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WN Continues Cutting ATL, DL Must Be Thrilled  
User currently offlineTriple7LR From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 15159 times:

I know it's being discussed on the last OAG post, but I think it's worth it's on post. Here's an article from the cranky flyer:

http://crankyflier.com/2012/11/27/so...ng-atlanta-delta-must-be-thrilled/

IMHO I still think its too early to tell.

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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14973 times:

Quoting Triple7LR (Thread starter):

This has worked out, yet again, very well for Delta.

WN did the same when they bought their way into SLC.



yep.
User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2465 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14942 times:

Too bad. I'm actually cheering for WN in ATL.


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User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14343 times:

I'm not getting into this thread too much but those of you saying the merger is a disaster, you are way ahead of yourelves, it has barely started, those of you saying it's gonna go down to 100 flights or below, do you realize how many flights would have to be cut compared to what they are at, they'll probably be at about 140-160.


"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."- HF
User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 14263 times:
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I think you guys are making a bit MUCH about WN @ ATL. What did you expect?? That DAL would run in fear because WN bought Air Tran to get into ATL?? They haven't run in Fear of UA/CO and we have a bunch of flights out of ATL as well. It doesn't work like that WN is a major carrier but they're not the ONLY major, Nobody is getting off of Delta to fly WN There or anywhere else for that matter. Those who are going to fly WN are not flying anyone else and without WN interlining?? Nobody is going to Get off of Delta schlep their bags over to WN to fly them. It's not time saving NOR cost effective. Air Tran and WN don't even have joint counter space. Air Tran's check in counters are over in the Exit Lobby for crying out loud near the Marta exit. across from Baggage claim, IMHO WN is NOT doing themselves any favors with the operation they've got going on there. Many Atlanteans don't even KNOW the two are a single airline and looking at their operation?? I can't see it either. There IS front line counter space available in the North Terminal and WN's counters are NOT so busy that Air Tran has to work in a Corner of the Baggage claim lobby. That's an embarrassment !!

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 14006 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 1):
This has worked out, yet again, very well for Delta.

Without a codeshare or full integration, it seems to me that the jury has to still be out on the lasting effect on Delta at ATL. My sense of it is that at the end of the day, WN will compete for less traffic, especially connecting traffic, at ATL, but the traffic for which WN competes will be somewhat higher quality. That may be a win for DL on net, but I don't see how that is so blatantly obvious that we can draw that conclusion at this point.



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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13685 times:

Im so exhausted hearing Atl is overrated. Atl is the main city in the southeast. Period. It is the number 9 media market has well over 5million people which is more than many states. It is extremely well connected. It has the largest concentration of federal offices out side of dc. It has a very high wealth rate. It is the most affordable of the top ten wealthy cities. Its a music hub biz hub medical hub rail hub education hub. It is home to hundreds of regionsl headquarters and headquarters to some of the most iconic and well known brands on earth. Does it have flaws of course.

Swa and Airtran do share ticketing facilities in the North terminal they both have the most check ins in that side. The marta checkin area was an ingenious way to make it easier for those riding the train in to access check in.



ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co. or Airt
User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6620 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13602 times:

When did ATL-ROC end????
This is a bad merger, period.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 6):

And didnt WN say at the time of the merger anouncement, that ATL would be its largest station?



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13318 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 1):
WN did the same when they bought their way into SLC.

Is WN smaller today than Morris Air was in SLC?

Its becoming more and more clear that WN's real intention was first to get rid of FL and second to have a presence at ATL. WN's costs are too high to operate the 717 and too high to profitability carry connecting pax through ATL.

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 7):
I think you guys are making a bit MUCH about WN @ ATL. What did you expect??

I think initially most everyone expected, including Michael Boyd, that WN would operate FL's existing schedule through ATL and would use the 717s in other parts of the system. Plus need adds like BDL, MHT, PVD, OAK

Boyd himself did a study showing that for WN to work in ATL had to operate a hub since over 50% of FL's traffic was connecting. Well once WN said they would pull down the hub, it became clear that they had no intention of beign a big player in ATL since the local market just isnt there. I am now wondering if WN will even serve LGA or DCA since they might want those slots for use to other markets.

WN is a legacy carrier straddled with high costs, though still a productive work force.

If WN simply wanted into ATL with flights to MDW, BWI, HOU, DEN, PHX, LAS I think with the new terminal there would now be enough space for them on E to do so. I am beginning o think WN simply wanted to get rid of FL.

I think in the end WN will serve from ATL
DEN
MDW
BWI
HOU
AUS
SDF (will this last?)
ORF (will this last?)
LAX
LAS
PHX
MCO (need more than 1 flight and need EYW connection)
SFO (interesting they didnt go for OAK)
SEA (will this last AS should add a #3 for summer 13)
SAT

plus
STL (most obvious future add)
MCI
DAL in 2014
FLL
TPA
MKE (part of MKE not ATL focus)

But I could see big markets like BOS, MSP, DCA, LGA gone.


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13160 times:

If they cut it back they drastically their will be a ton of open gate space in Atl. Not to mention they will have lost on a good oppurtunity.

I honestly see them downgrading the atl fl hub but dialing it up in the swa way. They will not ever dominate Atl like they do other markets nor will they even be in the position like they r in Denver. They will coexist with delta. I've said it times before they bring nothing new to Atl that isn't already done or couldn't have been done by Fl.



ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co. or Airt
User currently offlinebos2laf From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13140 times:

I'm starting to wonder if WN is creating an opening for B6 in ATL.

Everything I've heard from people I know is that B6 felt that the WN/FL merger would close the door on them returning to ATL. It sounds like it may in fact do the opposite.


User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12874 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 12):
But I could see big markets like BOS, MSP, DCA, LGA gone.

I don't think WN will hand over LGA-ATL completey over to DL. I dont believe that for a second. FL is making money on this route and WN will make even more. LGA-ATL on WN metal will speak volumes in terms of cargo along with paying pax.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12808 times:

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 14):
I'm starting to wonder if WN is creating an opening for B6 in ATL.

Me too

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 15):
I don't think WN will hand over LGA-ATL completey over to DL. I dont believe that for a second. FL is making money on this route and WN will make even more. LGA-ATL on WN metal will speak volumes in terms of cargo along with paying pax.

Youre right, except for slots. The issue will be can WN make more money elsewhere than LGA/DCA-LGA? Which would be profitable I am sure. Are scarce slots better used for markets other than ATL.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12781 times:

Quoting bos2laf (Reply 14):
I'm starting to wonder if WN is creating an opening for B6 in ATL.

I should all that opening will be if WN drops BOS and NYC nonstop from ATL. Also there might be some Florida opportunities if WN doesnt replace FL capacity with WN capacity, like FLL and MCO. ATL-MCO would be a good add for B6 if they continue expanding from MCO to Latin American and Carribbean


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12706 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 11):
And didnt WN say at the time of the merger anouncement, that ATL would be its largest station?

ATL was never going to be larger than MDW, PHX, HOU, etc. The company probably said it was going to be one of its larger stations, but definitely not the largest.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

All I'm gonna say is your all being too negative and you will be pleasantly surprised when you find out you are all wrong.  


"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."- HF
User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5940 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 12131 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 12):
I think in the end WN will serve from ATL

I would suggest that RDU might stand a chance of hanging in there, although with the cutting of CLT maybe not



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlineBC77008 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11903 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):
ATL is way over-rated. It is like Dubai, a glorified connecting hub, that's all

And the concourses all have the look and feel of being very long single-wide trailers.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks ago) and read 12032 times:

One thing that I keep thinking about in all of this. How many markets were DL dumped in mainline or added capacity to compete with FL will see some pretty big cuts coming down the road. That may be something to look at 1 or 2 years down the road and compare back to today. I would not be shocked to see cities with mainline go down to RJs (or 717s) and those that are hanging on with RJs get scaled back.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks ago) and read 11850 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 23):
Similarly, I don't think WN is going to cede market share in ATL with the plan of re-taking it later against DL. That would make no sense and I'm certain it isn't their strategy.

I agree. My point is that if WN carries (say) two thirds FL's former passengers at the end of the day but those are the better-yielding two thirds of FL's former passengers, I'm not so sure that leaves Delta in a better spot.



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks ago) and read 11851 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 23):
MSY 3x

I should have added MSY, that is an obvious add for WN

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 26):
I agree. My point is that if WN carries (say) two thirds FL's former passengers at the end of the day but those are the better-yielding two thirds of FL's former passengers, I'm not so sure that leaves Delta in a better spot.

Good point. If WN has good RM, they can accomplish this.


User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10999 times:

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 24):
And the concourses all have the look and feel of being very long single-wide trailers.

From the outside. Have you been inside? They've spent money on the parts that the customers actually see: the interiors...much like DL has done with its fleet. It's not flashy, but it's reasonably comfortable, and an easy-to-understand layout.

Quoting enilria (Reply 23):
I think we will see B6 announce either PHL or ATL in the next couple of weeks.

B6 already gave ATL a go a few years ago and pulled out, right? Do you think WN's acquisition of FL changes enough about the ATL market to justify reopening ATL? There is TONS of capacity between ATL-NYC already with AA, DL, FL/WN, and UA. Would it make sense for them to try again in such a diluted market (although ATL-JFK admittedly only has a few DL flights a day)?


User currently offlineCatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11012 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 6):
but those of you saying the merger is a disaster, you are way ahead of yourelves, it has barely started

"Barely started?" It's been over two years since the announcement of the merger. . .


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11002 times:

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 30):
B6 already gave ATL a go a few years ago and pulled out, right?

Yes, but they were flying ATL-LGB, not anything that "2012 B6" would fly.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10535 times:

Quoting Catiii (Reply 31):
"Barely started?" It's been over two years since the announcement of the merger. . .

No kidding- 2 years after the much larger DL/NW merger had begun, the airlines had been 100% integrated for 6 months (except for the FAs).



Chicks dig winglets.
25 TVNWZ : When WN announced the sale of the 717's where did everyone think those lines of flying would mostly affect? No surprise to me that ultimately ATL woul
26 bobloblaw : Also B6 didn't have smaller E90s then. I'd could see B6 flying ATL-MCO 3x daily with E90s connecting to Latin Anetica carribbean. B6 should also do o
27 Post contains images enilria : I think they will definitely be better yielding, but WN's costs are also much higher. Yes, but they were flying to LGB/OAK. They won't do that again.
28 Post contains links United_fan : It's still on , at least til WN comes to town in April . Actually,it's been up-sized to a 73G as TRS603. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TRS603
29 ouboy79 : Then you look at UA/CO who are still having major issues. WN/FL I would say is pretty close to the middle. However, and this is my opinion, WN/FL isn
30 XFSUgimpLB41X : UA/CO should have been a monster by now... but thankfully Smisek couldn't manage his way out of a cardboard box. WN's way of doing things is hardly m
31 RyanairGuru : Which makes me wonder why AirTran ever flew ATL-CLT, from one "low-yielding, high volume connecting hub" to another. Apparently it had the lowest O&a
32 Triple7LR : Just curious. Does anyone think it matters that WN doesn't offer First or Business class or have lounges? I know to the everyday leisure traveler it d
33 727LOVER : Well since WN made FL quite my hometown airport after many years,, HOW will I be pleasantly surprised.....HMMMMM?????? Well, it was on that map in th
34 airliner371 : And for about a year and a half they didn't do anything. The route changes are just getting into swing. No, they wouldn't. WN is at ATL for business
35 XFSUgimpLB41X : I know WN is losing a pile of traditional FL customers for that very reason. I don't think singing FAs or free bags can make up for zero premium prod
36 usflyguy : Those that were sitting in FL's "first class" are not sitting in DL's premium cabins. Comparing the FL "premium cabin" to DL's is like comparing apple
37 BD338 : If WN are "retreating" in ATL and DL is "Thrilled" then all that means is that supply and demand is swinging towards DL having more pricing power in s
38 lasmike : The Airtran ticket counter you describe is a satellite counter for the benefit of customers coming off of MARTA. The main Airtran ticket counter is a
39 lasmike : WN premium flyer program is called A List and A List Plus Rapid Rewards. They get a check in by pass lane so they don't have to wait in the regular l
40 MSPNWA : I wonder that too, especially since FL wasn't raking in the cash. Like today FL flew its usual 3 flights to CLT. That compares to 12 for DL and 11 fo
41 DeltaMD90 : I don't see how this is such a big surprise. Besides the few people that thought WN was going to be a "super strong competitor that will make DL bleed
42 southwest737500 : Flying CLT-ATL-PIT on AirTran tomorrow Oh yeah they must be making some money if there adding a 4th flight and its on a 737. Alot of people pick on C
43 southwest737500 : 11 DL and 9 US and 3 FL
44 par13del : So, it is becoming more apparent the WN strategy. 1. FL is no longer a competitor to WN, is that more important than ATL? 2. WN now has access to ATL
45 FWAERJ : 3) WN can fly internationally
46 Post contains images jporterfi : WN cutting FL service in ATL WN isn't PMFL and it sure as hell isn't DL. WN has a certain business model, and adding premium services like business cl
47 vatveng : Well, a funny thing happened at Newport News (PHF). Right after AirTran pulled out, Delta pulled all of their mainline service from PHF. But the RJs
48 airliner371 : But if you look back, the same would have been said about WN adding LGA, BOS, MSP and all those major airports they started. Eventually WN will have
49 MSPNWA : That's the type of routing that probably won't be making FL any money. Just filling seats. It's not matter of picking on CLT. It's simply that the 10
50 Post contains images ouboy79 : Sigh. Sure int'l flying isn't done on WN metal yet and that will be fixed once Amadeus is up and going. The rest of your post is just childish though
51 airliner371 : I agree but Southwest wasn't ready for a codeshare and WestJet didn't want to wait. I think there is a possibility that they partner with Porter Airl
52 SYfan100 : Southwest is really rolling the dice with moving into Atlanta because of the cost for operating. Move from Low Fare Airline into one that moves about
53 capitalflyer : Not a snowball's chance in hell that WN will exit DCA. They spent millions to acquire 4 slots from NK and DCA is a great tourist destination which is
54 airliner371 : Not gonna happen. They are gonna serve all of the major markets and some smaller ones. They will be at about 150-160 flights.
55 Post contains images TrijetsRMissed : Even before that. When WN started shopping the 717, it was pretty clear that reducing ATL's operations was in the cards.
56 Post contains images Deltal1011man : This. but I'm not so sure anything 2012 B6 would fly will work out that much better. Delta has a good....ok a ton...of capacity to New York and Bosto
57 billreid : Sorry, it is hard to agree with pro-WN statements from arms length. I actually see more positive progress out of AA than out of WN since the merger.
58 par13del : The facts speak for themselves, DL, AA, UA/CO all used the chpt.11 process to re-organize, tear down, remodel and re-invent themselves, remember that
59 bobloblaw : What the merger has revealed is that WN is not some nimble cutting edge airline, but an airline that neglected a good part of its infrastructure. The
60 Flytravel : I think BOS-ATL will be a good test for WN. If WN doesn't achieve yields it wants, the route will be dropped. It overflies BWI where BOS, MHT, and PV
61 JBAirwaysFan : I agree. Despite Delta's hourly service mostly on 757s, it is a lucrative market that has done well for both DL and FL. They're not going to drop thi
62 bobloblaw : GOOD ANALYSIS
63 airliner371 : I have learned to ignore you because your are the most negative person towards WN I have ever had the pleasure not to meet. They didn't "need" that b
64 Cubsrule : Codeshare is possible (see TZ), and there's nothing stopping them from offering two class seating for Business Select, Business Select and A list, or
65 airliner371 : Yes, its possible but look at AirTran and all they have to do to set it up on the old system. They weren't ready for a WestJet codeshare.
66 Cubsrule : Oh, I agree that the current res system is an impediment to codesharing. It's just not true that Southwest "cannot codeshare," as you asserted.
67 XFSUgimpLB41X : Don't forget that they were so desperate to drop the 717s that they are actually paying DL to take them off their hands. That speaks volumes to the s
68 strfyr51 : Air Tran was doing pretty well in ATL all alone, It remains to be seen whether the WN/FL combination will do as well. I'm not at all sure whether Atla
69 airliner371 : That doesn't say anything about the state of WN. It just shows the the current fleet business model of WN and how they intend to follow it.
70 DTWLAX : And who are some of those better yielding passengers? Those who flew first class on FL? Well they cannot fly first class anymore on WN.
71 ouboy79 : I wonder if a flexible seating option should be considering. Where the arm rests on the middle seat fold in to create a make shift "premium" row. Of
72 diverdave : I can see an argument for ATL that WN will inherit the lower yield passengers who were flying on AirTran's low fares. And I can see a case that the h
73 Cubsrule : Agreed, but the question is what future there was for FL in ATL. As early as 6 or 7 years go, we saw FL looking outside of ATL for much of its growth
74 infiniti329 : If there wasn't a taker for the 717s, they would have remained with WN to replace the 733s and most 733s are usually out west, so they would have sti
75 lightsaber : I think they are, but B6 will have to start JFK and BOS soon if it is to happen. Why I was thrilled to have the flight offered (I never ended up flyi
76 XT6Wagon : It seems like you don't understand how leasing works. Leasing companies pay the money up front to supply the desired product to the customer. The cus
77 aerorobnz : All airports have natural growth and attrition. They are a moving target which comes and goes with the economic tide. For WN to reduce frequency at AT
78 Post contains links diverdave : Southwest is spending $100 million to prep the 717s for the sublease. Boeing is adding $40 million to that. http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/a
79 ouboy79 : Thanks for the link! It also mentions... "Southwest CFO Laura Wright added that Southwest expects a $200 million boost in annual pre-tax income from
80 TrijetsRMissed : So what? I don't disagree with your premise but I think it's independent and not inclusive. WN were shopping the 717, off and on, for 18 months. Most
81 XFSUgimpLB41X : They have proven that they are a one trick pony... particularly with the incredible lack of ability to make international flying work.
82 usdcaguy : Not really. You shouldn't compare WN's "Y" fares with other carriers' "Y" fares. Much of the time, the highest one will pay on a carrier like UA is a
83 Post contains images ouboy79 : I guess we'll see what happens once Amadeus comes online and they transition the int'l flying from the FL side.
84 bobloblaw : I am not aware that the block hour costs of a 717 and 737-300 or -700 are equal, unless WN has some excellent lease rates on the 737s. I doubt that F
85 AVLAirlineFreq : Has anyone heard anything else about the possibility of DL and WN swapping gates in ATL, with DL picking up the C concourse FL/WN gates and WN the D c
86 deltairlines : I have my doubts given the capital expenditures that each company has put into their concourses of late. Not to mention, the thought of trying to dum
87 airliner371 : Do you have a source for this? I am not second guessing you, I just want to see what else the source says. They are making AirTran work international
88 Cubsrule : It's unusual for a UA B or H fare to compare favorably with WN unless UA is actively matching WN. I flew BNA-MSY and then BTR-IAH-BNA a couple of mon
89 XFSUgimpLB41X : We sure will! ....in 2015.
90 MSPNWA : I don't think that's the issue. WN has stated that the 717 has about the same trip costs as a 733, with fewer seats and less range. Plus it would red
91 bobloblaw : How is that? The 717 uses less fuel and weighs less. Kevin Healy told me once when I asked them how they compete with WN at BWI, that that had equal
92 Post contains images jporterfi : Where are you flying from? I can't imagine paying $1,500 for a Y ticket unless it was international! Do you have elite status with UA, or was their $
93 Cubsrule : BNA, and I needed a refundable ticket. US was about the same. AA was significantly more and only worked in one direction. DL was maybe $100 less but n
94 bos2laf : I don't know that we'd even see JFK flights if B6 launched ATL. You're talking about two DL mega-hubs on both ends of the route. DL may have a large
95 airliner371 : I don't know all the how etc... but I can confirm WN did say that. I would like to point out that something Kevin Healy said (which must have been at
96 Post contains images ouboy79 : Keep thinking that.
97 airliner371 : I believe a few of the ATL flights are Air21 so they will have to serve ATL. They also already serve DCA-STL and DEN is out of perimeter.
98 strfyr51 : I really wouldn't doubt that because if Delta want's that? More than likely they'll get it. Consolidating operations on D concourse would be a wise m
99 enilria : Well, the cost is increasing even more because they are now really under-utilizing their assets there. I expect they will return or sell gates to DL
100 DeltaMD90 : I agree. WN is one of the best run and one of the largest carriers in the US. And I'm no airline CEO, but really, how hard is it to send a 737 from T
101 ouboy79 : If WN really wanted to charge bag fees they could. The res system is more than capable of billing fees without issue. However, bag fees are not in th
102 Post contains links diverdave : Lest we forget, Southwest already has bag fees. The fees apply to checked bags in excess of two per passenger, overweight, or oversize. http://www.so
103 XT6Wagon : but its not. The existing procedures, and employees with the required skills are very valueble to "starting" a program of your own. Lots of money to
104 BOStonsox : ATL is the biggest destination not served by B6 from BOS. It is over 200 PDEW larger than BOS-DEN, which has a UA hub and WN focus city on one end, a
105 bobloblaw : No thye cant. It is too late. If they were to reverse course and flip flop on "Bags Fly Free" they will join New Coke in the annals of Corporate Flop
106 airliner371 : The only thing I could think of is if they quietly (and people will make sure it isn't quiet) add a second bag fee that is cheaper then other airline
107 ouboy79 : Thanks for taking my post out of context. The system allows them to charge bags fees if they want, which is what I was getting to. I agree the bags f
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This 757 (?) Must Be Landing EWR Rwy 29? posted Tue Jan 29 2008 17:02:46 by Timz
Speculation In News Article DL My Be Looking At B6 posted Tue Sep 11 2007 05:55:11 by SpencerII
Southwest's Concrete Apron At ISP Must Be Removed posted Mon Jan 22 2007 23:38:47 by KarlB737
FAA: Planes Must Be Built To Take An Attack posted Tue Jan 9 2007 20:00:10 by KarlB737
I Must Be Going Crazy (Insane Trip Just Booked) posted Tue Apr 11 2006 05:56:25 by MSYtristar