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DL SLC Hub Prospects  
User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 812 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 10329 times:

With the decline and imminent hub-status loss for CVG and MEM and TPAC growth at SEA, what will become of DL's SLC hub? Will DL try to grow it? Or will more traffic be routed through SEA, MSP and DTW and therefore cause a similar demise as CVG and DTW?

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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 10316 times:

CVG and MEM are not only redundant, they have been slowly dying. SLC has shrunk a bit (like most hubs) but has held strong and most importantly, it's not redundant. SLC and DEN are really the only 2 hubs that can effectively serve that region


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1967 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 10266 times:

I foresee pretty much the status-quo in the long term: a smaller-sized efficient Western and largely domestic hub. It works for them and it's probably ideally right-sized so I can't see DL tinkering with the operations there much beyond that.

User currently offlinefrontierflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 10232 times:

I see the opposite happening, that would leave a big hole. CVG and MEM are too close by other hubs. If anything I see growth.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7353 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 10173 times:

Quoting questions (Thread starter):
With the decline and imminent hub-status loss for CVG and MEM and TPAC growth at SEA, what will become of DL's SLC hub?

Nothing happens unless they merge. They need it for geographic coverage.


User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 10150 times:

Also consider the growth at LAX as a part of the equation, while a different market and not entirely a hub, it I think is a cause of the slight overall service cuts at SLC. I think MSP is holding it's ground for a good "midsection hub function" of the country, compared to CVG and MEM. SLC is in an unclear direction honestly, and LAX and SEA are doing well (and on a growing trend) by DL's standards.


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 10027 times:

SLC is doing fine and will continue to do fine. It has actually seen quite significant growth in mainline and large RJ departures in recent years, with service on 50-seaters and props diminishing. Also, look at WN in SLC. In the last year or two WN has cut BOI, RNO, ABQ, MCI, etc. as DEN has taken over that capacity. And there is not much other LCC competition for DL in SLC with a market that is more-or-less captive (if you want to drive to anywhere from SLC, you're going to be driving a while), and a strong local economy with both business and tourist demand throughout the year.

Markets that DL serves only from SLC:
EUG
MFR
RDM
LWS
SUN
TWF
PIH
IDA
BTM
WYS
COD
GCC
CPR
RKS
OAK
FAT
BUR
LGB
PSP (also has seasonal MSP service?)
RNO
EKO
SGU
CDC
GJT

For DL, there is not another viable hub for most of those destinations.



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineB4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 6):
Markets that DL serves only from SLC:

That is an important measure of hub strength, markets only served by SLC. Excellent reply. RR Click for you.



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 9810 times:

I might be in the minority here, but if DL wants SLC to be a thing - they need to make it a thing.

I know I frequently harp on people for not understanding the actual statistics of routes, and frequently people don't look. But I do know a lot of the numbers, and I still believe that in some cases building a hub has to do with "...and it will come".

Chickens and eggs are serious topics, but if Delta wants to capture contracts and the like, the flights have to exist.

On the flip side, DL may believe the revenue available West of the Mississippi isn't significant enough that a small SLC and a robust MSP can't serve it... but MSP is way up there, Northerly speaking.

NS


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 9732 times:

Quoting questions (Thread starter):

flat with some limited growth in the domestic market.

Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
Nothing happens unless they merge.

nothing happens period. Again, SEA would have to be moved fairly far south to be able to hand the flows SLC does

Quoting FSDan (Reply 6):
OAK

Has LAX flights.



yep.
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7659 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 9730 times:

I feel like this question comes up every month and the answer is always the same.

SLC is expected to remain status-quo and is not in any danger of being drastically cut/changed/altered/reduced in this CURRENT economic and revenue environment.


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 9747 times:

I don't think that DL can sustain their weirdness at LAX and do more on the West Coast in general.

LAX is a war and it isn't one DL can profitably win. They can take traffic away from United, perhaps crush AA a bit harder, but can they make money doing it?

NS


User currently offlineboslax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 9708 times:

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 7):
That is an important measure of hub strength, markets only served by SLC

Not sure I completely agree with that assesment.

Among the 24 DL markets listed as only being served from SLC, three of them are Essential Air Service (EAS) markets (BTM, CDC, and WYS). Meaning they cannot be profitably served withouth gov't subsidy. Nine of the markets are SkyWest "At Risk markets" (CPR, COD, EKO, GCC, PIH, RKS, SGU, SUN, and TWF). Meaning Delta does not want to take the risk in serving those markets with a fee/departure structure. With that said, the At Risk markets for SkyWest peform well financially.

Combined, the 24 markets listed represent a little less than 1% of Delta's total passenger revenue. I'm sure each of these communities view nonstop service to SLC as important, however, not sure if Delta does. With Delta's looming major reduction in 50 seat RJ flying, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these markets eliminated.

SLC serves a niche on Delta's system that has value. Some tweaks may occur down the road, but nothing major. The greatest operating feature that SLC has - the lowest cost per enplanment among large hub airports.

[Edited 2012-11-26 19:21:47]

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 9695 times:

Yeah that is definitely an option as well... on the flip side, I wonder what the DOLLAR value of that 1% is?

I am from COS, and I can tell you that most airlines have enjoyed laughing all the way to the bank from such mountain West cities - I bet DL is no different to those markets.

NS


User currently offlineDeltaDC8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 9674 times:

With Delta's continued commitment to SLC what is going on with the Terminal situation? Seems that they are a bit antiquated and constrained.


Clear Skies Above
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7659 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

Quoting boslax (Reply 12):
Combined, the 24 markets listed represent a little less than 1% of Delta's total passenger revenue. I'm sure each of these communities view nonstop service to SLC as important, however, not sure if Delta does. With Delta's looming major reduction in 50 seat RJ flying, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these markets eliminated.

Exactly. DL significantly pared-down the EAS flying in the Upper Midwest from DTW and MSP with the Saab 340 retirement. Granted, the fact that much of the flying is "at-risk" helps that DL bearing the true cost burden of these flights.

I would not be surprised to see some reductions in the future to some of the 50 seat markets out of SLC. DL will have to decide if it can still profitably (or reasonably unprofitably on a micro-level) serve some of these unique markets.


User currently offlinejetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2812 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 9639 times:

Quoting DeltaDC8 (Reply 14):
With Delta's continued commitment to SLC what is going on with the Terminal situation? Seems that they are a bit antiquated and constrained.

I believe there was a proposal from SLC recently that addressed an expanded terminal/concourse.

From January:
SLC To Get Brand New Terminal (by tan1mill Jan 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)



No info
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10511 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 9433 times:

Quoting boslax (Reply 12):
With Delta's looming major reduction in 50 seat RJ flying, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these markets eliminated.

But how many of those "at risk" cities are operated with Brasilias?



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 9389 times:

Well, there is much speculation going around. I know the execs won't flat out say anything drastic (look at CVG and MEM, they weren't condemned or anything) so we need to look at the recent history of the SLC hub. I don't have the numbers on me, but IIRC, SLC hasn't been cut very much (not much more or as much as MSP and DTW) and compared to CVG and MEM, SLC is light years away shrinkage-wise.

Now I don't see SLC becoming the west coast ATL (or really that much bigger than SLC is now) but I really don't think LAX can put too much of a dent in SLC... even as a full hub (which DL seems to be struggling to make) SLC will still have a unique market/position and SEA is just so far up I doubt it would really disrupt SLC ops at all.

SLC is no DEN, but it's the next best thing. The Rockies aren't a gold mine but just having SLC or DEN makes you a player in that region... I don't see SLC going anywhere soon, LAX/SEA hubs or not



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 9363 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 11):

Delta has, finally, started to become fairly stable at LAX. Growth is now limited by gate space(some of the DCI flights are being parked at the hangar and PAX bused to T5.)
I do think LAX for Delta will stay fairly flat now.

Quoting DeltaDC8 (Reply 14):

SLC is starting the first phase of moving to a ATL/DEN model airport.



yep.
User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3311 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 9306 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 11):

I don't think that DL can sustain their weirdness at LAX and do more on the West Coast in general.

LAX is a war and it isn't one DL can profitably win. They can take traffic away from United, perhaps crush AA a bit harder, but can they make money doing it?

NS

Yet, Delta is actually solidly profitable at LAX. Go figure.


User currently onlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 9004 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 6):
Markets that DL serves only from SLC

While it is useful to look at that list of relatively small markets, I also find it useful to look at the geography of SLC for connections between larger cities that are also served by other hubs. Connections like SFO-ABQ, BOI-PHX, PDX-AUS, DEN-(California) etc., can be served quite well via SLC, while they wouldn't work nearly as well via MSP, LAX, or SEA. That geographic efficiency is another big reason that the SLC hub isn't going away. Nothing else in the DL system can replace it.



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 8957 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
Quoting FSDan (Reply 6):
OAK

Has LAX flights.

Good call.

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 21):
While it is useful to look at that list of relatively small markets, I also find it useful to look at the geography of SLC for connections between larger cities that are also served by other hubs. Connections like SFO-ABQ, BOI-PHX, PDX-AUS, DEN-(California) etc., can be served quite well via SLC, while they wouldn't work nearly as well via MSP, LAX, or SEA. That geographic efficiency is another big reason that the SLC hub isn't going away. Nothing else in the DL system can replace it.

  



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7353 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months ago) and read 8842 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 9):
Quoting enilria (Reply 4):
Nothing happens unless they merge.

nothing happens period. Again, SEA would have to be moved fairly far south to be able to hand the flows SLC does

If you think DL keeps SLC in any merger scenario you need to get a random drug test. It would become CVG if DL obtained another strong Western hub. If we are talking about AS as the merger partner then it is murkier. It is probable that PDX would lose out to SLC in that scenario, but it is also possible that DL would build up LAX significantly. You'd be surprised how much of the SLC connecting flow is SoCal to PacNW. I think the argument could be made that with a bigger LAX, SEA, and MSP that SLC offers very little unique flow. Cutting PDX is the more obvious move, though.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17662 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months ago) and read 8658 times:

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 16):
I believe there was a proposal from SLC recently that addressed an expanded terminal/concourse.

From January:
SLC To Get Brand New Terminal (by tan1mill Jan 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)

PIT, care to chime in here? IND, how's that beautiful new terminal doin'?  



E pur si muove -Galileo
25 93Sierra : I would love to see OO run a 2x daily IWA/AZA to SLC
26 redzeppelin : SLC is taking a pragmatic approach to new terminal construction. The plan calls for the new facility to be built in phases with I think 4 possible st
27 mayor : True.......even the newest concourse (not counting E), is D, which was opened in '84, which would make it almost 30 years old. Where are those locate
28 redzeppelin : That sounds a bit like AA trying (and failing) to serve the interior west with ORD, DFW, and LAX. UA would be the big winner in the west if DL ever d
29 cosyr : I'm not quite sure I follow you here. What numbers are you talking about? Number of flights? Number of Seats, destinations served, market share? I do
30 slcdeltarumd11 : SLC is not comparable to those cities and this investment for them is much less risky. The SLC airport has no debt and can afford to pay for these te
31 brilondon : I find the above to contradict its self in reference to DTW, if more traffic is routed through DTW causing it to what, contract?
32 Post contains links redzeppelin : Top of the C concourse, near the terminal 2 security point. The former Dick Clark Grill has been replaced by Market Street Grill (which is a full-ser
33 enilria : Clearly SEA is superior to DFW as an inter-West connect point by multiples. Don't really think that is much of a comparison. A connect via SEA is two
34 Goldenshield : BTM is an interesting market, and I think the winner here is SkyWest. Based on BTS data, while there has been some dropoff in pax boardings, I really
35 BoeingGuy : Why did DL can SLC-NRT so quickly? Was it not doing well? I know there are some performance issues on the SLC-NRT leg, but a 77L would fix that. By al
36 slcdeltarumd11 : Delta operated the route IIRC for two summers. The 777 is too big for the route. The A330 is a better size but it had weight restrictions West bound
37 redzeppelin : I think it is more of a 787 route if it ever comes back, a la UA's DEN-NRT. I think it will do even better once DL finishes the 763 mods and puts a b
38 PITrules : Well PIT and IND had little (or no) debt before they committed to their new terminals either. Everything else you said about DL @ SLC is what US said
39 enilria : Apply nail to head. Yes. It was a subsidy deal from day #1. Never a good sign.
40 mayor : I don't believe that SLC is building a shopping mall with an airport attached to it, though. Remember, this is something that HAD to be built, just t
41 PITrules : Don't over emphasis PIT's airmall. It is nothing but the usual amount of airport retail space located in a central area and cleverly marketed as a "m
42 Aerowrench : Maybe you ought to look at the loads via Travelnet before you assume this "weirdness" won't last. Also,unless your armchair is being fed route yields
43 AeroWesty : Which is somewhat of a surprise to me, having done almost that route once, but it was PDX-SLC-PHX instead, thanks to a Priceline ticket. With 90-minu
44 jporterfi : This is just DL wanting a piece of the action, instead of letting AS, UA, and WN dominate. I too was surprised to find out that a lot of the connecti
45 B4REAL : While not condemned, CVG has come pretty close. I the gold standard of DL De-hubbing is DFW in 2005 (I think it was). CVG went from having the most g
46 flyguy89 : I'd say it worked out pretty well for CVG seeing as DL paid for the construction and is still locked into paying for Concourses B and C, a deal almos
47 questions : What happened to IND?
48 Post contains images Deltal1011man : I think you need to go back to like 2nd grande and learn about a thing called a map. ......MAP Maybe SAN...or MIA can replace SLC. Heck maybe NRT or
49 B4REAL : Agreed.
50 Cubsrule : Of course, you and others ignore the obvious counterexamples - JAX, MDW, DTW (both terminals), etc. It's certainly possible to build a new terminal t
51 mayor : Unless I'm mistaken, the situations are very much different between SLC and PIT. SLC has been a very successful and established hub for DL since '87.
52 Cubsrule : It only became USAir shortly before the new terminal was opened, but yes, there was a hub. As early as 1979, Allegheny had more than 200 daily depart
53 BoeingGuy : Several people have stated that they are hearing that DL is about to discontinue SLC-CDG. Is that correct?
54 michman : For Concourse C, yes it is true that DL is stuck with paying off the bonds. And it makes sense that they paying for Concourse B as they are still usi
55 mayor : Well, I had heard that, too, but it seems to be bookable, up thru next summer.
56 flyguy89 : Not quite. DL actually owns all of Concourse B and leases the land it sits on from the airport board, so the airport has no practical control of DL's
57 enilria : That's the problem. It's further out of the way, so DL has to fly people further and be cheaper to get people to go out of the way. Is that near Mesa
58 AeroWesty : It would be interesting to see what the percentage of traffic actually connects on routes such as those, though, unless there are no other options. F
59 mayor : I always thought, when working in SLC, that the bulk of connections WERE from the Intermountain West and not SoCal or PHX.
60 Deltal1011man : grade* Fairly = giving money to United. Lets just finish it this way then. 100 bucks says, unless Delta buys a DEN hub, SLC stays period. Deal? Ok th
61 enilria : It's in DB1B. It's typically 10-20% depending upon the LCC situation. But 10-20% of a huge market is more than 100% of a small market. Well, I get th
62 AeroWesty : Looking at a DL system map for SLC, I find it hard to site a better place to connect the population centers outside of the major metro areas in the F
63 BoeingGuy : I wish you'd knock off with this s***. Ain't gonna happen - I sure hope not. DL taking over AS would benefit no-one except a few executives in the sh
64 enilria : Which is why, steady-state, there is nothing DL can do with SLC. I said above that nothing is going to change as things now stand. $200 oil or more m
65 BoeingGuy : As I've mentioned before, I was hearing this same thing in 1998. It was inevitable that AS would be unable to remain independent. AA was about the bu
66 woodsboy : Ive been flying through SLC for 30 years, first on Western and then even more frequently after I moved to Alaska back in the late 80s. As far as a hub
67 slcdeltarumd11 : SLC is taking almost no risk here. It would take alot for Delta to leave SLC and even then someone else would instantally move out of three way low fa
68 AeroWesty : AS is back to all mainline to LAX (4x), plus started DCA recently, and we have service to all 4 Hawaiian islands now including double-daily to OGG. I
69 iowaman : I'd like to see DSM-SLC return, but I don't expect it with the CRJ's on the way out. Mainline is too much for this route. DL flew the route intermitte
70 BoeingGuy : Several other short-lived routes from SLC come to mind: BLI, YYJ,SLE and I think ACV and YKM. DL expanded to quite a few small west coast markets fro
71 mayor : Why merge if you don't want the route system? What else would they gain from a merger like this?
72 BoeingGuy : That's my point. It hasn't stopped pointless mergers in the past, and then dismantling of a major part of the route structure.
73 mayor : Which "pointless" mergers? Which dismantling?
74 fjnovak1 : XNA is another city cut from SLC. I do agree though that they'll give some of these a go again once they have more space.
75 BoeingGuy : PSA + US Air; Air Cal + American; Reno Air + American; TWA + American. In each case virtually none of the smaller carrier's routes remained within a
76 mayor : Depends on what you mean by successful. I'd say DL/C&S, DL/NE, DL/WA and even DL/NW. All of them have fundamentally changed DL's route system and
77 Cubsrule : . . . though, in at least the latter two, DL dismantled a hub.
78 mayor : But they were still successful, no matter what. WA had ONE hub at the time of the merger.....SLC......LAX could have been more rightly called a focus
79 PITrules : I'm referring to the level of air service after new facilties were built. Clearly it didn't work out well for CVG, especially the need for the 4th ru
80 Cubsrule : Well, sure. But part of that success came from cutting capacity. I think MDW can be compared with SLC, though WN's operation at MDW is somewhat highe
81 AeroWesty : All DL would gain from buying AS would be greater control over AS' routes which support their international flying, Alaskan routes, plus the DCA rout
82 PITrules : Perhaps the SLC airport could fund a portion of the terminal to be used by non DL airlines, then DL can finance the construction bonds for their port
83 Cubsrule : What a great strategy for keeping your hub airline happy: "Here, let us evict you from your perfectly adequate facility and force you to pay for the
84 PITrules : That was not at all the premise of your scenario: Anyway, why shouldn't they pay for their portion??
85 slcdeltarumd11 : Absolutely SLC would be a hub for someone even if Delta were to leave which is extremely unlikely. SLC is not comparable to PIT or IND either. Fronti
86 PITrules : The notion that another airline would set up a fortress hub in SLC if DL hypothetically leaves is pure speculation. Maybe it would happen, maybe not.
87 Cubsrule : They will pay, through landing fees and PFCs. Your assertion is that Delta's portion of the terminal should be financed in a radically different way
88 PITrules : For the simple reason of reassuring the Salt Lake community that if DL ever pulls out, SLC is not left holding the bag.
89 Post contains images slowroll : Exactly! A large portion of the cost is being passed on to the airlines in SLC. Each will pay based on their use of the facility. I know of no one he
90 flyguy89 : Airlines just don't make those kind of long-term commitments anymore. CVG seemed to be more the exception than the rule, I'm having a hard time reall
91 mayor : I think what you don't realize is that the SLC airport is self funded, not from city, county or state revenues. The only entity that would be saddled
92 Cubsrule : Why should that be a goal of this project? Again, I would understand that sentiment if this terminal project were discretionary. It's not.
93 PITrules : Maybe those commitments should be called for in mid sized hubs with one dominant carrier before the airport spends $2 billion. If SLC is such a sure
94 Cubsrule : Oh, absolutely. But it is in the airport's interest to do what it can to keep the hub, which means working with Delta, not forcing Delta to finance t
95 PITrules : I'm not suggesting DL pay for the whole thing, just their portion. I'm also not suggesting SLC work against Delta; but why couldn't they negotiate an
96 slcdeltarumd11 : PITrules I understand your argument and i think its one that say PIT should have done before construction and is totally 100% valid for there. You mak
97 mayor : I don't understand the basis for the speculation that DL is in dire straights at SLC. It's all speculation and foggy speculation, at that. I don't th
98 slowroll : They've begun running the trains to test the tracks, albeit at a very slow speed.
99 mayor : When are they expecting service to start?
100 Post contains links michman : This article pretty much lays out how the expansion will be financed -- http://soc.li/ST3GvIE PFC's will be used to pay for a good part of it, plus c
101 Deltal1011man : ....So is it not happening or do you think it wont? .....*sigh* cutting what would be Delta's Asian hub is stupid. Delta will keep, and grow, Seattle
102 questions : 1. What percentage of DL pax connecting in NRT with Asian destinations originate in the US vs Asia? 2. If NRT goes away would it have to be replaced
103 Post contains images bomber996 : Look to an enhanced partnership with KE and their ICN hub to cover a lot of this. Peace
104 gcb5196 : The light rail is supposed to open in April.
105 mayor : Well, the airport authority has to take some responsibility for this. After all, building a new terminal is probably at least 75% their idea. Of cour
106 Post contains links AeroWesty : If that's true, then I could see a reason for more interest in control over AS' network. It has been noted in other threads that Japan-U.S. traffic h
107 slowroll : Officially, in May 2013. But speculation is that they're ahead of schedule so there might be an April surprise.
108 Post contains images mayor : Wonder how many cars will get hit on West Temple from people turning in front of the trains??
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