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DL Pilot Rumor: DL To Retire Pilots, 789 Order  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19478 times:

Pilot rumor, I know, but before you all begin to discredit me, it does make more sense than the TN rumor about a month ago:

I was chatting it up with a DL pilot after my flight today. This guy was one of the most senior pilots. He said that DL is in the process of having a high number of their pilots retire by the next 3 years. He said this in relation to me expressing some interest in Aviation. The conversation went more like "Oh you like aviation and you're studying Japanese....why not become a pilot? In about 3 years, we're going to need people like you. We're retiring a lot of people." Said the pilot.

He said the domestic 763s should be retired in the next 3 years as well  

He also touched upon the 787-8 order, which was deferred until 2020.

The main things he said were 1) DL would prefer to have GE engines and 2) They are more interested in converting that order to 787-9s with GE engines, with a 2014 or 2015 delivery date. He touched upon the fact that it was deferred to 2020 originally and said that "these dates always move up with DL."

How many, if any, 789s would DL order and for which roles ?


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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16940 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19472 times:

Can we just merge this with the MSP Asia FA rumor thread ?

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
"Oh you like aviation and you're studying Japanese....why not become a pilot? In about 3 years, we're going to need people like you.

Japanese speaking pilots  



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19360 times:

Oh good another rumor! Another flight crew rumor too. I'm surprised he didn't talk about another flight to Asia from MSP like the FAs......

So you somehow managed to get secret corporate information from a line pilot who somehow manages to sit-in on senior leadership and BOD meetings, amazing.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
was chatting it up with a DL pilot after my flight today

What is his desire to share insider information/rumor/opinion with you?

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
This guy was one of the most senior pilots.

How do you know this? Why would he tell you this? Was this because he was "older"?

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
He said that DL is in the process of having a high number of their pilots retire by the next 3 years.

Common trend across the industry.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
He said the domestic 763s should be retired in the next 3 years as well

Old news and public information as DL publically mentions this when talking about the 739ER order.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
He also touched upon the 787-8 order, which was deferred until 2020.

Old news and public information.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
The main things he said were 1) DL would prefer to have GE engines

Sounds like pilot chatter / opinion to me......

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
2) They are more interested in converting that order to 787-9s with GE engines, with a 2014 or 2015 delivery date. He touched upon the fact that it was deferred to 2020 originally and said that "these dates always move up with DL."

There is no real indication of such, considering the weakness across the Atlantic, the mods on the 763s, and no immediate need for any additional widebody capacity.

Sounds like more pilot opinion/chatter to me.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
How many, if any, 789s would DL order and for which roles ?

No one on a.net would have any reasonable guess, especially since DL by all means still has the order deffered until 2020.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19220 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Japanese speaking pilots

Well a number of airlines, when I have talked to them, say that airlines want pilots who speak multiple languages due to the language barriers, so I think this is a good idea.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
What is his desire to share insider information/rumor/opinion with you?

Well as you stated later in your post it's not necessarily insider info.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
How do you know this? Why would he tell you this? Was this because he was "older"?

There were multiple pilots on board tonight and they pretty much said "yeah he's one of the top guys" when I was chatting with him.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Old news and public information as DL publically mentions this when talking about the 739ER order.

Exactly, I was just saying.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
There is no real indication of such, considering the weakness across the Atlantic, the mods on the 763s, and no immediate need for any additional widebody capacity.

Still we don't quite know as well about the potential for expansion. Older 763s are being retired as well.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4255 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 19016 times:

It's so nice to read all the nasty comments. Really, people, if you disagree, then disagree, but don't act like 8 year olds. The guy had a conversation with a pilot and he's telling us about it!

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
The conversation went more like "Oh you like aviation and you're studying Japanese....why not become a pilot? In about 3 years, we're going to need people like you. We're retiring a lot of people." Said the pilot.

Let's hope that DL is better prepared than AA has been with regards to pilot retirements!


User currently offlinemplsjefe From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18961 times:

I guess FAs and Pilots at DL will, apparently and obviously, never know anything more or sooner than many very verbal, and seemingly kinda angry, people on this site.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 5):
It's so nice to read all the nasty comments. Really, people, if you disagree, then disagree, but don't act like 8 year olds. The guy had a conversation with a pilot and he's telling us about it!

Ditto.

If we all were as omniscient as some people on this site there would be no need for it.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9965 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18879 times:

Remember, there are lies, damned lies and rumors from pilots.....  




In the 33+ years I worked for DL, I can't remember many, if any at all, rumors that came from pilots that actually came true.


Just sayin'



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User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1034 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18826 times:

Yes, it seems like the comments are a little harsh, but essentially correct. Some pilots endlessly pontificate on the latest rumors and act as if they are privy to "inside information" to anyone who will listen. I can't think of a less reliable source of "inside information" than pilots, or any other front line employees for that matter. The latest one making the rounds is the FAA is going to raise the retirement age to 68. Sure they are.

For the record, I've been a pilot for a major U.S. airline since 1986.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18783 times:

Hold on, I don't think PHX787 is telling us anything new. DL retiring pilots... well, I've seen the ACTUAL lists (just look on travelnet or deltanet, whatever it's on) and you'll see that starting soon, HUNDREDS of pilots are retiring each year in the next decade.

About the 763s... are you sure he didn't mean that they're merging the ER category with the 767/757 category? I'm sure that some older 763s will be retiring soon, but maybe you misunderstood what the pilot was saying. My dad just bailed from the 767/757 domestic and into the ER category since the domestic category is being gutted and merged with the ER category.

About 789s... haven't heard anything really. I'm sure some DL fleet planners are considering it (as well as the other 787s and A350s)



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18765 times:

Pilots and FAs can be a good source of information for near-term operational changes and tactical updates (e.g, within a 3 month horizon). Pilots and FAs often learn of information that has near-term impact to staffing, bases, and fleet planning.

Pilots and FAs are not privy to medium and long term plans, strategic initiatives, and executive decisions. They most certainly are not privy to anything remotely confidential. Nothing that could be released to a competitor, supplier, or a vendor. Nothing that could materially impact the investment community.

The rumor mill is only more amplified since pilots and FAs talk alot together and mix fact, fiction, and opinion. Not a whole lot different than this board.


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18582 times:

Mayor is totally 100% completely totally correct.

Crews start rumors they want to be true. Last week had a heated discussion with a UA Express employee
whose Father flew for NW/DL didn't know jack.

When I see it in writing, I'll believe it, not before!

FI642



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 18580 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 5):
It's so nice to read all the nasty comments. Really, people, if you disagree, then disagree, but don't act like 8 year olds. The guy had a conversation with a pilot and he's telling us about it!

Seriously.   

Quoting mayor (Reply 7):
Remember, there are lies, damned lies and rumors from pilots.....
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 9):
Hold on, I don't think PHX787 is telling us anything new.

Honestly guys, I'm not posting this stuff as a matter-of-fact, I'm posting it as a matter-of-interest. It's as if you heard a different rumor on A.net from a different member...except it's not a member; it's a pilot who works for the airline, just like a lot of you. Seriously, if you're going to criticize my posting, then just ignore it. I posted this to have a decent discussion about the viability of what this pilot said happening, or anything regarding what he said. I was especially interested on his take on the 787s.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9965 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18497 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 11):
Mayor is totally 100% completely totally correct.

At last!!!!  



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12323 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18499 times:

Just a quick question about the retirements: with the "age 60" rule now having gone, how does DL know how many pilots will actually retire each year? Do pilots need to give DL any advance notice of their intention to retire at 60, or continue on after that?

Are there any statistics as to what what proportion of pilots actually retire at 60, or how many go on, and if so, for how many years?

The removal of the age 60 rule must have proven (is proving?) quite a headache for airline planners.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8643 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18497 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):

Well a number of airlines, when I have talked to them, say that airlines want pilots who speak multiple languages due to the language barriers, so I think this is a good idea.

I think its would be a requirement when doing scenic flights in a light aircraft to be multilingual, in an airline like DL, it is not a requirement. I know they like pilot/instructors in Guam to be English/Japanese speakers.



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User currently offlinefxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 700 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 18198 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 14):
Just a quick question about the retirements: with the "age 60" rule now having gone, how does DL know how many pilots will actually retire each year? Do pilots need to give DL any advance notice of their intention to retire at 60, or continue on after that?

Are there any statistics as to what what proportion of pilots actually retire at 60, or how many go on, and if so, for how many years?

The removal of the age 60 rule must have proven (is proving?) quite a headache for airline planners

Most companies require a notice of some sort when retiring. with pilots, since it's mandatory at age 65 (in the US) then that's a pretty good indication. Some take early outs, some go to the bitter end. THe removal of age 60 made it easier in the enar term, suddenly they didn't have to hire as many new crews. Though fincanically, they would have rather had lower waged crewmembers than senior ones at top of scale..

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Common trend across the industry

Absolutely, the Age 65 rule is coming up on the 5th anniversary. SO all the pilots that would have been forced out 5 years ago are being forced out now.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18701 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18114 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
"Oh you like aviation and you're studying Japanese....why not become a pilot?

Why would speaking Japanese help? Might help if you were going to be a F/A, pilots only need English. Now, would it be handy on Japan trips? Sure. But not professionally helpful, really.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
1) DL would prefer to have GE engines

Why? AFAIK, the only GE engines in the DL fleet at present are the 77L's GE90's. Their 772's are RR, their 747, 757, and 767 fleets are PW, and the A320 and 737 fleets are CFM. I'm not aware that the GEnX is that superior to the Trent that it makes sense to pay a cancellation fee. Both ANA and JL seem to be very happy with their respective choice of engines.

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
They are more interested in converting that order to 787-9s

That I would believe. I think the 789 will be to the 788 as the 763 was to the 762. The issue is that they need a 763 replacement. The 739 is not a 763 replacement in range or capacity, but rather a better replacement for the 752. The 788 is much closer. That said, they just got a bunch of A330's in the merger and those frames are ten years old or less. It wouldn't shock me to see some of them start to rotate on the former high-capacity 763 domestic routes, such as hub-hub services like ATL/SLC/DTW/JFK.

OTOH, Mr. Anderson has said that he would like to focus more on reducing fuel prices (rather than costs) and operating slightly less efficient airframes that are cheaper to own. So far, that model seems to be working well for the company.


User currently offlineocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 18074 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
AFAIK, the only GE engines in the DL fleet at present are the 77L's GE90's. Their 772's are RR, their 747, 757, and 767 fleets are PW, and the A320 and 737 fleets are CFM. I'm not aware that the GEnX is that superior to the Trent that it makes sense to pay a cancellation fee. Both ANA and JL seem to be very happy with their respective choice of engines.

The 767ER fleet is actually split: a portion is P&W, and the other portion have GE engines on them.


User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17751 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Well a number of airlines, when I have talked to them, say that airlines want pilots who speak multiple languages due to the language barriers, so I think this is a good idea.

Yeah but Japanese? Come on, I would think that after English, you want to be learning something like Spanish etc before you get to that......from a flight crew point of view I cannot make sense of that comment from the pilot.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
Why would speaking Japanese help? Might help if you were going to be a F/A, pilots only need English. Now, would it be handy on Japan trips? Sure. But not professionally helpful, really.

  

I do love all the rumours pilots come out with though, it makes this forum very interesting sometimes.
and we should not knock the thread starters


User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 17154 times:
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Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 2):
Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
2) They are more interested in converting that order to 787-9s with GE engines, with a 2014 or 2015 delivery date. He touched upon the fact that it was deferred to 2020 originally and said that "these dates always move up with DL."

There is no real indication of such, considering the weakness across the Atlantic, the mods on the 763s, and no immediate need for any additional widebody capacity

Delta took dlivery of its first 767-300ER back in 1991, they have to be replaced some time sonner then 2020. With 60 international 763ER's Delta needs more then that since its possible the 787-9 fleet would replace the NW A330 fllet too, this would standardize the meduim size long haul fleet.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15231 times:

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 17):
The 767ER fleet is actually split: a portion is P&W, and the other portion have GE engines on them.

Yep, and all of DL's 764ERs are GE-powered as well.



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User currently offlineMd88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1329 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15052 times:

Everything that pilot said was basic common industry/DAL knowledge. DAL prefers GE? Yes. Mandatory pilot retirements increasing over the next few years? Duh, Yes. DAL wants the 787-900 over the -800? Yes.

Any second language is nice for an otherwise qualified applicant, but... using the search function, priceless.


User currently offlineCatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 2802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14118 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
There were multiple pilots on board tonight and they pretty much said "yeah he's one of the top guys" when I was chatting with him.
Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
This guy was one of the most senior pilots.

"Senior" as in he's been at the company a long time and therefore is high on the seniority list, or "senior" as in he's a Director, VP, or SVP of Flight Ops?

[Edited 2012-11-27 08:05:02]

User currently offlinetimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12392 times:
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There's no doubt the domestic 763s are on the way out. The 753 fleet is being refurbished to serve as their direct replacement, while the 739ER order backfills lost 757 capacity. I'm hopeful for a revised 787 order, but wouldn't read anything into those rumors at this time.

User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5105 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12316 times:

Delta has often said that narrowbody replacement is its near-term priority, and that the current widebody fleet will serve its needs fine until about 2020. And that makes sense. In the near term the airline will be paying for 100 new 739ERs and adding leases for at least 88 717-200s. And a further narrowbody order will be needed before the end of the decade to replace the remaining domestic 757s and the MD-88s.

Delta's current management is also famously stingy with capital expenditures. I find it hard to believe they will buy even more aircraft than listed above in the next few years, especially when they are in the late stages of a floor-to-ceiling renovation of their existing widebody fleet. So conversion of the -8s to -9s or even the RRs to GEs is certainly a possibility, but getting 787s sooner than 2020 is much less likely.



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25 Post contains images Fabo : Yes, indeed. I do have to wonder though... whether it has ever happened... that someone from airline management has read a rumor about his airline on
26 PHX787 : I never really got any of that info, as it wasn't really important to me. Here's the thing I'm concerned about: are there enough 753s around to actua
27 seabosdca : No, but there are plenty of smaller aircraft allowing for either an increase in frequency or an improvement in yield on appropriate routes. When you
28 XFSUgimpLB41X : Everything he stated is true, just misunderstood here by people that aren't familiar with what is in motion: The domestic 763s he speaks of are the no
29 N62NA : Why would they have to be replaced sooner than 2020? If the oldest DL 763ER is still flying in 2020, it would be just 29 years old. DL has flown DC9s
30 seabosdca : Delta has said it's aiming for a 30-year life for its aircraft where possible. And the refit of all 58 763ERs, even the early '90s builds, shows that
31 jfk777 : A DC-9 is a completely different airplane. But AA is ditching all its DC-9-80 or MD-80, as they are popularly known, should AA be keeping them ? Some
32 AirframeAS : Why do you guys keep doing this? What makes you think that the word of any airline pilot is taken in stone? I never talk to pilots on stuff like this
33 seabosdca : If it has a 2013 interior (all new seats, side panels, lavs, bins, ceiling, IFE, carpet, etc., etc.), why not? The only way the customer knows the pl
34 Catiii : Too bad. If we could discern if he was a management pilot, rather than just a senior line pilot, it would add gravity to his statements.
35 B757forever : Yes and that LAN 787 is sitting right next to a brand new LAN 767. There are more 753 aircraft in the fleet than domestic 767 aircraft. The oldest 76
36 1337Delta764 : Furthermore, it has been stated that DL will be keeping the ETOPS domestic 763s (ships 1401-1404) for some of the Hawaii flights; only the non-ETOPS
37 DTWPurserBoy : The removal of the age 60 retirement, the DL bankruptcy and dumping the pilot pension on the governement, IMHO, means that more pilots are reexamining
38 burnsie28 : Looking ahead mandatory retirements: 2013- 50 2014- 101 2015- 158 2016- 208 2017- 260 2018- 386 2019- 464 2020- 528 2021- 710 2022- 756 2023- 693 2024
39 tommy767 : Sad the domestic 763s are being phased out though. I wonder how much money they spent on the cabin and AVOD refurbishments only to be retired 4-5 yea
40 AirframeAS : Where are these numbers from?
41 Catiii : Where are the the domestic 763's flying these days?
42 XFSUgimpLB41X : Those look like what is on APC and they are wrong on the low side. Ive submitted in a correction. There are 3 years in a row that will be above 800 a
43 mayor : And your source to validate what he said?
44 jfk777 : Many Pan AM and TWA 747-100 have between 15,000 and 20,000 cycles but 90,000 hours on the frames. It looks like ship 171 needs to go on Medicare and
45 seabosdca : They most certainly do. The 787 order with deliveries beginning in 2020. They may change the -8s to -9s, but either way the new capacity will replace
46 1337Delta764 : Furthermore, the 764ERs have even more useful life, and are the second most efficient widebodies in DL's current fleet (only behind the A333). They w
47 PHX787 : That makes sense. Built in the 80s as well, the plane I was on was "an 80s jet" according to the pilot. I see, thank you NW Not to mention that they
48 Post contains images dlramp4life : There are a good amount of domestic routes Usually hub to hub LAX,SFO,SAN,SEA,LAS,MSY,PDX,PHX, I bet there are more but those are just what came off
49 AirframeAS : If they come with the magic carpet, they're great! I love working on them. If they don't have them, then good luck! (The 738's are not that bad thoug
50 Post contains images 1337Delta764 : Yep, the 76Ts were delivered in the early 2000s, as well as all the 764ERs, with the newest 767 in the fleet (N845MH, built in 2002) being the most b
51 dlramp4life : That is what I am wondering. DL used to have the magic carpet system on the 738s but took it out for fuel saving purposes (please correct me if I am
52 mayor : I would imagine a large number of cycles would be harder on an a/c than the number of hours. Just because you don't know of it, doesn't mean they don
53 dlramp4life : The 767-300 entered production in 1986 while the 767-200 started in 1982.
54 Post contains images mayor : Is this an attempt to say they are crap or just a Freudian slip? Oh, for God sakes........put your big boy pants on and just work the flight! Think a
55 Acey559 : May depend on the company, but we're told the opposite. We have many pilots here that speak Spanish but we're told to never speak Spanish (not that i
56 mayor : Ok...answering my own question......DL took delivery of the first -300 in November of '86.
57 XFSUgimpLB41X : He stated 3 things: 1. retirements are coming in droves. Correct. Indusputible fact. 2. 763 non etops domestic config aircraft are going away pretty
58 seabosdca : He also stated something you didn't include: that 789s will be pushed up to 2014/2015. This is exceedingly unlikely for the reasons described above.
59 Post contains images dlramp4life : Wow, I can not believe I posted that. You guys get to see my college education at its best. I meant to say STAY around a little longer.. Whoops [Edit
60 PHX787 : You all fail to mention that I said that they're going to attempt to push the delivery up to a nearer date than 2020.
61 Post contains images AirframeAS : On the sCO airplanes, there aren't any magic carpets on the 738's, but they are not that bad to load. I enjoy the 738. People think I'm insane when I
62 aviateur : What did he mean by "people like you" ? I think he was referring to pilots in general, not to the idea that in three years time somebody could expect
63 DocLightning : Really? I did not know that. How did that come about? Why do they care? NW ordered RR, right? Wouldn't DL have a penalty to pay for canceling that or
64 1337Delta764 : For the domestic 763 fleet (except 1401-1404), DL went with the GE CF6-80A for commonality with the 762 fleet; DL was the only airline to order the 7
65 B757forever : This is just a guess but DL in the 90's formed a pretty tight relationship with the financial arm of GE.
66 XFSUgimpLB41X : Fair enough.... I agree that is unlikely and has not been stated by Anderson or the higher ups. That is the one thing I disagree with.
67 FlyASAGuy2005 : But they're heading out the door. Quite a few have been sent out for storage pending return to the lessor. A few are also sytematically coming up on
68 Deltal1011man : Delta has more Pratts in the fleet than anything. ~240 219s, ~300 2037s and ~120 4000s Delta has ~100 CF6s has ~20 GE90s They have ~16 T800s and will
69 TrijetsRMissed : Don't forget the ~40 -17s and soon to be ~50+ -217Cs.
70 brilondon : I just flew one home from SLC, and it had PTV's, which I am not a fan of as the selection is poor but still an aircraft its self could keep flying fo
71 FlyASAGuy2005 : To add to this remark, ships 624, 625, 626, 628, 629, 657, 5527, and 124 are all being returned to their lessors within the next 12 months.
72 brilondon : A question since the topic has come up here about replacing the 767, why did DL order the non-er version of the plane?
73 mayor : I may be wrong, but I don't think they were ever intended, when ordered, to be used on international flights......domestic only.
74 FlyASAGuy2005 : DL wanted a capable domestic widebody a/c. They've served them well for over 20 years now but they've reached thei sunset. I suspect all will be gone
75 incitatus : Delta used to have a very different domestic network. Summer 2000 timetable shows ATL-MCO with 12 widebodies per day, ATL-TPA and ATL-FLL 9 each. ATL
76 goosebayguy : Its not just pilots but engineers are getting to be few and far between too.
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DL (ASA) To Retire 7 ATR's posted Wed Jun 30 2004 20:04:05 by FlyPNS1
DL Wants To Cut Pilot Jobs posted Sat May 16 2009 07:29:41 by Burnsie28
DL To Ask Pilots For $1B Cut. posted Tue Jul 6 2004 10:00:50 by AirframeAS
DL To Recall Pilots posted Tue May 4 2004 12:56:17 by Dalmd88
Did DL/EV Reconsider Decision To Retire ATRs? posted Wed Jul 23 2008 17:43:43 by AVLAirlineFreq
Grinstein To Retire After DL Exits CH11 posted Thu Oct 12 2006 18:36:15 by DAL767400ER
Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats posted Tue Oct 9 2012 09:28:09 by 1337Delta764
DL To Retire 732s Early posted Sat Mar 19 2005 06:48:16 by DL763DFW
DL To Ask Pilots For $1B Cut. posted Tue Jul 6 2004 10:00:50 by AirframeAS
JFK-LAX/SFO: DL Plans To Compete? posted Thu Aug 23 2012 09:40:33 by questions
DL To Recall Pilots posted Tue May 4 2004 12:56:17 by Dalmd88
Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats posted Tue Oct 9 2012 09:28:09 by 1337Delta764
JFK-LAX/SFO: DL Plans To Compete? posted Thu Aug 23 2012 09:40:33 by questions
Pilot Rumor: TN To Be "acquired" By DL Somehow posted Tue Oct 9 2012 20:02:02 by PHX787
DL Wants To Cut Pilot Jobs posted Sat May 16 2009 07:29:41 by Burnsie28
Did DL/EV Reconsider Decision To Retire ATRs? posted Wed Jul 23 2008 17:43:43 by AVLAirlineFreq
DL (ASA) To Retire 7 ATR's posted Wed Jun 30 2004 20:04:05 by FlyPNS1
DL Wants To Cut Pilot Jobs posted Sat May 16 2009 07:29:41 by Burnsie28
Did DL/EV Reconsider Decision To Retire ATRs? posted Wed Jul 23 2008 17:43:43 by AVLAirlineFreq
Grinstein To Retire After DL Exits CH11 posted Thu Oct 12 2006 18:36:15 by DAL767400ER
DL To Retire 732s Early posted Sat Mar 19 2005 06:48:16 by DL763DFW
Grinstein To Retire After DL Exits CH11 posted Thu Oct 12 2006 18:36:15 by DAL767400ER
DL To Ask Pilots For $1B Cut. posted Tue Jul 6 2004 10:00:50 by AirframeAS
DL To Recall Pilots posted Tue May 4 2004 12:56:17 by Dalmd88
DL To Retire 732s Early posted Sat Mar 19 2005 06:48:16 by DL763DFW
Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats posted Tue Oct 9 2012 09:28:09 by 1337Delta764
DL To Ask Pilots For $1B Cut. posted Tue Jul 6 2004 10:00:50 by AirframeAS
JFK-LAX/SFO: DL Plans To Compete? posted Thu Aug 23 2012 09:40:33 by questions
DL To Recall Pilots posted Tue May 4 2004 12:56:17 by Dalmd88
Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats posted Tue Oct 9 2012 09:28:09 by 1337Delta764
JFK-LAX/SFO: DL Plans To Compete? posted Thu Aug 23 2012 09:40:33 by questions