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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 122  
User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23564 times:
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Continue discussion here. The last part can be found here:

New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 121 (by ZKOJH Oct 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6430 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23586 times:

Zk-OKP is on approach for the WLG flyover right now... And I think FR24 lost him at 2700ft.


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User currently offlineMegatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23564 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 1):

Just saw it "from the top" via One News Live Broadcast - totally awesome. But wished we were back in Welly to witness it though!  


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 23384 times:

Looked great from atop Mt Vic. Flew straight up Kent Tce.

Texan



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 23228 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 3):
Looked great from atop Mt Vic. Flew straight up Kent Tce.

OKP departed AKL at 1624, 38,000 ft at 1637, descent at 1649, two circuits off Queen Charlotte Sound at 9,300 ft, over Island Bay at 1,400 ft, Kent Tce / Cambridge Tce at 1,300 ft, back in AKL at 1815. Good rate of climb.

Also, QFA27 SYD-SCL overflew WLG at 1640 and RAAF Challenger A37-002 as 'ASY343' arrived WLG from CBR at 1708.

PA515


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12157 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 22756 times:
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Just booked a WLG-AKL-LAX and return flight for christmas and I was able to see/select my seats before I paid. How long has NZ allowed this? Didn't see the option when I booked a flight to AKL two days before the new seat purchase choices took effect!

Also booked a US F fare to DTW after reading/talking to Koruman about US fares and looking at UAs fares/options and yip US was certainly cheaper in EVERY fare class - especially F and NZs connecting fares. Thank you Kman for the advice! After booking I then discovered something that well......made me a little unhappy......I could have booked a Dreamliner ticket from Houstan - LAX at the time I was wanting!


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 22568 times:

''Air NZ to extend partnership with Cathay to other Asian cities''

Air New Zealand's strategic partnership with Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific Airways will "in time" expand beyond the Auckland-Hong Kong route to include parts of southern China and Southeast Asia, the airline's chief executive, Rob Fyfe, said.

Fyfe said on the sidelines of a Star Alliance gathering in Shenzhen that expanding the Cathay Pacific tie-up won't be easy.

"There are some constraints or respect we'd need to show to our alliance partners in terms of working with a member of another alliance," Fyfe told The Wall Street Journal.

He said the development of its strategic tie-up with Cathay Pacific would take place "only in areas where we don't have a viable Star Alliance solution". These include Southeast Asian countries like Vietnam and Malaysia, he said.

http://www.cargonewsasia.com/

We can rule out NZ flying to Vietnam or Malaysia in the future then



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User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 22505 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Just booked a WLG-AKL-LAX and return flight for christmas and I was able to see/select my seats before I paid. How long has NZ allowed this? Didn't see the option when I booked a flight to AKL two days before the new seat purchase choices took effect!

A few weeks, I'm very surprised this whole project hasn't been brought up here to be honest. It's been on the cards for a few years now.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 6):
We can rule out NZ flying to Vietnam or Malaysia in the future then

Was it every ruled in? I mean AKL-HAN or AKL-SGN? Then, head to head with MH to KUL, on point to point traffic only? As well as all European traffic is trying to be forced over PVG and all Asian traffic is trying to be moved over HKG.

There is more network news coming in the near future.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12157 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 22482 times:
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Quoting NZ6 (Reply 7):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):Just booked a WLG-AKL-LAX and return flight for christmas and I was able to see/select my seats before I paid. How long has NZ allowed this? Didn't see the option when I booked a flight to AKL two days before the new seat purchase choices took effect!
A few weeks, I'm very surprised this whole project hasn't been brought up here to be honest. It's been on the cards for a few years now.

Well I guess good things take time. Guess it also puts to rest the problem many passengers have of not being able to see what seats are still free before booking, even if it means you've got to do a 50% dummy booking first to see if the seats you want are there like I did.


User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 22310 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 8):
Well I guess good things take time. Guess it also puts to rest the problem many passengers have of not being able to see what seats are still free before booking, even if it means you've got to do a 50% dummy booking first to see if the seats you want are there like I did.

Its part of the paid seat and pre paid bag project, the time was spent in IT development. The potential of these enhancements are now endless.

The benefit isn't design to be you seeing the seat map prior to payment (there is still hight risk that someone wont complete a booking based on not have their ideal seat available).The basis of this is to allow passengers to purchase their seat preference or excess baggage.

Depending on who you are the "good things take time" may not be so good


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7189 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 22252 times:

IIRC It was available as an option from about the 14th to prepay your baggage, pay for a priority seat or assign yourself a seat for all flights after about the 22nd November. Golds can still select a bassinet or exit row FOC. At the same time Golds can now select a seat only fare and still check in 1 bag@23KG.

Yes it has been a long time, and if I had the choice I would have implemented it all at the same as the S2S was introduced, but US DoT once again forced the hand of the airlines with direct services to the USA to streamline all the baggage charges, so that all the baggage fees for an itinerary must now be charged at Origin, not at Point of Transfer.


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 22245 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 10):
At the same time Golds can now select a seat only fare and still check in 1 bag@23KG.

When was this announced? I must have missed it. I can't see this being updated on NZ website though.


User currently offlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 22067 times:

I was lucky enough to get ZK-MVA on a ROT-CHC flight yesterday, and want to echo the already glowing comments of both the outside and inside. Felt very spacious for a narrow-body turboprop and don't know if it was just me but it seemed quieter than the ATR-72 500 and other turboprop. Great little aircraft!

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4830 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22046 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 7):

A few weeks, I'm very surprised this whole project hasn't been brought up here to be honest. It's been on the cards for a few years now.

About 5 years after most other airlines... NZ has really dragged the ball on this one!



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2998 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22016 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 7):
A few weeks, I'm very surprised this whole project hasn't been brought up here to be honest. It's been on the cards for a few years now.

Strange you didn't say so on the many occasions I've raised it in the last 3 years.

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 9):
The potential of these enhancements are now endless.

It's pretty clunky compared to most other sites. You have to go through the complete booking process, short of paying, before you can see the seats. On most other airline sites, you can just select a flight and see what's available.

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 9):

The benefit isn't design to be you seeing the seat map prior to payment (there is still hight risk that someone wont complete a booking based on not have their ideal seat available).

What a 1960's "we know what's good for you" attitude. This doesn't seem to be an issue for most other airlines. In my case, if I can't get a satisfactory seat on AC when it matters (e.g. red-eye YVR-YOW), I just look for alternate flights (on AC first). End result - I'm happy I'm not in a window/middle seat on a 5+ hour transcon, AC gets my repeat business because I can view available seats prior to booking.



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User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 21874 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 11):
When was this announced? I must have missed it. I can't see this being updated on NZ website though.

It's on there, go and make a booking and you will see the options.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 13):
About 5 years after most other airlines... NZ has really dragged the ball on this one!

Has it really?

Interesting comment and really shows your knowledge of where Air NZ is at, what it's working towards and where they are at with customer interaction.

I don't mean that to be a personal attack I just don't think you're aware of the bigger picture here.

I don't know if "dragging the ball' is the right analogy here when as you've seen over the past few years the introduction of more and more "add-on's" such as insurance, seats to suit, sky couch, credit card fees, grabaseat+bag, One Up etc

When you have a strategy like this you want to ensure they are launched when the right IT inferstructure is in place and when the time is best suited for customers, for example you will note this all started with a low impact credit card fee several years ago. Also other projects have taken priority and as I said earlier this IT work now opens the door to many more possibilities.

It will be interesting to see the annual results mid next year when QF announces another massive loss and NZ reports a profit again. I wonder then if some will still continue to pick apart NZ's performance and changes.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 14):
Strange you didn't say so on the many occasions I've raised it in the last 3 years.

And why would I share this confidential information on these forums?

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 14):
It's pretty clunky compared to most other sites.

That's a matter of opinion, personally I find it fantastic and I find the seats maps easier to read than other sites.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 14):
"we know what's good for you

As I said, the seat map is in there as way of "selling" something extra, there is strong opinion that offering a seat map when there an't 'good' seats available would deter potential purchasers. Personally I would go with the experts on this, the have done the industry research and watch user usage on the website so they know what customers look for and want.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7189 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21765 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 15):
It will be interesting to see the annual results mid next year when QF announces another massive loss and NZ reports a profit again

I know both the initial projections for profits generated by this latest change, and the projections after the first 2 weeks of sales, and it will certainly help the bottom line in no small way.

Personally I think all the changes are fair and reasonable and for everyone who keeps within the bell curve (particularly regarding the prepaid luggage) they will find it advantageous.
Couples, Families and small groups now have a way of ensuring that they are getting seated together even if they do not book together without running the risk at the airport.
Seat only passengers have a means of not being sat down the back if they choose a priority/forward seat
Infants who require bassinets pay for them.
Tall people who cannot afford business or PE but who currently always miss out on exit rows gain a way of ensuring a seat is to their liking.
space seats are available for purchase at the airport (space available) which are a bargain for a 12h flight!

All I will say, as a single passenger I finally feel like I have options onboard NZ now - single customers having previously been shafted to fit between every other group on the plane.
The onus is on me as an informed consumer to decide what I value and whether or not I am prepared to pay to guarantee a specific seat.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21765 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 15):
Interesting comment and really shows your knowledge of where Air NZ is at, what it's working towards and where they are at with customer interaction.
Quoting NZ6 (Reply 15):
When you have a strategy like this you want to ensure they are launched when the right IT inferstructure is in place and when the time is best suited for customers

Reading another discussion board and it sounds like the customer interaction hasn't been that great with this new scheme. IT had a few hiccups as well with some not so happy customers (high value ones too apparantly)


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21709 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 15):
It will be interesting to see the annual results mid next year when QF announces another massive loss and NZ reports a profit again. I wonder then if some will still continue to pick apart NZ's performance and changes.

To be fair, NZ's success or otherwise should not be measured by how QF is performing. I am sure anyone will agree that NZ does't have the level of competition (both domestic and international) and the very ugly politics QF has to face everyday. NZ has most of their domestic and long haul routes to itself. The only long haul route ex AKL which they have direct competition will end up with an alliance with that very competitor (CX). I can't imagine similar pact getting regulatory approval in Australia. They are also allowed to established a Shanghai base where crew are paid Chinese rates. QF's unions would never let that happen.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12157 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 21629 times:
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Quoting NZ6 (Reply 15):
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 14):
It's pretty clunky compared to most other sites.

That's a matter of opinion, personally I find it fantastic and I find the seats maps easier to read than other sites.

I thought the seat map was well presented and very easy to read compared to when I was looking at the US and UA seat maps several days ago for flights in the USA

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 17):
Quoting NZ6 (Reply 15):
Interesting comment and really shows your knowledge of where Air NZ is at, what it's working towards and where they are at with customer interaction.
Quoting NZ6 (Reply 15):
When you have a strategy like this you want to ensure they are launched when the right IT inferstructure is in place and when the time is best suited for customers

Reading another discussion board and it sounds like the customer interaction hasn't been that great with this new scheme. IT had a few hiccups as well with some not so happy customers (high value ones too apparantly)

I booked a few weeks ago a WLG-AKL day trip and couldn't select a seat on the WLG-AKL sector but could on the 'night rider' service coming back. The same thing happened last week after booking the NZ LAX sector, couldn't select the AKL-LAX seat but could on the other 3 flight. Phoned NZ reservations and a few mins later could select a seat. Teething problems maybe?


User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 21575 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 16):
I know both the initial projections for profits generated by this latest change, and the projections after the first 2 weeks of sales, and it will certainly help the bottom line in no small way.
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 18):
To be fair, NZ's success or otherwise should not be measured by how QF is performing. I am sure anyone will agree that NZ does't have the level of competition (both domestic and international) and the very ugly politics QF has to face everyday.

I didn't mean to allude to the fact that this one or these projects will be the difference but overall they will all contribute to the bottom line.

Compare QF and NZ - QF is still flying around a fleet of aging 767 and 747's and in my opinion is doing all it can to keep it's in-flight product at a minimal level. They have had to cut half their 787 order and JQ and QF domestic are all but the only areas of the Qantas Group which is prevents them from being another Pam Am

NZ on the other hand has positioned itself well given the 787 was to be a game changer in 2009 or 2010 (I can't recall originally).

It's developing the China market well (to Koruman's horror) even though China is the fastest growing inbound market for New Zealand. Koruman will now claim it's low cost tourist that fly that route, well 74% of NZ's market is leisure.

You've seen NZ claim back $20+M in credit card fees, you've seen all 10% the growth in the Tasman go to NZ after the seats to suit option, you've seen the alliance with DJ be a winner for everyone.

DPS, MCY were successful, PER is now a 777 and LAX is back to 14x a week
PVG is working towards weekly

If you know the figures for what this latest add-on is predicted to earn annually then you'll need to increase it as it's increased already, you add that as 100% profit to the bottom line and when you're earning $70M a year (average) you'll know this is invaluable.

Do I need to go on?

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 17):
Reading another discussion board and it sounds like the customer interaction hasn't been that great with this new scheme. IT had a few hiccups as well with some not so happy customers (high value ones too apparantly)

I believe so as well, so to quote zkpilot, is NZ "dragging the ball?" probably not. Does this change need to happen, probably if NZ wants to increase revenue. Is there a right time for this? No, did NZ wait as long as possible to ensure the right measures where in place to build on it. Yes!


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2998 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 21358 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
I thought the seat map was well presented and very easy to read compared to when I was looking at the US and UA seat maps several days ago for flights in the USA

I agree the seat map itself is well presented. By clunky, I meant that you have to go all the way through entering pax info etc before you can see the map.

For example, from YOW I can fly NZ to AKL via LAX, SFO or YVR. If I'm bringing family, I have to enter complete information for 5 pax in three separate "dummy" bookings in order to look at available seating. On most other airlines' sites, I can enter the flights and see what's available.

But at least it's better than guessing which route will have the best available seats, which is what I've always had to do, and being thoroughly pissed off when I find myself in 26B on a 744.

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 15):
there is strong opinion that offering a seat map when there an't 'good' seats available would deter potential purchasers. Personally I would go with the experts on this

I guess other airlines must have different experts. AC's experience is that most pax are indifferent or will simply select the best that's available. Some, like me, will consider different flights/routings, but I'll ultimately be a happy return pax because I won't find myself stuck in an uncomfortable seat.

Another thing that AC does (well), is to present different available seats depending on FF status. If I'm flying Y, I'm almost always able to select a seat in the first 2 rows.

For me, being able to see the available seats is also useful when I want to use an upgrade credit. I'll choose an AC flight that has the most available J to maximize the likelihood of the upgrade being available. I realize that that's not applicable to NZ, which auctions upgrades.

Which brings me to another reason that I've taken my business (about $50K per year) elsewhere than NZ after 54 years. NZ represents itself as permitting *A points upgrades, but it doesn't in practice. After fruitless correspondence with NZ (stock PR responses which don't address my issue), I've finally written to *A pointing out that this is misrepresentation and suggesting that NZ be removed from the list of carriers on the *A website that offer points upgrades.



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User currently offlineNZ6 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2010, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 21286 times:

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 21):
I guess other airlines must have different experts. AC's experience is that most pax are indifferent or will simply select the best that's available

AC operates in a completely different environment to NZ and comparing them wouldn't be that accurate, NZ's premium customers by in large get their favourable seating, the 74% leisure market aren't all seat driven entirely.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 14):
if I can't get a satisfactory seat on AC when it matters (e.g. red-eye YVR-YOW), I just look for alternate flights (on AC first). End result

And it's just this reason NZ was wary of including seat maps prior to payment. What if you can't see you're ideal seat or 2 seats together? you book elsewhere and if you're leisure / price sensitive you may book on someone else when NZ probably can still accommodate you request once "other" seats are made available.

It's almost like the saying - you don't know what you're missing till you've lost something.

It pays to remember that half a dozen or so opinions on this forum don't represent the 11.7 million passengers NZ carries each year. We should be discussing what needs to happen to accommodate the majority aside from what personally suits us individually.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 18):
To be fair, NZ's success or otherwise should not be measured by how QF is performing

OneUp, OneSmart, Seats to Suit, Paid Seat, Pre Paid Baggage, Skycouch...

If all of these initiatives generated $10M per year, that would be $60M, add that to an average profit in recent years of $70M - you end up with $130M profit.

Someone remind me what QF has done in recent years?


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2998 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 21125 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 22):
It pays to remember that half a dozen or so opinions on this forum don't represent the 11.7 million passengers NZ carries each year. We should be discussing what needs to happen to accommodate the majority aside from what personally suits us individually.

That's completely fair. On the other hand, I'll travel on what suits me personally - and NZ is $50K a year poorer.



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User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 21095 times:

Quoting NZ6 (Reply 22):
It pays to remember that half a dozen or so opinions on this forum don't represent the 11.7 million passengers NZ carries each year. We should be discussing what needs to happen to accommodate the majority aside from what personally suits us individually.
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 23):
That's completely fair. On the other hand, I'll travel on what suits me personally - and NZ is $50K a year poorer.

And you can add another $80K or so from my family. So Kaiarahi + 4 Korufamily = approx 130 casual short-haul/Tasman passengers.

I don't object to the idea of ancillary revenue, at all. I think its rank bad business to antagonise your HVCs any more than necessary when your long-haul fleet is so reliant upon a 1-2-1 Business cabin and a 2-2-2 Premium Economy one.


25 aerokiwi : Agreed. Especially when the comparison tends to be pretty superficial. QF's losing big on international now (though isn't NZ as well?), but when the
26 koruman : I don't understand the criticism here. I don't object to China-New Zealand air services, not at all. I just think that they require aircraft configur
27 koruman : I apologise for the sneeringly elitist tone that I am going to reply in. There is leisure travel, and there is leisure travel. Air New Zealand failed
28 aerokiwi : Yeah it's a funny one. The main driver for this seems to be the appreciation of the Aussie dollar against the US, which makes sense - you get more ba
29 koruman : When I was two years out from university - which was 1994-95 - I used to work in Takapuna. My secretary was a spinster who used to go with her girlfr
30 aerokiwi : Yeah, I had family who'd been wanting to go there for years, but found it too pricey on NZ, FJ had stopped offering connections and they weren't comf
31 Post contains images IndianicWorld : QF leaving the route has surely helped there too. Daily you mean I think that was quite clear anyway. They are likely too thin to make work. Overall.
32 sunrisevalley : I would agree. Hind sight is 20:20 but they should have kept the ( was it) three 767's that they returned three or four years ago. They took a gamble
33 cchan : It seems they have gambled on this over a few fleet and upgrade decisions and have lost a few times, and somehow they still think the 789 is the solu
34 777ER : NZ have shared NZ107s photo of the All Black 77W landing at AKL on their Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/#!/AirNewZealand
35 aerorobnz : You have plenty of options, given that New Zealand is such a small isolated island market with low population density. CX/KE/TG/NZ/QF/MH/SQ/CZ/CI all
36 NZ107 : Wow.. AKL looks like a huge mess right now.. NZ102 has been on the tarmac for well over an hour. Must be a couple of other international flights waiti
37 ZKSUJ : AKL was closed for a couple of hours today AFAIK. A few flights delayed for departure out of other domestic ports as there was no gate space in AKL. V
38 haggis73 : AKL Airport refuelling operations shut down from 1200-1730 due to lightning strikes in the vicinity. AIAL Emergency Operations Centre opened at 1630
39 Zkpilot : I highly doubt a 5.5 hour halt in refueling would cause the airport to reach saturation point! Very busy yes. There is plenty of space at AKL the mx
40 NZ107 : Well if the outbound Asian wave never leaves, you're stuck with a heck of a lot of other arrivals wanting space at the gates! Doesn't help either whe
41 aerorobnz : then you would be wrong. It did reach saturation point as Haggis73 said, NZ136 diverted because of this. Layovers 17,18,70,71,72,73,75,76,77,78,83,84
42 ZKSUJ : They didn't allow check in for our flights due to no gate space, pax kept waiting alot of the time. A/C weren't even cleared to start at other ports
43 koruman : Where did NZ136 go, I presume only CHC has a long enough runway for a wide body?
44 NZ107 : Sure did. I'd say it's probably more to do with the fact that CHC has the capability and room to handle a 772 internationally; and the far less risky
45 zkncj : Yup, NZ136 went to CHC. I had a mate that was on NZ934, they waited on the ground for 3hours before being towed to a gate to get off!
46 aerokiwi : Whoa whoa whoa! Can an aircraft simply ignore an instruction to divert? Wow sounds like quite the scene at AKL. Anyone manage to grab any snaps in th
47 Kaiarahi : Sure, depending on the fuel situation, for example. But in this case, CHC was presumably the alternate for which fuel was calculated.
48 ZKSUJ : Yea man, captains discretion at the end of the day in that case.
49 koruman : I'd be curious to know the knock-on effect of this. In my experience, at this time of year there are lots of Kiwis flying to holiday in Queensland on
50 NZ107 : I'm pretty sure NZ136 got back in time for at least a connection to NZ2's departure. I know that AKL-HKG was delayed by an hour to accommodate delaye
51 777ER : I'm hoping someone could help me with the NZs 77W Y+ seating. Whats the difference between seats 24K and 26K (apart from 24K being considered a prefer
52 aerokiwi : But surely (legally?) they took on enough fuel for the diversion airport, which must have been CHC. Why would the Captain refuse? Can they refuse jus
53 ZKSUJ : Don't know. Hard to say without knowing what actually went on in the flight deck at that time.
54 aerorobnz : It landed 2045 ex CHC. those on NZ6 moved to NZ2, NZ8 was delayed anyway so waited. Not really much of a knock on... especially compared to the rest
55 zkncj : Does anyone know what the story is with ZK-TLB is it being scrapped? Also anyone know what the major forcourt changes are at domestic from early Jan13
56 NZ107 : I hope they're getting rid of the 'extra' taxi stand area made for the world cup.. There's absolutely no room for cars picking up and dropping off pe
57 aerorobnz : I have it on good authority that ZK-TLB is confirmed as being scrapped on site. Wings now removed and fuselage to be moved tomorrow to the AKL boneyar
58 zkojq : One of Air Pacific's Boeing 747-400s is having a C-Check and to cover its absence, the airline has wet-leased a EuroAtlantic Boeing 777-200ER. Does an
59 aerorobnz : Not scheduled to come to AKL at all, just LAX & HKG. we will be lucky if we get a technical swap... Yes, it was purchased as scrap from the deser
60 koruman : It's kicking off on the Honolulu route..... AKL-HNL in Business on Air NZ drops from $2500 each way to $2100 long-term as soon as Hawaiian enters the
61 sunrisevalley : Is West Coast US-HNL-AKL a buy in Y with Hawaiian ?
62 aerorobnz : Currently being pushed withn 2/32KG luggage and with HNL as a stopover, rather than a transfer (even though it is possible for some connections.)
63 sunrisevalley : Rob....How much ?
64 aerorobnz : Without looking too deeply into it, There seem to be 4/4 8 day packages with hotels included LAS $2099 LAX $2699 NYC $2959
65 nz2 : I dont believe there is any extra leg room between 24 and 26 K, yes the wing/engine starts to impede. My wife and I flew to London in 23A/B earlier t
66 777ER : Thanks aerorob and NZ2. I've selected 23A returning. 23A/B and 23J/K are certainly seats to pay extra for for several reasons
67 deconz : Any pixs of CZ's A380 @ AKL today? How did they manage 3 x A380's at once?[Edited 2012-12-10 02:53:49]
68 ZKSUJ : Remote stand maybe? I saw an EK 388 on a remote stand a couple of days ago next to the gate 15/16 area, maybe a trail run for using A380 with stairs?
69 byronicle6 : I could be wrong but I believe it's departing CAN on the 10th and arriving into AKL today (11th).
70 NZ107 : CZ arrived about 1.5-2 hrs after the arrival of the EK A380s.. Plenty of time there to offload one of them and send it to a remote in time for the CZ
71 deconz : Aha ... and EK don't depart until 1840/1850 so there is time for CZ arrival at 1700 at one of those gates as a one off.
72 koruman : Today's BBC News website carries a feature on "The World's Biggest Cities" which should be mandatory reading for Air NZ route planners. We have seen a
73 Post contains links motorhussy : Just read this article at... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16761784 ...and, while it confirms China's financial capital as having closer to 16-m
74 motorhussy : Hope someone got a photo or two of this!
75 Post contains links NZ107 : It could only have been done from someone airside.. http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/2012/12/some-more-of-b-6139.html Man, they even gave it a water
76 Post contains links and images mariner : I think Air NZ would be point blank crazy to ignore this market: http://www.tourism-review.com/china-...st-market-for-nz-tourism--news3477 "China has
77 koruman : Air New Zealand and the Realm of New Zealand have completely different needs and priorities. The Realm of New Zealand benefits enormously from the sp
78 mariner : There is an unbridgeable gulf between us - you're all about classes and aircraft types and I'm all about bums on seats, because the Chinese still hav
79 koruman : For the sake of comparison with my earlier Shanghai comments, here are some current and terminated Air NZ Pacific Rim destinations: Honolulu: Populati
80 koruman : Yes, they do. But their combination of VFR, student and package holiday demographics does not justify any of Air NZ's current fleet. It justifies EIT
81 mariner : I don't know why you're trying to persuade me - there is that unbridgeable gulf between us. As I said, I'm about bums on seats and the rest is housek
82 ZKOJH : NZ gave up on TPE the same time EVA AIR were on it, All I see is them going backwards, They want to expand to other markets, but don't have any free a
83 sunrisevalley : They have no other aircraft with a CASK as low as the 789 which I assume they need to make money from the clientele they are serving. A 789 will haul
84 Post contains images mariner : From what you're saying, at a lesser cost than the 767. mariner
85 sunrisevalley : I wonder if NZ took a look at the SQ stake in VS . There is the possibility of course that based on history SQ wouldn't return any phone calls.
86 aerorobnz : I'm sorry, but giving up a whole market to a predatory carrier like CZ is not the answer. Give a cashed up carrier of 400+ aircraft and capable of suc
87 Zkpilot : Any thoughts on NZ potentially leaving *A now that DL is buying 49% of VS and has a close relationship with VA (which NZ of course owns 19.99% of)? NZ
88 aerorobnz : I don't see it myself - A few individual partnerships that are out of Star does not mean much in the current aviation climate - no more than the QF/E
89 aerokiwi : I'm actually all for the China routes and am surprised at Koruman's hostility to it given they did exactly what he wanted and shifted down a gear to
90 WSTAKL : Can someone tell me why QF134 AKL-MEL, according to flightradar24 and flightaware was over the eastern Bay of Plenty region. Surely some kind of error
91 xiaotung : I believe there is a cost relating to leaving *A which I don't think NZ would want to fork out, not to a degree where they have to leave the alliance
92 ZK-NBT : It is certainly partly avaliability with additional flights to North America being added and PER going 772, PVG was to be 5 weekly 772s from July aga
93 aerorobnz : you mean besides personally working in a very relevant operations department? In truth it is a combination of several factors, and yes I believe, and
94 sunrisevalley : Are NZ getting max passenger payload with the 763 to PVG ? PIANO-X suggests that they are not. What has never been clear to me is whether NZ is consi
95 Post contains links xiaotung : http://auckland.scoop.co.nz/2012/12/...ew-initiatives-for-tourism-growth/ China Southern has even said that they would bring B787 to AKL as one of the
96 aerorobnz : CZ was already supposed to have started here with 787s, but they decided at the last minute to upgrade/standardize the product into SYD and other pla
97 Post contains links KiwiRob : Maybe because there are 370,000 dollar millionaires living in Shanghai, to put this into perspective there are only 132,000 dollar millionaires in Au
98 koruman : But that's the problem, isn't it? The Chinese passengers who are coming on Air NZ to New Zealand are not the dollar millionaires. They are by our sta
99 Post contains links zkojq : Tourism NZ activly markets to 'Active Considerers'. In China, 'Active Considerers' usually spend 10000 yuan or more on a trip here. Interestingly, 60%
100 KiwiRob : And you know the cliental of all the luxury lodges in NZ how? I have a friend who works at a luxury lodge as a greenkeeper for there golf course, lot
101 Post contains links and images 777ER : NZs next ATR 72-600 ZK-MVB is flying in France View Large View MediumPhoto © T.Laurent Not sure what to think about the black and white livery honest
102 NZ1 : I think it looks OK on the smaller aircraft such as the ATR above, but think it will look rather bland on a 777-300ER due to the amount of fuselage t
103 NZ107 : Bring back the blue and teal. If anyone asks me what I think the blandest livery is, I'll be saying air nz.
104 WSTAKL : Well said that man. Everyone 'takes the michael' out of AY and JL's revised bland liveries, but this is just as bad. And as has been said in various
105 cchan : Perhaps black paint is just cheaper? They removed meals, in flight magazines, and everything else they think unnecessary, now they have run out of th
106 ZKSUJ : Agree with everyone on here. It's a shame the black is being brought in
107 Post contains images zkojq : Does anyone know why an Atlas Air 747-400F with an Air Pacific call sign flew over yesterday? Air Pacific doesn't occur to me as an airline that would
108 Kaiarahi : Looks like a cheap and nasty afterthought - like the signage on a dollarama store or an appliance parts warehouse. Classless.
109 aerokiwi : Are you allowed to show us what the proposed livery a few years back was? I remember you dropping hints at the time. Or maybe even just describe it?
110 sunrisevalley : Why would NZ permit its AKL-HKG flight to be "sabotaged" by allowing code sharing on CX for this sector. It seems to me that the CX 343 and NZ 77E pr
111 deconz : It wasn't a 744F but a 744 Pax version. Replaced the EuroAtlantic 772 on wet lease while FJ's 744 is in maintenance.
112 Post contains links and images NZ107 : By itself, no, not really. But when did a couple of thousand dollars come into the question? If they were on the budget side, they would have picked
113 NZ1 : No I can't sorry. NDA's and all that jazz to contend with now. NZ1
114 Post contains links koruman : Back to the Honolulu discussion....... People might be interested to read this article: http://www.news.com.au/travel/holida...awaii/story-e6frfqd9-12
115 Post contains links xiaotung : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10854497 China Southern wants to partner with NZ. I don't think NZ would be inter
116 ZKSUJ : At least with that scheme, the font looks classy lol. It's a shame, I haven't met one person yet (Staff and public) who thinks the black tail looks g
117 NZ107 : Haha it only looks good on a 762. Anything longer and that title starts to become less significant. Yeah and if they do revert back to the previous l
118 zkncj : Ah the days of NBJ only flying AKL-SYD-AKL and AKL-CHC-AKL
119 zkojq : That explains it, thanks. I didn't know Atlas Air had Pax 747-400s.
120 Post contains links and images KiwiRob : It would have been pretty easy making the black look good on a plane yet they woosed out, I like this guys ideas.
121 Post contains links ZKOKQ : The Hobbit was in Brisbane today, was great to see her in the flesh and she sure draws a crowd. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...95087693257&
122 NZ107 : Indeed, fond memories of domestic widebody travel!
123 TN486 : Would like to revisit this line of thought in 3 years time.
124 aerokiwi : So do I! And imagine how good that would be in the blue/teal colours. One can only hope that a change of CEOs brings with it a change in taste. Indee
125 DolphinAir747 : I haven't had the patience to check if someone already asked this, but why doesn't NZ route its AKL-LHR westbound flight via SIN (maybe finally sendin
126 cchan : any source to this, would be interesting to know. thanks.
127 aerokiwi : Meanwhile, it appears we're on the verge of a return to duopoly days on the Tasman with the ACCC approving the QF/EK tie-up, but for 5 years instead o
128 aerorobnz : Until the 744 is retired from the fleet... If monopolies and duopolies are not your bag then New Zealand is probably not the right country to reside
129 DolphinAir747 : Will CZ be sending the A380 to AKL on a permanent basis?
130 aerokiwi : I like this roll over and accept it mentality, very New Zealand. But I suppose it conforms to the company line (how NZ can oppose this when it mirror
131 mariner : I'd rather the market work it out. For many (leisure and VFR) flying is discretionary and they can elect not to go if the fares are perceived to be o
132 aerorobnz : Same here. deregulation and a free market is the only way to go. regulators in this part of the world are far too powerful and involved for their own
133 aerokiwi : Generally, I would agree. Except aerorobnz pointed out explicitly how, from the customer perspective, the market has failed. New Zealand's market cha
134 mariner : I don't see that the market is "failing." I might the concept of regulators as a safety net, but not as a nanny. I'm a big boy, I don't need one. It
135 aerokiwi : Of course ownership matters. Ownership equals control. Control over where what was a competitor may now deploy resources, its rate of growth, its ove
136 mariner : Jetstar provides (generally) lower fares than Qantas. It is it's reason for being. On my own? I don't claim to be able to influence anything much - o
137 DolphinAir747 : Would LAX-AKL be a good route for the AA 788? NZ has a monopoly on direct services between the two countries so there's probably space to undercut the
138 777ER : IMHO I'm not expecting AA to land in AKL any time soon as AA have connections to New Zealand via Australia obviously with QF. DL maybe, but then agai
139 DolphinAir747 : Going from LAX to AKL involves a significant backtrack, and QF flew the route until recently. Maybe AA could time it to connect with LAX-LHR.
140 Post contains links xiaotung : http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...0747/Push-for-magnificent-Mainland Could we see the return of NZ's CHC-LAX service with the new CEO?
141 gemuser : IMHO the problem with this suggestion is that AA has plenty of other routes that probably would make more money than LAX-AKL. I don't expect AA to se
142 Post contains links and images mariner : The article suggests they think ti will happen, as well as a China service. I think China - PVG? - would be interesting. http://www.stuff.co.nz/south
143 Mr AirNZ : The problem being last time it was tried it didn't lead to any growth in the overall New Zealand to L.A. market, it simply cannibalised some of the A
144 ZKOJH : Apart from HA coming to AKL think it was raised in another thread, that no other US airline is going to start an AKL service so NZ have got it to them
145 NZ107 : I wonder if EK would push QF to reopen AKL-LAX and then offer some RTW options. It has been a known fact that EK wanted to start the route themselves
146 Zkpilot : There has been talk of late of this... it would be a QF flight as EK would not be able to operate it. If EK were to pick up half the tab then it migh
147 xiaotung : I understand NZ's reluctance to fly long haul anywhere other than AKL, but it will not stop foreign airlines operating into CHC as they don't have th
148 777ER : Could someone tell me please what aircraft is operating NZ6 tonight please?[Edited 2012-12-22 12:18:57]
149 deconz : Anyone know the delivery flight details for ZK-MVB? It's showing as delivered to NZ 22/12/12!
150 ZK-NBT : Hmm, and where would they get the A380s from? Reduce LHR further? Or LAX, which I can't see them doing. I think they just added a new F lounge at HKG
151 BonzoLab : Sometime during the afternoon of the 27th.
152 zkojq : I'm pretty sure AA's cost base is quite a bit higher than that of Air New Zealand. Qantas' AKL-LAX flights were already the longest route operated by
153 Post contains links 777ER : All flights from WLG are delayed or cancelled this afternoon due to fog. My flight to AKL was cancelled. Now re-booked on tomorrows LAX flight. http:/
154 ZKSUJ : It's gonna be chaos tomorrow. Especially if the fog doesn't lift
155 haggis73 : Looking at tomorrows sheet when I left work tonight, it was OKP.
156 Post contains images NZ107 : Sounded like chaos. I arrived back in AKL at 7pm and they were saying that there was no space for rebookings until the 15:30 flight. And I don't supp
157 Post contains images 777ER : Wellington's expecting low cloud with light winds. Guess PPQ and PMR are always an option if the weather looks touch and go. Tried to change to a PPQ
158 ZKSUJ : That's pretty cool, I remember flying into there a few years ago, that was a good experience, I can only imagine it would be alot more so in an ATR.
159 Zkpilot : QF currently has a spare A380 since Nancy Bird came back (when not refitting other A380s). The aircraft also currently spend about 15 hours each day
160 aerorobnz : I just got in from an afternoon trip down to Wellington. Lots of people in the terminal but seemed to be ok, flights just 100% LF. The weather was ver
161 zkojq : Has Wellington's Night Curfew been lifted? It is 1AM yet ZK-PBA just landed and ZK-OJI is lining up for final approach.
162 zkncj : I know there is something in the rules that in some cases will allow delayed Internationals services arrive up to a certain time past curfew.
163 Post contains links PA515 : ZK-MVB overnighted PEN and is on www.flightradar24.com as 'SXI1288', presently between KUL and SIN with an a A340 icon as it's been misidentifying al
164 aotearoa : Merry Christmas to you all! May 2013 be a happy, healthy (aren't these the essential foundations?) and 'airliner' filled year for each of you. Thank y
165 HLZCPH : Thanks Aotearoa, may there be blue skys ahead for you and yours. While we have our differences, some stated more than others! It certainly keeps thing
166 koruman : It's the differences which make it fun! I have some ding-dong arguments with Mariner, but I'm actually rather fond of him. It's rather sad that I'm po
167 Post contains images ZKSUJ : This comment brought a smile to my face...
168 DolphinAir747 : Very funny! Hppy holidays from one of the rare posters not from Middle-earth! On another note, while SYD-DFW-AKL-SYD could be a good routing if the 7
169 NZ107 : The thing is they already have so many flights direct to LAX. The DFW was supposed to be for those who aren't part of the O&D traffic to the West
170 Post contains images mariner : Right back at you. I think we really only have two areas of major disagreement - China and Qantas. You don't like a lot of the things Air NZ does but
171 Post contains links PA515 : Ah, Koruman. You'll love this. City Mission to tourists: Pay up Would these be CZ or NZ pax? And it says JQ donated $25,000 to the AKL City Mission X
172 Unclekoru : International arrivals are allowed until 01:00, with an extension until 01:30 under certain circumstances. I've been flying for close to ten years an
173 koruman : Yes, I did love it! I don't think people should be too harsh on the poor Chinese visitors though. The whole point of my caution about Air NZ (as oppos
174 BonzoLab : MVA delivered by MC crew. MVC delivery also contracted out. Lack of available manpower to send to France to bring the machines back is why.
175 mariner : I take my hat off to you, Koruman. That's an acute piece of self-analysis. mariner
176 NZ107 : I'm Chinese (though I'm far more kiwi than anything else) and I hate the mainland Chinese tourists wherever in the world I am.. They have no manners
177 alangirvan : This is a little bit old but I have read about it in the Press while visiting CHC,a JQ arrived in CHC from SYD with about 60 bags not carried because
178 ZKSUJ : No doubt there are many satisfied JQ customers out there and the horror stories we hear are just a small sample of people. However, cheap fares will
179 koruman : Now is probably the moment to bid farewell to Rob Fyfe. He is an affable and decent man, who has tried his best. I don't like many of the directions h
180 xiaotung : I think even it's a little too late for that, I do think this is the proper course of action. Having said that, I don't like some of the stuff Mainla
181 deconz : Did she arrive OK? I'm guessing into CHC as ZK-MVA did last month? I've been watching FR24 but didn't see anything BNE/CHC which I was expecting woul
182 Post contains images azzazzazza : I think JQ receives far too much criticism. Delays can happen to any airline, yet when it happens to budget airlines people automatically assume it i
183 ZKSUJ : I think the trick is how the delays are dealt with. JQ just does not have the machinery and equipment to deal with a delay. NZ on the other hand have
184 DolphinAir747 : For someone with as many daily flights into LAX as QF or NZ, it makes sense to add an extra flight further east. However, the fact still remains that
185 PA515 : Thanks for the info. I don't know if MVB has arrived. They either switched off the ADS-B in Indonesia or it's delayed somewhere in Indonesia. On Wedn
186 sunrisevalley : to change the subject. Did you take a note of the flight time from EZE-AKL for the 77W All Black charter? Thanks..
187 DolphinAir747 : Has NZ expressed interest in flying to Sotuh America, particularly GRU which doesn't have any South Pacific flights yet and is probably doable from AK
188 NZCH : MVB went tech in Singapore I believe around the 24th of December, I can not ellaborate any further than that. Unsure of its current status. NZCH
189 PA515 : From the flightradar24.com replays it was 13 hrs 44 min. NZ1935 departed EZE at 2010 UTC and arrived AKL 0944 UTC (2244 NZDT). After it departed EZE
190 Post contains links PA515 : Thanks. It was between PEN and KUL about 0030 UTC (1330 NZDT) on the 25th December with an A340 icon as SXI1288 / A340 F-WJKP. Will keep checking the
191 Post contains links PA515 : A few minutes ago ZK-MVB as SXI1288 was about 200 kms southwest of DRW at 23,000 ft, 228 kts, track 124. It didn't stop in DRW and could be heading fo
192 QF175 : ZK-MVB is due in BNE at 1555L today and appears to depart early tomorrow morning (0410L), bound for CHC.
193 aotearoa : Having been in this industry many years and observed the gradually (but continual) 'race to the bottom' by some airlines, here's my take on JQ. I hav
194 Post contains links PA515 : Thanks. Found it on http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SXI1288 KOE (Kupang) to BNE -- 7 hrs 57 min. Due CHC 1205 NZDT tomorrow 30th Dec. PA515
195 azzazzazza : Have to agree with you there, JQ's problem is the lack of aircraft they have in NZ to make up for delays. It just irks me when people refuse to fly w
196 aotearoa : I'm not sure that 'half the price' is a reflection of the current fare structures. My sense is that for a good part of the day, NZ will have a huge n
197 ZKSUJ : Well if you need to be somewhere on time or on the right day you will have a better chance with NZ just purely based on the fact that they are able t
198 CHCalfonzo : JQ vs NZ OTP Stats for their domestic networks 2012 Oct: JQ 79% NZ 82% Sep: JQ 73% NZ 83% Aug: JQ 79% NZ 84% Jul: JQ 65% NZ 79% Jun: JQ 76% NZ 84% May
199 Post contains links deconz : and she's on her way across the ditch ... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...8/history/20121229/1800Z/YBBN/NZCH
200 mariner : I must be missing something, I have very few negative impressions of Jetstar. I don't like the livery, but I don't like Air NZ's new livery either. I
201 ZKSUJ : Cheers for the figures. In winter CHC poses a bit of a problem too at times with Fog and Snow etc etc... I totally forgot about the 10 vs 15 minute c
202 mariner : Oh, sure. And I accept that I may not be a conventional traveller. But as with Ryanair, which has arguably the worst reputation for stranding people
203 eaglefarm4 : ZK-MVB ATR72 departed BNE today at 0340 local or 0640 your time to CHC. 5.5 HRS Flying time.
204 ZKSUJ : Definately so. I don't see pax avoiding JQ, I think alot of it is all talk/false threats for those travelling for leisure. I just know that if someth
205 Post contains images mariner : It's an odd paradox - those who pay the least for their fares are often the biggest complainers. mariner
206 BonzoLab : Just watched MVB on finals for RW29 from the backyard. Looks great. Some healthy groundspeed in the Tasman from the flightaware data.
207 alangirvan : When I started this comment, it was not about on time performance or cancelled flights - it was about the delayed bags which was a new one for me - b
208 Post contains links mariner : Part of which, at least, Ryanair passes on to the consumer by way of a special levy, especially because of the ash cloud disruptions: http://www.guar
209 aerorobnz : Every time I have searched for JQ domestically (I'm not interested internationally) their availability is not good for the time of day/date I want to
210 nz2 : Agree, you have to have some certainty about getting to where you need to be, I just cant afford to waste time at an airport (as much as I enjoy it)
211 DolphinAir747 : On a different note, could WLG-LAX possibly work, with the film industry (Peter Jackson?) filling some seats in the front?
212 Post contains images sunrisevalley : I think you have overlooked WLG's 6350 ft runway length
213 aerorobnz : Peter Jackson has a Gulfstream 550 for that, and I daresay shortly he will have a 650 to replace it. Far better for the job.
214 koruman : Who would have thought that I'd be the only person on this thread to acknowledge him?
215 xiaotung : There is none on Flyertalk either. It reminds me when Ralph Norris left and his wife commented that it had only been a few weeks and the NZ call cent
216 sunrisevalley : [quote=koruman,reply=214]Who would have thought that I'd be the only person on this thread to acknowledge him? So true ! Probably one of the best move
217 xiaotung : I have a feeling that it was Christopher Luxon's move just as it was Luxon who abandoned JL and inked the NH deal. Rob Fyfe had all those years but d
218 Post contains links DolphinAir747 : Strange, looking at the pictures of the All Blacks 77W landing at WLG for a photo tour I assumed the runway was long enough... http://www.flickr.com/
219 aotearoa : Maybe because it came from AKL. Longhaul departures from WLG are a very different (read impossible with a decent payload) proposition.
220 sunrisevalley : You may well be right! On reflection it was quite a reversal from the norm. Perhaps credit can be given to Fyfe for standing out of the way on this o
221 zkncj : Correct it came from AKL, with only 20 people on board with no bags.
222 DolphinAir747 : How about a triangle route LAX-WLG-CHC-LAX, if WLG is a place like UIO (with IB and KL's MAD/AMS-UIO-GYE-MAD/AMS flights) that can only accomodate lo
223 alangirvan : I think CHC-LAX might be a possibility when 787s are fully operational. Long range flights out of WLG? Well there are the Wellington Airport claims th
224 NZ107 : Too much of a hassle. You may have more passengers transiting to Australia than you do; at least enough to warrant sticking to the way it is currentl
225 CHCalfonzo : This was mentioned in an article in The Press recently as a route CIAL are targeting, most likely through Air NZ.
226 NZ107 : I bet they'll target JQ too, seeing as though they're more likely to have 787s to actually use on new routes such as CHC-LAX..
227 aerokiwi : I think it deserves more. Here are a few tips - never book the last flight of the day, never book when you have to be somewhere at a specific time, n
228 mariner : And kept the airline profitable? I don't assume anything, as here: I never claim to speak for anyone other than myself. I don't know what that has to
229 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread has become quite long and will be locked for further posts. Please feel free to continue your discussion in part 123 which can be found he
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