iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4114 posts, RR: 7 Posted (6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6730 times:
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LAS hasn't gotten much attention lately, but it has long been a star of the Southwest network. It has been a top ten station for many years (and at the top until fairly recently) and was launched 1/31/82 with five daily flights (SAN and PHX also became WN cities the same day). The longest flight in the route network is also out of Vegas to Providence, although that appears to be gone this summer. There was an interesting article on Monday in Vegas Inc. some of you may enjoy:
Southwest steadily has grown capacity to and from McCarran during the past year by increasing the number of seats on its planes while reducing the number of flights to the market. In October 2011, Southwest offered 1,497 flights a week; now, it offers 1,483. It flies 212,185 seats into the market each week, compared with 204,094 a year ago.
Southwest is able to increase capacity with fewer flights because it is retrofitting its cabins with new seats
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Southwest indicated it plans to use the larger jets on long-haul routes through Las Vegas.
n471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1196 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6447 times:
Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 1): I had the misfortune of riding in several of the WN -700s this week with the 143 seat configuration. I think they should not brag about them.
Agree that the new seating is a major mistake by SWA---as a 40 year customer I am apalled. It is not the leg room that is the problem---that is less but if you take our the magazines in the seat in front of you it is ok. The problem is the seats are uncomfortable and too narrow---it is as if they made the aisles bigger at the expense of the passengers. I can only say that SWA did not think this one through and it grieves me to say that as SWA has long been my favorite airline.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15813 posts, RR: 50 Reply 3, posted (6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6415 times:
Quoting iowaman (Thread starter): Southwest steadily has grown capacity to and from McCarran during the past year by increasing the number of seats on its planes while reducing the number of flights to the market. In October 2011, Southwest offered 1,497 flights a week; now, it offers 1,483
I believe over a longer time frame the WN capacity in LAS is actually down quite a bit, between the economy and rising fares.
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 887 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6414 times:
Quoting n471wn (Reply 2): it is as if they made the aisles bigger at the expense of the passengers
But did they? I have flown on it and while I know there is a difference in legroom but is there a difference in width? I feel more comfortable and I am not a short man.
Quoting n471wn (Reply 2): The problem is the seats are uncomfortable and too narrow
Its not even that they are doing less then competition, they are just going to standard. People are complaining about these seats, I find them more comfortable, It depends on the person. One very noticeable thing in general is SWA passengers do not like change, for the better or worse.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3): I believe over a longer time frame the WN capacity in LAS is actually down quite a bit, between the economy and rising fares.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15813 posts, RR: 50 Reply 7, posted (6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6319 times:
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 4): Just another comment for an anti-WN poster. Nope, its actually at the highest in years.
Oh brother, I have nothing against WN, but you obviously have trouble handling data and taking it personally. This shows WN passengers at LAS are at 16MM, same as 2007, when they ran about a 10 point lower systemwide LF, which would lead me to believe there was a lot more capacity in LAS in 2007. Also because I saw the OAG stats the other day and they are a bit down . It's not a bad thing--they're transporting the same or more pax more efficiently.
Daaaaaang, WN has a lot of flights to SoCal from LAS! Especially surprising on the LAS-LAX routes considering OO (operating for UA and DL), UA, AA, and NK are all competition on that route.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21290 posts, RR: 19 Reply 9, posted (6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6197 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7): This shows WN passengers at LAS are at 16MM, same as 2007, when they ran about a 10 point lower systemwide LF, which would lead me to believe there was a lot more capacity in LAS in 2007.
Correct on the first two points, but I wonder whether LAS has a higher l/f than the system. It would not surprise me to learn that it does, but I don't know for sure one way or the other.
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OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4684 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5502 times:
WNcrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1322 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5435 times:
Quoting n471wn (Reply 2): The problem is the seats are uncomfortable and too narrow---it is as if they made the aisles bigger at the expense of the passengers.
Sorry you find the seats uncomfortable but they are, in fact, not any narrower than the previous versions. They are actually the same exact seat frames with different cushioning and seat covers, the actual dimensions are no different than they were previously.
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4114 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4393 times:
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Quoting jporterfi (Reply 8): Daaaaaang, WN has a lot of flights to SoCal from LAS! Especially surprising on the LAS-LAX routes considering OO (operating for UA and DL), UA, AA, and NK are all competition on that route.
Quoting san747 (Reply 10): I don't believe I saw ONT listed on there. There is still 6x daily ONT-LAS service on WN.
Quoting Beardown91737 (Reply 11): Thanks I was going to have to check that. I frequently connect in LAS on ONT-MDW trips.
My apologies on missing ONT - I remember reading it but for some reason I didn't get it typed out with the rest of the list. With LAX, SNA, ONT, and BUR that comes out to 36x just to the L.A. basin. Another 12x to SAN, 8x SMF, and a total of 25x to SJC/SFO/BUR comes out to 81 daily flights between California and Vegas on Southwest alone.
Also worth noting: LAX 8x DL (mix of mainline/connection), 5x AA (all mainline), 5x UA (1x mainline 4x connection), 2x NK, 4x B6 LGB-LAS, and 1x SNA-LAS on FL. This brings LAS to the L.A. basin to 61 daily, mostly on mainline.
With the following added in, LAS - California comes out to be 137 daily flights (give or take slightly based on G4 only serving some cities less than weekly):
FAT 4x OO 4x weekly G4
PSP 3x OO
MTY 3x weekly G4
SMX 4x weekly G4
SCK 13x weekly G4
SAN 2x NK
OAK 2x NK
SFO 7x VX, 10x UA (almost all mainline)
MCE 1x Great Lakes
n471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1196 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4175 times:
Quoting WNcrew (Reply 13): Sorry you find the seats uncomfortable but they are, in fact, not any narrower than the previous versions. They are actually the same exact seat frames with different cushioning and seat covers, the actual dimensions are no different than they were previously.
I am not someone who complains and am one of SWA's oldest customers----I took my first flight on them in July of 1971 from Dallas Love to Houston Hobby and I defend SWA all the time as all the posts I do show. It may just be me on this one and again I am not complaining about the leg room but how the seat feels.......maybe I am someone who just hates change on SWA and I admit to that. If other folks find the new seats comfortable then the problem is mine!! I will always love SWA!!
WNcrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1322 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3178 times:
Quoting n471wn (Reply 15): I am not someone who complains and am one of SWA's oldest customers----I took my first flight on them in July of 1971 from Dallas Love to Houston Hobby and I defend SWA all the time as all the posts I do show. It may just be me on this one and again I am not complaining about the leg room but how the seat feels.......maybe I am someone who just hates change on SWA and I admit to that. If other folks find the new seats comfortable then the problem is mine!! I will always love SWA!!
Oh no you're welcome to find them less comfortable! I think many others do as well, and many people like them. I know you sit lower in the seat itself which means the armrests would be higher up on your frame which you might perceive as "tighter".... I'm very short so I find them more comfortable and they don't force my head forward. I can actually sleep on deadheads!!! I just wanted you to know that they were the same frames. You know, with aircraft and seats, there isn't much you can change with a lot of the side-to-side dimensions... not legroom is another story ; )
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slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2483 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2885 times:
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 8): To me, it seems odd that RNO would support this much service
Its linking the two largest cities within the same state and the drive time is extremely far. No Interstate between the two cities. Also remember the capital is basically in Reno so lots of traffic to the largest city in the state. Also no train service or really other real option for travellers.
CIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2008 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2013 times:
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 18):
Its linking the two largest cities within the same state and the drive time is extremely far. No Interstate between the two cities. Also remember the capital is basically in Reno so lots of traffic to the largest city in the state. Also no train service or really other real option for travellers.[Edited 2012-11-30 13:53:56]
it still kind of surprises me there isnt some sort of interstate from Las Vegas Northwestard to Reno and beyond. That is about 500 miles of nothingness on a two lane road. That would have to be one brutal drive.
wnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 373 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1956 times:
Starting next year thru 2015 LAS airport has plans to tear down the old international terminal and the A & B gates rotundarotundas and build a new terminal 1 with 40 gates and additional international gates.
Rumor was WN will take 30 of the new gates when finished.
Wnfg
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United_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7176 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1928 times:
Quoting iowaman (Thread starter): I have noticed 738's on a lot of the longer routes such as FLL, PIT, TPA, and MCO. MDW and DEN also seem to see LAS rotations on the -800's
Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 19): it still kind of surprises me there isnt some sort of interstate from Las Vegas Northwestard to Reno and beyond. That is about 500 miles of nothingness on a two lane road. That would have to be one brutal drive.
Not to mention most of the towns you drive through are like being in a post-apocalypse sc-fi movie or Area 54.
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mtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2144 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1676 times:
Quoting n471wn (Reply 15): July of 1971 from Dallas Love to Houston Hobby
Actually WN served IAH at that time. HOU came online Nov 14,'71
He is correct. This quote is from the WN Blog (Nuts About Southwest).
Quote: When Southwest began flying on June 18, 1971, we operated out of Houston Intercontinental (IAH). Southwest reopened Hobby to commercial service a few months later on November 14, and we used the occasion to complete the “Texas Triangle" by beginning service between Hobby and San Antonio. (We operated from both Houston airports until May 14, 1972, when we we discontinued IAH service.)
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 28, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1481 times:
Quoting wnflyguy (Reply 20): Starting next year thru 2015 LAS airport has plans to tear down the old international terminal and the A & B gates rotundarotundas and build a new terminal 1 with 40 gates and additional international gates.
Rumor was WN will take 30 of the new gates when finished.
Wnfg
Replacing the 96-gate terminal they currently have? Why would they replace a 96-gate terminal with a 40-gate terminal?
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airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 887 posts, RR: 1 Reply 29, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1282 times:
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 28): Replacing the 96-gate terminal they currently have? Why would they replace a 96-gate terminal with a 40-gate terminal?
He is saying they will demolish just the A and B concourses which are 26 gates and will build a new 40 gate terminal. That leaves concourses C and D where they are.
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 18 Reply 30, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1019 times:
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 29):
He is saying they will demolish just the A and B concourses which are 26 gates and will build a new 40 gate terminal. That leaves concourses C and D where they are.
I need to learn to read, apparently!
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