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User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3356 posts, RR: 31
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23459 times:
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From The Daily Mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=14907

The passenger was too obese to fly, and was kicked off 3 flights to New York after trying to return home for medical treatment. The passenger ended up dying in Hungary and now a lawsuit is being filed against DL/ LH and KL for violation of disabled passenger.

The pictures may be a bit disturbing but the article sums it all up.

Leo/ORD


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User currently offlineHOMsAR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23469 times:

I don't see how it's the airlines fault. If you can't physically fit safely on the plane/in your seats (either because the seatbelts aren't long enough, or because not even several firefighters can lift you up and put you in the seat), then what is the airline supposed to do?

Given the person's condition, I'm guessing it's unlikely that even returning home and getting medical treatment would have done much to keep her alive.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21855 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23434 times:

I'm not going to get into whether the airline was right or not in denying her travel. I can see the airline side of things, and I can see the passenger's side as well - they did let the airline know, they did book two seats for her, etc.

Here's the crux of the issue: she had the opportunity to see doctors in Hungary, and she chose not to. That is entirely her and her husband's fault, and shouldn't be held against the airlines.

-Mir



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User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23431 times:

Three different airlines from three different countries said no, yet they're at fault. What happened to personal responsibility?

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User currently offlineplateman From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23370 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Here's the crux of the issue: she had the opportunity to see doctors in Hungary, and she chose not to. That is entirely her and her husband's fault, and shouldn't be held against the airlines.

Exactly. And I hope a court is smart enough to see that too.



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User currently offlinesonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1888 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23252 times:
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It's tragic but the kicker is that even the local fire dept couldn't get her out of her chair. It's sounds like there wasn't anything for the airlines to do.

It will be interesting to find out if obesity is the disability theory. Airlines must make reasonable accommodation. If the person is too heavy for the seat he/she is sitting on, there isn't much the airline can do. I don't see any of the airlines discriminating here; her medical condition made it so she wasn't able to fly.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23224 times:
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Still. While I do not fault the airlines (this case falls beyond the normal fat person who is asked to pay for another seat) she did get to Hungary. I assume she did not swim her way there.

So, if they were able to get her there, I don´t see how legally they can´t get her back. Unless of course she put on an excessive amount of weight, which I find hard to believe, but possible.

What a sad case. With that weight and missing a leg, she must not have been a happy person. Poor woman.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 23150 times:

It is very sad that she died but I fail to see how that is the airlines' fault. Was it wise to leave the US and travel to Hungary in the first case?

Why could she not see doctors and undergo necessary treatment in Hungary? Let me guess, no insurance cover for a pre-existing medical condition, although they claim that they felt staff would be unfamiliar with their medical needs.

But seriously, if the fire brigade was unable to lift her out of the wheelchair, perhaps they could have chartered a private plane. But I guess the lack of appropriate cover for medical evacuation would have ruled that out.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 23116 times:
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Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
It is very sad that she died but I fail to see how that is the airlines' fault. Was it wise to leave the US and travel to Hungary in the first case?

Seeing the pictures and the description of her case, I really can´t see how she was fit to fly outbound in the first place.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
Let me guess, no insurance cover for a pre-existing medical condition, although they claim that they felt staff would be unfamiliar with their medical needs.

Isn´t hungary one of those countries that have free health care?

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
But I guess the lack of appropriate cover for medical evacuation would have ruled that out.

I´m not an expert by any means, but if they were not able to fit her in an airliner, I don´t see how a smaller private jet med-evac aircraft would have been able to fit her inside.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22686 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 8):
Isn´t hungary one of those countries that have free health care?

Residents of the European Union, Iceland, Norway, Liechtenstein and Switzerland, who are entitled to health care under the national health services or mandatory health insurance scheme of their respective countries of residence, can receive in Hungary health care
+ which becomes necessary
+ on medical grounds
+ during temporary stay in Hungary
+ taking into account the nature of the benefits required and the expected length of stay.
The treatment, which becomes medically necessary during the patient’s temporary stay in Hungary is free of charge. It does not cover ongoing illnesses of a non-urgent nature or emergency repatriation costs, so comprehensive travel insurance is advised as treatment can be very expensive.

Citizens and/or residents of countries, which are not part of the European Economic Area and which don’t have bilateral agreements with Hungary covering the provision of health care, have to pay full price for the health care services rendered in Hungary. According to Hungarian legislation, the health care provider can set the fee freely; therefore the Hungarian National Health Insurance has no influence on the amount of fee charged.

If the couple had retained Hungarian Citizenship (if it was possible at the time they acquired US citizenship) they would have been eligible for free treatment. If they were not Hungarian citizens they would not be covered as there is, as far as I know, no bilateral agreement covering health care between the US and Hungary. The US Bureau of Consular Affairs offers the following advice:
"Make sure you have adequate health insurance coverage while abroad, including coverage of medical evacuation (not covered by most domestic policies). Note that U.S. Medicare and Medicaid programs do not provide payment for medical services outside the United States."


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22599 times:
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Quoting Quokkas (Reply 9):
If the couple had retained Hungarian Citizenship (if it was possible at the time they acquired US citizenship) they would have been eligible for free treatment.

I am assuming that they did, as they had a "summer house" in Hungary.

Besides, as far as I know, the US allows and has for a long time, allowed double citizenship. Heck, I am an example of it.

The death of this woman, thus, seems to me as being brought on by herself and her husband. I really can´t see otherwise, seeing the condition she was in before she left for Hungary. She was buried there too, which is telling.

Maybe that was the purpose all along, and now, someone greedy wants to take advantage of a rather sad situation and make money off of it.

If they had the money to purchase three Y seats, they had enough to pay for a repatriating, ambulance service.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22495 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 6):
So, if they were able to get her there, I don´t see how legally they can´t get her back. Unless of course she put on an excessive amount of weight, which I find hard to believe, but possible.

If she is in renal (and probably heart) failure and did not have access to proper dialysis treatment, she easily could have gained tens of pounds worth of fluid.

Fact is that she shouldn't have traveled in the first place. Especially if her condition was so fragile that she could die without medical treatment for a few days.

While I'm not sure if it's suit-worthy, I have to scratch my head at the physician who cleared her to fly (if one did). I sure wouldn't have.

"I'm sorry, but you're in chronic multiorgan failure. In my opinion, it is not safe for you to travel anywhere by air."


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22349 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 8):
Seeing the pictures and the description of her case, I really can´t see how she was fit to fly outbound in the first place.

I saw the TV news report, agree 100% with you and most folks here. Not only was I amazed that she had flown outbound to Hungry in the first place, she is very round, and extremely obese, over 400 pounds. I am not bashing her at all, she was very sad looking and I feel deeply for her situation.

I wonder how she was able to get to Europe from the USA in the first place, so she had to have flown with some carrier, why could those techniques used to get her over there, be reversed to get her home? Obviously there must be many facets to this story that the media has not filled in, therefore I reserve commenting on carrier responsibility.

But will be the first one to say, something or someone compassionate should have tried anything, even, God forbid a cargo plane. If someone like that had stepped up for these unusual circumstances to be remedied. I'm a big boy at 220 and I am flying F tomorrow because I feel more comfortable in that slightly larger seat, especially 6 hours or better. RIP to her and God bless her family, during this crisis. Are they bringing the body home to the US? guess not if they couldn't while she was alive.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22290 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 12):
But will be the first one to say, something or someone compassionate should have tried anything, even, God forbid a cargo plane.

Can you transport a passenger commercially in a cargo plane? No seat? No seatbelt? That can't possibly be legal.

Besides, how much is that going to cost?

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 12):
Are they bringing the body home to the US? guess not if they couldn't while she was alive.

Says she was buried there. I wonder where in Hungary they found the casket.

Again, she was obviously in multiorgan failure (at least heart, kidney, and pancreas, and I'd bet anyone a dollar that her liver wasn't exactly in great shape, either). She had no business going on a vacation. It's not "fair," but very sick people just should not travel.

There is a difference between "disabled," which is a static limitation that is unlikely to get worse on its own and "sick," which is a fluid and often progressive condition that will deteriorate without intervention.


User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1907 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 22252 times:
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I think the real question here, is if her condition was so severe that the 9 days away from a hospital means death, then what was she doing in Europe anyway!?

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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 22017 times:

I can't understand why she wouldn't have sought treatment in Hungary. Kidney Diseases and diabetes aren't exactly unusual. I'd be incredibly surprised if there weren't some very good doctors in Hungary who would have been able to care for her. I suspect that there may have been a cost element, most likely due to a lack of insurance or from being underinsured for the trip. Based on what scant information the daily mail provides I am surprised that to couple would even have attempted the trip in the first place.

As for the behaviour of the airlines involved I think they all tried really hard to accommodate her on their flights. It certainly sounds as if she was in a significantly worse physical condition for her return trip than for the outbound which ultimately made it impossible to accommodate her. It certainly sounds as if a medical repatriation would have been the only way for her to return to the US.



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 21939 times:

She could also have move by ground to another country in Europe best suiting her condition. France comes to mind, the UK also (Eurostar or Eurotunnel or even Ferry).

The airlines are clearly not at fault here. It's not even a question of having to book several seats for her, it's a question of going through the door or down an escape slide if it had to happen.

How do people get that fat anyway ? ... I couldn't even if I tried and believe me I can gain 10 pounds eating a mars bar.



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User currently offlineshufflemoomin From Denmark, joined Jun 2010, 480 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21699 times:

Here's a tip for you for the future. As soon as you hear about or read a story that makes you feel outraged, seems a little over the top and you see that it's source is the daily mail, just move on. It's almost certainly not the whole story or is altered to make it better "tabloid" material. Judge the story when you hear it from a credible source.

User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9731 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 21655 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Can you transport a passenger commercially in a cargo plane? No seat? No seatbelt? That can't possibly be legal.

Normally not. passengers are only allowed to accompany animals (most usual horses) or courier freight.

Now, lket's say it would be allowed, her weight was about 200 kg, but her volume was, at an estimated height of 160 cm and a girver of 200 cm the calculation would be 160x200x200 divided by 6 the weight charge would be 1067 kg.

At the general cargo rate +1000 kg not cheap but acceptable.

Food would be extra.  



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User currently offlinebaldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21377 times:

She killed herself with the excessive greediness. Nothing to do with the airline if she is too fat to safely fly. Sad, but true.

User currently onlinelh526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2381 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 21345 times:
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Airlines are responsible for the health and safety of every single one of their passengers. If one person is too fat and subsequently is a hazard for other passengers in case of emergency (blocking the isle, blocking the emergency exits, hampering passengers from egress) than it's the airlines obligation to deny that passenger transportation. Simple as that!


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21855 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21102 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
Why could she not see doctors and undergo necessary treatment in Hungary? Let me guess, no insurance cover for a pre-existing medical condition, although they claim that they felt staff would be unfamiliar with their medical needs.

If I'm not mistaken, whatever insurance she had in the US should cover healthcare costs while she's travelling abroad.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Can you transport a passenger commercially in a cargo plane? No seat? No seatbelt? That can't possibly be legal.

Besides, how much is that going to cost?

You can transport anything in a cargo plane if you set it up properly (and if it will fit through the door). But yes, it would be incredibly expensive.

-Mir



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21091 times:

Nobodies fault but her own, No excuse to get so over weight. People Always have to blame someone else or call on the lawyers to get some money out of someone innocent. The airline was protecting all its other pax by not having her on board.

To her family she clearly defines the phrase "cash cow". Hrmooo.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 21011 times:

By the way, this woman's husband is suing DL at home, in NY State trial court (Supreme Court) in Bronx County, NY (part of NY City) which is notorious for being Plaintiff friendly with Juries there giving stupid amounts in Judgments in cases like this. I suspect their lawyer is a real 'ambulance chaser', unethically looking for a huge jackpot for himself, due to the about 1/3rd of the Judgment he can get as compensation. Most likely DL will try to move the case to US Federal District Court in the Eastern District of NY, which includes the site of JFK airport and quickly move for dismissal of the complaint on a motion for Summary Judgment, citing that they had justification under USA law to deny her passage.

One can argue with her serious medical problems she probably should not have flown in the first place to Hungary, that her and her husband knew of the risks and the medical services she needed. Of course, if DL denied selling her tickets , they would have been sued for discrimination so they were in a no-win situation. Once in Hungary, DL probably wanted to avoid the risks and costs of any possible diversion, that her obesity and medical condition was such that it put her and other passengers at risk. Perhaps USA law needs to be changed to better protect both passengers and airlines as to medical conditions to prevent conflicts like this.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5743 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 20870 times:
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Looking at the scant information available about this in the media it appears this woman and her husband refused to seek the care that was available in Hungary yet the family is suing the airlines.

I wonder if this refusal of available care can be turned around on the family and criminal action taken against them.



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25 Quokkas : I don't know. The US Bureau of Consular Affairs web site suggests that not all domestic policies are recognised overseas and that while some may cove
26 KiwiRob : Unless you're a midget 220 pounds isn't that big.
27 Post contains images lightsaber : If 3 airlines refused the passenger, it was because the individual was not healthy enough to fly. The reality is the human body is not designed to car
28 RussianJet : This is what travel insurance is for. If his condition was that severe that he can't take a scheduled service, then he needs medical repatriation. If
29 KiwiRob : That's a serious problem especially in the US where 250 pounds isn't that big anymore, how do NFL and NBA players move around I guess well over half
30 EaglePower83 : True, she got to Hungary, but the article also states that she gained more weight in Hungary. It doesn't say how much, but perhaps the further amount
31 YYZYYT : From a legal point of view, there are many issues identified in the posts above... this is not an easy case, and the plaintiffs will have problems pro
32 Post contains links Gulfstream650 : She could have taken a ship. They still have them. http://www.freightercruises.com/voyages.php#transatlantic
33 Oroka : Regardless of her condition... if she cant safely fly, she doesn't fly. She cant get herself out of the aircraft (or seat) in an emergency, and would
34 JAAlbert : Good heavens, folks, the judgments! You have no idea why she became so heavy. There are lots of conditions that can lead to weight gain. Her photos s
35 Quokkas : I would like to add to what I have previously posted. Perhaps I have contributed to the view that the effected parties have only themselves to blame,
36 LFutia : Ja sorry I live in the US and based on all the other articles I read ( De Telegraaf and The NY Post), this one seemed more detailed. Leo/ORD
37 usscvr : Amen!
38 asctty : It s a shame ths woman died but I fail to see how the irlines can be directly held responsible for her death due to refused carriage out of Hungary. W
39 PanHAM : Do you still have to send in an application to get a permit to buy a ticket? There are excellent schemes for coverage of overseas medical expenses. T
40 135mech : Very true, however NFL players etc can still move under their own free will and will not be a hinderance to an evacuation. This lady (RIP) would have
41 boysteve : If she had of swim it might of done her some good!
42 IrishAyes : Bingo. The only way a pre-existing medical condition can be used is if it dated further back than 120 days before travel commenced. Given the physica
43 JHCRJ700 : I think that sums everything up excellently. I heard about this story and didn't read too much into it until now, but after seeing the pictures I can
44 Mnik101 : Long story short this will probably settled out of court if a suit is filed. But as a passenger I see why the airlines didn't let her fly. Not to soun
45 WB556 : There's a good chance that her medical conditions were either caused by or significantly aggravated by her extreme weight issues. It was irresponsible
46 lightsaber : Then make them pay for a heavier seat. It is only the crash which is unsafe. There are many individuals below 75lbm (we were all there once) who aren
47 United_fan : They should have strapped her to a pallet and put it in the cargo compartment.
48 meister808 : The fact of the matter is.. if I was the captain of the flight, there's no way that passenger would have set foot on my airplane. Safety does play a r
49 aztrainer : Depends if they filed it in the EU or in the USA. But, I think that they will cause it to "go away" just from the PR perspective. Agree, she was diab
50 Post contains images tripple7 : Very sad story Regarding some of the posters that comment that it would be unsafe to have her onboard and this would be a safety hazard while evacuati
51 Gatorman96 : And they were on vacation, so I doubt she was eating salads. I typically work out everyday, but still managed to gain three pounds over Thanksgiving
52 Post contains images B757forever : Pretty amazing. My question is...If she traveled from the USA to Europe, was the aircraft she traveled on equipped with Panasonic Eco 9i Integrated Sm
53 JAAlbert : Again, I think you're judging a condition based on very limited information. A person whose kidneys and/or circulatory system is shutting down can be
54 AA94 : First off, I feel incredibly bad for this poor woman, and I'm sorry this story had to have the ending that it did. However, I fail to see how the circ
55 ozark1 : This is absolutely right. She could have been an extreme hazard in an emergency.
56 LLA001 : I don't have much to say about this particular incident, airlines are not meant to be ambulances, if you are sick or need medical assistance in a flig
57 JAGflyer : Her weight is not so much the issue but rather her shape obviously makes it difficult to move around. My first question is how much weight could she h
58 RyanairGuru : No, there is no legal requirement to accept medical care. Similarly, if a next of kin refuses medical care on behalf of an incapacitated patient then
59 FrankAMS : Well yes, obviously her size is the issue. If she was 220kg and was 3m tall, I don't think there'd be a huge issue save legroom. But I think it's saf
60 AR385 : As a diabetic myself I can assure you that if I don´t stick to my diet, exercise and medication, even during vacation, I´m going to be pretty miser
61 apjung : Processed foods in America use high fructose corn syrup instead of real sugar compared to the rest of the world. It's possibly a major culprit to the
62 DocLightning : Because obesity in and of itself is not a disability. This woman was disabled because, among other things, she was missing a leg. I don't want to dra
63 boeingrulz : Please, do we have to discuss these sensationalistic stories about fat and obese people? The population in the United States is getting more obese for
64 MD-90 : Since she's missing a foot (likely from diabetes) and would need a wheelchair of some sort...am I the only one wondering how she could fit down the ai
65 DocLightning : I'm not sure Cunard would have taken someone so medically fragile.
66 9VSIO : Plenty of med-evac companies out there. I suppose the trick is to choose the right one. You'd be surprised at what can be converted into dedicated me
67 DocLightning : Unless you simply can't afford it.
68 woodsboy : Here is what does not matter: How or why she became so obese, it has no bearing on the situation or her rights to travel or whatever. What matters is
69 2175301 : The crux of the argument is that Airline "A" was willing to fly her from the US to Europe while she was morbidly obese; but then not home again. I am
70 Post contains images 9VSIO : I understand that the patient in question gained weight during her stay in europe and thus could no longer safely belong in an aircraft. The airlines
71 2175301 : So did she gain 10 - 20 lb; or 50-100 lb during her vacation. Many people gain 10-20 Lb on a vacation; and given that she weighted 425 Lb in the US b
72 Flighty : Sad that the person had a debilitating food addiction, but substance abusers with health problems are not a protected class IMO.
73 usdcaguy : I agree. The reason why so many are fat in the US, I believe, is because living a healthy lifestyle is hard in the US. Walkable neighborhoods are exp
74 KiwiRob : My guess is that boarding people of that size is fairly common in the US and they know how to do it, it's still fairly rare to see a massively obese
75 tdscanuck : That's not generally true in the US. Because of extremely high grain subsidies (especially corn), $/calorie is much lower on high-carb and HFCS-sweet
76 AF1624 : Honestly? No. I have seen obese people in France (actually, scratch that, the EU) but never to the point where it would restrict their movement. I be
77 135mech : So very true! It's a proven fact that when the economy craps out, McDonalds and the like make record sales because it's cheap and filling! 135Mech
78 135mech : I agree, however there are a lot of obese people (especially Americans) that think they shouldn't have to pay for the upgrade to the bigger seats or
79 lewis : I don't know what was going on in her head when she decided to travel around the world but considering her health had deteriorated so much, it would
80 Maverick623 : The lawsuit will be "valid", as in a judge will likely agree to hear it... but there's literally ZERO chance of it succeeding. Also, your wording is
81 Post contains links LFutia : According to this article from the New York Post, the man is suing the 3 airlines for $6 million dollars "The grieving husband of the Bronx woman who
82 135mech : UGH... So, an "airlift" and "seat belt extenders" are having "no issues at all"??? Sad that they thought this was a true statement! 135Mech
83 lewis : And that was before she gained weight and size during her trip. I still haven't read how much weight she actually gained there.
84 135mech : Precisely! It's a sad that society condones and encoruages this! 135mech
85 sweair : Maybe some persons are just too big for a civilian airliner? Maybe they would need to go on a cargo aircraft, wider doors and better equipment to lift
86 Gatorman96 : Yep...if someone's health can deteriorate so quickly and result in death, there is no way said person should be away from their primary physician, es
87 AA94 : Incorrect. KLM flew her to Poland, and Delta was supposed to fly her back. While they're in the same alliance, they're not the same airline, and may
88 135mech : AMEN!!! Blame everyone else and everything else for your problems! It's sad but it is exactly what society is all about now, it's truly disgraceful!
89 boysteve : It's funny that she ended up in Hungary of all places! lol
90 LFutia : Yes I'm curious as well to know how much she gained, but put it this way atleast now shes not suffering anymore. Leo/ORD
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