True, but high yields are usually what determine a success of a route, loads don't mean much to airlines. For example KL and LH had extremely high loads out of MIA but both ended up pulling out due to terrible yield.
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6284 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2376 times:
Quoting miaintl (Reply 2): For example KL and LH had extremely high loads out of MIA but both ended up pulling out due to terrible yield.
LH pulled out of MIA?
You said the three obvious ones with LHR, ZRH and FRA. I am sure MAD might be in there too lots of business traffic between the two cities. But there wont any list or anything like that, these are all guesses.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1831 times:
In terms of average fares, of the very large markets (150 PDEW+), it's London, followed by Zurich. Of any market of at least 50 PDEW, it's Geneva. Moscow is also high up there and it's slowly approaching to become a 100 PDEW within 3 years.
Nice and Venice are also high fare markets at just over 40 PDEW.
Mark do you know why Miami-Moscow is so high-yielding? Are there any Russian businesses or corporations headquartered in Miami by any chance? I think Miami-Lisbon is pretty high-yielding aswell and gets a good share of business traffic considering Espirito Santo is headquartered here.
Do you see Aeroflot going daily to MIA in a couple of years? Funny that we don't have a Russian consulate in Miami with all these Russians in our city. Mark do you ever see Miami-Russia becoming a bigger market than Miami-Italy one day?
cybergus From Venezuela, joined Mar 2006, 445 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1461 times:
Quoting miaintl (Reply 9): Do you see Aeroflot going daily to MIA in a couple of years? Funny that we don't have a Russian consulate in Miami with all these Russians in our city. Mark do you ever see Miami-Russia becoming a bigger market than Miami-Italy one day?
I think we will see it very soon. Lately SoBe has become more and more controlled by Russians. The last few times I had some talks with the business owners there and they were all telling me that the Russian community is buying a lot of commercial properties specially in the Washington Av/Collins Av.
Nevertheless our city is pretty surprising. At first I thought that TP would remain as the black sheep and there they are as a strong contender in the TATL race. I am pretty sure that the top are LHR, FRA, ZRH...followed pretty close by DUS, MOW, FCO and LIS. On the other side...MAD as it is a highest yield route is now not going through it best as the Spanish Crisis is in its high. On the very bottom I think we have AMS, CDG and BCN as they are mostly leasure. Dunno where MXP and BER stand on this, but for sure BER will see a growth next year.
How do you know that Lisbon is a high-yielding market out of MIA? I simply assumed it because of Espirito Santo. I was under the impression that FCO was mostly low-yielding holiday traffic, I know MXP is the high yielding destination in Italy. Hopefully SU will go daily to MIA in the future, if the Russian market is what you say it is.
cybergus From Venezuela, joined Mar 2006, 445 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 964 times:
Quoting miaintl (Reply 11): How do you know that Lisbon is a high-yielding market out of MIA? I simply assumed it because of Espirito Santo.
Not only because of the "Espiritu Santo" bank and some other Portuguese businesses in the area, but also because TP is, among the 3 carriers with direct service to the iberic peninsula, the one with a bit higher business product and the ideal aircraft to fly the route with profitability. Also TP not only serves the portuguese market but the northern region of Spain (Galicia). The TP brand is very well known for travelers between this area and the americas (most of them do not like IB...and not to speak about AA). The increase in the frequencies might give us a hint that they know what they are doing and they are doing it good. The only thing I see from TP is that they need to make strong ties between their *A partners at MIA., that is, take advantage of possible connections to C.America with TA. If they do that I think we can see TP going daily soon.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6868 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 812 times:
Quoting cybergus (Reply 12): The only thing I see from TP is that they need to make strong ties between their *A partners at MIA., that is, take advantage of possible connections to C.America with TA. If they do that I think we can see TP going daily soon.
I don't know if TP will go daily any time soon, but MIA is not an ideal hub for connections because of the inherent TATL schedule and the visa situation for foreign nationals wanting to transit in the US. MIA will grow for TP thanks to their strong connections at LIS to Spain, Italy, England, Germany and to a lesser extent Africa and Moscow. TP has applied for increased frequencies to MOW and that will without a doubt connect a few more passengers to MIA. They are employing the same exact growth strategy at MIA that they have so succesfully used in Brazil: start with 3 weekly frequencies and build up the connecting traffic to/from Europe.