jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2021 posts, RR: 1 Posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7778 times:
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Not looking good for Iran Air. They hiked international fares 90%. There was talk earlier in the year of the government making a public company. Was this partially because of that? The article states the weak rial and increase in fuel prices but I can't imagine it would equate to a 90% change. http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/nov/27/ml-iran-economy/
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LAXintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22055 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7663 times:
The Iranian currency has been devalued, so yes airfares must rise also to keep par with hard currency.
I don't if this is a new increase, or in addition to the 50% increase last month on international flights which virtually all foreign airlines also instituted.
(Important to note -- there is really no base fare increase in essence if calculated in a foreign hard currency. The increase is when one uses the weaker local rial).
Many people greatly benefited at the expense of airlines by purchasing foreign tickets at Iranian travel agencies using the skewed rial conversion rate to garner fares at far below their hard currency cost. Turkish Airlines for instance recently had to restrict ticketing done in Iran as hundreds caught on to this game.
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KC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7385 times:
Third world aviation strikes again. Why anyone would fly with this airline is beyond me. Living life on the edge, I guess.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4973 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7025 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1): The Iranian currency has been devalued, so yes airfares must rise also to keep par with hard currency.
It really isn't a value-increase, just the fact that the currency isn't worth crap anymore.
Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 2): Third world aviation strikes again. Why anyone would fly with this airline is beyond me. Living life on the edge, I guess.
What happens when a state-owned airline goes under? Look at Malev, but this is Iran, we're talking about a country with multilateral sanctions being forced upon it.
There is nothing "3rd world" about Iran. While the country might not what you as an American subscribe to as "modern", they have many things going for them despite these sanctions bestowed upon it. 3rd world, they aren't.
Any why wouldn't anyone fly Iran Air? Get out more and you'll see that airline is just like most others. Given the circumstances, I'd say they've done pretty well for themselves and planes are as well maintained as a brand new one. SQ they aren't, but shabby they aren't either.
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rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6150 posts, RR: 25 Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6254 times:
Quoting jet72uk (Reply 5): Who in their right mind would want to fly on them anyway?
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10689 posts, RR: 100 Reply 7, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6208 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1): Important to note -- there is really no base fare increase in essence if calculated in a foreign hard currency. The increase is when one uses the weaker local rial
And that is what matters.
Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4): There is nothing "3rd world" about Iran.
That depends on the importance you place on 'rule of law.' I like traveling to places where the rules are more fixed and less likely to get me in trouble. I also put 3rd world where the government can tell you what you have to say (e.g., "death to America" in marble at the hotels... )
flaps30 From United States of America, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5438 times:
Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 2):
Third world aviation strikes again. Why anyone would fly with this airline is beyond me. Living life on the edge, I guess.
Talk about living on the edge, why on earth would anyone in their right mind step into a Saha Air 707 for a flight. These planes have to be at least 50 years old. You could not pay me enough money to fly on one of those.
vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3593 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5343 times:
Quoting flaps30 (Reply 8): Talk about living on the edge, why on earth would anyone in their right mind step into a Saha Air 707 for a flight. These planes have to be at least 50 years old. You could not pay me enough money to fly on one of those
I am with you here - but I know quite a few people who would sell their granny for the chance to get a 707 flight with Saha Air (and also quite q few who have made every endeavour you can think of to do just that - there is even some sort of aviation tourism to Iran (like to North Korea) to sample flights on rare and exotic Iranian aircraft ...).
flaps30 From United States of America, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5156 times:
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 10): rare and exotic Iranian aircraft ...).
135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 357 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4252 times:
Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4): Given the circumstances, I'd say they've done pretty well for themselves and planes are as well maintained as a brand new one.
Yes, they have truly "overcome" the impedences of sanctions to still maintain (highly) thier "aged" not "aging" fleet and still do well with it for safety etc. We still fly our old KC-135's all of the time and they are 50+, but a different mission altogether.
They cannot fly anything new and efficient, we all know those TF-33's and TF-39's are fuel burners (and maintenance hogs), so keeping aloft is a "true" task for them!
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 388 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3670 times:
Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 2): Third world aviation strikes again. Why anyone would fly with this airline is beyond me. Living life on the edge, I guess.
The people of Iran, who have very few choices to fly out of Iran.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1): (Important to note -- there is really no base fare increase in essence if calculated in a foreign hard currency. The increase is when one uses the weaker local rial).
Thanks for pointing this out. For anyone flying into Iran from outside won't notice the difference. It's the people living there that is in trouble. I sat next to this Iranian girl on a DOH-IAD flight this summer ... who had to almost pay double the Rial amount to get US Dollars for her research trip to the US (double compared to last year when more sanctions went in). And I believe the Rial has since slid down another 30-40% .... OUCH!
slinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3468 times:
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 7): That depends on the importance you place on 'rule of law.' I like traveling to places where the rules are more fixed and less likely to get me in trouble. I also put 3rd world where the government can tell you what you have to say (e.g., "death to America" in marble at the hotels... )
Iran is not third world in the conventional sense of the term, far from it. A despotic terrorist supporting government it may have, but it also has many in its population who wish it weren't so and many expats who also wish it weren't so. Damning a whole nation is a rather easy jibe to make, the truth, as always, is more complex.
Quoting jet72uk (Reply 5): Who in their right mind would want to fly on them anyway?
As above, not everyone in Iran believes in the mouthings of Mr Armajihad and they should have a right to travel and so do their friends and relatives overseas. Not all of them have the option of Austrian or Turkish airlines and the others who still fly there because many of them don't have easy access to foreign currency to do so.
falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 29 Reply 16, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3353 times:
Quoting flaps30 (Reply 8): why on earth would anyone in their right mind step into a Saha Air 707 for a flight. These planes have to be at least 50 years old
nope, they're 36 years old or so. Some of the youngest 707s out there. I have flown on DC-9s older than that. Age doesn't bother me it is the skill of the mechanics who fis them and the pilots who fly them that would interest me. There have been plenty of new planes that have gone down due to mechancial and pilots error issues.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21491 posts, RR: 24 Reply 17, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2499 times:
Quoting falstaff (Reply 16): Quoting flaps30 (Reply 8):
why on earth would anyone in their right mind step into a Saha Air 707 for a flight. These planes have to be at least 50 years old
nope, they're 36 years old or so. Some of the youngest 707s out there. I have flown on DC-9s older than that.
Many of DL's remaining DC-9-51s are older than Saha 707s.
KC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
I fly on 50+ year old aircraft regularly. The difference is, I work on the planes I fly on so I have a good understanding of whether or not it's safe because I am educated on the matter. I don't trust third world planes and I don't trust third world maintenance. You have to imagine that the sanctions imposed on Iran have a direct and negative impact on their ability to maintain their aircraft. For those living in Iran who simply have no choice but to fly on a domestic airline, I understand this, but for ANYONE ELSE to do it simply for leisure is, to me, an unacceptable risk given the circumstances existing in Iran today. I salute you for your bravery non the less!
flaps30 From United States of America, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2424 times:
Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 18): For those living in Iran who simply have no choice but to fly on a domestic airline, I understand this, but for ANYONE ELSE to do it simply for leisure is, to me, an unacceptable risk given the circumstances existing in Iran today.
Could not have said it better myself.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 17): Many of DL's remaining DC-9-51s are older than Saha 707s.
True, but the Delta planes are maintained by a global airline with all the materials necessary to maintain the aircraft safely. The Saha 707's are flown in a third world country with no means to get spare parts (Do spare 707 parts even still exist?). Flown and maintained by people who may or may not have the proper training. Would you really want to tempt fate like this by flying on one of those aircraft?
KC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2405 times:
Quoting flaps30 (Reply 19): True, but the Delta planes are maintained by a global airline with all the materials necessary to maintain the aircraft safely. The Saha 707's are flown in a third world country with no means to get spare parts (Do spare 707 parts even still exist?). Flown and maintained by people who may or may not have the proper training. Would you really want to tempt fate like this by flying on one of those aircraft?
Yeah, sure, plenty of spare parts. WE GOT THEM! The Air Force owns a couple hundred old 707s and stores them at DM for use on the KC-135 (sorta) and AWACS/J-STARS fleets. Also, the Navy has a few 707s for TACAMO. All those jets have the spare parts / depot / backshop support necessary for repair and overhaul. I would imagine Iran has NONE of this at their disposal.
Tupolev160 From Ukraine, joined Oct 2011, 318 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2281 times:
So many people in here seem to know ALL about Iran, but i don't even dare to wonder how many of those have actually been to that country. Near to zero, right? To be honest, i felt myself much more free while being in Iran than while i was in the US. And if you consider people's level of education and world-awareness as an index of human freedom and potential - then i can tell you that Iran ranks far above US and most Western countries in that matter. Iranian people are highly educated, cultivated and creative and the education only improved since the 1979 revolution during the present establishment. Iran is a fast developing country and the most developed in the Middle-East (besides Israel), far ahead of nicely-polished-touristic Turkey that imports virtually everything. In Iran at moments you catch yourself thinking you're somewhere in Europe. In short, before spitting at something - show that you have g*ts, get your tickets - on Iran Air or not - and discover it by yourself. It is easy to judge the rest of the world based on private-TV sponsored news and documentaries. Iran is nothing as you imagine it to be, just some people would want you to think that way so that nobody questions their illegal and criminal actions against that given country, be it now or in the future.
PS: So far Iran's worst air crash wasn't caused by old aircraft of maintenance neglect but by a US missile fired on a civilian plane. You might like to discuss that one when talking of aviation safety and "rule of law". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
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skywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 147 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1980 times:
Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 22): So far Iran's worst air crash wasn't caused by old aircraft of maintenance neglect but by a US missile
Unfortunate we have to go there and statement completely overlooks that Iran was shooting at us at the time. There's a lot that shouldn't have happened that day but once the shooting starts bad things happen. The US has publicly acknowledged the mistakes made on our side and paid compensation. Your profile shows you are from the Ukraine. They had a missile test not long after 9/11 that is widely believed to have shot down S7 1812. Officially the Ukraine won't admit they were responsible but offered compensation as a humanitarian gesture. Aviation would be better served if the Ukrainian gov't was as open about what happened that day as the US gov't has been about what happened to IR 655.
AirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1546 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1918 times:
Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 22): So many people in here seem to know ALL about Iran, but i don't even dare to wonder how many of those have actually been to that country
I agree. Generally Iranian's are extremely polite, humble and hospitable people. Very friendly and to the very least hostile. Infrastructure there is of top quality and design.
Yes sanctions are taking a toll on the Rial or Tomans and it eventually weighs down on the average Iranian.
Keeping politics aside, Iran is generally a place of intelligent, and educated people and within the aviation environmnt i think they have done a great job in keeping those old birds in the sky. I have stepped on a Saha 707 before and will doso again if given a chance.
26 shankly: Agree. Since the year 2000, Iran Air has lost one hull in a serious accident...yes there have been a few non-fatal incidents. There are one or two ot
27 Tupolev160: You said "shooting at you". But can you explain to me what were your ships doing 10.000 km away from home next to Iranian territorial waters? Is like
28 pvjin: Even in Saha Air 707 you are probably way less likely to die in an accident than when travelling same time in a car, so what's the problem? Anyway pe
29 skywaymanaz: Next to, as in outside her territorial waters in an international waterway. No further explanation needed. Aviation is my like and desire. Ukraine, u
30 ushermittwoch: Glad to see our American members talk a lot of unsubstanciated smack here again. Well, you seem to forget how the USS Vincennes also breached Iranian
31 skywaymanaz: Hey guys If you go back and read a lot of my posts from other threads you'll see I frequently have criticized numerous policies of my gov't with regar
32 planespotting: Let's all take a deep breath. FACT: The United States supported the despotic Shah of Iran before the Iranian Revolution, rightly earning the ire of a
33 Tupolev160: Actually the Vincennes was in Iranian waters when the incident took place, so useless to play with vocabulary. Well, i don't remember ICAO taking any
34 skywaymanaz: Couldn't agree more with the entire post planespotting. You left out our involvement in Mosaddegh's removal but yeah we get the picture. Btw I grew up
35 Tupolev160: I support all you say, but if Iran shouldn't be allowed to possess nuclear weapons so shouldn't Israel or the US, who are far more belligerent and ir
36 ushermittwoch: What do you mean by "externally unstable?" I cannot recall Iran invading other countries, unlike the United States (which they do on a very regular b
37 skywaymanaz: I was already thinking we were heading off an Iranian version of Godwin's Law cliff but now we're really hanging off the edge on the original law.
38 planespotting: Good points, and I did anticipate these arguments as potential logical "holes" in my last "FACT." However, let me say what I mean by "externally unst
39 jetblueguy22: This thread has gone off topic and turned into a political debate. It will be locked to further posts. Blue
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