deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 28629 times:
Quoting liftsifter (Reply 8):
Something tells me they want to apply some special coat but are holding back.
Agreed. There was article out this morning from local Dallas news station confirming new livery but saying that AA refuses to say when or how it will be revealed. My guess is they planned on doing it already but w/ the pilot contract out for vote they want to make double sure the labor issues have settled down first, i.e. last thing they need is to unveil new livery/logo/77W roll out along w/ commercials and such w/ backdrop of another major slowdown and media circus.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25341 times:
I join the ones who say that it is strange that the vertical stabilizer is taken off completely on the flight line. Even if they wanted to keep the new tail logo a secret, it shouldn't have been necessary to take the vertical stabilizer completely off like this.
In the mean time we are all awaiting the new livery AA will be introducing
TC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 24428 times:
This strikes me as being a quite drastic move just to hide the new logo, why not leave it on and paint it all white instead.
After all, the rest of the aircraft still has teo be painted.
So what's happening to AA 77W's on the FAL in production now ? Presumably the third one is there or thereabouts by now. Is it being built without the vertical stab ?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 33437 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23987 times:
Isn't 717AN still out on the flight line with no logo on her vertical stabilizer?
Plus 718AN hasn't even had her fuselage painted, so why would Boeing slap the logo on her tail? And even if they had for some reason, easy enough to cover it up in the paint hangar before they rolled it out.
The only way this makes sense to me as a logo-related issue is if they're painting the vertical stabilizer separately, but if that was the case you think they would have pulled it off of 717AN, as well.
So I'm guessing there was an issue with the tail that requires fixing. Maybe they banged it into something and damaged it?
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23241 times:
How did they remove the tail? Did they do it outside, or move it into the factory and use a crane? I thought that balance of the tail is so critical that manufacturers must handle it very carefully. Yanking it off outside doesn't seem to fall within the handling protocol if that is the case.
LostSound From Canada, joined May 2012, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22650 times:
Quoting zeke (Reply 20): My guess would be a production holdup, or possible damage.
Agreed. Traditionally, when an airline is introducing a new design that is not ready for reveal, they "tape" white sheets over the design to hide the painted artwork. We saw this with many carriers including JetBlue, a couple years back now when they introduced the blueberry tail design and new upsized logo.
The removal or non-attachment of the the vertical stab. is too extreme of a move to be related to the new livery in my opinion. There are much less dramatic, and cheaper, options to hiding the colours.
Navion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1027 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22260 times:
Actually it is none of the speculation listed above. This aircraft is testing a new 777X feature which does not have a vertical stabilizer (saving a ton of weight) but instead uses fly-by-wire controlled split ailerons and differential computer controlled thrust asymmetry to achieve directional control resulting in significant fuel savings. If thrust control plus split-ailerons doesn't result in satisfactory yaw control, they will also use a control vane in the APU exhaust to supplement the authority.
135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 416 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 22198 times:
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 18): How did they remove the tail? Did they do it outside, or move it into the factory and use a crane? I thought that balance of the tail is so critical that manufacturers must handle it very carefully. Yanking it off outside doesn't seem to fall within the handling protocol if that is the case.
Vertical fins, are hinged and are folded to one side before they are removed. This can be done outside or inside with the use of cranes.
As Stitch said, there probably was some damage as this is usually the only reason you ever remove a vertical fin. The Rudder is the only thing that gets removed for new livery applications (most of the time), due to the need to "balance" it after the new paints are applied.