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UA Removing A Row From A319's?  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3187 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9900 times:

Hey all,

Was just looking at our summer schedule and noticed that all the A319's are listed as having a capacity of 8/106, compared to their current configuration of 8/112. Is this true, that all A319's are/will be reconfigured??

If yes - why?? They all already have Y+ seating so it's not like the sCO birds that are having rows removed to add the Y+ cabin.


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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3658 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9875 times:

Aren't they scheduled to get updated interiors and possibly WiFi added or LiveTV?


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User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8893 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9746 times:

Would seem to be the opposite of Delta, which added seats to its A319s in order to reduce CASM. Interesting if true, to say the least.

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9706 times:
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Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
If yes - why??


I don't know either.

But I would guess it would have something to do with increasing the front from 8 to 12 -- to be identical to the 737-700s which are already 12/106 .

[Edited 2012-11-27 19:42:58]

User currently offlineHOMsAR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8928 times:

I recall reading that for schedules many months out, UA puts a generic configuration available on the seating chart to protect against equipment swaps (such as to a 737-500) that reduce capacity. When it gets closer to departure date, the seating chart will be revised to the actual planned aircraft type for the flight.


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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8380 times:
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Would be better if they removed the 319 from the fleet.   

User currently offlineLostSound From Canada, joined May 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7974 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 5):

Would be better if they removed the 319 from the fleet

Are UA's not comfortable?

I've never had any issues on Air Canada's A319 planes.

[Edited 2012-11-28 10:56:30]

[Edited 2012-11-28 10:56:55]


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7475 times:

United's A319s are very, very comfortable and well maintained planes.

They're far more pleasant than their 73Gs due to the seating and the color scheme.

NS


User currently offlinefloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

Quoting LostSound (Reply 6):
Are UA's not comfortable?

UA's A319s are some of the most comfortable aircraft I've flown on. Very spacious  



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4411 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6681 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 5):
Would be better if they removed the 319 from the fleet.

I'm a big fan of the A319. It's "cozy" inside.

For the record, I've also flown on A320 and A321.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6657 times:
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Quoting gigneil (Reply 7):
They're far more pleasant than their 73Gs due to the seating and the color scheme.

And seats on the 700s are 1/2 inch narrower than the 319s.



Quoting fxramper (Reply 5):
Would be better if they removed the 319 from the fleet.

Remove one of the narrowbody workhorses? What would be the point of that?


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 7):
They're far more pleasant than their 73Gs due to the seating and the color scheme.
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
And seats on the 700s are 1/2 inch narrower than the 319s.

See, I like the 737's better. I'm also not fat, though.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4229 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6462 times:
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Quoting N766UA (Reply 12):
I'm also not fat, though.

Hmmm.

But . . . don't skinny folks also upgrade to the front where the cushiest seats are?  


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6384 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 13):
But . . . don't skinny folks also upgrade to the front where the cushiest seats are?

Aren't there more cushy seats available in the front of a 737?

There's nothing wrong with the 319s, I just have always been more comfortable on 73's.



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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6361 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 12):
Quoting gigneil (Reply 7):
They're far more pleasant than their 73Gs due to the seating and the color scheme.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
And seats on the 700s are 1/2 inch narrower than the 319s.

I'm neither here no there on the interior, but I just flew on a 73H last week for the first time in a while (last was an old-school DL 738 ~6 years ago), and the cabin size was quite noticeable. The seats were noticeably narrower, and I felt like the shoulder/head room was a bit tighter as well. It was interesting to compare after flying all Airbii the last couple years, but definitely much more "snug".


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

Haven't flown on a UA A319 but I have flown on one of the A320s. Why the hell cant they put the same cushiony seats from the A320 in their 737s!?


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User currently onlinecosyr From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

could this have anythibg to do with a capacity compromise for the pilot contract they are negotiating? I know it doesn't make much sense to lower capacity, but if they agreed to a certain number of aircraft under a certain capacity, then UA could use the 319's until a C series or ejet order could be delivered. Just wishful thinking on my part, but I can dream...

User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6199 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 16):
Haven't flown on a UA A319 but I have flown on one of the A320s. Why the hell cant they put the same cushiony seats from the A320 in their 737s!?

Well first I think many of the 737s from CO are relatively young so prob not in need of new seats anyway, but also given the narrower cabin they may not make the same seat in a smaller size for a 737. EIther way though, it will be interesting to see where all that goes moving forward. With the new refits to 2-class 763s and the like going "CO style", they may just standardize of that.

Quoting cosyr (Reply 17):
could this have anythibg to do with a capacity compromise for the pilot contract they are negotiating? I know it doesn't make much sense to lower capacity, but if they agreed to a certain number of aircraft under a certain capacity, then UA could use the 319's until a C series or ejet order could be delivered. Just wishful thinking on my part, but I can dream...

I can't cite it exactly, but I know I have seen a couple rumors about the wanting to standardize the 73G and 319 part. So that doesn't mesh with dumping a row necessarily, but going to 12F I would think is certainly a possibility.


User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6164 times:

Quoting HOMsAR (Reply 4):
I recall reading that for schedules many months out, UA puts a generic configuration available on the seating chart to protect against equipment swaps (such as to a 737-500) that reduce capacity.

That's funny because that's exactly what happened on the last UA flight I was on. The flight was originally sold as a 738 from DEN-CLE, but it was later downgraded to a 735 a few weeks ahead of time.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 7):
United's A319s are very, very comfortable and well maintained planes.

     

I rather enjoyed the UA A319's.



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User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6164 times:

My theory is that.

If seats total 112 without the TV the payload weight total in full 149,000 LB (example only)

If seats total 106 with TV the payload weight total in full 150,500 LB.

Probably Airbus 319 is limit in full payload no more than 151,000 LB.

If they keep seats 112 with new TV and would have been full payload total is 152,000 LB that is unacceptable from FAA or Airbus weight overload.

What do you think?

Q


User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5416 times:

Quoting Q (Reply 20):

I think UA may have the IGW A319s, which I believe is something like 166,500lbs so that wouldn't make a difference,



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5407 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 18):

Wasn't CO going to change the seats on the 737s because they were found to have a fault in the seat because of the manufacturer?



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 21):
I think UA may have the IGW A319s, which I believe is something like 166,500lbs so that wouldn't make a difference,

They do. They also have a 24k+thrust bump option to get them off Stapleton/DEN's runways in the summer.

NS


User currently offlinesancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 22):

I think those seats never received FAA certification due to the fault and never made their way onto any frames. IIRC, there are a few pictures on the site with a bunch of CO 73H's sitting in Renton waiting on seats.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 23):

Thanks sir, I couldn't remember, I knew HP and UA were the only us airlines that bought the IGW versions. And I think they use the V2524-M5 engines like HP which are standard at 24k thrust with a bump for a bit more.... hope someone could verify that...

Quoting deltairlines (Reply 2):

They just filled in the holes in row 8 which had no window seats on either side of the aircraft, so not really what I would call a big deal since they didn't add any new rows. They went from 12F/112Y to 12F/114Y.



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 3):
Quoting Transpac787 (Thread starter):
If yes - why??


I don't know either.

But I would guess it would have something to do with increasing the front from 8 to 12 -- to be identical to the 737-700s which are already 12/106 .

That is not correct. With E+ the 73G is 12/100 not 12/106

73G is 12F, 40E+ and 60Y = 112
319 is 8F, 40E+ and 72Y=120

Using Seat Guru it looks like taking the 319 to 12F would reduce E+ pitch from 35 to 34 as 3 extra inches of pitch in F would need 1 inch from each from E+ rows. UA has some 34 inch pitch E+, but mostly 35 inches.
If a row of F added, 319 would become
12F, 36E+ and 72Y = 118, still 6 more seats than the 73G.


25 asqx : Actually, Delta went from 16F/108Y to 12F/114Y on the A319. The 737-700s on the other hand have always been 12F/112Y.
26 United1 : UA is installing slimline seats on the 320/319s starting next year....think that might give you that lost inch.
27 Transpac787 : This, is actually, the incorrect statement. Pre-Y+, the sCO 73G's were configured 12/112. Now post-Y+, they are configured 12/106. You may be mistaki
28 gigneil : They are definitely 12/106. NS
29 cosyr : I don't know if they are planning to add a row of F later, but I just searched a random 319 flight in July and it definitely has 8/106 on the seating
30 phllax : Pre-merger UA was going to up the F on the 319 to 12 to match the 320 due to the numerous swaps they regularly have.
31 kgaiflyer : Oh? Then it's United.com that must be all wrong, since that's where I got the numbers.
32 CALPSAFltSkeds : Sorry, I shouldn't have used SeatGuru, which shows 12/100, but has 12/106 seats on the map. Adding 4 F seats to the 319 would result in equal numbers
33 VC10er : I have been on a hundred flights on UA from LaGuardia to O'Hare over many years. I hated the OLD UA 737's, loved the A319/320's and 757's. UA always h
34 RDH3E : So what you're telling me is: 73G = 12/106 319 = 8/112 So what are you seeing published at 8/106....Gee lets take a wild guess. These types get swappe
35 cosyr : Why does the seat map skip from row 32 to row 34? It is the row 33/34 that are in question here. The flight I searched only went up to 32. I really ho
36 Post contains images Transpac787 : Swing & a miss The 73G is operated by sCO pilots and sCO FA's while the 319 is operated by sUA pilots and sUA FA's. Personally working 4 days a w
37 Post contains images RDH3E : *IN THE SCHEDULE. These types are both placeholders that UA uses all the time. God forbid someone who actually knows gets listened to around here
38 kgaiflyer : As far as I know both of these statements are correct -- on SFO-SNA-SFO and SFO-SEA-SFO. I fly the routes every few weeks and it's a 737-700 one trip
39 Transpac787 : Indeed. Clearly that person is not you, though. As you assumed the logistics in swapping sCO and sUA fleet types was something done "like crazy".
40 RDH3E : You crack me up. I stipulated later that I was referring to swapping them in the schedule, as that is what the OP is referring to. He's looking at su
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