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Emirates Performance On Seattle (SEA) Route  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Does anyone have any idea how Emirates is doing in Seattle? I know they quickly downgauged from the 777-300ER to 777-200LR, but have been curious about how the route is performing now that it's been operating for almost 9 months.

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User currently offlineCPA62 From Canada, joined Jan 2012, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5105 times:

I know cargo does very well!

User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5095 times:

The route started off very poorly.

I havent heard much about it since then which means its probably doing better now.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Very curious what the load factors and yields are now. That's good that cargo is doing well.


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User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4735 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 3):
Very curious what the load factors and yields are now. That's good that cargo is doing well.

Emirates loooves to move their cargo on their own metal...I'm sure a steady stream of 777 spares from Seattle is keeping those holds full.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 4):
Emirates loooves to move their cargo on their own metal...I'm sure a steady stream of 777 spares from Seattle is keeping those holds full.

I wouldn't put it past management of EK to demand as part of negotiations with Boeing that boeing move parts on EK



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):

I wouldn't put it past management of EK to demand as part of negotiations with Boeing that boeing move parts on EK

That sounds reasonable to me.


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

Anyone can look up SeaTac airport statistics:

http://www.portseattle.org/About/Pub...port-Statistics/Pages/default.aspx

Simply click on the "Total International Passengers by Airline" for a specific month and click View report.

Not sure how many seats Emirates has on their 77L into SEA, but ill let you guys do the math to figure a LF.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 4):
Emirates loooves to move their cargo on their own metal...I'm sure a steady stream of 777 spares from Seattle is keeping those holds full.

I can confirm that to be the case. Wonder how you came to that conclusion as well? What's your source? - LOL

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
I wouldn't put it past management of EK to demand as part of negotiations with Boeing that boeing move parts on EK

Actually they don't demand Boeing to do so but are quite insistent that their designated forwarders use EK unless over-sized. Lots of airlines do this when they have direct service to their main hubs from vendor locations. It's perfectly logical - why pay for something they can move for free?


User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Looks to me that they have a daily 777LR with 266 seats

--AUG 2012--

SEA-DXB
Enplaned: 6820
Seats Avail: 8246
LF:82.7%

DXB-SEA
Deplaned: 8267
Seats Avail 8246
LF: >100%??

Have I got my figures wrong, 266 seats x 31 days = 8246

--JUL 2012--

SEA-DXB
6,711 (LF: 81.4%)

DXB-SEA
7,962 (LF: 96.6%)

--JUN 2012--

SEA-DXB
7,353 (92.1%)

DXB-SEA
7,494 (93.9%)

--May 2012--

SEA-DXB
5,600 (67.9%)

DXB-SEA
6,271 (76.0%)

--April 2012--

SEA-DXB
4,625 (58.0%)

DXB-SEA
7,059 (88.5%)

Outbound leg is doing relatively well, looks like the summer was very good. No doubt they are targeting YVR as well with this flight. Which is why I am surprised with the restrictions into Canada why don't more Gulf airlines fly to DTW.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 9):
Outbound leg is doing relatively well,

This is anecdotal evidence only but here goes - my friends over at Port of Seattle tell me the flight looks to be quite full whenever they're in the terminal around departure time. Granted that's not every day and they aren't able to give me an actual head count.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2088 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 9):
Outbound leg is doing relatively well, looks like the summer was very good. No doubt they are targeting YVR as well with this flight. Which is why I am surprised with the restrictions into Canada why don't more Gulf airlines fly to DTW.

Several reasons.

First, Canada-Middle East isn't that large. Much of the traffic between these two regions is largely transit heading to points beyond your usual DXB, AUH, DOH etc.

Second, while nonstop Canada - Middle East is indeed under-served and restricted, there is still a vast amount of connecting opportunities available via LHR, AMS, FRA, CDG, ZRH, VIE, IST among others, pretty much via 1-stop from every major Canadian city.

Third, the transborder journey can be a nightmare; the lines and processing time can be unpredictable and once you add in the drive time and the traffic, the whole situation loses its competitive advantage. The cost savings (coupled with a long journey) ultimately may not be worth the hassle.

Now, that being said, DTW is expected to receive new service on a ME carrier fairly soon, on QR, TK, EK, not really sure who will come first. But it's been rumored and while I can forsee some transborder traffic utilizing those flights, I doubt a large contingent will come from major cities like YYZ, YOW or YUL.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 9):
Which is why I am surprised with the restrictions into Canada why don't more Gulf airlines fly to DTW.

There's plenty of capacity between the Gulf and Canada via Europe which avoids all the hassles (transit visas for many passengers, more security hassles etc.) of connecting in the U.S.


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3212 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 5):
I wouldn't put it past management of EK to demand as part of negotiations with Boeing that boeing move parts on EK

many airlines have specific routings for their spares.. if they operate routinely from SEA, the cargo is accumulated for the next flight, sometimes it's accumulated and sent via a codeshare partner or a freight forwarder to the nearest point where frequent services allows use of their planes. Some even ship surface.

the only exceptions are AOG shipments where delivery is urgent.. they go the fastest way


User currently offlineCO772 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3343 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 9):

Looks to me that they have a daily 777LR with 266 seats

--AUG 2012--

SEA-DXB
Enplaned: 6820
Seats Avail: 8246
LF:82.7%

DXB-SEA
Deplaned: 8267
Seats Avail 8246
LF: >100%??

Have I got my figures wrong, 266 seats x 31 days = 8246

Could the enplaned and deplaned figues include crew?


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Quoting CO772 (Reply 14):
Could the enplaned and deplaned figues include crew?

or infants...


User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Quoting CO772 (Reply 14):
Could the enplaned and deplaned figues include crew?

No the statistic clearly says enplaned/deplaned "passengers"


User currently offlinebthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2482 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 9):
Have I got my figures wrong, 266 seats x 31 days = 8246

With a difference of just 24, a one-off equipment change to the 77W would allow for that.

Update:

FlightAware shows that it was actually operated by a 772 with 346 seats on the 19 August. Hence the ability for greater capacity.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE230/history/20120820/0030Z/KSEA/OMDB

[Edited 2012-11-29 04:44:19]

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