, I hope they fix that problem.



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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 429 posts, RR: 3
Reply 101, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13092 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 100):
I kind of hope it's not because you can barely put 2 772's at the end of each pier in E without the smaller gate in the middle being used for wing space, much less two 747s or A380s. If they do do that to D, I hope they fix that problem.

Sure you can! Haven't you seen the 764 at E2? Basically you can fit widebodies throughout terminal E, they just will block some gates. UA could theoretically accommodate widebodies at E2, E4, E5, E7, E8, E18, E20 and E22, but they don't ever have that many widebodies coming through IAH at one time (plus, it would block a bunch of gates). With just one pier between D4 and D5, terminal D could accommodate ~20 gates, with the capacity for ~10 widebodies simultaneously. I used Google Maps to superimpose one E pier onto D this summer...I'll see if I can find the file



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12957 times:

Quoting Tdan (Reply 101):
Haven't you seen the 764 at E2? Basically you can fit widebodies throughout terminal E, they just will block some gates.

I have seen that. And blocked up space means less room to send planes, and that means less money being made. But when those 777s and 767s are all lined up in E at the same time, it is a sight to see!



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12942 times:

Its a nice sight seeing United heavies parked at E all at once. They should move the Taca and Aero Mexico flights down to gates D1 - D3 so you can fit in some bigger jets.

User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12925 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 103):
Its a nice sight seeing United heavies parked at E all at once. They should move the Taca and Aero Mexico flights down to gates D1 - D3 so you can fit in some bigger jets.

D-1 through 3 are basically C gates. Do they have links to the FIS at D? I often see UA (formerly COEX) jets there on occasion



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12927 times:

Later down the road they will build a Terminal F at IAH and move the maintenance area to the other side of the airport by Terminal A. IAH will look like ATL with bunch of Piers sticking out. Looks like they already planning to make 2nd Airbus A380 gate.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12924 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 104):
Do they have links to the FIS at D

Yes they do. I have made the half mile walk from the UA kiosk in FIS to D1/2/3 many times!

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 105):
Later down the road they will build a Terminal F at IAH and move the maintenance area to the other side of the airport by Terminal A. IAH will look like ATL with bunch of Piers sticking out. Looks like they already planning to make 2nd Airbus A380 gate.

Where did you get this info? Do you have a link?



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12909 times:

I just looked at the Youtube video blue print i looked at. Well they have to build another A380 gate incase and airliner wants to fly to IAH or up gauge they have room. If they Move Taca and Aero Mexico and Viva Aerobus and the future Caljet to those gaes then you can fit another heavy plane. If they don't move they should bring Delta or US airways but, mostly Delta to Terminal D. IAH should take the opportunity to let Emirates pay for the lounge that they want to build. Anyone knows when the city or Houston Airport System has there meetings? As in to improve the airports or discuss there plans of expansion and repairs?

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12898 times:

http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3920506/0/83280D83283/ Houston added electric plugs in between the seats at Terminal D.

User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 109, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12911 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 106):
Where did you get this info? Do you have a link?

IAH Master Plan: http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3526125/0/82841D83214D83219/

Yes, the proposed Master Plan for IAH is to resemble DEN and ATL with the terminals converting into midfield concourses.

Right now, I think HAS wants to get Phase 1 of B complete and hopefully get UA to agree to move forward with Phase 2, which includes the FIS at B.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12869 times:

Hopefully the Terminal B phase 1 is done by 1st quarter of 2013 so they can get started on Terminal D.

User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12716 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 105):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 107):

Not to sound pessimistic, but the Master Plan dates back to 2006 and here we are 6 yrs later in which HAS is struggling to get D off the ground. You can already tell that part of the original plan has been pushed aside as they seem to be going with just 1 "L" shaped pier between D4 / D5 as opposed to 2 (the other was supposed to be at D12) that are evident in the original Master drawing plan. Only thing I can think as to why the paring down would be overall cost associated with the lower than industry standard pax fees. Can anyone confirm? Will their be the 2nd pier addition in the future? Granted this setup provides the extra pax space not to mention room for an Emirates lounge, but NOT the added gates for necessary carrier growth (provides maybe 1 or 2 wide body gates at the most). If this holds true to form, HAS really needs to consider adding 1 - 2 extra A380 capable gates to compensate for carrier upguaging (EK, TK, QR and even BA come to mind).


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days ago) and read 12690 times:

So does anyone know when IAH or the City of Houston or Houston Airport Systems have there meetings? like for improvements or stuff like that?

User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 111):
Not to sound pessimistic, but the Master Plan dates back to 2006 and here we are 6 yrs later in which HAS is struggling to get D off the ground. You can already tell that part of the original plan has been pushed aside as they seem to be going with just 1 "L" shaped pier between D4 / D5 as opposed to 2 (the other was supposed to be at D12) that are evident in the original Master drawing plan. Only thing I can think as to why the paring down would be overall cost associated with the lower than industry standard pax fees. Can anyone confirm? Will their be the 2nd pier addition in the future? Granted this setup provides the extra pax space not to mention room for an Emirates lounge, but NOT the added gates for necessary carrier growth (provides maybe 1 or 2 wide body gates at the most). If this holds true to form, HAS really needs to consider adding 1 - 2 extra A380 capable gates to compensate for carrier upguaging (EK, TK, QR and even BA come to mind).

I believe in the linked briefing he says the old master plan has been trashed and was based on outdated domestic growth numbers.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12404 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 107):
they should bring Delta

Any word on what would become of the DL gates in terminal A if/when they move?

I hope they don't make IAH look like ATL or DEN. DTW's layout looks efficient. But, IMO, they should have a long continuous hallway from A to E/D on the north and south sides, along with the 2 trains. And have the piers extend out from the central hallways. Pretty much like what the northside of terminals B and C will be when that phase of construction is complete. Plus I think IAH's layout as it is is really unique.

To me, the whole ATL/DEN style construction will be a huge construction and logistic nightmare because of all the access roads to get in the terminals will all have to be redone and to have operations in those conditions will be extremely atrocious and difficult.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12286 times:

I wonder if Malaysian Airline thought of flying to Houston competing with Singapore.

User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 116, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12289 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 115):
I wonder if Malaysian Airline thought of flying to Houston competing with Singapore.

MH is not even daily to LAX. Also with SQ back to daily, there are plenty of options to funnel KUL traffic through SIN.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 117, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12236 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 116):
funnel KUL traffic through SIN.

Or NRT on NH then IAH on UA.



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 34
Reply 118, posted (1 year 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 12072 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 97):
Can D be expanded anymore to the east?

In a word, no. D12 is the A380 gate, there is a VSR just beyond that and then active taxiway. There is no room for an incremental gate at all.

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 109):
IAH Master Plan: http://www.fly2houston.com/0/3526125...3219/

As has been said, this is outdated, but it still offers a long term view of what the general thrust is. Term B affairs kind of are a wild card right now: as a consequence of the HAS action with WN at HOU, there probably won'tbe the Phase 2 to B any time soon, much less with FIS facilities. Moreover, UA's own design for B was modified to accommodate 70 seaters (originally only 50 seaters, an idea already obsolete).

Certainly there is a fluidity involved here, but at least IAH has the real estate to ultimately effect what it wants to do longer term. That's half the battle right there. Funding is the other and of course, UA's own path irrespective of the rest of the intl OAL growth.


User currently offlinetriley1057 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 119, posted (1 year 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 12039 times:

I really would like to see UA expand more in Latin America. What are the chances that GYE gets restarted? Also, I would like to see United to more cities in Colombia such as Medellin, Cali (again), and Cartagena. And finally SCL!

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 11977 times:

They should restart Santiago I know DL flies there. Also be focus on expanding into Asia like Seoul Beijing Shanghai. Hopefully 2013 is a good year for IAH with Terminal B expansion to be opening and operating with 787 on international routes 3rd london flight. Also Turkish flying from Istanbul with the unannounced Asian carrier coming as well. Hopefully D expansion will start right after B opens. Hopefully British Airways will bring a 3rd daily London flight if United does well.

User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 11939 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 120):
Hopefully British Airways will bring a 3rd daily London flight if United does well.

Don't count on a 3rd BA....presently its a 772 & 744 respectively. If they do anything it will be a an upguage of the 4pm 772 service to 744 (to make it double daily 744). The next step in the future would be replacing that with an A380 at some point that they have on order (assuming IAH does indeed agree to go ahead with a 2nd capable gate during the D overhaul). I don't see a 3rd frequency happening unless its a before noon arrival.... Consequently, it would ideal for HAS to consider adding 2 more capable A380 gates into the Master Plan as QR and EK could also decide to pull the trigger over starting a 2nd daily flight...

[Edited 2012-11-30 13:08:45]

[Edited 2012-11-30 13:10:17]

I genuinely believe that D will get crowded if more A380 gates are not introduced since the overhaul provides very little relief to what is currently in place with now (1 to 2 more widebody gates are gained in the redo at best).


[Edited 2012-11-30 13:13:17]

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 11833 times:

Well since they have 1 A380 service I'm sure there rethinking to build another A380 capable gate for future services. Well They should make 6 o clock flight out they have one at 4 and 8. I was talking to bp person they told me the Bp travelers love the 8 clock flight from BA.

User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 11794 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 122):

Anyone know the load factors for the 2x daily BA's? BA has been the only foreign carrier that has been able to consistently keep 2 flights per day operational on a year round basis. AF had 2X a few years ago (a 9pm A332) and ended it...KLM had a BBJ for biz class operating in tandem with the 74M and that ended. EK briefly had a double daily 77L until one was called away for DFW (I think we can expect another one in the future if no an upguage to A388). LHR may just be the busiest routing operating from T-D (aside from UA) followed closely by LH's FRA, but how full are BA's flight's going out of IAH to warrant a 3rd rotation / 6pm slot?


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 11779 times:

What happen to the 2nd and 3rd KLM daily at IAH? why did they drop? why did AF end theres? Well UA has a 3 45 and 6 pm flight to LHR BA has a 4 pm and 8pm and UA will start a 8 pm flight so BA should start 6pm flight if UA does really well. If not upgauge. What did the 2nd Emirates daily leave houston and depart? Anyone know about the talks about Vietnam Airlines few other airlines to Houston I know I saw that in the master plan.

User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (1 year 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 11743 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 124):
What did the 2nd Emirates daily leave houston and depart?

This was a morning arrival and departure...

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 124):
What happen to the 2nd and 3rd KLM daily at IAH?

I do briefly recall the 2nd KLM (an evening departure) which was also an A332 (didn't last long at all)...but the 3rd has to be the Privatair BBJ I mentioned above...


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 11685 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 124):
What happen to the 2nd and 3rd KLM daily at IAH? why did they drop? why did AF end theres? Well UA has a 3 45 and 6 pm flight to LHR BA has a 4 pm and 8pm and UA will start a 8 pm flight so BA should start 6pm flight if UA does really well. If not upgauge. What did the 2nd Emirates daily leave houston and depart? Anyone know about the talks about Vietnam Airlines few other airlines to Houston I know I saw that in the master plan.

Continental (and then UA) were/are members of Star and don't need KL/AF feed.

When CO was still in Skyteam there was feed on both ends for more seats in the market to CDG and AMS. Now there is not.Now with Star UA needs to coordinate with LH. Hopefully IAH-MUC will happen next year.

Councilman Al Hoang stated a few days ago to local media he is on his way to Vietnam and there is a meeting schedule with Vietnam Airlines to try and get a flight to Houston. Problem is yields are not great on the route. We will see. Maybe 3 or 4 a week in a couple of years. Who knows.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (1 year 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 11698 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 125):
I do briefly recall the 2nd KLM (an evening departure) which was also an A332 (didn't last long at all)...but the 3rd has to be the Privatair BBJ I mentioned above...

I don't there recall there ever being 3 KL flights to IAH. I know the Privet flight was replaced with the A330 because the A330 has more J seats. And then they dropped that one too. They have been flying combis for the longest time though.



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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 128, posted (1 year 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 11663 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 127):

True, so far as I know.

The first KL IAH-AMS departure (late afternoon) has been a 74M ever since I can remember, and they used to run a second flight on a 763, sometimes with an A330. PrivatAir's 73G replaced that second flight, and I've never seen KLM with three flights a day to Houston. Now they're down to the Combi only, unless PrivatAir still makes occasional visits.

Scottie  

Edit:
Well, there could have been a brief time when KLM had its 74M departure around 4-ish, the 763 around 6pm, and then the PrivatAir 73G around 8 or 9, but that couldn't have lasted long, if it ever happened.

[Edited 2012-11-30 21:39:57]

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 11609 times:

According to Houston Airport System they are talking to Vietnam Airlines Korean Air Asiana Air China Eva Air and China airlines. Must explain why they went to Asia this year.

User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 130, posted (1 year 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 11580 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 129):
According to Houston Airport System they are talking to Vietnam Airlines Korean Air Asiana Air China Eva Air and China airlines. Must explain why they went to Asia this year.

They are always in discussion with other airlines to generate new service to IAH. Also, do you know how to use commas?



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11436 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 123):
BA has been the only foreign carrier that has been able to consistently keep 2 flights per day operational on a year round basis.

I believe that AM currently has 3 E190 flights per day MEX-IAH. Does this count as more flights by a foreign carrier at IAH?

 


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Reply 132, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11347 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 131):
I believe that AM currently has 3 E190 flights per day MEX-IAH. Does this count as more flights by a foreign carrier at IAH?


Let's not forget AC, I seem to recall several flights a day to YYZ, YYC and YUL by our Canadian friends.



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User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11287 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 131):

So, let's clarify shall we?  BA is currently the only wide body (non-latin american) carrier that has been able to consistently keep 2 flights per day operational on a year round basis. How's that?

BTW, AC in fact has AM beat with at least 4 flights per day into IAH via YTZ and YUL .


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 134, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11205 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 126):
Councilman Al Hoang stated a few days ago to local media he is on his way to Vietnam and there is a meeting schedule with Vietnam Airlines to try and get a flight to Houston. Problem is yields are not great on the route. We will see. Maybe 3 or 4 a week in a couple of years. Who knows.

Waste of time. If VN cant get a flight to LAX going (a local market 4 times the size of IAH-Vietnam and higher yields), IAH would never work. Its not a small market, but the yields are total garbage (as is every US city to Vietnam).

Councilman Hoang would be better off wooing a carrier that could make IAH work (like NH or CA).

[Edited 2012-12-01 20:12:12]


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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11122 times:

I'd love to see any Russian airline, preferably SU, to fly to IAH. I'd more-so love to see LOT and Aer Lingus. But out of those three, I think only LOT has the best chance only because of Star.


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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11106 times:

IAH is most expensive airport in America. I think Aeroflot would make more money than LOT. Why do you sugguest that LOT or Aer Lingus should fly to IAH?

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11095 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 136):
Why do you sugguest that LOT or Aer Lingus should fly to IAH?

It'd be nice to see more tails in the line-up in D. Also I'm of Polish and Irish decent so seeing my ancestral countries flag carriers at my home airport would be amazing to me. Just a pipe dream of mine.  



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 10902 times:

Yeah be nice seeing more Asian carriers and also airlines like Air India and Pakistan International even though I would take any other airline to Pakistan than PIA. In Terminal A on the Terminalink Train station they posted Facts and pictures of Houston. Minor improvement at IAH.

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10822 times:

Yeah be nice seeing more Asian carriers and also airlines like Air India and Pakistan International even though I would take any other airline to Pakistan than PIA. In Terminal A on the Terminalink Train station they posted Facts and pictures of Houston. Minor improvement at IAH.

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Reply 140, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10726 times:
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PIA did serve IAH a few years ago and had an office here on Kirby Street. The airline offered exotic tours to several mountainous areas. The airline flew here through Manchester I believe and eventually left because of either economic circumstances or because of failure to adhere to Aaviation requirements.

User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10702 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 45):
As well as rumors that SAS might operate to IAH from Oslo


I can just see all those people who work in Stavanger Norway come more often. If you know about the SAS employees at SVG, they probably use their passes more than any other airport's employees. Ran into them at a wine tasting tour, and a friend who was with me, saw them at the 49ers game a few months afterwards. They're everywhere....


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10705 times:

It was because of the requirements. Yes I knew they flew to Houston I still wish they did but, me personally I would take Qatar or Emirates back home to Pakistan or the Future service of Turkish Airline. They left because of the economic reason but, They flew on the worst days to IAH as I recall. They would make more money if people could get off at manchester from Houston.

User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 135):
IAH is most expensive airport in America. I think Aeroflot would make more money than LOT. Why do you sugguest that LOT or Aer Lingus should fly to IAH?

I was under the impression that SEA was the most expensive airport, and LGA second....

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 135):
I'd love to see any Russian airline, preferably SU, to fly to IAH. .

Personally, I think SFO needs it more than IAH does. SU used to fly to SFO, was able to lease some 777s from DL, to replace the old Soviet-made planes.....however, when the time was up, DL took the planes back, and SU ended up cancelling the service.


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Reply 144, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10667 times:

AeroFlot at IAH would be nice 4 to 5 times weekly then customer can connect with Aero Mexico going down south or with Delta traveling around America. IAH can't offer any airline room between 12 to 6 sadly due to all the gates booked.

User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 145, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10678 times:

If SU were to fly to IAH, I think like 90% of it would be oil traffic. If they were looking to connect on DL, then flying to ATL would cover that.


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Reply 146, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10667 times:

Yes it would be better to fly to Atlanta but, IAH has business with Moscow as well just saying in general it would be great from there on they can connect to Mexico City or other places in North America via Aero Mexico and Delta. great business for Houston. I know Lufthansa is making alot of Money right now on Business and first class on the A380 there taking UA frankfurt business.

User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10526 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 144):
AeroFlot at IAH would be nice 4 to 5 times weekly then customer can connect with Aero Mexico going down south or with Delta traveling around America. IAH can't offer any airline room between 12 to 6 sadly due to all the gates booked.

Hmmmm...I can see your enthusiasm for AeroFlot as a fresh carrier that would look great on the T-D flightline, BUT I don't see this working well in tandem with a DL connection piece since DL does not have alot of connecting capacity through IAH and feed into AM would also be a small market. Then their is the notion of the competition it will receive with a MUCH better SQ product operating basically the same routing (SVO as opposed to DME). Also, consider SQ's advantage via Star Alliance connecting power of UA domestically as well as to S. America. I don't think AeroFlot would have much of a chance as long as SQ continues to remain in play.


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 148, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 10533 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 146):
Yes it would be better to fly to Atlanta but, IAH has business with Moscow as well just saying in general it would be great from there on they can connect to Mexico City or other places in North America via Aero Mexico and Delta.

SU isnt going to show up at IAH. No way on earth is there room for two carriers on IAH-MOW. There is barely room for one.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10432 times:

But I can totally see IAH being a great skyteam/ Star Hub. A lot of potential in IAH and Houston as a city. Why doesn't Air Canada fly there Airbus to Houston and doesn't have flights from Vancouver to Houston or Edmonton to IAH like United does. I also think flights on Etihad from Abu Dhabi to IAH would be great as well as United or see TAAG or United operating flights from IAH to Luanda. Or flights from Saudi Arabia to IAH direct.

User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 150, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10398 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
Why doesn't Air Canada fly there Airbus to Houston and doesn't have flights from Vancouver to Houston or Edmonton

Well.......probably the same reasons that Avianca, TAM, LAN and others don't, mediocre sized market dominated by a mega-carrier leaving little or no revenue to be made, simple. BTW, AC has used the A320 on the IAH-YYC.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
I also think flights on Etihad from Abu Dhabi to IAH would be great
TK will likely tap what little market viability IAH has left to offer on the Mid-East/Persian Gulf segments

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
TAAG or United operating flights from IAH to Luanda

AFAIK TAAG is banned from serving the US, though things may have changed. Aside form the charter that Atlas offers, I sincerely doubt there is demand for a scheduled IAH-LAD service.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
Or flights from Saudi Arabia to IAH direct.

Now I must admit that this has puzzled me over the years as to why SV had never launched an IAH-Saudi service. I did hear a rumor that a scheduled service was in the planning stages in the 90s, however the flight was given to IAD for whatever reason.. I'll defer to someone far more knowledgeable on the subject.

[Edited 2012-12-03 13:16:15]


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User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10345 times:

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 150):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
I also think flights on Etihad from Abu Dhabi to IAH would be great
TK will likely tap what little market viability IAH has left to offer on the Mid-East/Persian Gulf segments

I second that!!!

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 150):
AFAIK TAAG is banned from serving the US, though things may have changed. Aside form the charter that Atlas offers, I sincerely doubt there is demand for a scheduled IAH-LAD service.

Ditto on this as well...Atlas service is in fact known as the "Houston Express" and is served by a 744 a few times a week and it along with UA's Lagos service is all that the market will likely support since they both cater exclusively to O&G.

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 150):
Now I must admit that this has puzzled me over the years as to why SV had never launched an IAH-Saudi service. I did hear a rumor that a scheduled service was in the planning stages in the 90s, however the flight was given to IAD for whatever reason.. I'll defer to someone far more knowledgeable on the subject.

Saudi Arabian for starters is a Sky Team partner, so its market is going to be limited to what DL & AM would be able to provide as far as through put traffic. That does NOT mean Saudi could not attract added traffic to compliment its mostly O&G clientele. The question that would be most pressing is equipment choice for such a mission? The 773 is presently in the fleet (this really might only be a -300 and not a -300ER), however IF Saudi were to pull the trigger they might be better served to wait until 2015 when the first batch of 789's arrive in providing better range.



[Edited 2012-12-03 14:07:10]

User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 152, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10276 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 149):
A lot of potential in IAH and Houston as a city.

What was a town on the bayou is now a dynamic global city in less than a hundred years. Pretty amazing.
For those who like interactive charts, check out Brookings 2012 global metropolitan monitor, which monitors GDP per capita for the 300 largest metropolitan economies worldwide.
Houston ranked first in USA.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/re...ts/2012/11/30-global-metro-monitor

The future of IAH is strong.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10171 times:

Reason why I see Saudi doing great in Houston is one it will catch all alot of Energy sector business as well as catching the middle eastern and south asian passengers. Plus the mayor of houston recently went to Dammam and talk to some companies that are now opening there HQ in houston. Etihad will do great cause of touisum/ energy traffic. I see a good flight IAH - Accara - Luanda or Via Lagos cause I know Accara is also another Oil city.

User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 154, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10061 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 153):
Etihad will do great cause of touisum/ energy traffic.


What tourism? Texas gets almost no international tourism. Its business place.

[Edited 2012-12-04 07:38:44]


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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 155, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10007 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 153):
Plus the mayor of houston recently went to Dammam and talk to some companies that are now opening there HQ in houston.

Which companies are these? Where will their offices be located? Please give evidence.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 153):
Etihad will do great cause of touisum/ energy traffic.

Touisum? What touisum? And how do you know they will do great? Do you have evidence to back your claims up? Yes, TOURISM can add loads to flight but it does not necessarily generate ideal yields to make a route viable. But as previously mentioned, Houston is more of a business city than a tourist one.

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 153):
I see a good flight IAH - Accara - Luanda or Via Lagos cause I know Accara is also another Oil city.

It's ACCRA. Get it right! As for LAD, the Houston Express takes care of those needs because I believe Songol and the Angolan government sponsors the flight with Atlas Air. If you know someone that works in the Angolan government that can help open the skies for UA to start a IAH-LAD, then by all means work your magic!

Does anyone know what happened to DL's ATL-DKR-LAD flight?



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User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 156, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9998 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 154):
What tourism? Texas gets almost no international tourism. Its business place.

And if he is referring to Texans traveling to the Persian Gulf for pleasure, seriously......? With all due respect to my fellow Texans it has been my observation that we rarely travel (for leisure purposes anyways) beyond Latin America/Caribbean and Europe. I have traveled to some 70 countries on 6 continents and aside from those traveling on business, I have encountered maybe 10 Texans "on holiday" so to speak in a places like Sri Lanka, India, Tanzania or even Australia in the 26 or so years that I have been globetrotting. Most of the Americans that I have met "on the road" tend to be from the West Coast (primarily California) or East Coasters from NY, MA or D.C. Although much of my travels were work related, I am still an traveler at heart so the more far flung and obscure a destination, the more intriguing it becomes.



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User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 157, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9944 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 155):
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 153):
Plus the mayor of houston recently went to Dammam and talk to some companies that are now opening there HQ in houston.

Which companies are these? Where will their offices be located? Please give evidence.

I think he is referring to the Mayor's trip earlier this year in which Saudi Aramco committed to bringing 100 jobs to the Houston area by way of a a new technology center in north Houston made up mostly of scientist positions. Not sure many of these will likely travel that much though and surely not that much of bump in favor of Saudi Arabian to begin dedicated services.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...00-new-jobs-with-Saudi-4029706.php


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 158, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

Further to my response above, I found another Mideast article providing a further summary on what the Trade Commission was about to embark upon prior to making the trip.

Article mentions that Abu Dhabi, Qatar Airways headquarters is in fact a sister city of Houston, which I found interesting as I had not known this before. Adds even more credibility on why Qatar established the link besides the notion of O&G business.

I am wondering if HAS is concerned with Emirates commitment to IAH as the statement below on the surface looks questionable (like their has been some issues between HAS and EK). Maybe its to quell EK's concerns to HAS's level of commitment to it regarding the 10,000sqft of space its wants for a new lounge in T-D as well as the terminal upgrade scheduling? Or perhaps the fact that IAH is interested in luring yet another carrier like Etihad or Saudi Arabian as discussed earlier in this thread? What is the likelihood that EK brings back either the 2nd flight or upguages to the A380 is another question they could / should have inquired about?

"Mr. Diaz commented that the mission was looking to assure partner airlines in the region like Emirates Airlines of Houston's continued commitment to keeping the flights full and profitable."

The Mayor further goes on (below) to indicate below that Houston and Saudi Arabia have more in common than just the O&G industry and that Houston should capitalize on other industries that can further link the two regions together economically.

"As in Houston, while energy is still king, the economies of these countries are diversifying into value-added sectors like health care, logistics/transportation, education and engineering which are also of great concern to us."

http://www.zawya.com/story/Houston_T...dtable_in_GCC-ZAWYA20121120073430/


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 159, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9868 times:

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 158):
Article mentions that Abu Dhabi, Qatar Airways headquarters is in fact a sister city of Houston

Abu Dhabi is a sister-city to Houston, but not the headquarters of QR. I would wager the headquarters of QR is in Doha.  



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 160, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9843 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 154):
What tourism?

Germans and other European cultures have been coming to Texas since the 1800s! The evidence is in the names of cities like Fredericksburg, New Braunfels, and Humble, which were founded by German immigrants, or decendents of those immigrants. Schlitterbahn, the water park, founded by people of German decent, is in New Braunfels. Not only Germans and Europeans, but I have also seen tour groups from all over the world, as well as individuals, all over Houston, not to mention the rest of the state.

Ok. Rant off!  



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 161, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9832 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 159):
Article mentions that Abu Dhabi, Qatar Airways headquarters is in fact a sister city of Houston

Abu Dhabi is a sister-city to Houston, but not the headquarters of QR. I would wager the headquarters of QR is in Doha.  

I think he meant Etihad.  



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 162, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9832 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 160):
Germans and other European cultures have been coming to Texas since the 1800s! The evidence is in the names of cities like Fredericksburg, New Braunfels, and Humble, which were founded by German immigrants, or decendents of those immigrants. Schlitterbahn, the water park, founded by people of German decent, is in New Braunfels. Not only Germans and Europeans, but I have also seen tour groups from all over the world, as well as individuals, all over Houston, not to mention the rest of the state.

Fair enough, but those arent German tourists coming to the state today. What you are refering to was the portion of South and Central Texas that was settled by German immigrants. More evidence of that is on half the radio stations in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and El Paso. Any time you hear an accordian, you should be reminded of the German influence because the Germans introduced them to Texans and Mexicans when they came. I believe the official genre is called Norteno.



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9843 times:

I was referring tourism as in Houston is diverse area a lot of Africans and Asians take Emirates and Qatar to get back to there homeland to visit there home country.

User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 164, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9834 times:

People in those countries come to Houston to visit there families. So that's what I am saying hopefully when Terminal D expansion start will here about some more airliners entering the Houston market because they will have more room for more traffic.

User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7562 posts, RR: 25
Reply 165, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9832 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 164):
People in those countries come to Houston to visit there families. So that's what I am saying hopefully when Terminal D expansion start will here about some more airliners entering the Houston market because they will have more room for more traffic.
Quoting IAH59 (Reply 163):
I was referring tourism as in Houston is diverse area a lot of Africans and Asians take Emirates and Qatar to get back to there homeland to visit there home country.

What you dont seem to understand is that there is zero money in that type of travel. Thats why PIA couldnt make IAH work, thats why VN cant make anywhere in the US work, thats why TG cant make anywhere other than LA work (and I have a it on good that flight loses lots of money), and thats why ORD, JFK, and EWR account for 45% of AI's total losses.

Even then, IAH-Africa is almost entirely centered on LOS. Outside of LOS and LAD, there isnt much of a market to Africa from IAH.



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 166, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9752 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 1):
Why would IAH expand for the Rio World Cup and Olympics?

UAL did have extra flights in the 2008 Olympics out of JFK and LAX to PEK....but that was only because NBC chartered them.


User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3940 posts, RR: 22
Reply 167, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9718 times: