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How Is EK DXB-DFW-DXB Doing?  
User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11281 times:

I see that their load factor for September is only 68.65%. I thought it would be a bit higher than this. Does anyone know how the yields are doing and if they are making money on the route?

Does anyone know on average how much cargo they are carrying on these flights?

[Edited 2012-11-26 11:18:26]


Christopher W Slovacek
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User currently offlinemilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1056 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11126 times:

I was under the impression that it was a very strong route and an additional daily was being considered. Perhaps I am incorrect.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29709 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11089 times:
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Quoting DFWHeavy (Thread starter):
Does anyone know on average how much they are carrying on these flights?

Assuming they're operating the 777-200LR, it should be able to carry a full payload as that is what EK Flight Planning folks have said the 777-200LR can do to IAH.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7337 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10900 times:

From what Ive heard, the flight is doing quite well. Its even started to get lots of revenue F and J tickets sold.

Is it the highlight of the EK route network? Probably not. However, its made a pretty good start. Im hoping that AA and EK will have some sort of agreement in the future. Its been rumored, we just have to see if it will play out.



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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 394 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10901 times:

September/October are typically the slowest months seasonally to the Middle East and India from the US. That being said, it is still in the spool, start-up stages, but from what I've heard is far and away the best new addition to the US. Much better than IAD and SEA which have really struggled. If the rumored cooperation with AA starts, I could see an eventual upgauge, but the 77L is perfect for now. IAH on the other hand is in desperate need of F/J seats!


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10767 times:

Quoting Tdan (Reply 4):
IAH on the other hand is in desperate need of F/J seats!

Tell me about it. My brother tried to buy a F seat (actually his company tried) to DXB last week and he couldn't get one. He had to go via DOH on QR. And he came back in J via DFW on EK and both QR and EK to IAH were sold out.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29709 posts, RR: 84
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10685 times:
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Quoting Tdan (Reply 4):
IAH on the other hand is in desperate need of F/J seats!

Sounds like a role for the 575t MTOW A380-800 when they become available.


User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10662 times:

I am assuming that its not doing as good as Houston. The other day my buddy tried booking a last minuete ticket on economy class with Qatar or Emirates to Amritsar and all flights were full packed.

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 7):
I am assuming that its not doing as good as Houston. The other day my buddy tried booking a last minuete ticket on economy class with Qatar or Emirates to Amritsar and all flights were full packed.

IAH is about as good as yields get in the USA.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7337 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10532 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 7):
I am assuming that its not doing as good as Houston. The other day my buddy tried booking a last minuete ticket on economy class with Qatar or Emirates to Amritsar and all flights were full packed.

I would also assume that IAH-DXB does better than DFW-DXB, but your example is totally useless.

EK's DFW flight is a higher percentage of India traffic than the EK's IAH flight. India traffic is largely low yielding, though its yields are better out of DFW (sans BOM traffic) because of the IT, tech, and telecom companies here.

IAH-India traffic is heavily skewed toward BOM, DFW-India is more scattered throughout India with an emphasis on HYD, DEL, and BLR.

DFW-India is slightly larger than IAH-India and both are much larger than ATL or MIA-India. IAH-Gulf is quite a bit larger than DFW-Gulf. IAH-Gulf is heavily centered on DXB and Saudi.

[Edited 2012-11-26 12:39:27]


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2093 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10380 times:

Quoting milemaster (Reply 1):

I was under the impression that it was a very strong route and an additional daily was being considered. Perhaps I am incorrect.

Emirates is experiencing strong YoY revenue growth in the Americas region, and certainly has plans to expand to more cities in the US, from what I know, but I don't think that DFW is on the list to receive a second daily flight. That would be overkill. JFK has proven to be the only market in the Americas capable of more than 7 weekly flights.



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User currently offlineswissair4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10260 times:

From reliable sources:

DFW is strongest new US start-up route. Full fare J yields are very very strong. Cargo traffic has been much much better than expected. Second frequency planned for next year. The route is a hit. In addition, EK has made it a policy to charge a higher premium for DFW to India fares, and still loads are very very strong. Pax in the area are paying to travel EK. Believe it or not, their is still lots of hype from the IT sector that EK is in town.


User currently offlinesonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10154 times:
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Quoting swissair4ever (Reply 11):

From reliable sources:

DFW is strongest new US start-up route. Full fare J yields are very very strong. Cargo traffic has been much much better than expected. Second frequency planned for next year. The route is a hit. In addition, EK has made it a policy to charge a higher premium for DFW to India fares, and still loads are very very strong. Pax in the area are paying to travel EK. Believe it or not, their is still lots of hype from the IT sector that EK is in town.

That is great to hear. The IT sector in North Texas isn't as well known as say California but there obviously is a ton of demand for the service - even at the premium EK charges.

It's this kind of performance that justifies the huge wide body orders EK has with Boeing and Airbus.


User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 394 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9971 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
Tell me about it. My brother tried to buy a F seat (actually his company tried) to DXB last week and he couldn't get one. He had to go via DOH on QR. And he came back in J via DFW on EK and both QR and EK to IAH were sold out.

I'm in the same boat. TK cannot get here soon enough!

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):

Sounds like a role for the 575t MTOW A380-800 when they become available.

It will be one of, if not their first route for it

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):

IAH is about as good as yields get in the USA.

  

Quoting swissair4ever (Reply 11):
From reliable sources:

DFW is strongest new US start-up route. Full fare J yields are very very strong. Cargo traffic has been much much better than expected. Second frequency planned for next year. The route is a hit. In addition, EK has made it a policy to charge a higher premium for DFW to India fares, and still loads are very very strong. Pax in the area are paying to travel EK. Believe it or not, their is still lots of hype from the IT sector that EK is in town.

Heard the same, though it is just now turning the profitability corner. I thought the second flight next year was predicated on cooperation with AA? If not, IAH must be getting the second frequency back too even though it didn't do too well last time around (to be fair connectivity has been significantly improved out of the 0200 bank going west).



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9928 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 10):
JFK has proven to be the only market in the Americas capable of more than 7 weekly flights.

IAH proved to be able to support it but EK pulled the 77L aircraft to start DFW. EK has always intended to put back the second IAH flight.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 13):
IAH must be getting the second frequency back too even though it didn't do too well last time around (to be fair connectivity has been significantly improved out of the 0200 bank going west).

it did fine....jsut the saw more revenue up the road at DFW and were short of 77Ls



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User currently offlineTdan From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 394 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 14):
Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 10):
JFK has proven to be the only market in the Americas capable of more than 7 weekly flights.

IAH proved to be able to support it but EK pulled the 77L aircraft to start DFW. EK has always intended to put back the second IAH flight.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 13):
IAH must be getting the second frequency back too even though it didn't do too well last time around (to be fair connectivity has been significantly improved out of the 0200 bank going west).

it did fine....jsut the saw more revenue up the road at DFW and were short of 77Ls

Incremental load factors were terrible according to the airport's statistics. Still, with the improved connectivity in DXB it might be worth another shot until they can bring in the whalejetER



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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8023 times:

Emirates should put back the 2nd flight at IAH they are kicking Qatar butts reason why the evening flight does better because of the connections during the day. IAH on Emirates and Qatar doesn't just have high Indian traffic has high South Asian and Middleastern/ Africa traffic as well as Southeast Asia. The mayor of Houston went to Saudi Arabia this month and some Saudi companies signed some deals and opened up some headquarters hopefully Saudi Airlines will think about starting to Houston.

User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5832 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7976 times:
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Quoting swissair4ever (Reply 11):
From reliable sources:

DFW is strongest new US start-up route. Full fare J yields are very very strong. Cargo traffic has been much much better than expected. Second frequency planned for next year. The route is a hit. In addition, EK has made it a policy to charge a higher premium for DFW to India fares, and still loads are very very strong. Pax in the area are paying to travel EK. Believe it or not, their is still lots of hype from the IT sector that EK is in town.

If that's the case, then why hasn't EK changed their 77L aircraft to 77W?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4700 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7923 times:

I'm wondering if the EK schedules align with the QF DFW daily service...? If this be the case QF/EK would more than likely benefit...

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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7388 times:

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 16):
IAH on Emirates and Qatar doesn't just have high Indian traffic has high South Asian and Middleastern/ Africa traffic as well as Southeast Asia.

Do you have the numbers on what the breakdown is of EK's passenger profile from IAH that head to South Asia, the Middle East, and Africa?

Quoting IAH59 (Reply 16):
The mayor of Houston went to Saudi Arabia this month and some Saudi companies signed some deals and opened up some headquarters hopefully Saudi Airlines will think about starting to Houston.

With TK soon to enter the market and the rumors of the return of the second EK flight, it may be harder for SV to start flights beyond JFK and IAD. The only time you will see a SV plane at IAH is if the Saudi Royal Family are in town for medical treatment or shopping.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5762 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
If that's the case, then why hasn't EK changed their 77L aircraft to 77W?

Weight restricted westbound.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12444 posts, RR: 100
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5267 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Quoting Tdan (Reply 4):
IAH on the other hand is in desperate need of F/J seats!

Sounds like a role for the 575t MTOW A380-800 when they become available.

I would expect IAH to receive the high MTOW A388 with the wing twist before LAX. IMHO, only IAH, and LAX are 'in the running' for A388 upgauge in 2013 (by EK).

I would have expected DFW and IAH to get some of the overflow from full IAH-DXB flights.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 4):
Much better than IAD and SEA which have really struggled.

I've heard enough about SEA. I'd like to know more about IAD. Is it UA? Does QR serve IAD too?


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User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

What is the average load factor for EK departing IAH?


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User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5478 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
I'm wondering if the EK schedules align with the QF DFW daily service...? If this be the case QF/EK would more than likely benefit...

No. DFW locals can confirm, but to the best of my knowledge, EK is at DFW in the early morning and QF comes in just afternoon. The two airlines miss each other entirely, though I suppose that EK pax could connect to QF if they really wanted to sit around for ten or eleven hours. DXB-DFW-SYD sounds horrifyingly long.



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1219 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

The oil traffic is certainly going to feed both IAH and DFW. Lots of people are willig to catch a flight up to DFW if the IAH flight is booked. I can attest from working for a few oil companies now that QR, EK and others are surely doing quite well because of the industry.


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25 hohd : Last time I flew the second IAH-DXB flight, it was wide open. I had four seats for myself in the middle row on DXB-IAH. I booked a seat 8 hours before
26 Post contains images Tdan : Not true. SV still operates scheduled cargo service into IAH Couple reasons. UA is well insulated because of "Fly America" requiring the US gov't emp
27 SATexan : I travelled on the DXB-IAH sector three weeks ago and the flight (all classes) was wide open. I too had the entire middle row in Y for myself.
28 IAH59 : If you flew on IAH to DXB during FEB/MAR thats non peak season so of course you might end up on a none full flight. I work at IAH and pass by the gate
29 LAXdude1023 : Do you have any factual data or are we just going off anecdotes?
30 IAH59 : I don't have the facts to support just based on what I see.
31 Viscount724 : Yes daily 77W nonstop DOH-IAD.
32 unityofsaints : I think I'm missing the point of this whole discussion entirely: are you suggesting people fly DXB-DFW-SYD? Or SYD-DFW-DXB? Either one doesn't make m
33 EK413 : I'm well aware of that and its definitely a stupid suggestion to take such a long hike when you can simply fly SYD-DXB or DXB-SYD... Unless the EK fl
34 Post contains images blink182 : Hardly. However, a user asked a question, and I thought I would answer it. [Edited 2012-11-28 05:53:01]
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