A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9079 posts, RR: 13 Posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11052 times:
Hello All,
I don't know if this has been discussed before so please except my apologies if it has. Seeing the new UA livery on their 787's, will this livery be applied throughout the entire UA fleet? If so, what's the aircraft per aircraft type? I'm more interested in the 73G/738/739 fleet but of course all the other aircraft types' (re)painting schedule is most welcome of course.
allegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 94 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11039 times:
I think UA needs a completely new livery in general. The globe is very boring.This will unfortunately not happen since they are finishing up putting them in the current livery. They really did do a damper when they didnt continue the "tulip" or "rising Blue" livery
LostSound From Canada, joined May 2012, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10952 times:
UA is still painting aircraft in the regular grey base livery (as of lately the Ejets in the Express division).
I'm pretty sure that the first 787 is a one off. Chances are the other UA 787s will carry the regular livery.
If the next one does have the wave of grey, then it could be assumed the 787 will carry a different livery from the rest of the fleet.
My view is that the wave of grey was really just a merge between Boeing's house livery and UA's livery to celebrate the first 787 for the company.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9079 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10875 times:
Quoting LostSound (Reply 2): My view is that the wave of grey was really just a merge between Boeing's house livery and UA's livery to celebrate the first 787 for the company.
So far, all 787's delivered to UA have the same livery.
The net is that probably by the end of Q1 all of the painting for mainline will be done. There are only blue scheme plains flying (the battleship livery is gone from mainline).
Yes, the express fleet is taking longer, but frankly they are not pressing those as much as the mainline fleet.
They also have fleet plans that call for some types to depart, so those will not get new paint until they leave.
As for interiors, they are all over the place, since they had contracts for seats for the 787's before the merger and contrary to beliefs on a.net these can't be changed at a moments notice without delays or impacts.
Therefor, they are still getting planes from previous agreements.
The sUA757's that are getting the interior refresh are getting the long-term seats.
callbell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10426 times:
Slider, I think he means regular grey base as in with a stright line as opposed to the wavy line on the 787s. I guess it could be thought to mean the old battleship grey livery as that was my immediate thought on reading that post.
slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6518 posts, RR: 37 Reply 8, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10380 times:
Quoting callbell (Reply 7): Slider, I think he means regular grey base as in with a stright line as opposed to the wavy line on the 787s. I guess it could be thought to mean the old battleship grey livery as that was my immediate thought on reading that post.
Oh, oh....got it....yeah, that was a bit ambiguous. Gotcha now. Thanks!
LostSound From Canada, joined May 2012, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10341 times:
Quoting slider (Reply 5): No, they're not....where do you get this? United Express aircraft are being repainted as well, progress varies by operator. But no gray.
My apologies, by regular grey base I meant the regular CO/UA livery with the straight grey portion on the bottom.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4009 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10194 times:
Quoting LostSound (Reply 2): I'm pretty sure that the first 787 is a one off. Chances are the other UA 787s will carry the regular livery.
If the next one does have the wave of grey, then it could be assumed the 787 will carry a different livery from the rest of the fleet.
All of the 787s will carry this livery (the first 5 have been painted and are all identical). What I'm curious to see is if the A350s or 737 MAX come in this or a new livery (2016-2018, might be time for a new image...lets hope).
deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1589 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9681 times:
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 10): What I'm curious to see is if the A350s or 737 MAX come in this or a new livery (2016-2018, might be time for a new image...lets hope).
If what they said when merger was announced back in 2010 the answer is no. United stated in the press back then that within a few years a whole new branding/livery would be unveiled for the new combined carrier,but for now the focus had to be on the logistics of the merge first so faced with choice they were going w/ the CO livery for the time being. Who knows if they'll stick to that or what, but that is what I remember reading from multiple news sources at that time.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16831 posts, RR: 57 Reply 12, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9597 times:
Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 1):
I think UA needs a completely new livery in general. The globe is very boring.This will unfortunately not happen since they are finishing up putting them in the current livery. They really did do a damper when they didnt continue the "tulip" or "rising Blue" livery
Ugly as it is, it was a sound decision.
Their options were:
1) Repaint all aircraft to the new PMUA livery (the blue and white one).
2) Repaint all aircraft to the PMCO livery.
3) Entirely new livery
If we analyze option (1), we quickly see that this makes little economic sense. At the time of the merger, about a third of the PMUA fleet had been repainted, so 2/3 of the PMUA fleet and all of the PMCO fleet would need repainting.
Option (3) would mean that every aircraft in the fleet would need to be repainted.
Option (2) meant that the PMCO fleet only needed a decal or a partial repaint (not sure what their solution was...anyone know?) and only the PMUA fleet needed repainting.
It will be another decade until we see a new livery.
JBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9520 times:
United probably won't go through another rebranding until well after all of the dust and wrinkles have settled out of the merger. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if American's potential rebranding may be incentive for United to refresh their look.
I see Delta sticking with their livery for awhile, since they're just now settling into having the whole fleet painted over.
I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
ukoverlander From United Kingdom, joined May 2010, 280 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9491 times:
Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 1): I think UA needs a completely new livery in general. The globe is very boring.This will unfortunately not happen since they are finishing up putting them in the current livery. They really did do a damper when they didnt continue the "tulip" or "rising Blue" livery
Oh boy.....here we go again.
Grab a comfy chair and some popcorn folks......it's the Tulip versus the Globe debate again.
cosyr From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 202 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9132 times:
Quoting questions (Reply 15): Clearly Smi/J wanted everyone to know who was on top.
That had nothing to do with it, it was based on cost and time to complete a singular brand image. Since half of the pmUA had the blue and half had the grey, for going to the blue and white, you would have had to repaint 3/4 of the new airline's fleet (all of pmCO and the grey's) to do a new livery, you would have to paint 100% of the planes and would have started out with 4 identities.
To go with the option they have now, they had to retitle pmCO planes and repaint half of the new airline's fleet, 1/4 of which had to be repainted anyway from the grey.
This way has created a unified brand in very short time. 90% of mainline planes are in one livery. Now they can take their time and decide where to take the brand in the future, without looking mixed up to customers.
cruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 189 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9054 times:
JHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9009 times:
Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 1): I think UA needs a completely new livery in general. The globe is very boring.This will unfortunately not happen since they are finishing up putting them in the current livery. They really did do a damper when they didnt continue the "tulip" or "rising Blue" livery
It's also confusing in a way. The globe triggers the Continental brand but the name triggers the old Tulip.
flygbear From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 32 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7906 times:
In all due respect, UAL has had numerous livery changes in a relatively short period of time. They all kept a sharp appearance to the United Airlines name (at the time).
But on the other hand US Airway went through so many liveries, mostly due to bad reputations in the media and general public. At one point, I distinctly recall thinking, "Sherman Williams must be having a shortage due to all of USAirways'' numerous liveries. To make a long story short, too many changes confuses the potentioal customer.
aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7793 times:
I really, really hope not.
I have had it up to here with the swooshy things (a.k.a. the "Generic Meaningless Swoosh Thing", or GMST).
Time for a new trend in airline identity.
Bring back the old-style window stripes!
(Er, well, okay, not the red, blue, and orange tri-color that United last used, but you see my point....)
Patrick Smith
[Edited 2012-11-30 18:02:12]
Patrick Smith is an airline pilot, air travel columnist and author
aviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7679 times:
Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 1): I think UA needs a completely new livery in general. The globe is very boring.
Here's what I say in my book (to be published in April) about the current United/Continental hybrid livery...
"....When United and Continental Airlines announced their merger in 2010, this combination paint scheme was unveiled, marrying the Continental tail and fuselage with the United typeface. 'Continented,' let’s call it. It’s a good-looking design, and we understand the sentiment, but doing away with United’s iconic “U” emblem was a mistake. The U—a feathery, truncated tulip in its final, pre-merger form—was never especially dashing, but Continental’s segmented globe, now in its place, is so boring that it looks like a PowerPoint slide. Also, I miss the fully spelled “United Airlines” used in the 1990s, which had more gravity than a lackadaisical 'United.'
captainstefan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 338 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7121 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12): (not sure what their solution was...anyone know?)
They did indeed use stickers on the sCO aircraft. In the rain you could tell where the seams were (right above the top of the windows, about 3 feet on either side of the letters, and strangely the decal reached all the way to the top of the airplane).
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5338 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6971 times:
Quoting captainstefan (Reply 22): They did indeed use stickers on the sCO aircraft. In the rain you could tell where the seams were (right above the top of the windows, about 3 feet on either side of the letters, and strangely the decal reached all the way to the top of the airplane).
There was only one or two of the CO mainline jets that temporarily used a decal. There are quite a few aircraft where they painted the entire crown of the aircraft ...that's why it looks like they painted or decaled up to the top of the aircraft.
ATL From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6880 times:
I really don't want to see UA 787 ALL have a special livery... I want the actual livery!
25 American 767: So did Delta. 3 livery changes in only 10 years.
26 FlyDeltaJets: From UA today.... "Our new livery is now on more than 90 percent of the mainline fleet, and by the end of the year we expect to have completed all our
27 TWA772LR: So the current scheme is just the cheapest combo? That's not a bad idea since the economy is the way it is and paint is expensive. But, they shouldve
28 CALPSAFltSkeds: This indicates that the four remaining 752s in UA Blue will not be painted as they are leaving the fleet. N527UA, N544UA should have already exited.
29 hawaiian717: When they first announced that the merged United would use the globe logo and Continental livery, they also used the Continental typeface as well. The
30 pdx: Anybody know if they're re-painting their EM2's or getting rid of them? What will they get replaced with...on the PDXSEA leg for instance?
31 Antoniemey: Partial repaints. Not so much, no. A few planes got decals (as noted already above) but in a lot of cases they simply painted over the old titles and
32 727LOVER: Does anyone have regs of 757 still in old colors w/ winglets?
33 CALPSAFltSkeds: Four in total, all slated to leave the fleet between now and Spring.. Winglets: N517UA, N532UA, N544UA (517 and 532 are in ps configuration) No wingl
34 727LOVER: Thanx oh, I didnt know the -222s had begun retirement. How many have left so far?------& why would they be getting rid of ships that they spent mo
36 AirframeAS: Are they stripping off the old UA livery then painting on the new one or are they just painting the new livery over the old? The reason why I ask is
37 strfyr51: Really? The Globe?? That's the BEST part of the Continental Paint job!! the REST IS Boring!! But having said that ?? It's the modt Servicealble paint
38 strfyr51: Excellent analysis. The Grey Blue left over from Steve Wolfe was a worst atrocity to mankind. the Wavy waterline of the 787's is just a fad for That
39 CALPSAFltSkeds: From UA.com: p.s. Premium Service is offered on transcontinental nonstop flights between New York (JFK) and Los Angeles or San Francisco. On p.s. fli
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