I know we talk a lot about TK, but there is always exciting news about TK. But here I start with Pegasus;
-Pegasus order appearantly a done deal, probably an announcement will be made for 70+30 aircraft, A320NEOs.
-TK order of 15+5 77Ws, could very well be already decided at 20.
-TK 333s starting to arrive next year. ( 2 frames)
-TK to order 100 narrow bodies soon. Split??
-New Istanbul airports first phase might not be ready till after 2016.
-AC to start IST 3 x weekly with 763s, and AC and TK to codeshare.
-Hamdi Topcu of TK said TK would fly to 35 destinations in Africa by the end of the year back in January. Fack check; he is pretty close.
-TK to open 33 new routes in 2013; and here is a wish list from TK (thanks to Leftyboarder) please correct if wrong!
Santiago de Compostela
Please take it from here and welcome everyone!
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11952 posts, RR: 37 Reply 2, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15917 times:
Congratulations on six terrific years; it's always been interesting to read the Turkish threads, and great to see how fast TK is expanding (and that DUB is part of that network!).
Looks like 2013 is going to be another exciting year for TK, with lots of new destinations - looks like it will be more than EK, EY and QR put together - and good to see that the airline is solidly in profit.
Just two questions I have, in relation to the airline's fleet choices. The airline's recent WB order has been split pretty much fifty/fifty - in numbers, if not necessarily in dollar value. I think we all expect a split between the Neo and the Max for the new WB order, but to what extent does government "guidance" come in here? Is TK still required/"encouraged" to split orders between Boeing and Airbus? I ask this principally because compared to a few years ago, Turkey's geopolitical importance has increased very much; ok, it was always important, but with the collapse of the Syrian regime (imminent), the isolation of Iran and the confusion over Egypt's direction, Turkey is pretty much the regional powerhouse ... why does Turkey still need to please both the US and Europe when it comes to aircraft orders?
The second question is: with TK building its widebody fleet for the next few years on the 77W and A330, does it not risk falling behind regional competitors who have ordered the A350 and 787; I realise that the question of a possible 787/A350 order has been discussed here at length, but does the recent A330/777 order mean that the "next generation" order has fallen down the priority list?
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4106 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15877 times:
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 1): A Coruña (LCG) has been discarded and switched to Santiago de Compostela (SCQ). Time schedules are already official and tickets for sale:
Thanks, made changes above.
Quoting LCYFlyer (Reply 4): What surprises me is the (planned) addition to Havana. What will the frequency be? Is there even a demand for that route?
This is just a wish list. Last months thread there were talks about joining HVN with MEX. Who knows? I was talking to friends in Istanbul. Lots of Havana vacationers amongst them.
This could be seasonal and 2-3 x weekly at best I imagine, if ever.
stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15782 times:
In last month thread pilotaydin highlighted the importance of the 330 family in TKs fleet. I can only acknowledge that. The two passenger versions as well as the freighter are the real backbone of the longhaul fleet; in my oppinion even more suitable than the 77W. This will get even better when Airbus is able to realise the 242t MTOW version of the 333. Far-East, Africa and the most important parts of Northamerica can be operated very easily and more important economically. As far as I remember they have 15 on order?!?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22030 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15730 times:
Happy December. Hopefully those in colder climates stay warm.
Quoting kaitak (Reply 2): but to what extent does government "guidance" come in here? Is TK still required/"encouraged" to split orders between Boeing and Airbus?
The Turkish state still owns 49% of the airline, it appoints both the CEO and Chairman, and various ministries have their fingers in the airline as well.
I can go into deeper details, but ultimately such major fleeting decisions are not made without blessing of parties in Ankara.
Quoting JU068 (Reply 12): Wasn't there talk about Pegasus opening a base at Tymvou in northern Cyprus?
A bit back Pegasus was asked by the Turkish Cypriot government about looking into setting up something now that Cyprus Turkish Airlines is long gone. Who knows what will come of this.
Atlasjet similarly looked at such a venture after CTA shutdown, but opted against it.
Btw - the name is Ercan airport located in Lefkosa.
Speaking of Pegasus, I understand they are in talks about possibly buying into, or taking over MyTechnic at SAW.
With a growing fleet, Pegasus wants a hangar and maintenance base, and buying into MyTechnic might be quicker and cheaper than developing the infrastructure organically.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
JU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15688 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13): Btw - the name is Ercan airport located in Lefkosa.
Actually the airport is located in the village of Tymvou, but the airport is also referred to it by that name. From Wikipedia : ' Location Tymvou, Cyprus' . Funnily enough, even flight radar 24 uses Tymvou and not Ercan for flights departing from the north.
Lefkosa is the Turkish name for the city. In English it is Nicosia.
TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15625 times:
A quick summary of the situation in Izmir following the comment of LAXintl in the previous thread ("As I recall the the commercial airport at Izmir prior to ADB opening was Cigli"):
Cumaovasi (IZM) was the main airport of Izmir, but became too small to serve Izmir. So all commercial flights were moved to Cigli Air Base (IGL). For a very short period, the commercial flights were shifted from IGL to IZM (1974-1975) and back to IGL (not later than 1977). IZM got demolished and the current Adnan Menderes Airport (ADB) was built instead. I can't really say where IZM was located, but it should be somewhere near or at the current location of ADB.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13): A bit back Pegasus was asked by the Turkish Cypriot government about looking into setting up something now that Cyprus Turkish Airlines is long gone. Who knows what will come of this.
What happened to the "North Cyprus Airlines" project?
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
Yes, but we do not speak Turkish on this website but English, hence why it makes little sense to use any name other than Nicosia.
Quoting TK1244 (Reply 14): What happened to the "North Cyprus Airlines" project?
I think after they were left with no other choice but to close down KTHY, they realized that they do not have the necessary funds to run an airline. On top of it all, the fact that it could not fly directly to any airport beyond Turkey made it even more difficult, especially after increased competition from mainland Turkey.
FreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15217 times:
How about Sochi? Many Russians like to go to Turkey for holiday. Also, there is practically nothing that doesn't involve Moscow, that connects North America to Sochi. It would certainly be a natural for TK to do.
Thanks for pointing this out......had to look again. The midnight departure from IST prevents people from pulling it up as a "connection" from the JFK flight. The flights from the states either miss it by a few hours, or there is an extremely long layover. Plus it is non-daily, too. Which is why I had troubles pulling it up in the schedules.
But it is welcome, without question. Hopefully, TK will increase the frequency, in the future, especially with the Olympics coming up in 2014.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22030 posts, RR: 51 Reply 22, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14676 times:
Last month in another thread there was a brief discussion about how some airline network routes can have very high reliance on transfer traffic for their existence.
Following this thread, I was asked my a member if I could share information and provide a bigger network picture for TK to display how routes can be interdependent.
Accordingly here is a long haul route profile for TK that shows how virtually all its longhaul routes rely on huge numbers of hub feed connections. The posted data is looking back 12-months as of June 2012.
Destination / 12-month load factor % / Percent of IST vs Transfer / Top 5 Intl transfer cities
Bangkok / 78% / 41 vs 58% / ARN, CPH, GOT, TLV, HEL
Beijing / 73% / 29% vs 71% / ODS, TLV, OTP, ATH, CDG
Bombay / 82% / 24 vs 76% / TLV, ARN, LHR, IAD, ORD
Chicago / 82% / 47 vs 53% / TLV, BOM, ADD, NBO, IKA
Delhi / 75% / 23 vs 77% / TLV, BCN, IAD, TXL, CPH
Dhaka / 79% / 11 vs 88% / MXP, TIP, IAD, ARN, TLV, ODS, OTP, ALG, KBP
Hong Kong / 75% / 50 vs 50% / TLV, OTP, ATH, VCE, ODS
Johannesburg / 79% / 33 vs 67% / SOF, CPH, ARN, MXP, TXL
Lagos / 77% / 27 vs 73% / LHR, TLV, MXP, DUB, ATH
Los Angeles / 77% / 45 vs 53% / IKA, BEY, TLV, BOM, AMM
New York / 78% / 58 vs 41% / TLV, IKA, NBO, BEY, GYD
Osaka / 71% / 50 vs 50% / BCN, CDG, FCO, TLV, MUC
Sao Paulo / 71% / 36 vs 64% / BEY, ATH, TLV, DEL, PVG
Seoul / 78% / 34 vs 66% / ATH, FCO, BCN, CDG, TLV
Shanghai / 80% / 37 vs 62% / TLV, OTP, MXP, ODS, BCN
Singapore / 86% / 31 vs 68% / ODS, FCO, TLV, OTP, KBP
Tokyo / 74% / 68 vs 32% / CAI, TLV, BCN, ATH, MXP
Toronto/ 83% / 34 vs 66% / IKA, AMM, JED, MHD, CAI
Washington / 74% / 39 vs 61% / BOM, DEL, IKA, ADD, DAC
So as you can see virtually the entire TK longhaul widebody network is heavily reliant in transfer traffic.
The only markets that are primarily IST O&D are New York and Tokyo - not ironically two of TKs first longhaul markets ever with the arrival of the A310 back in 1988 and 1989.
If anyone is curious about other individual markets, I might be able to get the information for those as well.
Quoting TK1244 (Reply 14): A quick summary of the situation in Izmir following the comment of LAXintl in the previous thread ("As I recall the the commercial airport at Izmir prior to ADB opening was Cigli"):
Thanks for the Izmir history.
As far back as I can remember (into the 1970s) I always flew into Cigli. Never experienced Cumaovasi.
[Edited 2012-12-03 08:28:59]
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
FreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14606 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22): Accordingly here is a long haul route profile for TK that shows how virtually all its longhaul routes rely on hub feed connections for support. The posted data is looking back 12-months as of June 2012.
I really like this chart a lot!! Wish there were more displays of this kind, showing these statistics.
Some make sense right out of the box..........others are really surprising.