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OAG Changes 11/30/2012: B6/WN/DL Big MEM Cut  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11280 times:

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

AC MDT-YYZ JAN 1.8>1.6
AC MIA-YUL JAN 1.0>0.8
AC PBI-YYZ JAN 2>1.7
AC PHX-YYZ JAN 2>1.9
AC PVD-YYZ JAN 1.6>1.5
AC PWM-YYZ JAN 1.7>1.6
AC RIC-YYZ JAN 1.7>1.6
AC ROC-YYZ JAN 1.7>1.6
AC SYR-YYZ JAN 1.7>1.6

AF DTW-CDG JAN 0.8>0.7

AM LAX-LTO JAN 0.2>0
AM LRD-MTY JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
AM MIA-MEX JAN 5>4
AM SMF-GDL JAN 0.7>0.9

B6 BOS-BUF MAY 4>5
B6 BOS-BWI MAY 5>6
B6 BOS-EWR MAY 5>6
B6 BOS-JAX MAY 1.0>2
Interesting
*B6 BOS-LAS MAR 1.8>3 APR 1.9>3 MAY 2>3
B6 BOS-NAS MAR 1.0>1.2 APR 1.0>1.2
B6 BOS-PDX MAR 0.4>0.2 APR 1.0>0.6
*B6 BOS-PIT MAY 3>4
B6 BOS-PUJ MAR 0.5>0.6
B6 BOS-RIC MAY 2>3
B6 BOS-SAN MAY 1.0>1.9
B6 BOS-SJC APR 1.0>0.5
B6 BOS-SJU MAR 3>4
B6 HPN-NAS APR 0.9>0.8
B6 JFK-AUS MAR 2>3
B6 JFK-BGI MAR 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-BTV APR 4>3
B6 JFK-LIR APR 1.0>0.8
B6 JFK-PBI MAR 8>7 APR 8>7
B6 JFK-PLS FEB 1.2>1.4 MAR 1.1>1.2
B6 JFK-PUJ FEB 1.4>1.9 MAR 1.4>1.6 APR 1.1>1.5
B6 MCO-SJU FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6 APR 7>6
B6 SJU-SDQ FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3

*DL ATL-LHR APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
DL GUM-NRT JUL 3>4
DL ISN-MSP MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2.0>3
DL JFK-IAD JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
*DL JFK-KEF MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.9
DL JFK-RSW APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
DL LGA-BGR MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
Wow, here comes the axe we expected...About 21 more...
*DL MEM-BHM JAN 3>0.1 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
*DL MEM-BNA JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-FLL APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7
*DL MEM-JAN JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.5 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-JAX JAN 1.6>0.1 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0
*DL MEM-LAX FEB 2.0>1.4 MAR 3>1.3 APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>1.4 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-LIT JAN 1.6>0.9 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-MCI JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-MCO MAY 3>1.8
*DL MEM-RDU JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-SAT MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-SEA JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
*DL MEM-SFO JUL 0.8>0
*DL MEM-STL JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-TUL JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-TYS JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
DL MSP-YVR JAN 2.0>1.8 FEB 1.9>1.8
DL ROR-NRT APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3
DL SLC-BOS MAR 1.0>1.9
DL SLC-YVR APR 1.6>1.8 MAY 1.5>1.8
DL SLC-YYC JAN 1.8>1.7

K5 EAT-YKM DEC 1.5>0.7 JAN 1.6>0 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.5>0 APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.5>0 JUL 1.6>0
K5 PDX-YKM DEC 1.5>0.7 JAN 1.6>0 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.5>0 APR 1.6>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.5>0 JUL 1.6>0

LA MHC-PMC MAR 0.1>0.6

LW BRL-ORD DEC 0>2
LW BRL-STL DEC 0>1.7
LW DEC-ORD DEC 0>3
LW DEC-STL DEC 0>3
LW JBR-STL DEC 0>3

LY JFK-TLV APR 2.0>1.8


*NK ATL-DFW FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>1.8
NK DFW-LAS FEB 2>3 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
*NK DFW-PDX JAN 1.0>0.2 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0.2
*NK DFW-TLC JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0.2

SY DFW-CUN MAR 0.3>0.4

UA CLE-BTV MAY 1.5>1.0
UA CLE-MCO JUL 3>2
*UA CLE-PWM MAY 0>0.7 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
UA DEN-ABQ MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
UA DEN-ASE MAY 7>5
UA DEN-BOS MAY 4>3
UA DEN-MAF MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
UA DEN-MEM MAY 1.9>1.0
UA DEN-PSP MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
UA DEN-PVR MAY 0.4>0.3
UA DEN-SJD MAY 0.3>0.4
UA EWR-ANU MAY 0.4>0.3
*UA EWR-BZE MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1
UA EWR-PUJ MAY 1.0>1.3
UA EWR-PVR MAY 0.1>0.3
UA EWR-SJD MAY 0.3>0.4
UA EWR-SXM MAY 1.0>0.8
UA IAD-BGM MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
UA IAD-CUN MAY 0.5>0.7
UA IAH-GCM MAY 0.7>1.0
UA IAH-RTB MAY 0.5>0.7
UA IAH-SJD MAY 1.8>1.7
UA ORD-ANC MAY 0>0.6 JUN 0.8>1.0
UA ORD-SJD MAY 0.1>0.3
UA SFO-HNL MAR 4>5 APR 4>5

US CLT-YUL FEB 1.7>1.3 MAR 1.8>1.0 APR 1.9>1.6
US PHX-HNL APR 1.6>1.7
US PHX-KOA APR 0.9>0.7
US PHX-KOA APR 0.9>0.7

WN/FL combined 2013 vs. 2012
WN ABQ-ELP MAY 1.8>0 JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.9>0
WN ABQ-STL MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
WN ABQ-TUS MAY 2.0>1.0 JUN 2>0.0 JUL 2>0
WN ALB-MCO JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.1
Looks like ATL is down around 20 RTs YOY
WN ATL-AUA MAY 1.0>0.6 JUN 0.3>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.6
WN ATL-BKG MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
WN ATL-BWI MAY 10>9 JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10
WN ATL-CLT MAY 3>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0
WN ATL-CUN JUL 3>2
WN ATL-DEN JUN 5>4 JUL 6>4
WN ATL-FNT MAY 3>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0
WN ATL-HOU JUN 9>8 JUL 10>8
WN ATL-LAS MAY 5>4
WN ATL-LAX JUL 5>4
Wow, Delta must be happy. The "hub" is disintegrating.
*WN ATL-LGA MAY 9>8 JUN 9>6 JUL 9>6
WN ATL-MCO MAY 11>10
WN ATL-MDW JUN 11>10 JUL 12>10
WN ATL-MEM MAY 4>5
WN ATL-MSY JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN ATL-ORF MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3
WN ATL-PHL MAY 5>4
WN ATL-PHX MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>1.9
WN ATL-RDU MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN ATL-ROC MAY 2>0 JUN 2.0>0 JUL 2>0
WN ATL-SDF MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3
WN ATL-SEA MAY 1.0>0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
WN ATL-SFO MAY 3>2
WN ATL-SJU MAY 3>1.3
WN AUS-CUN MAY 0.1>0.4
WN AUS-DAL JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11
WN AUS-DCA MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN AUS-ELP JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN AUS-EWR MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN AUS-LBB JUN 1.7>1.0 JUL 1.7>1.0
WN AUS-MDW JUL 2>3
WN BDL-RSW MAY 0>0.9
WN BHM-BNA MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
WN BHM-JAX JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
WN BHM-MSY JUN 1.8>0.0 JUL 1.9>0
WN BHM-PHX MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
WN BKG-DAL MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN BKG-HOU JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2
WN BNA-BOS MAY 0>1.8 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.9
WN BNA-BWI MAY 7>6
WN BNA-EWR MAY 0>2 JUN 0>1.9 JUL 0>1.9
WN BNA-FLL MAY 2>3
WN BNA-LGA MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN BNA-MSY MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
WN BNA-SAN MAY 1.9>1.0
WN BOI-PDX MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2.0>0
WN BOS-MCI MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.9
WN BOS-MCO JUN 0.1>1.8 JUL 0>1.9
WN BOS-MKE JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN BOS-RSW MAY 1.0>0
WN BUF-BWI MAY 7>6
WN BUR-DEN MAY 1.9>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
WN BWI-AUA MAY 0.3>0.7 JUN 0.3>0.7 JUL 0.3>0.7
WN BWI-BDA MAY 1.0>0.3
WN BWI-CLT MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN BWI-CUN MAY 1.3>2 JUN 1.2>2 JUL 1.1>2
WN BWI-ECP MAY 2>1.1
WN BWI-EWR MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
WN BWI-FLL MAY 8>11 JUN 8>11 JUL 7>11
WN BWI-FNT MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3
WN BWI-GRR JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN BWI-ISP JUL 6>5
WN BWI-LAX JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>1.9
WN BWI-LGA MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
WN BWI-MBJ MAY 1.0>1.6 JUN 1.3>2 JUL 1.3>2
WN BWI-MCO JUN 13>11 JUL 13>11
WN BWI-PUJ MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN BWI-PVD MAY 9>8
WN BWI-ROC MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN BWI-SEA JUN 3>1.8 JUL 3>1.8
WN BWI-SJU JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4
WN BWI-TPA JUN 9>7 JUL 9>7
WN CAK-DEN MAY 0>1.0
WN CAK-MDW MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.9
WN CLT-HOU MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN CLT-MDW MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN CMH-MCO MAY 4>3
WN CMH-TPA JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN DAL-HRL MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>2.0 JUL 0>2
WN DAL-ICT JUN 0>1.9 JUL 0>2
WN DAL-MAF MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
WN DAL-MSY MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
WN DAL-OKC JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN DAL-SAT JUN 13>12 JUL 13>12
WN DAY-DEN MAY 0>1.0
WN DAY-TPA MAY 0.1>1.0 JUN 0.2>1.1 JUL 0.1>1.1
WN DCA-STL MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN DEN-CUN JUL 0.7>1.0
WN DEN-EWR MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2
WN DEN-FLL JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2.0>1.1
WN DEN-LGA MAY 0>2

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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11330 times:

WN DEN-MKE MAY 3>1.8 JUN 3>2.0 JUL 3>2
WN DEN-RDU JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2.0
WN DEN-SDF MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN DEN-SMF JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
WN DSM-MDW MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN DTW-LAS MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN ECP-HOU MAY 2>3
WN ECP-MCO MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2>0
WN ECP-STL MAY 0>1.0
WN ELP-PHX JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
WN EWR-HOU MAY 1.9>3 JUL 1.9>3
WN EWR-MSY MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN EWR-PHX MAY 2.0>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
WN EYW-MSY MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN FLL-ISP JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.1
WN FLL-MCO MAY 5>0 JUN 5>0 JUL 4>0
WN FLL-MSY MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
WN FLL-SJU MAY 0.5>2.0
WN FLL-TPA MAY 7>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
WN FNT-TPA MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0.1>1.0 JUL 0.1>1.0
WN GEG-PDX MAY 2>0 JUN 2>0 JUL 2.0>0
WN HOU-HRL MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN HOU-IND MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.9
WN HOU-JAN JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN HOU-JAX JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8
WN HOU-LGA JUN 0>1.9 JUL 0>2
WN HOU-MAF MAY 1.7>3 JUL 1.8>3
WN HOU-MCI MAY 1.0>1.7 JUL 1.0>1.7
WN HOU-MDW MAY 6>7
WN HOU-PHL MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.8>0 JUL 1.9>0
WN HOU-PIT MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN HOU-RDU MAY 1.0>1.7 JUL 1.0>1.7
WN HOU-SNA MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN HRL-SAT MAY 1.7>0.9 JUN 1.7>1.0 JUL 1.7>1.0
WN IAD-MDW MAY 6>5
WN ICT-LAS JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN ICT-MDW JUN 0>1.9 JUL 0>2
WN IND-MCO JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
WN IND-MDW MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0
WN IND-RSW MAY 0.3>2
WN IND-TPA MAY 4>3 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN ISP-PBI MAY 3>2
WN JAX-ORF JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 1.8>1.0
WN LAS-MAF MAY 1.0>1.7 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8
WN LAS-MDW MAY 10>9 JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9
WN LAS-MHT MAY 1.0>0
WN LAS-MKE MAY 5>3 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN LAS-PHX JUN 13>12 JUL 13>12
WN LAS-PVD MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
WN LAS-SEA MAY 5>4
WN LAS-SLC MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
WN LAS-SNA MAY 7>8
WN LAS-TUS JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN LAX-MCI MAY 1.9>3
WN LAX-MKE MAY 1.9>1.0
WN LAX-PHX JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9
WN LAX-TUS MAY 5>4 JUN 5>3 JUL 5>3
WN LGA-MDW MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
WN LGA-MKE MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN LGA-STL MAY 0>2.0 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN LIT-STL MAY 1.7>1.0 JUN 1.8>0.0 JUL 1.9>0
WN MCI-MSP MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2.0
WN MCI-MSY MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN MCO-MBJ MAY 1.0>0.7
WN MCO-MDW JUN 10>11
WN MCO-MKE JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN MCO-PHL MAY 7>6
WN MCO-ROC MAY 1.0>1.9 JUN 1.0>2.0 JUL 1.0>2
WN MCO-RSW MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 4>0
WN MCO-SAT MAY 2.0>1.0
WN MCO-SJU MAY 4>3 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
WN MCO-STL JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
WN MDW-CUN MAY 0>2 JUN 0.9>1.0
WN MDW-MHT JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN MDW-MSY JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
WN MDW-OKC MAY 0>1.9 JUN 0.9>1.7 JUL 1.0>1.7
WN MDW-PVD JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN MDW-ROC MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2
WN MDW-SFO MAY 3>2
WN MDW-TUL JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN MHT-TPA JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.1
WN MKE-MSP MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN MKE-MSY JUN 0.1>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WN MKE-PHX MAY 4>3 JUN 4>2 JUL 3>2.0
WN MKE-RSW MAY 1.2>2
WN MKE-SEA JUN 1.8>1.0 JUL 1.9>1.0
WN MKE-SFO MAY 2>1.0
WN MSY-STL MAY 1.0>1.7 JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.9
WN MSY-TPA JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
WN OAK-ONT MAY 8>7
WN OAK-RNO MAY 3>1.9 JUN 3>0.1 JUL 3>0
WN OAK-SEA MAY 7>6
WN OAK-SNA MAY 7>8
WN OMA-PHX JUN 2>1.2 JUL 2>1.1
WN ORF-TPA MAY 1.0>0.1 JUN 1.0>0.0 JUL 1.0>0
WN PBI-TPA MAY 4>0 JUN 4>0 JUL 3>0
WN PDX-RNO MAY 3>2.0 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2.0
WN PDX-SLC MAY 3>2.0 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
WN PHL-PHX JUN 1.9>1.1 JUL 2.0>1.1
WN PHL-RDU MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
WN PHL-TPA JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
WN PHX-SMF MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
WN PHX-SNA MAY 8>7
WN PHX-TUL MAY 2.0>1.0
WN PIT-TPA MAY 2.0>3 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
WN RDU-STL JUN 1.0>1.8 JUL 1.0>1.8
WN RNO-SLC MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
WN RSW-STL MAY 1.0>1.8
WN SAN-SMF JUN 10>9 JUL 10>9
WN SAN-STL MAY 0>1.0
WN SAT-CUN MAY 0.2>0.4
WN SAT-MEX MAY 0.3>1.0
WN SAT-STL MAY 0>1.8 JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>1.8
WN SEA-SLC MAY 3>2
WN SFO-SNA MAY 6>7
WN SJC-SNA MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
WN SJU-TPA MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0
WN SMF-SNA MAY 6>7
WN SNA-MEX MAY 0>1.0
WN SNA-SJD MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0.9>2.0 JUL 1.0>2
WN TPA-SJU MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0 JUL 2>1.0


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11304 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, here comes the axe we expected...About 21 more...
*DL MEM-BHM JAN 3>0.1 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0
*DL MEM-BNA JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-FLL APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.7
*DL MEM-JAN JAN 3>1.7 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.5 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-JAX JAN 1.6>0.1 FEB 1.6>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0 JUN 1.7>0 JUL 1.7>0
*DL MEM-LAX FEB 2.0>1.4 MAR 3>1.3 APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>1.4 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-LIT JAN 1.6>0.9 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-MCI JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-MCO MAY 3>1.8
*DL MEM-RDU JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-SAT MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-SEA JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
*DL MEM-SFO JUL 0.8>0
*DL MEM-STL JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*DL MEM-TUL JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.7>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8 JUN 1.7>0.8 JUL 1.7>0.9
*DL MEM-TYS JAN 3>1.6 FEB 3>1.6 MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7

I think the only reason they don't go down to 20RTs right now is the exit stream of CRJs. I think this takes them from 80 to 60 rts, but I'm not sure that is exactly accurate.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16946 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11262 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*NK DFW-TLC JAN 1.0>0.3 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0.2

That had to be dreadful. Like a daily flight in the middle of the night to ISP 



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User currently offlinekrsw757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11187 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-RSW APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

So was this route only meant to be seasonal? Doesn't even start for a few more weeks.


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1564 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11141 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 2):
I think the only reason they don't go down to 20RTs right now is the exit stream of CRJs. I think this takes them from 80 to 60 rts, but I'm not sure that is exactly accurate.

According to the other threads, this latest cut leaves MEM at just over 90 daily departures (down from 110+).

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LW BRL-ORD DEC 0>2
LW BRL-STL DEC 0>1.7
LW DEC-ORD DEC 0>3
LW DEC-STL DEC 0>3
LW JBR-STL DEC 0>3

Anyone have any info about this? I've been doing some searching and can't seem to find any news about one of the Pacific Wings carriers taking over these routes from Air Choice One (which operates them under the 3E/Weber code).


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11046 times:

Quoting steex (Reply 5):

The only thing I could find was this:

http://m.herald-review.com/news/loca...2-02e5-11e2-a365-0019bb2963f4.html

"CEO Shane Storz said the airline has found a way to establish electronic ticketing and baggage transitions with major airlines, enabling a more seamless experience for passengers connecting to a larger carrier in Chicago or St. Louis. He made the announcement at the Decatur Park District Board of Commissioners’ regular meeting Wednesday.

Such agreements are difficult for small airlines to establish with large carriers, Storz said, and he has experienced challenges trying to do so over the past few years. He said he was essentially leasing the access through an agreement with Hawaii-based Pacific Wings Holdings."

So maybe Air Choice One flights are simply operating under Pacific Wings Holdings' code?


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11028 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
That had to be dreadful. Like a daily flight in the middle of the night to ISP 
Quoting krsw757 (Reply 4):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL JFK-RSW APR 1.0>0.2 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

So was this route only meant to be seasonal? Doesn't even start for a few more weeks.
Quoting steex (Reply 5):
According to the other threads, this latest cut leaves MEM at just over 90 daily departures (down from 110+).

I only see 82rts in December before this cut even happens. I think part of the difference is that DL is basically flying everything 5/week or less. My numbers of monthly average. The "daily flights" they are referring to is probably the number of departures on MON and FRI.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11003 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-BOS MAR 1.0>1.9

Spring Break seems like theyshould have no problem filling the seats

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-YVR APR 1.6>1.8 MAY 1.5>1.8
DL SLC-YYC JAN 1.8>1.7

DL loves to tweek these routes so often its rediculous


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11007 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-KEF MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.9

This route always does horrible. Does Icelandair have service to JFK?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-LAX FEB 2.0>1.4 MAR 3>1.3 APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>1.4 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-SEA JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
*DL MEM-SFO JUL 0.8>0

Jeeez.....two Asian gateways slashed and one down to the bare minimum. I wonder if AS will come into MEM at all...



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User currently offlinergreenftm From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10959 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN ATL-SEA MAY 1.0>0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 2>1.0

What's with WN cutting ATL-SEA completely for only 1 month? It seems that WN is cutting SEA flights across the board some in May - ATL, BWI, OAK, SLC, MKE, LAS


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10917 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-KEF MAY 0.3>0 JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.9

This route always does horrible. Does Icelandair have service to JFK?

Double daily in the Summer and single in Winter. DL probably thought they'd push FI out easily and eliminate a pricing problem. Not working out so far.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-LAX FEB 2.0>1.4 MAR 3>1.3 APR 3>1.4 MAY 3>1.4 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.7
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-SEA JUN 0.7>0 JUL 1.0>0
*DL MEM-SFO JUL 0.8>0

Jeeez.....two Asian gateways slashed and one down to the bare minimum. I wonder if AS will come into MEM at all...

AS in MEM? That's not planned is it? I'd be shocked.

Quoting rgreenftm (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN ATL-SEA MAY 1.0>0 JUN 3>1.0 JUL 2>1.0

What's with WN cutting ATL-SEA completely for only 1 month? It seems that WN is cutting SEA flights across the board some in May - ATL, BWI, OAK, SLC, MKE, LAS

WN is just cutting ATL right and left.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10832 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MHC-PMC MAR 0.1>0.6

I do not know why this route continues to pop up in this thread. MHC-PMC is a domestic route in Chile.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1446 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10806 times:

NK isn't doing so well in DFW
I predict that ATL will rue the day WN bought FL.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10769 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
AS in MEM? That's not planned is it? I'd be shocked.

MEM wouldn't be first on my list of cities that I expect AS to expand to next. However, MCI and SAT weren't either, so stranger things have happened.

Any AS people know if MEM is anywhere in AS's sights?


User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2726 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10759 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
I predict that ATL will rue the day WN bought FL.

I know the folks at the DL Headquarters couldn't be more happier about the FL acquisition. More airplanes and a slash of competition at your fortress. What a deal.



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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10612 times:

WN LAS-MHT is coming back, not leaving. It's seasonal, though.

User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10538 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 16):
WN LAS-MHT is coming back, not leaving. It's seasonal, though.

I believe it comes back June 1st, which is why it shows up as 0 for the month of May.


User currently offlinebeechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10379 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):

"NK isn't doing so well in DFW"

How do you figure that NK isn't doing well DFW? TLC and PDX go down to seasonal, not operating starting in Jaunary '13 but returning in april of '13. LAS and ATL each get an additional daily frequency (LAS in Jan, ATL in FEB). That looks like no loss of frequency FEB-APR and net addition of 2 flights when TLC and PDX return in April. An overall addition of flights seem to indicate that they are doing pretty good.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 JFK-BGI MAR 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-LIR APR 1.0>0.8

B6 not the only one struggling in LIR lately....CM is too. There was a rush of capacity into LIR (including existing carriers increasing frequencies) and the market just cannot absorb it. Yields are being trashed. I predict you will see lots of cuts at LIR until demand catches up.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA EWR-BZE MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1

Finally, someone wakes up and sees that there is some decent VFR on NYC-BZE (esp during the summer) . DL has been mining it (via ATL). B6 has been ignoring it. UA is going to give it a shot. I predict that it will do well if UA can convince the hoards of Belizeans living in Queens. Brooklyn and Long Island that they should take the train over to EWR.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
I know the folks at the DL Headquarters couldn't be more happier about the FL acquisition. More airplanes and a slash of competition at your fortress. What a deal.
Maybe there was a handshake and a wink?



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10320 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
LA MHC-PMC MAR 0.1>0.6

I do not know why this route continues to pop up in this thread. MHC-PMC is a domestic route in Chile.

One of the cities must be marked as a U.S. city. Nothing I can do about it as it's not something I can alter.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):

NK isn't doing so well in DFW

I wouldn't say that. Compared to all the stuff they've added and cut, DFW has moved backward pretty infrequently. They also backfilled the two cut departures with two other flights. I think they are committed to DFW. Given the company's overall results and their shrinking in FLL, it would imply DFW is doing pretty well.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
I predict that ATL will rue the day WN bought FL.

Easy prediction. I'm sure they do already.

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
I predict that ATL will rue the day WN bought FL.

I know the folks at the DL Headquarters couldn't be more happier about the FL acquisition. More airplanes and a slash of competition at your fortress. What a deal.

I'll keep saying this. The end results will be the same as if DL had bought FL and been forced to shed some gates in ATL to WN by DOJ. That's how much of a win this was for DL. WN just gifted them hundreds of millions of dollars and a whole fleet of airplanes. WN doesn't look too smart in all of that.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3762 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10279 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, Delta must be happy. The "hub" is disintegrating.

DL planning are probably doing cart wheels and back flips, summersaults..etc. Personally, I think they should do a champagne toast at every WN schedule release until the hub is officially gone.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 13):
NK isn't doing so well in DFW

Are you basing that statement on all of the rapid growth there?

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
I'll keep saying this. The end results will be the same as if DL had bought FL and been forced to shed some gates in ATL to WN by DOJ. That's how much of a win this was for DL. WN just gifted them hundreds of millions of dollars and a whole fleet of airplanes. WN doesn't look too smart in all of that.

  


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10238 times:

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
I know the folks at the DL Headquarters couldn't be more happier about the FL acquisition. More airplanes and a slash of competition at your fortress. What a deal.
Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
WN is just cutting ATL right and left.
Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
That's how much of a win this was for DL. WN just gifted them hundreds of millions of dollars and a whole fleet of airplanes. WN doesn't look too smart in all of that.

I think you all need to slow down and wait. WN is doing something very difficult and it takes time. We are seeing many cuts in ATL right now but none of you know what the future for WN in ATL will bring. When all of this is done WN could be just as large as FL was in ATL if not larger just serving it differently. Many of you are calling this merger a failure, its not done, you are way to early to call it a failure.



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User currently offlineclrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10142 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-BOS MAY 4>3

This route consistently seems to go back and forth between 3 and 4 flights a day. I took this route last year when flying BOS-LAS and during May of 2012 it was at 4x day, now May 2013 it's down to 3. Does UA struggle on the route?


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16946 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10142 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 22):
When all of this is done WN could be just as large as FL was in ATL if not larger just serving it differently.

Doubtful--FL was bigger in ATL in terms of departures than just about any WN hub, with the exception of LAS where it clearly dominates. FL was able to do that on a cost advantage, which it will no longer have once it is WN.

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
Given the company's overall results and their shrinking in FLL, it would imply DFW is doing pretty well.

  



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25 PSU.DTW.SCE : Those are such minor changes in the grand scheme of everything. DL tweaks their capacity and tailors their schedule down the to the day of the week.
26 PHX787 : Agreed, I don't see it either, but it seems like SEA would be a lucritive market for MEM. I mean, besides LAX, how are these people going to get to A
27 redzeppelin : West coast via SLC, Asia via MSP, DTW or maybe ATL or JFK. The same way that people in most spoke markets get to those get to those destinations. The
28 MasseyBrown : This has been seasonal service for a number of years. The *surprise would be if UA didn't do it.
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : Exactly. MEM is no different and in fact has less O&D service than many much larger airports that do not have service to Asia or more than a few
30 tommy767 : Nah it's all part of the merger. There isn't as much connecting traffic needed to go into DEN when it seems like UA likes to filter BOS pax via EWR.
31 enilria : No doubt. They should cater the Thursday night party on WN's HQ party deck in perpetuity. Well, I think most of the planners at WN will tell you that
32 airliner371 : LAS, MDW and BWI are all larger then ATL ever was at FL and continue to grow. This frequency cut or any on a major route is not a huge surprise nor a
33 N766UA : When did Portland get cut?
34 bobloblaw : Incorrect. About 4-5 years ago FL was close to 250 departures/weekday at ATL. That is certainly larger than WN in LAS and BWI and was at the time at
35 MaverickM11 : MDW yes, BWI no; I'm not sure any of them are consistently growing either.
36 FL787 : Not true. FL at ATL got as high as ~270 flights which is larger than any WN city ever has been. At the time of the merger only MDW and LAS were large
37 sdoyon : From day 1 they said there were going to wind-down ATL by at least 13%. I think ATL will be around STL-sized: 100. Do I have any evidence? Not a shre
38 airliner371 : Alright, let me rephrase this. LAS, MDW and BWI are all larger then ATL was at FL at the time the acquisition was announced and yes, MDW and BWI cont
39 OzarkD9S : WN doesn't need ATL to the extent FL did. WN's been overflying ATL very successfully until very recently. ATL will be an important station for WN, bu
40 MaverickM11 : In SEP10 when the acquisition was announced WN had 160+/- daily deps at BWI, while FL had 200+/- in ATL. Combined WN/FL BWI is down about 10 daily de
41 RWA380 : Anyone here surprised? I am so amazed that K5 is still operating anything here at PDX, wonder how long PDT stays? And for those who say that other ca
42 HPRamper : More destinations, highly arguable. Certainly not more nonstop destinations. And many of the former FL destinations are in the process of being close
43 mtnwest1979 : Just as long as the EAS money keeps coming in. If the OTH and PDT routes end for whatever reason, be kind of a misnomer for the airline who's closest
44 PlanesNTrains : They'll probably make better use of the LGA slots by spreading out the departures to more destinations than by having so many to ATL. Certainly ATL i
45 MSPNWA : ATL-LGA is currently all 717 for FL. A drop to 6x 737s is not a large drop in capacity, especially if any 738s are involved. Anyway, FL is not making
46 airliner371 : Thank You, I completely agree, 100%. Absolutely. I am comparing the solo FL ATL to the current SWA/FL because with WN it is restructuring and we are
47 Post contains images ouboy79 : Interesting to see the various takes on WN's plans for ATL. We'll see how it plays out. It is apparent many making the comments are on the outside.
48 enilria : That's why cutting LGA is very interesting. It's a major O&D. Of those I'm betting you only see SAT and seasonal SAN. I'm betting none of those g
49 Atrude777 : STL..TWA. WN entered in 1985 in the busiest of when TWA was expanding in STL with Ozark Merger. Look who is around in STL still...TWA is gone, AA lef
50 Post contains images airliner371 : No, its not. You can not base this on what they are doing now because they are just starting. Unless you are high in the network planning department
51 Post contains images wnflyguy : WN acquired FL to kill off LCC competition on the east coast PERIOD. ATL , international flying and a dozen new markets are just the benefits. Anyone
52 iowaman : As far as ATL goes I'm sure it will always have the core stations connected to it. Routes like ATL-SFO/SEA tie up vaiuable aircraft and aren't strong
53 Post contains images MaverickM11 : You lost me...you're comparing past FL ATL departures to past WN/FL? Regardless the point is WN has very few hubs that are larger in departures than
54 Post contains images airliner371 : I think that is a fair estimate. I agree, though that is not necessarily bad. Lets see how next year goes with the natural employee count reduction.
55 PHX787 : I forgot about DTW but isn't there more selection at LAX and SEA, or am I mistaken?
56 mfe777 : AeroMexico adds another TX border city, complementing their MTY-Brownsville service a few hours down the river. Still surprised they have not added M
57 MaverickM11 : Regardless, WN doesn't have an advantage on DL in terms of product. And any current or likely WN market from ATL is already overserved by DL by the h
58 bobloblaw : Well if youre talking about inflight entertainment, I dont think that is an issue when choosing a carrier for the vast majority of pax. If it was, AS
59 Sevensixtyseven : What???? I know ELP was going away, STL was seasonal as it was..but TUS? I would have expected that TUS-ABQ-XXX made sense, to DAL and other stations
60 Post contains images ocracoke : I dont know how you can say this summer seasonal route always does horrible, when it has only been flown for what, 1 or 2 years now? If DL had been f
61 twincommander : this is exactly it. piss poor managment that keeps getting government hand outs - what a business strategy. if you dont think that pac wings or air c
62 MSPNWA : To me they do. Really it's a subjective matter. I generally prefer WN over all the legacies both on the ground and in the air. Well they can't "go af
63 OzarkD9S : One could argue: STL...AA. The first big round of cuts AA made to STL were in WN served markets. By then TWA was gone. More destinations in the WN ne
64 michman : That may be WN's reputation, but the statistics tell a different story. The latest DOT stats for the past 12 months have DL beating WN in both on-tim
65 Post contains images enilria : TWA merged with AA. AA closed the hub, not TW. To put some actual data behind your claim, WN had 81 departures per day in Summer 2011 right before th
66 Cubsrule : Of course, those statistics are misleading in that they do not include numbers such as Expresjet's 81.5 percent on time arrival rate or Skywest's 83.
67 enilria : There was under 100 mainline departures after 2008. There is no official date on when the hub was closed. It was clearly "clos-ing" at that point. Th
68 Cubsrule : No, I agree with your point. The hub closing and what WN was doing were largely independent of each other except that some routes that WN flew were c
69 MaverickM11 : The amenities don't drive many buying decisions; the scope and depth of the network, however, do, and DL beats them 10 to 1 in ATL. WN can only attra
70 Cubsrule : For ATL originating passengers, that's probably true. For passengers originating in cities where WN is a bigger player, I don't know. But to the larg
71 steex : Very true. There was a period of time where larger regional markets from STL were basically an either/or for service between AA and WN. If I recall,
72 cessna2 : The business community will be happy about this! I guess WN's test of a second daily RDU-DEN route in June proved a good idea. With the discontinuati
73 MaverickM11 : Of course it's not the goal--I don't think WN can grow enough to become problematic for DL in the way it was/is for F9/UA in DEN, for example. The re
74 Cubsrule : Where is WN having trouble competing ex-NYC or BOS?
75 MaverickM11 : PHL, PIT, IAD, CLE, SLC, PBI, MHT...
76 iowaman : Entirely too short with a non-existent O&D market. DTW and BOI could also be added to the list.
77 WA707atMSP : I would not lump Air Choice One in with SeaPort. Air Choice One's management has not entered / exited markets the way SeaPort has; they have taken th
78 airliner371 : People (not just you) seem to have this opinion that if WN isn't growing or if they are cutting flights they are automatically in trouble. They are j
79 Cubsrule : When did WN fly from NYC or BOS to any of those places?
80 panamair : DL has run JFK-KEF at 5x weekly since it first started. Looks like they have loaded the flight as 6x weekly now during summer peak, which is more fre
81 MaverickM11 : Right sizing because they weren't doing well in them--airlines don't "right size" profitable flying. Oh I thought you meant excluding NYC/BOS, but BO
82 enilria : Agreed WN has basically sucked in the whole PacNW, while winning in SoCal by a wide margin IMHO. Well, they are turning into a hub and spoke airline.
83 Post contains images PHX787 : The ever-rumored express train line should take over this role Like that would ever happen though. I think that TUS is fine with it's US Airways Expr
84 steex : There is more capacity and more individual markets are served from DTW, though it's not by as large a margin as it was previously since they've subtr
85 Cubsrule : It's hard for me to argue that cuts in EWR/LGA are a sign of failure as long as WN continues to fly all of its slots. We can probably all agree that
86 iowaman : That's how I read it as well. My apologies TUS has struggled greatly with any type of non-stop service to the east coast and has quite the history wi
87 MaverickM11 : The slots provide an added incentive to try new/different things. Plus WN needs to be in WN and BOS and NYC in the longrun; I don't see them going an
88 Cubsrule : . . . just as B6 has trouble competing in places like Chicago. I'm not sure how this truth somehow spells doom and gloom for WN. If your point is tha
89 MaverickM11 : Exactly...it's the same situation in reverse It's not that it is small but that it is not bringing anything unique to a hypercompetitive market. NYCB
90 Cubsrule : I think folks in Saint Louis and Nashville would probably not agree with your premise that WN "brings nothing" to their choices to New York. BWI is,
91 LAXdude1023 : Im all for this if it means AM can get a better foothold in DFW.
92 MaverickM11 : I'm not so sure, they both already have AA/UA/DL trying to duke it out in those markets, so the local market may still be just as rough
93 airliner371 : [see below] You took these words right out of my mouth. NYC-BWI is your only example in NYC. LGA-MKE is now all 737 instead of 717 so the capacity is
94 usflyguy : And FL's entire network basically revolved around ATL. WN has a much larger network where that everything doesn't have to go through ATL. Exactly why
95 MaverickM11 : It's not, but it's representative of most of the other examples In other words, EWRPHX didn't work at twice daily. Perhaps, although I haven't seen t
96 Post contains images airliner371 : Just like you heard DSM was doing bad... So he said that 2 conference calls ago. I'll repeat it again, he said that 2 conference calls ago. Then come
97 Cubsrule : Obviously, with the fact that WN is new to LGA and BOS makes it a bit difficult to assess this in those markets. But almost every time I fly BNA-BWI
98 airliner371 : I fly LGA-BWI very often because it is a lot cheaper then the shuttle and all you have to do is take Amtrak to Union Station for $11, its so convenie
99 MaverickM11 : Yeah that doesn't really happen, ever, certainly not at carriers with hundreds of planes and a low single digit profit margin at best
100 airliner371 : Yeah, that never happens, coming from the one who continues to bash Southwest. I'm done with this conversation because all it is is you trying to mak
101 Post contains images OA412 : You really think that is just Maverick's opinion? In spite of the spin that you see on this site, airlines do not drop profitable routes. Ever. They
102 Cubsrule : I have no facts one way or the other regarding EWRPHX, but I can at least see the possibility that an airline with a small number of slots at a slot
103 FlyASAGuy2005 : I tried to start a thread about this but didn't have a written source so the post was yanked.. By what measure does it do "horrible?" The simple fact
104 Cubsrule : Interestingly, though, DL does not uniformly obtain a revenue premium over WN in markets where they compete. I don't have the ability to pull the num
105 FlyASAGuy2005 : I'm sure you are right but I was speaking solely about FL's demise in ATL, going down to about 200 daily departures at their lowest.
106 STT757 : WN has been growing it's passenger counts consistently at EWR, they're right there with B6 and DL. If their passenger counts keep going up they are g
107 Cubsrule : Understood. My point was simply that the story on yields is quite a bit different for FL and WN, something I have never understood given FL's nice on
108 enilria : Not placeholders. WN has recently decided short-haul is a bad idea and has been exiting them. So, you are agreeing with me? WN metal is flying none o
109 airliner371 : Your kidding me right? You (and DL) expect anyone to trust DL about whether WN is profitable in a city? That's a funny joke. What you said in another
110 LAXdude1023 : I dont think anyone is saying that, but Mav and OA412 are correct. No airline shuts down routes that make money. That is an a.net fallacy.
111 Cubsrule : That's not really the question with respect to EWR-PHX. The question is whether - at a slot controlled airport - an airline might shift a slot off of
112 bobloblaw : Well WN only serves a few routes from MSP. MDW is one where the premium traffic would go to ORD, not MDW so it is no surprise that DL doesnt get much
113 ouboy79 : And those people would be called idiots. LOL I think what everyone has been suggesting, when it comes to this statement of yours, is that comparing t
114 enilria : Again, I think you are apparently unaware how much data is available. You can completely reconstruct a carrier's P/L absent some decisions on cost al
115 MaverickM11 : Perhaps, but EWR is such a new station and EWRPHX barely made it a year at two daily, that the likelihood that it was great but an alternative was ev
116 Cubsrule : Seems like fuel costs might have a pretty big effect on whether a slot is used to BNA or PHX . . .
117 enilria : Is that true adjusted for the bag fee difference? I suspect not...
118 MaverickM11 : Wouldn't they know that beforehand? Plus fuel is down YOY. PHX and DEN got cut, plus the shorthaul BWI trips, while things like HOU/MSY/AUS/BNA were
119 Cubsrule : It was true before FL implemented bag fees.
120 Post contains images wnflyguy : Agreed. I don't see pay cuts being forced unless this "Merger" falls apart. But contract talks with every work group will be historical and life chan
121 ouboy79 : We are referencing your past statements. We can dig them back up for you if you'd like. However, it completely disproved your earlier thinking. It is
122 airliner371 : That would be great for WN, they need it. Interesting... a problem for Spirit is if they get rid of the animals on the tail they will be seen as the
123 ouboy79 : They'll just run an ad with hunter promoting new "snacks" for purchase on board easier than if you killed it yourself.
124 enilria : I think it served much more of a purpose than people give it credit for. Without it they would have had zero corporate business. It allowed them to g
125 ouboy79 : You are right, it was that. Either way, it is good to see that your opinion was misguided as DSM-MDW is doing quite well in comparison!
126 Post contains images enilria : Well, we don't know that until the data comes out. You are saying it is full based upon airport enplanement data? That's half the battle.
127 Post contains images ouboy79 : Just said it was doing quite well, compared to what it was before. I'll leave full judgement on the table right now until the financials are actually
128 Post contains images wnflyguy : I think Bags Fly Free is almost Dead. I Would like to see WN drop Bags fly free in favor of bag fees next year. I think if WN just added $5 or $10 do
129 airliner371 : I think they should reduce it to 1 free bag for everyone and make business select and all of the elites 2 free bags. Boarding, the first A's should b
130 usflyguy : And get rid of "A-list"? Why limit early bird to 30 passengers?
131 enilria : You are exactly right, but from what I hear it won't happen until the whole company is on Amadeus which isn't for a while.
132 ouboy79 : Not a chance. It's not going anywhere for awhile. I'm sure several would, especially CSAs to reduce the amount of bags being checked. Won't happen th
133 Cubsrule : I fly almost exclusively business select, and I don't see the point. I get the seat I want probably two thirds of the time, and the flights where I w
134 MSPNWA : If it's just about the size of the network, than how would WN would even exist at this point. They've always served fewer cities than the legacies. S
135 enilria : That's exactly the reason. The other guy is always better off. If they didn't match you could use a fare differential to offset the bag fee revenue d
136 MaverickM11 : ...lower costs Or IAD, or the Midwest, or Florida...WN is down in a lot of places it traditionally ruled WN can not afford to match FL fares, probabl
137 usflyguy : Yes, you are correct, WN is failing miserably and will file Ch. 11 next year and then file Ch. 7 and liquidate in 2015.
138 ouboy79 : Eh if you say so. At the end of the day WN carries more domestic pax than anyone else, and the free bags does help with some of that traffic. Are we
139 Flytravel : IAD is close to BWI both being WAS airports. It's possible WN chose to downsize and not stimulate it to keep it as a small station next to a hub. I ca
140 MaverickM11 : Obviously not IAD, but Florida and the Midwest? They used to be much larger in both. Clearly. It's always curious to see someone take a fairly common
141 airliner371 : Its not personal, some people are just really out of touch. Some of you just need to come out right and say this because this is what you are all pre
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