southwest737500 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 594 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3617 times:
Hello everyone
What are the chances of AS coming to CLT. The reason I bring this up is because PHL has AS and they seem to be doing well against US. ( I understand PHL has a bigger population). They shouldn't have any problem filling up a 738 or 737.
I believe with all the connecting opportunities I think they could support a flight to SEA, alot of people would connect to get to the west coast Alaska and Hawaii
Ill defiantly fly them to LAS,SEA,HNL
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spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3589 times:
With connections on the SEA side, I don't see why they couldn't make a daily SEA 737 work.
southwest737500 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3512 times:
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21229 posts, RR: 19 Reply 5, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 2): Given the local o&d size US serves the city very well.
I certainly agree in general, but US' service to the pacific northwest is all but nonexistent, so there might be some room. I'd say we'll see AS in CLT before we see, for instance, NK (which would serve much better-served parts of the country), but I don't know that we will see either very soon.
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threeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 509 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3394 times:
Bear in mind that AS will add 9 739ERs in 2013 while returning 3 73Gs and 3 734s, for a net gain of only 3 frames.
SAN-LIH, SAN-BOS, and SEA-SLC (2x) have already been announced for next year. That consumes much of the new capacity right there.
In the new station category (ex-SEA), CLT, RDU, PIT, IND, TPA, and MSY have all been floated as possible destinations in previous discussions. The primary disadvantage of CLT is the existing US competition. None of the other 5 cities have nonstops from SEA.
I think IND is most likely, as the others are transcons or near-transcons and consume almost an entire aircraft day. PIT would be my second guess, with RDU/CLT 3rd. I can't see AS serving both NC cities, at least initially.
flyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1617 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
I wouldn't hold my breath. With the small size of the CLT-SEA market and the current 2x daily capacity being offered in the low season, there's not really much opportunity for AS, especially considering US itself can offer similar connections out PHX which AS could out of SEA. There's also little indication AS is interested in serving long, thin routes east of the Mississippi.
southwest737500 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3327 times:
Remember PIT can barley support a flight to LAX on a A319 bear in mine SEA, slim chance
...yet you purport that Charlotte, a smaller city with competition on the route no less, has a greater chance of getting service from AS? Not sure I follow your logic.
PITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2684 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3275 times:
Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 9):
Remember PIT can barley support a flight to LAX on a A319 bear in mine SEA, slim chance
Timing for connections would mean everything. The only thing UA's PIT-LAX connects to is SYD/MEL. But if AS allows for connections to Hawaii, Asia (via DL code share), BC, Alaska, then it might work, at least seasonally.
I'd still be surprised to see AS in PIT, but the chances are greater than CLT.
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2303 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3228 times:
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 6): I can't see AS serving both NC cities, at least initially.
They serve AUS, SAT and DFW; STL and MCI; FLL and MCO; and TUS and PHX. I don't see why it wouldn't be viable for them to serve each NC city, if AS's leadership deems them each to be good markets.
I'd like to see SJC-RDU for the high tech traffic also. However, if AS couldn't make SJC-AUS work then I'm not holding my breath.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21229 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3185 times:
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 7): especially considering US itself can offer similar connections out PHX which AS could out of SEA.
Can they? Of the 35 or so destinations served by AS/QX for which SEA would be a sensible connecting point, US serves only about ten, and often at much lower frequency.
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LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 6779 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3138 times:
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12): They serve AUS, SAT and DFW; STL and MCI; FLL and MCO; and TUS and PHX. I don't see why it wouldn't be viable for them to serve each NC city, if AS's leadership deems them each to be good markets
Thats a little bit of apples and oranges.
FLL, MCO, DFW, and PHX are a much more massive in terms of market size and O&D to SEA than either RDU or CLT.
That said, both RDU and CLT could probably support a daily from AS.
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flyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1617 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3125 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13): Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 7):
especially considering US itself can offer similar connections out PHX which AS could out of SEA.
Can they? Of the 35 or so destinations served by AS/QX for which SEA would be a sensible connecting point, US serves only about ten, and often at much lower frequency.
For the purposes defined by the OP, PHX acts as a connecting point to the West Coast and Hawaii just as well as SEA. In any case, I don't see the likes of LWS, MSO and EAT being large feeder spokes on such a route.
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8739 posts, RR: 52 Reply 16, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3037 times:
CLT is the third biggest hub in the US, but only the 11th busiest airport. US Airways overserves the airport due to the massive hub. US controls the market and US' 2-3 daily flights on SEA-CLT is already larger than the O/D between the cities, so I don't see AS making much of a profit from the market.
CLT is a much busier airport than PHL despite Charlotte metro area being 1/3rd the size. That shows US' hub effect. SEA-PHL on US has similar frequency but it is a bigger market.
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Gunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3462 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2977 times:
CLT will probably end up in the AS network someday, but I don't think it's high on their list. The competition with US isn't a deal-breaker, but it doesn't help the near-term prospects given the market size. I wouldn't be surprised if AS took a crack at RDU before CLT, but I suspect we'll see them in TPA, DTW or CLE well before we see them in North Carolina...
Then again, they launched SEA-SAT. Throws from left-field aren't out of the question!
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21229 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2804 times:
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 15): In any case, I don't see the likes of LWS, MSO and EAT being large feeder spokes on such a route.
No, of course not. But the likes of PDX, GEG, BOI and ANC are all better served via SEA, and they are much larger markets.
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flyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1617 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2736 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18): Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 15):
In any case, I don't see the likes of LWS, MSO and EAT being large feeder spokes on such a route.
No, of course not. But the likes of PDX, GEG, BOI and ANC are all better served via SEA, and they are much larger markets.
Either served non-stop already (PDX, at least seasonally) or well covered between ORD, DEN and SFO via US's extensive code share with UA. Anything is possible in this industry, but unless there's extensive interlining/code sharing between US and AS and they decided to trade frequencies or something, I cannot see AS taking the risk at the moment for what would be a long, thin and competitive route.
bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1360 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2706 times:
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21229 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2677 times:
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 19): Either served non-stop already (PDX, at least seasonally) or well covered between ORD, DEN and SFO via US's extensive code share with UA.
Of course, that's equally true of every other city east of Dallas that AS flies. You are forgeting the west coast POS traffic who may prefer AS as much as or more than CLT POS prefers US.
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usflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2659 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21): Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 19):
Either served non-stop already (PDX, at least seasonally) or well covered between ORD, DEN and SFO via US's extensive code share with UA.
Of course, that's equally true of every other city east of Dallas that AS flies.
CLT is also significantly smaller than all of those cities so there is less traffic to split up and much lower potential for traffic stimulation. .
Realistically, CLT is a smaller market that does not have particularly strong economic ties to the Pacific NW. AS is not going to waste a plane on such a long, thin, competitive, and strategically unimportant route until they have essentially run out of other options.
flyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1617 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2611 times:
Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 22): CLT is also significantly smaller than all of those cities so there is less traffic to split up and much lower potential for traffic stimulation. .
You beat me to it.
Yes, the other East Coast cities are competitive as well, but they're larger markets, i.e. AS has a much great chance at grabbing their own slice of the pie.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21): You are forgeting the west coast POS traffic who may prefer AS as much as or more than CLT POS prefers US.
Absolutely right, AS would have the Western POS locked up, but that's only half of an already small market, just not a very attractive proposition unless, like I said before, they have an extensive code sharing agreement with US.
wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5526 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
I think you'll see AS doing more of the connecting the dots like expanding SAN...and maybe SJC, than expand to additional cities. Many of the cities that AS has decided to serve have partially come from frequent flier requests. I still think if any NC cities were to be served by AS, RDU would come first because of the type of industry Seattle and Raleigh/Durham share.
I think MSY is a far-better possibility than any of the NC cities at this point. Perhaps we'll see TPA also.
Regionally, I'm holding out the prospects for SEA-MRY. AS...what are you waiting for???
25 AVLAirlineFreq: I was as surprised as anyone when this didn't work. With AA having served it for years, did some of the traffic simply move through DFW when AA disco
26 Cubsrule: I think you are confusing the issues. I've not argued - nor has anyone in this thread, I don't think - that AS will start CLT in the next year or two
32 flyguy89: Certainly, but then you could say that about pretty much any market if you're talking about 5-10 years down the road.
33 Cubsrule: One thing that is going for AS in CLT compared to a lot of other similarly-sized cities is a lack of WN service.
34 cjpmaestro: From what I believe is a done deal (the merger that is), I do hope this is one of the eventual outcomes. I've lived in both SEA and PHX (and now movi
35 SuperDash: So the chance is OK, I wouldn't classify it as great. They already serve the point with AS code via Delta and American. Given the number of flights US
36 flyguy89: That's changing in a few months though, CLT is already slated to get MDW service shortly for West Coast and other connections.
37 BoeingGuy: Good analysis. What does OAL mean - Other airline? I didn't realize SEA-ABQ was so high in traffic. Maybe that should be AS's next destination? I not
38 Cubsrule: Correct, but WN at CLT will be smaller than at a lot of comparably-sized cities (think RDU or MSY) for the foreseeable future.
40 cessna2: Well I highly doubt it with UA on RDU-SFO now. No most people flew JI until their demise. JI offered nonstops to LAX and SJC in the late 90's until t
41 PassedV1: I think the safe money is on the closer in stuff which is easier to make money on. I think ABQ is a good bet for a new city as well as OKC or COS. For
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