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Turkish Aviation December 2012  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19101 times:

Happy 6th anniversary to our "Turkish Aviation" threads!
Thank you everyone for making these threads informative, fun and free of political or personal attacks over the years.


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I know we talk a lot about TK, but there is always exciting news about TK. But here I start with Pegasus;
-Pegasus order appearantly a done deal, probably an announcement will be made for 70+30 aircraft, A320NEOs.
-TK order of 15+5 77Ws, could very well be already decided at 20.
-TK 333s starting to arrive next year. ( 2 frames)
-TK to order 100 narrow bodies soon. Split??
-New Istanbul airports first phase might not be ready till after 2016.
-AC to start IST 3 x weekly with 763s, and AC and TK to codeshare.
-Hamdi Topcu of TK said TK would fly to 35 destinations in Africa by the end of the year back in January. Fack check; he is pretty close.
-TK to open 33 new routes in 2013; and here is a wish list from TK (thanks to Leftyboarder) please correct if wrong!


Abha
Abuja
Al-Qassim
Asmara
Aswan
Atlanta
Boston
Buenos Aires
Caracas
Colombo
Constanta
Douala
Esfahan
Havana
Houston
Kano
Kermanshah
Kharkiv
Kilimanjaro
Krakow
Libreville
Luanda
Luxembourg
Luxor
Malta
Manila
Marseille
Mexico City
Mombasa
Montreal
Niamey
Ouagadougou
Salzburg
San Francisco
Santiago de Compostela
Tallinn
Vilnius
Yaunde

Please take it from here and welcome everyone!
TK787

[Edited 2012-11-30 11:21:35]

[Edited 2012-11-30 11:22:49]

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User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19095 times:

A Coruña (LCG) has been discarded and switched to Santiago de Compostela (SCQ). Time schedules are already official and tickets for sale:

http://airlineroute.net/2012/11/30/tk-scq-s13/

Quote:
Turkish Airlines starting 21MAY13 will launch Istanbul Ataturk – Santiago de Compostela service, on board Airbus A319 aircraft. Service operates 3 times a week.

Schedule:

TK1319 IST0900 – 1245SCQ 319 257
TK1320 SCQ1350 – 1915IST 319 257

SCQ is TK’s 6th destination in Spain.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19064 times:

Congratulations on six terrific years; it's always been interesting to read the Turkish threads, and great to see how fast TK is expanding (and that DUB is part of that network!).

Looks like 2013 is going to be another exciting year for TK, with lots of new destinations - looks like it will be more than EK, EY and QR put together - and good to see that the airline is solidly in profit.

Just two questions I have, in relation to the airline's fleet choices. The airline's recent WB order has been split pretty much fifty/fifty - in numbers, if not necessarily in dollar value. I think we all expect a split between the Neo and the Max for the new WB order, but to what extent does government "guidance" come in here? Is TK still required/"encouraged" to split orders between Boeing and Airbus? I ask this principally because compared to a few years ago, Turkey's geopolitical importance has increased very much; ok, it was always important, but with the collapse of the Syrian regime (imminent), the isolation of Iran and the confusion over Egypt's direction, Turkey is pretty much the regional powerhouse ... why does Turkey still need to please both the US and Europe when it comes to aircraft orders?

The second question is: with TK building its widebody fleet for the next few years on the 77W and A330, does it not risk falling behind regional competitors who have ordered the A350 and 787; I realise that the question of a possible 787/A350 order has been discussed here at length, but does the recent A330/777 order mean that the "next generation" order has fallen down the priority list?

[Edited 2012-11-30 11:05:42]

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19053 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
why does Turkey still need to please both the US and Europe when it comes to aircraft orders?

My humble opinion, it is a matter of getting better pricing and better delivery dates.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
but does the recent A330/777 order mean that the "next generation" order has fallen down the priority list?

TK said 787 is too small for them. We will see a 350 order in the future, I think.
Reminder, TK to go from 36 WB aircraft this year to 69 WB aircraft in the next 5 years.


User currently offlineLCYFlyer From Germany, joined Oct 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19047 times:

What surprises me is the (planned) addition to Havana. What will the frequency be? Is there even a demand for that route?


Cheers, Pierre
User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19032 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 3):
TK said 787 is too small for them. We will see a 350 order in the future, I think.

As Kotil said in an interview they initially could order 5 A350s. And this means i won my inofficial bet against you, TK787  


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19024 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 1):
A Coruña (LCG) has been discarded and switched to Santiago de Compostela (SCQ). Time schedules are already official and tickets for sale:

Thanks, made changes above.

Quoting LCYFlyer (Reply 4):
What surprises me is the (planned) addition to Havana. What will the frequency be? Is there even a demand for that route?

This is just a wish list. Last months thread there were talks about joining HVN with MEX. Who knows? I was talking to friends in Istanbul. Lots of Havana vacationers amongst them.
This could be seasonal and 2-3 x weekly at best I imagine, if ever.

Were there ever Havana charters by TK?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19006 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 5):
i won my inofficial bet against you, TK787

We had a bet??? Still yet to be determined
 
I would like to remind you, I have a very close friend who is a member, but likes to keep it quiet; "TK350", joined a.net Nov 2007


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18987 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 7):
We had a bet??? Still yet to be determined

I would like to remind you, I have a very close friend who is a member, but likes to keep it quiet; "TK350", joined a.net Nov 2007

Yes, look at our names. This is why i said inofficial.

Most probably he is the reason why i have my current name.


User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18929 times:

In last month thread pilotaydin highlighted the importance of the 330 family in TKs fleet. I can only acknowledge that. The two passenger versions as well as the freighter are the real backbone of the longhaul fleet; in my oppinion even more suitable than the 77W. This will get even better when Airbus is able to realise the 242t MTOW version of the 333. Far-East, Africa and the most important parts of Northamerica can be operated very easily and more important economically. As far as I remember they have 15 on order?!?

User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18878 times:
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Wasn't there talk about Pegasus opening a base at Tymvou in northern Cyprus?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18880 times:

Happy December. Hopefully those in colder climates stay warm.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
but to what extent does government "guidance" come in here? Is TK still required/"encouraged" to split orders between Boeing and Airbus?

The Turkish state still owns 49% of the airline, it appoints both the CEO and Chairman, and various ministries have their fingers in the airline as well.
I can go into deeper details, but ultimately such major fleeting decisions are not made without blessing of parties in Ankara.


Quoting JU068 (Reply 12):
Wasn't there talk about Pegasus opening a base at Tymvou in northern Cyprus?

A bit back Pegasus was asked by the Turkish Cypriot government about looking into setting up something now that Cyprus Turkish Airlines is long gone. Who knows what will come of this.
Atlasjet similarly looked at such a venture after CTA shutdown, but opted against it.

Btw - the name is Ercan airport located in Lefkosa.

Speaking of Pegasus, I understand they are in talks about possibly buying into, or taking over MyTechnic at SAW.
With a growing fleet, Pegasus wants a hangar and maintenance base, and buying into MyTechnic might be quicker and cheaper than developing the infrastructure organically.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18836 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Btw - the name is Ercan airport located in Lefkosa.

Actually the airport is located in the village of Tymvou, but the airport is also referred to it by that name. From Wikipedia : ' Location Tymvou, Cyprus' . Funnily enough, even flight radar 24 uses Tymvou and not Ercan for flights departing from the north.

Lefkosa is the Turkish name for the city. In English it is Nicosia.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18838 times:

And not to get into politics, but since the airport is in Turkish side of Cyprus it has a Turkish name.

As they say, when in Rome....



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User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 18774 times:

A quick summary of the situation in Izmir following the comment of LAXintl in the previous thread ("As I recall the the commercial airport at Izmir prior to ADB opening was Cigli"):
Cumaovasi (IZM) was the main airport of Izmir, but became too small to serve Izmir. So all commercial flights were moved to Cigli Air Base (IGL). For a very short period, the commercial flights were shifted from IGL to IZM (1974-1975) and back to IGL (not later than 1977). IZM got demolished and the current Adnan Menderes Airport (ADB) was built instead. I can't really say where IZM was located, but it should be somewhere near or at the current location of ADB.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
A bit back Pegasus was asked by the Turkish Cypriot government about looking into setting up something now that Cyprus Turkish Airlines is long gone. Who knows what will come of this.

What happened to the "North Cyprus Airlines" project?



"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18642 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

Yes, but we do not speak Turkish on this website but English, hence why it makes little sense to use any name other than Nicosia.

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 14):
What happened to the "North Cyprus Airlines" project?

I think after they were left with no other choice but to close down KTHY, they realized that they do not have the necessary funds to run an airline. On top of it all, the fact that it could not fly directly to any airport beyond Turkey made it even more difficult, especially after increased competition from mainland Turkey.


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 18366 times:

How about Sochi? Many Russians like to go to Turkey for holiday. Also, there is practically nothing that doesn't involve Moscow, that connects North America to Sochi. It would certainly be a natural for TK to do.

User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 18351 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 16):

TK already flies to Sochi.


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 18079 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 17):
TK already flies to Sochi.

Thanks for pointing this out......had to look again. The midnight departure from IST prevents people from pulling it up as a "connection" from the JFK flight. The flights from the states either miss it by a few hours, or there is an extremely long layover. Plus it is non-daily, too. Which is why I had troubles pulling it up in the schedules.

But it is welcome, without question. Hopefully, TK will increase the frequency, in the future, especially with the Olympics coming up in 2014.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17985 times:

And two more destinations from the wish list become real: TK begins Esfahan and Kermnshah; both 2 weekly. Reported by airlineroute.net. Can't paste details as I am posting on my phone...

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 17967 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 19):
http://airlineroute.net/2012/12/03/tk-iran-dec12/

also this, TK to base 15 planes at SAW next summer, from "tozbek";
http://kokpit.aero/thy-sabiha-gokcen-ucak-base


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17844 times:

Airblue plan to resume Istanbul but no date given, the A340 that tech stopped at Ankara was due to crew rest issue according to the airlines unofficial facebook page.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17827 times:

Hello all,

Last month in another thread there was a brief discussion about how some airline network routes can have very high reliance on transfer traffic for their existence.

Following this thread, I was asked my a member if I could share information and provide a bigger network picture for TK to display how routes can be interdependent.

Accordingly here is a long haul route profile for TK that shows how virtually all its longhaul routes rely on huge numbers of hub feed connections. The posted data is looking back 12-months as of June 2012.


Legend is:

Destination / 12-month load factor % / Percent of IST vs Transfer / Top 5 Intl transfer cities

Bangkok / 78% / 41 vs 58% / ARN, CPH, GOT, TLV, HEL
Beijing / 73% / 29% vs 71% / ODS, TLV, OTP, ATH, CDG
Bombay / 82% / 24 vs 76% / TLV, ARN, LHR, IAD, ORD
Chicago / 82% / 47 vs 53% / TLV, BOM, ADD, NBO, IKA
Delhi / 75% / 23 vs 77% / TLV, BCN, IAD, TXL, CPH
Dhaka / 79% / 11 vs 88% / MXP, TIP, IAD, ARN, TLV, ODS, OTP, ALG, KBP
Hong Kong / 75% / 50 vs 50% / TLV, OTP, ATH, VCE, ODS
Johannesburg / 79% / 33 vs 67% / SOF, CPH, ARN, MXP, TXL
Lagos / 77% / 27 vs 73% / LHR, TLV, MXP, DUB, ATH
Los Angeles / 77% / 45 vs 53% / IKA, BEY, TLV, BOM, AMM
New York / 78% / 58 vs 41% / TLV, IKA, NBO, BEY, GYD
Osaka / 71% / 50 vs 50% / BCN, CDG, FCO, TLV, MUC
Sao Paulo / 71% / 36 vs 64% / BEY, ATH, TLV, DEL, PVG
Seoul / 78% / 34 vs 66% / ATH, FCO, BCN, CDG, TLV
Shanghai / 80% / 37 vs 62% / TLV, OTP, MXP, ODS, BCN
Singapore / 86% / 31 vs 68% / ODS, FCO, TLV, OTP, KBP
Tokyo / 74% / 68 vs 32% / CAI, TLV, BCN, ATH, MXP
Toronto/ 83% / 34 vs 66% / IKA, AMM, JED, MHD, CAI
Washington / 74% / 39 vs 61% / BOM, DEL, IKA, ADD, DAC


So as you can see virtually the entire TK longhaul widebody network is heavily reliant in transfer traffic.

The only markets that are primarily IST O&D are New York and Tokyo - not ironically two of TKs first longhaul markets ever with the arrival of the A310 back in 1988 and 1989.

If anyone is curious about other individual markets, I might be able to get the information for those as well.

Quoting TK1244 (Reply 14):
A quick summary of the situation in Izmir following the comment of LAXintl in the previous thread ("As I recall the the commercial airport at Izmir prior to ADB opening was Cigli"):

Thanks for the Izmir history.
As far back as I can remember (into the 1970s) I always flew into Cigli. Never experienced Cumaovasi.

[Edited 2012-12-03 08:28:59]


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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 17753 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
Accordingly here is a long haul route profile for TK that shows how virtually all its longhaul routes rely on hub feed connections for support. The posted data is looking back 12-months as of June 2012.

I really like this chart a lot!! Wish there were more displays of this kind, showing these statistics.

Some make sense right out of the box..........others are really surprising.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 17721 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):

Amazing data, thanks a lot! Would love to see more. It seems that TLV feeds a lot of the long haul network, even more than IKA or BEY... And what's up with ODS being on top for PEK?


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 17878 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
Osaka / 71% / 50 vs 50% / BCN, CDG, FCO, TLV, MUC
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
Tokyo / 74% / 68 vs 32% / CAI, TLV, BCN, ATH, MXP

Wow... thanks a lot for this data, really impressive!! Why is there so much demand between Turkey and Japan? Business or leisure?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
If anyone is curious about other individual markets, I might be able to get the information for those as well.

Do you have the numbers for Belgrade? I am really curious to see what the demand is like. Also Mogadishu would be interesting to see.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 17909 times:

Something seems to have gone wrong with the formatting with Dhaka and we lost the Guangzhou entry.

Here they are again.

Dhaka / 79% / 11 vs 88% / MXP, TIP, IAD, ARN, YYZ
Guangzhou / 71% / 27% vs 73% / TLV, ODS, OTP, ALG, KBP



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User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17992 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):

Great information really.

Is it possible to have the information for domestic feed in Turkey for TK's long haul ex IST operation if possible?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18019 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 24):
It seems that TLV feeds a lot of the long haul network, even more than IKA or BEY...

Yes TLV is big for TK, although Iran is bigger - but traffic in Iran is split up with multiple service points of Tehran, Shiraz, Tabriz, Mashad..

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 24):
And what's up with ODS being on top for PEK?

Not sure.

Could be some Chinese construction related traffic. For instance for a couple years TK flew lots of Chinese construction workers to Algiers on government infrastructure projects.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 25):
Wow... thanks a lot for this data, really impressive!! Why is there so much demand between Turkey and Japan? Business or leisure?

A bit of both.

I know the Japanese were one of the first non European large investors in Turkey. Over 140 Japanese firms have offices in Turkey and they are involved in everything from large scale infrastructure projects, various manufacturing, to logistics.

Also for NRT keep in mind its schedule timing is very different then the remaining TK Far-East services so its carries more local traffic then wide range of transfers.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 25):
Do you have the numbers for Belgrade?

Here you go..

Belgrade / 72% / 45 vs 55% / DXB, GYD, KWI, DOH, BEY

Quoting JU068 (Reply 25):
Also Mogadishu would be interesting to see.

Dont have it as the route is new (launched March 2012) and not generated 12-months of history.

However from what I have heard it basically carries folks from all over Europe. So wherever there is a Somali diaspora it should likely feed it.

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 27):
Is it possible to have the information for domestic feed in Turkey for TK's long haul ex IST operation if possible?

Sure but its pretty predictable.

Ankara, Izmir, Antalya, Adana, Kayseri were the largest domestic feed producers to IST.

But if you would like to know the top beyond markets for Ankara traffic, they are:

LHR, AMS, BRU, CDG, GYD, VIE, FRA, JED, TXL, MED

[Edited 2012-12-03 10:31:41]


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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17921 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):
Belgrade / 72% / 45 vs 55% / DXB, GYD, KWI, DOH, BEY

Thanks for the information. Interesting that Dubai still ranks as number one since flydubai operates between the two. Another interesting is Doha, I guess Qatar has some O&D market to reply upon now that they fly to Belgrade.


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17918 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 24):
Amazing data, thanks a lot! Would love to see more. It seems that TLV feeds a lot of the long haul network, even more than IKA or BEY... And what's up with ODS being on top for PEK?

There is less TLV out of the USA. No service on LY out of ORD or MIA anymore, so that forces people to use other gateways/hubs. In turn, with the Americans taking seats on other parts of Europe to TLV, this forces other non-Europeans to take alternative routings, depending on the day, of course, since the flights are often full.

As far as ODS goes, you can see it on the top list of a number of the lists. Much of this has to do with the general lack of service into ODS, relatively speaking, considering the amount of people that go there.

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 27):
Is it possible to have the information for domestic feed in Turkey for TK's long haul ex IST operation if possible?

I'm really curious on where people from Batman(BAL) go to......


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17846 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-AC to start IST 3 x weekly with 763s, and AC and TK to codeshare.

Does anyone have any more info / link on this? I can not find much online...

I need to take a weekend trip to YYZ next October and TK prices are very high. Maybe AC may come to the rescue  



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17818 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 15):
I think after they were left with no other choice but to close down KTHY, they realized that they do not have the necessary funds to run an airline. On top of it all, the fact that it could not fly directly to any airport beyond Turkey made it even more difficult, especially after increased competition from mainland Turkey.

Didn't KHTY have a flight to Skopje, at one time??


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17811 times:
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Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 32):

They used to fly to various places around Europe but with one stop in Turkey.


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17804 times:

Thanks a lot for the info, LAXintl!

I am very curious about the connecting traffic to and from Spain.  
Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 30):
I'm really curious on where people from Batman(BAL) go to......

Gotham City? (I know it is too easy...)

[Edited 2012-12-03 12:30:43]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17721 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 29):
Thanks for the information. Interesting that Dubai still ranks as number one since flydubai operates between the two. Another interesting is Doha, I guess Qatar has some O&D market to reply upon now that they fly to Belgrade.

Sometimes just because someone enters the market does not mean a shift of traffic. Especially with an LCC they can generate all new demand with low fares. I also suspect people might use the FZ BEG flight from other cities in the region such as Zagreb to Budapest etc..

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 30):
I'm really curious on where people from Batman(BAL) go to......

Not Transylvania -- ha ha

I don't have it as its a rather small market, but if its anything like other regional Turkish markets it should be primarily to Germany, and depending on religious nature of the population to JED/MED also possibly.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 31):
Does anyone have any more info / link on this? I can not find much online...

We even have a thread on it..
Air Canada Announces Major International Expansion (by dcann40 Nov 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 34):
I am very curious about the connecting traffic to and from Spain.

Here you go..

Barcelona / 70% / 55 vs 45% / DEL, BEY, ICN, IKA, DXB
Madrid / 69% / 54 vs 46% / BEY, DEL, ICN, IKA, PEK
Malaga / 64% / 51 vs 49% / IKA, KWI, DXB, BEY, DOH
Valencia / 62% / 56 vs 44% / BEY, PVG, IKA, PEK, DXB



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User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17661 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):
Barcelona / 70% / 55 vs 45% / DEL, BEY, ICN, IKA, DXB
Madrid / 69% / 54 vs 46% / BEY, DEL, ICN, IKA, PEK
Malaga / 64% / 51 vs 49% / IKA, KWI, DXB, BEY, DOH
Valencia / 62% / 56 vs 44% / BEY, PVG, IKA, PEK, DXB

Thanks.

It seems to be a good mix of Middle East, India and East Asia there. I am surprised to see IKA is on the Top 5 in all of them (1st from AGP!)... BEY is not that surprising (no direct flights Lebanon-Spain).

VLC seems to rely more on East Asia traffic (no EK/QR from there) and AGP on the Gulf (Marbella in Malaga is a very popular destination for Gulf Arabs).

[Edited 2012-12-03 14:04:46]

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17633 times:

Nothing on KHI nd ISB?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17632 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):
Sometimes just because someone enters the market does not mean a shift of traffic. Especially with an LCC they can generate all new demand with low fares. I also suspect people might use the FZ BEG flight from other cities in the region such as Zagreb to Budapest etc..

Well, the reason why I mentioned it is because flydubai has become extremely popular in Serbia. Now during the holidays they intend on flying almost double daily. I didn't expect Dubai to remain as number one on the list. It will be interesting to see what impact Qatar will have on them.

Could you please provide me with numbers for Riga, a friend of mine is asking. Thanks.

[Edited 2012-12-03 14:25:05]

User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17597 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 37):
Nothing on KHI nd ISB?

Mathematically difficult as these destinations are served with lower capacity (aircraft and frequencywise). So the total number of pax is smaller as well, leading this destinations not to be in the top 5.

The LF of the Spanish destinations seems to be quite low in general. SIN LF is quite high. Maybe a sign to switch to bigger aircraft or to add higher frequency.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17602 times:

I'm surprised TK have not won over Pakistani travellers since they have been f;ying here since before the ME3 existed, infact they went down from wide body to narrrow twice from A310 and A330/340.

User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 17579 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):

Very interesting data. Appreciate the effort. Would be great to see the numbers and destinations for ZAG, SKP, SJJ, PRN and SIP as well. For ZAG would be nice to know the data prior and after QR arrival to the city (2011 vs. 2012).
Also i always wondered what was TK's loadfactor to central Asian destinations as well as Russian and Ukrainian provincial cities? Wonder whether TK has plans to cut some of those, if they were profitable at all.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
So as you can see virtually the entire TK longhaul widebody network is heavily reliant in transfer traffic.

Honestly i wouldn't have imagined that to such an extend, knowing Turkey is a tourism-powerhouse.

[Edited 2012-12-03 16:27:05]

User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 17557 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 28):
Quoting JU068 (Reply 25):
Do you have the numbers for Belgrade?

Here you go..

Belgrade / 72% / 45 vs 55% / DXB, GYD, KWI, DOH, BEY

So we can conclude that most of inter-continental passengers to Asia, North America and others are taken away by SU and other European carriers? Would that mean that with QR's entrace TK might see even lower transiting figures from BEG (and lower O&D thanks to Pegasus)? Since last summer they operate BEG double daily on some days.
As for BEG-BEY the prices still remain irrationally high, around 700$ round-trip out of season.

Other fact, TK experiences extremly sharp competition at KBP on almost all of its destinations. Would you have the numbers for that route, would be interesting to see it.

[Edited 2012-12-03 16:33:19]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 17653 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 37):
Nothing on KHI nd ISB?

Per your request

Karachi / 89% / 41 vs 59% / ORD, IAD, YYZ, LAX, DUB
Islamabad / 73% / 25 vs 75% / IAD, OSL, ARN, DUB, YYZ

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 39):
SIN LF is quite high. Maybe a sign to switch to bigger aircraft or to add higher frequency.

Eventually SIN and CGK will be decoupled giving each destination its own flight.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 41):
Would be great to see the numbers and destinations for ZAG, SKP, SJJ, PRN and SIP as well.

Here is the big one ZAG.

Zagreb / 76% / 48 vs 52 / ICN, DXB, DOH, CAI, IKA

Takes time to dig up all the info others, but a cursory look largest markets for TK are PRN, SJJ, SIP then SKP. Load factor wise the strongest is SJJ.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 41):
Wonder whether TK has plans to cut some of those, if they were profitable at all.

I dont think TK views routes on standalone profitability anymore. They are viewed in the larger context of network benefit and connectivity.

I know for a fact that several rather big name cities are loss making, but its important to have them for the feed and for the sake of serving them due to their popularity.

Its like any airline. A good portion of markets might be loss making on standalone, but their net benefits to the hub is greater then what they produce on their own.



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User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 17567 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 40):

What i am impressed about is that TK's footprint in Iran isn't higher than that, given the blockades that IR faces.
Does IR has code-share agreements with any European airline for North American flights?

Also i'm completely puzzled by Dhaka being such an important piece in TK's network, incredible numbers, great job LAXintl.


User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17583 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):
Here is the big one ZAG.

Zagreb / 76% / 48 vs 52 / ICN, DXB, DOH, CAI, IKA

Now that's also astonishing, IKA especially. ICN and CAI for the tourists (Korean and Croatian respectively), DXB/DOH for the expats but IKA i really can't explain.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17614 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 44):
What i am impressed about is that TK's footprint in Iran isn't higher than that, given the blockades that IR faces.

The now 5 Iran markets represented almost 700,000 enplanements. I believe TK is the largest foreign airline in Iran these days.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 44):
Does IR has code-share agreements with any European airline for North American flights

They can't codeshare formally to the US, but I know they have ticketing agreements with both TK and KL. For TK they do codeshare on Turkey services.

In the past IR also had deals with Martinair and LTU for connections to the US.



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User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17563 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 46):
The now 5 Iran markets represented almost 700,000 enplanements. I believe TK is the largest foreign airline in Iran these days.

What's surprising is that IR still remains the dominant carrier in Iran, despite all the sanctions put upon them. A bit off-topic but anyone would know the exact market share at IKA between IR and foreign carriers? Also, any idea on when IR has been cut-off from the GDS? Thanks.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17507 times:
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Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 45):

There is a lot of O&D demand between Iran and Croatia. A lot of Croats have been living there even during the time of Yugoslavia.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17361 times:

TK online checkin is not working again. Also, the Miles and Smiles log in does not work. They have been having huge problems with these systems lately, since the last month they were hacked. Lots of passenger information were stolen.


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User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 17274 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 1):

So the plan for destination starts are now:

05.12.12 IST-Kilimanjaro-Mombasa
11.12.12 IST - Sao Paulo-Buenos Aires
15.12.12 IST- Niamey-Ouagadougou
19.12.12 IST – Isfahan
21.12.12 IST – Yaounde – Douala
26.12.12 IST - Kermanshah
01.04.13 IST-Houston
21.05.13 IST – Santiago de Compostela

THY fly at the moment to 93 countries and 208 destinations. After adding destinations until end of 2012, there will be 97 countries and 217 destinatios, as Temel Kotil recently said. He will open 33 new destinations until end of 2013, makes 250 destinations.



[Edited 2012-12-04 08:01:34]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17213 times:

Turkish Cargo will add Chengdu China in early 2013 with its A330Fs. Chengdu is a growing inland manufacturing hub.

Also apparently they have applied for freighter rights to Vietnam as well.



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User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 731 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 17064 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 44):
Also i'm completely puzzled by Dhaka being such an important piece in TK's network, incredible numbers, great job LAXintl.

Just flew JFK-IST-DAC yesterday ... am writing from Dhaka now.

My experience was so bizzarre... a superb Comfort Class experience on JFK-IST compared to a terrible Terrible TERRIBLE experience on the IST-DAC sector. If Comfort is Y+ .. then it I certainly got Y- in the second leg. Will fill in the details soon.

 

But IST-DAC was certainly packed to the rims ... both C and Y. Mostly connecting traffic from USA and North/West Europe ... as the data provided by LAXintl suggested. Great numbers indeed!


User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16974 times:

Any update on TK's India plans?

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 16905 times:

End of November figures for Turkish airports are out on DHMI website. IST has reached 41,454,675 passengers for the 11 months so far, clocking in nearly 4m pax in one month and up nearly 7m on last year's same period. We might be seeing 45m for the whole year.

The figure for all Turkish airports is 121,800,591, adding 9m pax in November and up 10.5m on last year. It is interesting to see that 8m of the 10.5m additional pax is in IST/SAW alone.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26956 posts, RR: 58
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16836 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-AC to start IST 3 x weekly with 763s, and AC and TK to codeshare

Thats certainly interesting. Although TK will offer the better product IMHO .


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 16752 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 55):
Thats certainly interesting. Although TK will offer the better product IMHO .

Yes indeed. I am presuming that AC will use single-cabin 767 planes, like they do for YYZ-ATH. But correct me if I'm wrong on this.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26956 posts, RR: 58
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 16726 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 56):

No its a two cabin service to IST.


User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 16693 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):

Thanks for the interesting and very needed info as always. Excellent post.
Just looking at this table shows you the importance of TLV to TK, one would wonder where the numbers would be if "mavi 'marmara" didn't happen, or the stance of Turkish pm on Israel relationships was different...



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 16756 times:

Here some other random stats for THY.

Largest County Markets in pax
Germany
Italy
USA
France
UK
Saudi Arabia
China
Spain
Switzerland
Iran

Top 10 foreign stations in scheduled enplanments
LHR
FRA
CDG
DUS
BRU
TLV
AMS
JFK
MXP
JED

If you add charters in then German stations and Saudi Arabia climb higher.



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User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 16688 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 54):

ESB also reached 8,518,624 pax until end of November 2012. International pax average 12% increase and domestic 10% increase overall. The airport is reaching its capacity of 10 m pax per annum quite shortly we can see.

Overall ESB and ADB will also be in 10 m or more pax range very shortly to make Turkey's large airports from two (IST+AYT) until 3 years ago, to five (IST+AYT+SAW+ESB+ADB)

I do not think there is any other market in the world with such performance, may be in the Far East ???


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 16675 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 57):
No its a two cabin service to IST.

Thanks for clarifying this. Still, like you, I still think TK will fare better on this route, as opposed to AC, regardless.


User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 16596 times:

WOW, amazing data LaxIntl,
do you have the same numbers (O&D vs. transfer, and top destinations) for the German Airports. As Everybody else, I think, they mostly rely on ethnic traffic, but it seems there are some unknown surprises.
Thank you in advance.

It would be interesting to have the same data for major Hubs like, LHR, CDG, AMS, ZRH, VIE, DXB ect.


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 16542 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 59):

It is interesting to note that the only two Middle Eastern destinations on the Top 10 are TLV and JED, where for European/US traffic the big 3 Gulf carriers are in clear disadvantage when compared to other cities such as KWI, RUH or BAH (no connectivity in TLV and big detour from JED) and both cities (even if so different) have based LY and SV which don't stand out for being at the height of service or connectivity.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 64, posted (1 year 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 16494 times:

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 58):
Just looking at this table shows you the importance of TLV to TK, one would wonder where the numbers would be if "mavi 'marmara" didn't happen, or the stance of Turkish pm on Israel relationships was different...

Yes TLV would likely be much bigger even if politics did not get in the way. Sadly Israeli tourism to Turkey is down significantly.

Here is the details.

Tel Aviv / 75% / 48 vs 52% / JFK, PVG, PEK, BOM, DEL

Quoting tkfan (Reply 62):
do you have the same numbers (O&D vs. transfer, and top destinations) for the German Airports.

Here are a few German airports.

Berlin / 81% / 54 vs 46% / IKA, GYD, BEY, DEL, BOM
Dusseldorf / 83% / 67 vs 33% / AMM, JED, GYD, PVG, DEL
Hamburg / 78% / 50 vs 50% / BEY, MHD, IKA, DEL, TLV
Frankfurt / 84% / 61 vs 39% / TBS, KBL, IKA, GYD, FRU
Munich / 79% / 61 vs 39% / IKA, BEY, GYD, PVG, TLV

Quoting tkfan (Reply 62):
It would be interesting to have the same data for major Hubs like, LHR, CDG, AMS, ZRH, VIE, DXB ect.

Lots of work to collect so many airports, but here are some.

Amsterdam / 78% / 55 vs 45% / JED, MED, KBL, AMM, GYD
Heathrow / 82% / 63 vs 37% / LOS, BOM, BGW, IKA, TBS
Paris / 77% / 54 vs 46% / MED, JED, IKA, AMM, DXB

Might do rest later.



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User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (1 year 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 16366 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 64):

Interesting numbers, I would have thought BKK would rank very high from Germany. Nevertheless nice LF out of Germany and other European cities.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 66, posted (1 year 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 16255 times:

Remember the news that TK might get rid of Comfort Class? How about this?
LH Confirms Premium Eco (by bavair Dec 5 2012 in Civil Aviation)
With the possible new relations between LH and TK, TK might change its mind for the new WB order.


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 16234 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 64):

And what about NUE? That is my home airport...


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 68, posted (1 year 9 months ago) and read 16169 times:

According to a Pakistani Urdu newspaper not online, TK have been granted permission to fly four times weekly to Lahore from January.

User currently offlinetozbek From Turkey, joined Jul 2005, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16111 times:
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New THY advertisement with Kobe and Messi:
http://kokpit.aero/index.php?route=video/video&video_id=380


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16086 times:

Quoting tozbek (Reply 69):
New THY advertisement with Kobe and Messi:
http://kokpit.aero/index.php?route=v...d=380

Wonderful...


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 71, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16067 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 64):
Heathrow / 82% / 63 vs 37% / LOS,

Wow this is kind of strange, isn't it a bit of a detour to fly to Lagos via Istanbul?


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16022 times:

I didn't notice MNL the first time I read the list, but this should help things in Greece, oddly enough, should TK put IST-MNL on the schedule. Currently the only flight from Asia to Greece is Air China, which makes a stop in MUC in both directions.

The situation vis-a-vis Greece-Asia/Pacific is there is not enough service, from the continent as a whole.....but on the other hand, not quite enough for anyone to put a stand-alone flight. 2013 willl be different than 2012. EK has added flights from Australia, so now you have the four largest AU cities connecting into the DXB-ATH trip. Unless they increase capacity, the DXB-ATH portion will sell out much quicker, due to more feed from Australia(which has traditionally a strong connection to Greece).

TG and SQ are now absent from ATH which is going to make it more difficult, combined with less seats out of DXB, for Filipinos. If TK comes through, and puts this on, this will be a useful connection option for those traveling MNL-ATH.


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16014 times:

I see Turkish Cargo has started operating the A310F into Luton 2x a week recently. Any chance of seeing LTN flights with PAX services.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 74, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16053 times:

Here some more of the requested cities.

Dubai / 82% / 36 vs 64% / PRN, SKP, HEL, ARN, CDG
Vienna / 71% / 56 vs 44% / BEY, JED, TBS, PVG, IKA
Zurich / 75% / 57 vs 43% / IKA, ICN, BEY, PVG, GYD

And some more German ones.

Bremen / 80% / 72 vs 28% / IKA, GYD, BEY, AMM, DEL
Cologne / 80% / 68 vs 32% / IKA, GYD, TBZ, MHD, DXB
Hanover / 80% / 55 vs 45% / IKA, BEY, JED, AMM, PEK
Nuremberg / 76% / 55 vs 45% / IKA, DEL, GYD, DXB, TLV
Stuttgart / 81% / 64 vs 36% / TLV, PVG, PEK, IKA, DXB

Quoting tkfan (Reply 65):
Interesting numbers, I would have thought BKK would rank very high from Germany.

BKK on TK seems to be a favorite out of Scandinavia.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 66):
With the possible new relations between LH and TK, TK might change its mind for the new WB order.

I dont see the connection. Its quite normal for partner airlines to offer very different products. Even within the LH Group the products are different between airlines.

Quoting 777way (Reply 68):
According to a Pakistani Urdu newspaper not online, TK have been granted permission to fly four times weekly to Lahore from January.

Great. But amazing how slow and restrictive the Pakistani transportation officials are to grant these rights.

It took TK years to move beyond more 7 weekly frequencies to only KHI.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 71):
Wow this is kind of strange, isn't it a bit of a detour to fly to Lagos via Istanbul?

Believe it or not EK carries people to Lagos via Dubai. For the right $$$, whats a few hours.

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 73):
Any chance of seeing LTN flights with PAX services.

Doubtful. When faced with slot problems at LHR and even LGW, TK recently tried service at STN. Did not work well. Even LGW has been a relative poor performer for TK.

So don't look for cargo to be connected to passenger ops. Cargo goes places the passenger airline does not, and likely never will.



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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 75, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15925 times:

Someone please stop me. I am now holding 15 domestic and 2 intl. tickets on TK, KK and PC using the latest and TRL 78 and EUR 99 promotions etc. It's so cheap that I just can not stop buying  


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User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 76, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15905 times:

For those who are wondering the loads on the new MLE flights: It just took off with 85 pax in total. That is 29% LF. It has been operating with similar loads since it started... I guess it needs some time to mature... The equipment tonight is TC-JNK an Airbus 333 but it has been a mix of 332 and 333 since it began. Average flight time around 07:10 mins...


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User currently offlineboun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15897 times:

I am thrilled to see TK has become a major player in connecting traffic. I am sure with the third airport, things will get even better.
On a different note, Air Europa of Spain has sent A332s to Istanbul couple times last month. Does anybody have an info on this? The flight number is 905, unusual for a technical/non-scheduled trip which tend to have more digit numbers I think.

Thanks


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15829 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 68):
TK have been granted permission to fly four times weekly to Lahore from January.

Finally! Good news if it is true.

Quoting tozbek (Reply 69):
New THY advertisement with Kobe and Messi

I like it!



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15803 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 76):
For those who are wondering the loads on the new MLE flights: It just took off with 85 pax in total. That is 29% LF. It has been operating with similar loads since it started... I guess it needs some time to mature... The equipment tonight is TC-JNK an Airbus 333 but it has been a mix of 332 and 333 since it began. Average flight time around 07:10 mins...

TK needs to promote this in America more. There are people here that go to the Maldives, but it seems like an IST connection would be much easier than what most of these people are currently taking.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 80, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15668 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 76):
For those who are wondering the loads on the new MLE flights: It just took off with 85 pax in total. That is 29% LF

That is low, I wonder if the 739 can do this?
If not how to fix this come summer.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15659 times:

In summer MLE goes down to 3w since it is low season in Maldives. I'd expect loads to improve by Jan but 5w is too much for a holiday spot.

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 82, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15568 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 81):
In summer MLE goes down to 3w since it is low season in Maldives. I'd expect loads to improve by Jan but 5w is too much for a holiday spot.

I think high frequency is important to catch connecting traffic but I think the 330 is a wrong choice here. I initially thought MLE would be a 739 destination to start with...



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User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15496 times:

Thanks for your efforts LAXintl. very interesting data.
I guess the high share of O&D of BRE is due to the short period compared to other German stations? Do you have the same numbers for LEJ?? there is not the usual ethnic traffic I guess.

Other than that, it seems Turkish Airlines has room to increase capacity to its North European and Near Eastern Destinations. GYD, TBS, BEY and IKA gets a lot of connection traffic.


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15446 times:

Put on the destinations wish list:

Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia)
Ndjamena (Tschad)
Kathmandu (Nepal)
Mezar-i-Sarif (Afghanistan)
Juba (South Sudan)
Lenkaran (Azerbeycan)
Friedrichshafen (Germany)


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15447 times:

TK is on a roll... Not long after their last announcements, they have added 7 more destinations to their wishlist...

Add those to:

Abha
Abuja
Al-Qassim
Asmara
Aswan
Atlanta
Boston
Buenos Aires (beginning soon)
Caracas
Colombo
Constanta
Douala (beginning soon)
Esfahan (beginning soon)
Havana
Houston (beginning Spring 13)
Kano
Kermanshah (beginning soon)
Kharkiv
Kilimanjaro (begun)
Krakow
Libreville
Luanda
Luxembourg
Luxor
Malta
Manila
Marseille
Mexico City
Mombasa (begun)
Montreal
Niamey (beginning soon)
Ouagadougou (beginning soon)
Salzburg
San Francisco
Santiago de Compostela (beginning Spring 13)
Tallinn
Vilnius
Yaunde (beginning soon)

[Edited 2012-12-07 07:53:49]

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 86, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15412 times:

I really think Canary Islands, Reykjavik can't be that long after some of these cities...
What happened to Lima, Peru?
or Miami, Detroit?
How about Seattle or Vancouver, Phoenix or Las Vegas one day?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26956 posts, RR: 58
Reply 87, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15408 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 61):
Thanks for clarifying this. Still, like you, I still think TK will fare better on this route, as opposed to AC, regardless.

Indeed having flown the TK product YYZ-IST last year in J it will be hard to compete , I like AC but I certainly would not choose them over TK on this route.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 88, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15381 times:

Good news for THY.

Iberia confirms is cutting Istanbul effective "mid-January"

Says it was unprofitable with "tourist component mainly"

http://grupo.iberia.es/portal/site/g...f8d257b310VgnVCM1000005ffe15acRCRD

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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 89, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15315 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 88):

According to the statistics you provided us with, a bit more than half of all passengers on board Turkish Airlines' flights from Madrid have been O&D. I wonder what impact Iberia's withdrawal will have on Turkish Airlines. Also, what is more likely to happen, a capacity increase or additional frequencies?


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15314 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 89):

TK has already required slots for a 3rd daily frequency in the IST-MAD flight, in addition to more frequencies to BIO, SCQ and VLC.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 91, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15324 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 79):
TK needs to promote this in America more. There are people here that go to the Maldives, but it seems like an IST connection would be much easier than what most of these people are currently taking.

Primary target market for Maldives is Europe - and Northern Europe and UK specifically.
TK has much larger markets to peddle connections to in North America - eg India, Iran, Israel, Levent, etc..

Quoting tkfan (Reply 83):
Do you have the same numbers for LEJ??

I dont have any data on Leipzig.

Quoting tkfan (Reply 83):
I guess the high share of O&D of BRE is due to the short period compared to other German stations?

No idea. Could have to do with timing of flights, local travel agents they deal with, volume of Turks in Bremen etc...

But route only started in May, so couple months of data is probably not very accurate yet.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 89):
what is more likely to happen, a capacity increase or additional frequencies?

I'd say add another frequency.

TK could use an early AM departure from Madrid like 7 or 8am, with late evening return back.



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User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15301 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 88):

Good for TK but bad for us... All IST will be left with is AF/KL/BA/LH/EK/QR very soon.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 93, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15240 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 92):
Good for TK but bad for us... All IST will be left with is AF/KL/BA/LH/EK/QR very soon.

Its called market forces. The strong survive, the weak die.

But anyhow - per TAV, IST has almost 130 tenant airlines.

Add in activity over at SAW, the market in Istanbul is extremely competitive. Just look at TurkishWings in reply 75 talking about the great promotions in the market he is buying.



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User currently offlinebilguun From Mongolia, joined Feb 2010, 1 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 15080 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 84):

If TK announces Yangon, Taipei, Pyongyang, Yerevan, Vientiane, Phnom Penh and Manila then it pretty much covers all over asia.


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15045 times:

Quoting bilguun (Reply 94):
If TK announces Yangon, Taipei, Pyongyang, Yerevan, Vientiane, Phnom Penh and Manila then it pretty much covers all over asia.

Pyongyang - not possible for now. That would not go down well with the US. Yerevan, not until Turkey achieves a solid accord with Armenia. Vientiane - I don't think so as there is very little going on in Laos. Phnom Penh, Manila, Taipei and Yangon are I am sure on their long term plans though.


User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 96, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15010 times:

The Kobe ad is completely idiotic.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 97, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14972 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 88):
Iberia confirms is cutting Istanbul effective "mid-January"

In another thread I mentioned that TK is grabbing market share from others and I was corrected by someone that ALL airlines are doing well, since the size of the pie is getting bigger. (not that TK is stealing a bigger size of the pie).
Here we are; IB is leaving Istanbul, after TK started to fly to 6 destinations in Spain.
LY left Istanbul and guess what city is one of the top cities for TK for transfer pax.
I still believe that TK is stealing market share from all European/ME airlines and this is just a start. I can't even imagine 10 years from now, when TK could triple its WB fleet and double its NB fleet, and operating from a 100million pax+ brand new airport in Istanbul.

http://kokpit.aero/thy-durmuyor
More and more and more destinations from TK


User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 14951 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 74):
Even LGW has been a relative poor performer for TK.

Do you have any data of LGW, since it is quickly increased to double daily and mostly operated by A321.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 99, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14869 times:
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Does someone know what will happen with the slots Iberia used? Can they sell them to Turkish Airlines or is there some regulatory body that needs to approve this?

User currently offlineboun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 14862 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 99):
Does someone know what will happen with the slots Iberia used? Can they sell them to Turkish Airlines or is there some regulatory body that needs to approve this?


I don't know the procedure but have a hunch that Lufthansa might be interested in acquiring them.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 101, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 14826 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 95):
ngyang - not possible for now. That would not go down well with the US.

I dont think the so, airlines are not flying to North Korea bcause there isnt a market except for China and some seasonal tour groups, also I dont think they encorage large scale travel from outsiders or foreign carriers, again China being the exception, with Air China flying there scheduled twice weekly with 737-700 nothing bigger nor more frequent.

[Edited 2012-12-08 05:39:53]

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 102, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14855 times:

Quoting tkfan (Reply 98):
Do you have any data of LGW, since it is quickly increased to double daily and mostly operated by A321.

To give you an idea: The average load factor of this week between IST and LGW

TK 1981: 34%
TK 1997: 64%

The aircraft are almost always Airbus 321.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 103, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14833 times:
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Quoting boun (Reply 100):
I don't know the procedure but have a hunch that Lufthansa might be interested in acquiring them.

Are they interested in adding flights from Munich, Frankfurt or some other German city?

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 102):

What could be the reason there is such a big difference between the two flights?


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14800 times:

Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 84):
Put on the destinations wish list:

Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia)
Ndjamena (Tschad)
Kathmandu (Nepal)
Mezar-i-Sarif (Afghanistan)
Juba (South Sudan)
Lenkaran (Azerbeycan)
Friedrichshafen (Germany)

This is insane... do they have open skies with Germany? Otherwise how many destinations are already serving there? I think Turkey-Spain has a maximum of 8 destinations for each one in the other country under the current bilateral, and TK will already serve 6 from 2013... they might need to revise the bilateral soon under this pace of growth!


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14794 times:

Pyongyang makes economically no sense, and Yerevan is difficult...

Quoting JU068 (Reply 103):
Are they interested in adding flights from Munich, Frankfurt or some other German city?

I know that they are going 12w from dec and 14w from summer to NUE. No idea about other destinations. But examples to CDG and FRA show that 4d are sufficient to serve a big airport with offering the most connections possible.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 104):
bilateral

Do TK really need allowance to fly to Europe? I mean Turkey is inside the European tariff union and has freedom in exporting products and giving services as well. What you are saying would be a big surprise for me.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 106, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14783 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 97):
In another thread I mentioned that TK is grabbing market share from others and I was corrected by someone that ALL airlines are doing well, since the size of the pie is getting bigger. (not that TK is stealing a bigger size of the pie).

Well its true the pie is growing. Look at the huge increase in travel by Turks and the growth of the middle class in Turkey.

Related on the A.net front page there is a thread about IATA forecasting global demand rising 28% over 6-years. Quite significant.

But to gauge THY specifically vis-a-vis the pie lets look at its market share in Turkey.

For the first 9-months of 2012 TK will carried 47% of international and 50% of domestic passengers.

In 2010 it was 54% international and 57% domestic

And in 2007 was 57% international 66% domestic.

This basically means regardless of how fast THY is growing, the pie is growing even faster, and TK is actually losing market share.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 97):
LY left Istanbul and guess what city is one of the top cities for TK for transfer pax.

Main reason LY left IST and AYT was a security issue - difficulty for their armed staff to work in Turkey.

(remember they previously suspended Turkey flights briefly due to security as well)

Quoting tkfan (Reply 98):
Do you have any data of LGW, since it is quickly increased to double daily and mostly operated by A321.

Yes, I'll get it for you at another time. Dont have access to all my documents at the moment.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 99):
Does someone know what will happen with the slots Iberia used? Can they sell them to Turkish Airlines or is there some regulatory body that needs to approve this?

Unused slots revert to the civil aviation authority. IST is not like LHR where there is a active secondary slot sales market.



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User currently offlineboun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14731 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 103):
Are they interested in adding flights from Munich, Frankfurt or some other German city?

I remember reading an article about their intentions to send wide body aircraft to IST or open flights to SAW if they were not able to secure additional slots. The market between FRA and IST (possibly MUC and IST) can easily support a fourth daily flight by LH given the amount of connecting traffic (in addition to O&D pax)

IB 3313 departs from Istanbul at 16h25. Got to check LH&TK schedule to see if a departure around that time works for LH.

[Edited 2012-12-08 08:58:32]

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14637 times:

Quoting boun (Reply 107):
I remember reading an article about their intentions to send wide body aircraft to IST or open flights to SAW if they were not able to secure additional slots. The market between FRA and IST (possibly MUC and IST) can easily support a fourth daily flight by LH given the amount of connecting traffic (in addition to O&D pax)

IB 3313 departs from Istanbul at 16h25. Got to check LH&TK schedule to see if a departure around that time works for LH.

I don't think LH is in a hurry to add flights to IST - if the partnership talks that have been circulating lately ends in a JV, they will be sharing revenue anyway. TK can get slots much easier in that case. BA would be more obvious, given the high LF between LHR-IST.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 104):
This is insane... do they have open skies with Germany?

Indeed they do. AFAIK no limitation on number of destinations or frequencies. That surely pisses off EK or EY I am sure.

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 102):
TK 1981: 34%
TK 1997: 64%

That is bad... TK 1981 is way too early (7:30am?) to get much feed I guess. TK 1997 leaves past noon.

About the shrinking list of tenants at IST; apart from BA, are there any Oneworld members left at IST? Does RJ still fly to IST? Even Skyteam has 8-9 airlines flying here.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 109, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14593 times:
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Quoting boun (Reply 107):

Well, the market is definitely there, I guess soon we will know what will happen. Currently there are no flights to Frankfurt at around that time, there is to Munich.


User currently offlineLatinThug From Portugal, joined Jan 2007, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14565 times:

Can I have the TK stats from LIS please ?

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 111, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14542 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 108):
That is bad... TK 1981 is way too early (7:30am?) to get much feed I guess. TK 1997 leaves past noon.

The in-bounds are a little better but then it is the low season now... Even LHR traffic id slow (up to 5 times daily and 2 of which are wide body aircraft). The first LGW flight is too early for O&D but it meets almost all Far East + Central Asia and Middle Eastern flights. I would have expected the first flight to have better occupancy.

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 108):
Does RJ still fly to IST?

RJ still flies to IST twice daily with a mixture of E 175 and 195. On another interesting note about AMM: The flight now takes almost 2:20 wheels up/down. It used to be around 1:50 before the closure of Syrian airspace.



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14516 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 104):
This is insane... do they have open skies with Germany? Otherwise how many destinations are already serving there? I think Turkey-Spain has a maximum of 8 destinations for each one in the other country under the current bilateral, and TK will already serve 6 from 2013... they might need to revise the bilateral soon under this pace of growth!

Curious how many of these LH code-shares on.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 96):
The Kobe ad is completely idiotic.

Yes, it is.....without question......

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 91):
Primary target market for Maldives is Europe - and Northern Europe and UK specifically.
TK has much larger markets to peddle connections to in North America - eg India, Iran, Israel, Levent, etc..

Certainly quite a few of these. Iran, especially, with connections to other places besides Tehran. Still, TK could get a few more Maldives-bound US passengers away from their competition.


User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2423 posts, RR: 4
Reply 113, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14363 times:

I need help from our Turkish Community, regarding SKY AIRLINES.

Any idea what's going on- are the close to end operations?

German Sky Airlines, there sister carrier, folded ops on Dec 1st- returning their a/c's. After having returned their 2 ANA A320's, Sky Airlines seems to have also returned at least 2 of their B738- on top of the grounding of some of their B734's (I haven't seen TC-SKD for ages-any idea what happened to this plane?).

So, this seems much more worsening than just the usual winter scale back, doesn't it!?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 114, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14315 times:

-I was in TK1 IST-JFK yesterday. Our plane was -JJJ "Erzurum", in great shape.
-Business and Economy were full. 25 out of 68 Comfort seats were sold when I checked in. By the way, "Comfort" has its own check in now, I saw that both in LAX and IST. Then, pax with small children were given seats in Y+. Maybe Y was overbooked. But still not a full Comfort class.
-LAX boarding was very organized, but yesterday again in IST no announcements, pretty much people get up and form a line...
-Being a Saturday flight, many old people and many, many kids...
-We had wifi, liveTV ( no more LigTV), my personal LED light fixture was broken, I emailed the TK facebook page and got a response just after I landed, that it will be fixed when they can, Pretty cool.
-Since Y+ was not full, the service was great. I got extra everything.
This was my 6th Comfort class flight this year, I guess I am not going back to DL  


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 115, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14224 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 114):
This was my 6th Comfort class flight this year, I guess I am not going back to DL  

Until Comfort disappears that is  

I know TK has its own problems but having flown both DL and TK (in Y) there really is no comparison in hard product amd foos at least...



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 116, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14144 times:

Per request.

Gatwick / 75% / 63 vs 37% / IKA, BOM, ISU, KRT, EBL
Lisbon / 72% / 49 vs 51% / DXB, BEY, IKA, TLV, PVG



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User currently offlineboun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14071 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 115):
I know TK has its own problems but having flown both DL and TK (in Y) there really is no comparison in hard product amd foos at least

What about the United product? The route has been there for almost 6 months now. Are they happy with their LF, more importantly the yields?


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14044 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 116):

Hi dear friend,

I want to challenge and ask you what about BCN/MAD  



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 119, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13965 times:
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Quoting Steelyman (Reply 118):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):
Barcelona / 70% / 55 vs 45% / DEL, BEY, ICN, IKA, DXB
Madrid / 69% / 54 vs 46% / BEY, DEL, ICN, IKA, PEK


User currently offlineSteelyman From Andorra, joined Feb 2007, 118 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13914 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 119):

Thanks for the reply.
May I ask source of it? I can confirm all these are potential selling destinations from Spain, however most of them are not even in top 15... for instance we can miss following ones which TK is competitive in terms of elapse time and price SHA/BOM/DAC/ISB



BRGDS, Mike
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 121, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13860 times:

No Pakistani city connecting to BCN with TK, strange.

User currently offlinecuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 13747 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 113):
I need help from our Turkish Community, regarding SKY AIRLINES.

Any idea what's going on- are the close to end operations?

Well, with Sky you never know. For years people have said that Sky Airlines will fold, but until now they have always survived. The company seems to have more lives than a cat.

That being said, I also believe that Sky Airlines will shut down operations this year. Besides the reason you have been mentioning about German Sky Airlines and the return of two A320's; here are some additional facts:

- Sky lost about 20-25 million dollars on their domestic operation venture last year.
- Sky lost 5 major contracts with tour operators in Germany (which has always been their main market).
- Most of the Sky Airplanes are on the ground in Antalya (maximum a couple of flights per day).
- Except for the old B737's, the leasing cost of the remaining fleet is between 250.000 to 350.000 Euro per month.
- Their only remaining hotel Adam & Eve is up for sale.
- The crews and the hotel emplyees has not received their salaries for the last 5 month.
- The crew received only half salary during many of the summer month.
- A lot of their assets (buildings, buses ect) belongs to a certain percent to the banks.

Time will tell, but personally I think the end for Sky Airlines is very near. I don't expect them to operate another summer.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 123, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13563 times:

Thanks to "tozbek" site, TK inks the 15+5 77W deal;
http://kokpit.aero/thy-anlasma-kesinlestirdi


User currently offlinedancrane From Italy, joined Aug 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13546 times:

LAX, can You kindly post data from/to italian market please? Would be interesting to see them. Thanks a lot!

User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13481 times:

Quote:
Boeing 777-300ER, üç sınıflı kabin könfigürasyonunda, 386 yolcu taşırken



I am curious,is this misinformation/typo or true. If it is true we may see a 10 abreast 777 which will be pain for me...


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 126, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13428 times:

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 120):
May I ask source of it?

Its a 12-month data dump of network flow connections. From markets pairs that generate 1,000's of annual connections down to ones that generate barely have 10 per year.

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 120):
I can confirm all these are potential selling destinations from Spain, however most of them are not even in top 15... for instance we can miss following ones which TK is competitive in terms of elapse time and price SHA/BOM/DAC/ISB

I'm quite certain as to the validity of the data as this is the same info the airline basically has - they generate the numbers after all. Your mentioned cities are on the list, but they did not produce the raw numbers as high as the top-5 I listed.

Also keep in mind - the flows data is bidirectional. So MAD-IKA is the same as IKA-MAD and would include sales in Spain, Iran and 3rd locations. The statistics are not simple point of sale data, but instead traffic flow.

Quoting dancrane (Reply 124):
LAX, can You kindly post data from/to italian market please? Would be interesting to see them. Thanks a lot!

Rome / 72% / 49 vs 51% / ICN, IKA, SIN, GYD, BOM
Milan / 73% / 65 vs 35% / IKA, DEL, PVG, AMM, GYD
Venice / 70% / 50 vs 50% / PVG, DEL, DAC, IKA, ICN

I can look up others later.



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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 127, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13417 times:

refering to TurkishWings, TK787 and Leftyborder's posts to the recently started MLE ops I just read in Ugus Cebeci's article (thanks tozbek!) that they are going to add a tag-on to CMB which in my oppinion makes perfectly sense. As mentioned the 330 is - for the time being - a bit too much. The 739 is also quite useful, but is probably used elsewhere with higher margins.


Btw. I was onboard TC-JNR / A330-300 yesterday enroute FRA-IST and want to share some details.

- the aircraft is not even 1 year old, but already shows signs of heavy usage. I was sitting in the rear part of Eco and could easily count more than 10 seats which were in a bad shape (cushion cuts/scratches, magazin holder hanging around, stains, etc). of course, I can not blame TK, because the people using those seats are doing this; however, it was a very bad experience since I expected a spotless "brand new" aircraft.
- we were sitting inside the aircraft waiting for de-icing on position for almost three (3!!!) hours. the snow overnight hit FRA very badly. only one little announcement by the captain without much details and English not really understandable. beverages were brought by the crew only on request. they seemed quite neutral, not overall friendly, but also not rude - just going back and fourth to the galley to bring stuff. luckily the IFE was turned on so the people were watching movies, playing around or just doze off.
- IFE is a great feature and TK is developing in this area. only the variety is lacking at the moment. Internet was not active and the fleet infos out of date (TC-JNR not even showing as part of the fleet).
- received for the I don't know how many time the same choice of chicken-beef or pasta. it's really getting boring and on top of it the quality as well as the quantities are not the same as it used to be before. Pity! since there are really some people who just choose TK because of their food
- the lav's were terrible. didn't see such stinky and badly cleaned lav's for a long time. the icing of the cake was that this was right at the beginning of the flight - I went to the loo during boring, but ignored it afterwards for the entire flight
- purserette with good announcements (I think that intercont crews have better English, please correct me if I'm wrong?!?!) and one single flightattendent who even spoke German fluently. the others as usual...


User currently offlinedancrane From Italy, joined Aug 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13377 times:

Thanks once again LAX

User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13295 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
-TK to open 33 new routes in 2013; and here is a wish list from TK (thanks to Leftyboarder) please correct if wrong!

Think we can add Rotterdam as the 34th destination then.
Turkish airlines has allocated slots for RTM for the forthcomming summer. According to info so far it should be daily rotation from IST in de afternoon.
Wondering if there is any additional info available at the Turkish side of the forum?  

[Edited 2012-12-10 12:24:12]

User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2612 posts, RR: 6
Reply 130, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13236 times:
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Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 129):

What kind of market are they after in Rotterdam?


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13164 times:

Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 129):
Turkish airlines has allocated slots for RTM for the forthcomming summer. According to info so far it should be daily rotation from IST in de afternoon.

I'm praying for this one since the last announcement few years ago (^_^')

Quoting JU068 (Reply 130):
What kind of market are they after in Rotterdam?

The same market Lufthansa and British Airways are aiming at? To attract business travelers to and from the Dutch mainport, Port of Rotterdam. There is also a "large" Turkish community in Rotterdam and area, which can provide some O&D passengers.



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User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2423 posts, RR: 4
Reply 132, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13144 times:

Quoting cuban8 (Reply 122):
ime will tell, but personally I think the end for Sky Airlines is very near.

Seems indeed very dramatic- btw. I thought one B737 or A320 is wet-lsd to another Turkish operator?


User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13122 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 130):
What kind of market are they after in Rotterdam?

some correct answers are already given by TK1244.
The combined Rotterdam - the Hague metro area is home approx 5 million people. That is a lot of potential O&D traffic. and these flights will also feed the growing TK-nework from IST.
It would make sense to fly to RTM instead of adding capacity to AMS.


User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 134, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13079 times:

Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 133):
It would make sense to fly to RTM instead of adding capacity to AMS.

It seems AMS will get additional frequencies to SAW in SFP13


User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12950 times:

Quoting tkfan (Reply 134):
It seems AMS will get additional frequencies to SAW in SFP13

Good news.
HV has announced they will start a 4 x weekly service RTM-SAW SFP13 maybe due to the fact that TK also had intentions of starting this route previous summer, but now the plans seems to have changed and TK will now probably fly out of IST to RTM, but it would be delightfull if someone can conrfirm this from the Turkish side (otherwise we would have to wait the official press announcement)
I guess there will be some good competition on the routes from both AMS and RTM 


User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2423 posts, RR: 4
Reply 136, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12941 times:

   I have one big problem with TK and need your help guys...

I am looking for a flight to IST on TK and found this:

30. Januar 2013 11:40 Frankfurt 15:40 Istanbul Turkish Airlines TK1588 Airbus Industrie A330-300

but entering the passenger details, the seat selaction shows: TK1588 BOEING B737-800

Same problem also with other airports, like DUS etc.! Flight information A330-300, but seatmap either of A321 or B738.

Any idea why?  


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 137, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12872 times:

TK, together with Do&Co, to open its own lounge in Moscow May 2013
http://kokpit.aero/thy-ozel-yolcu-salonu (in Turkish)


User currently offlineTurkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12867 times:

IB closing route from MAD-IST from 12JAN13 (source airlineroute). I once read here that IB has a higher LF on that route than TK. I guess this is one of the reasons why TK wants to open a 3rd daily to MAD.

User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 139, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 136):

TK1588 is usually operated with widebody or atleast 321 due to a high amount of pax AND cargo. Have a look here: http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/tk1588

Nevertheless, only the day before you'll actually know which aircraft will give you the honours. They swap quite frequently...


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 140, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12683 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 137):

About time... They need to do this at all longhaul stations (JFK, LAX, HKG, NRT, SIN, PEK to begin with) and LHR, CDG, AMS, MUC, FRA at least in the near term.


User currently offlineradiopolitic From Canada, joined Jan 2009, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12499 times:

http://atwonline.com/airports-routes...lines-african-network-expands-1211

A second destination in Somalia coming up?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 142, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12387 times:

Here is the behind the scenes video for the Kobe/Messi TK video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_uuwbOkdzSA
Looks like they used TC-JNL "Trabzon" 333 for part of the spot, the rest was a stage job on a mock up.

By the way, I saw it twice now on National TV during prime time. Even the guy working at my local bank branch in NYC asked me questions about it. TK is spending a lot of money broadcasting it


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 143, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12273 times:

Cross posting from Indian Aviation thread:

I was hoping that Turkish Airlines would add MAA by 2013. TK is being smart by supporting AI as it can only help it get more bilateral rights.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...tinations/articleshow/17579240.cms

Quote:
Turkey's national carrier Turkish Airlines plans to double flights between Delhi and Istanbul and add Hyderabad and Kolkata as new destinations next year, its chief executive, Temel Kotil, told ET.

"We will expand into 250 destinations by next year and offer more connectivity to Indians," Kotil said. "We've better connections than Gulf carriers and have 85% loads from India. This is much more than our network-wide average of 77%."

AI related:
"Air India is in good shape and has a good service quality. We, as Turkish Airlines, support them and are ready to help the AI management in our capacity to join us (Star Alliance). We are also ready to work with them to extend code-shares beyond Istanbul," Kotil said.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 144, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12190 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 142):
Here is the behind the scenes video for the Kobe/Messi TK video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_uuwbOkdzSA
Looks like they used TC-JNL "Trabzon" 333 for part of the spot, the rest was a stage job on a mock up.

By the way, I saw it twice now on National TV during prime time. Even the guy working at my local bank branch in NYC asked me questions about it. TK is spending a lot of money broadcasting it

And I just checked, it got 36 million plus hits on youtube in 6 days. Really??


User currently offlinewingedtaurus From Mexico, joined Mar 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12082 times:

Common TK make IST-MEX happen!

User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 146, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11803 times:

TK787;

I really liked the new ad. It is much better than the previous one.



http://www.socialbakers.com/youtube-statistics/tag/airlines/


[Edited 2012-12-13 04:17:57]

User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11235 times:

As is customary around this time of the month (towards the end of the second week of the month that is), TK has released monthly figures.

For Jan-Nov,

Pax is up 19.5% from 30.1m to 35.9m
LF is up 5.2 from 72.7 to 77.9
ASK is up 18.2% from 74.4 bn to 87.9bn
RPK is up 26.6% from 54.1bn to 68.4bn

They are on target for 39m pax for the whole year. And if not this year, we surely will be seeing 12 month rolling ASK figure exceed 100bn by March or April 2013.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 148, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11249 times:

Here is an in debt analysis about ME carries, including TK;
http://www.ch-aviation.ch/blog/?p=169


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 149, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11192 times:

Also, I don't know about you guys, but for the first time I see TK ads (Wingo...) on this site below the banner.

Quoting TK787 (Reply 153):
in debt

I meant ,"in-depth".


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11147 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 154):

Also, I don't know about you guys, but for the first time I see TK ads (Wingo...) on this site below the banner.

They are using IP-based advertising, hence only local ads. I see Banvit right now  


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 151, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11134 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 155):
They are using IP-based advertising, hence only local ads.

I know but I've never seen this in the US before.

Also, another site with the same transfer pax numbers;
http://kokpit.aero/thy-transit-yolcu


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 152, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11198 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 156):
I know but I've never seen this in the US before.

Also, another site with the same transfer pax numbers;
http://kokpit.aero/thy-transit-yolcu

That is outright plagiarism..


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 153, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11177 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 157):
That is outright plagiarism..

And the person who writes this article is a member here. Veeery surprising indeed !!!



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User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 154, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 158):

Yes, and I bet you the author of the first link is a member too 

He footprinted the aricle; source: kokpit.aero

[Edited 2012-12-14 07:08:05]


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User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 155, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11159 times:

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 158):

He is "tozbek". Journalist with Uğur Cebeci.

It is very interesting that even he mentioned that the source is www.kokpit.aero

Never trust journalists  


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 11149 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 149):
Also, I don't know about you guys, but for the first time I see TK ads (Wingo...) on this site below the banner.

I'm seeing the Wingo ads on almost every site now... need to stop searching "Turkish Airlines" on google :P



"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
User currently offlineboun From Turkey, joined Nov 2012, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11032 times:

Quoting emrecan (Reply 155):
Never trust journalists  

good one  

I must thank TK787 for the information he shared with us and I am sorry about the articles with no credit given to you or to this website (if that will make you feel better somehow)

On a different note, TK used to fly CDG, MXP from Bodrum before (for a summer I think). This made me think. With the recent moves to relieve IST traffic are there any plans to reinstate flights from ADB, ESB to DUS, CDG etc? Maybe they could use the last flights of the day for another rotation like their recent announcement with Adana-Stuttgart


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 158, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10899 times:

Oh well. I guess it means we must be doing something interesting here for people to so obviously copy.

But the funny part for me is this info is hardly secret. Every airline tracks this information (on even more detailed) basis about its competitors to keep on eye on market share and fares generated. There is even a huge industry of companies that sell this information including industry trade group IATA.

Anyhow, I think we should have some fun start posting some false information here and see which people are guilible or desperate enough to latch on.

And speaking of new destinations for THY - any idea when they will propose service to the moon?

After all Pan Am did so in 1964 and collect 93,000 people on a waiting list.
Pan Am To The Moon (by LatinPlane May 26 2010 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineankaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10858 times:

Quoting boun (Reply 157):

TK already serves to following destinations from ESB throughout the year;

AMSTERDAM, BRUSSELS, DUSSELDORF, COLOGNE/BONN, VIENNA, TEHRAN, MOSCOW, BAGHDAD,

TK serves the following destinations from ESB between April and November;

BERLIN, COPENHAGEN, HAMBURG, HANNOVER, STOCKHOLM, STUTTGART, NANTES ATLANTIQUE, MUNICH (TK metal)

TK serves MUNICH on a code-share basis with LH from ESB (2xDaily) as well.

Of course more destinations are always expected and in priority as follows

LONDON (particularly LHR), CDG, FRA, ZRH, JFK, FCO, TRIPOLI, AMM, GYD, TEBRIZ, KIEV, ERBIL, KABUL


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 914 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10844 times:

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 159):

Wouldn't it make sense for TK to do a (mainly) short/mid-haul secondary hub (like DUS for LH) in ESB or even SAW?. It looks like the new airport in IST will take ages to the built and they cannot keep continue the pace of growth in the current Ataturk.

It could eventually carry some Europe-Middle East/Central Asia traffic, and IST could grow in intercontinental.


User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 161, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10808 times:

Quoting emrecan (Reply 155):

I exactly know who he is Iwas talking about the first article... I know tozbek from anet and I follow him on twitter. i despise cebeci for many reasons, I see he is following hos footsteps...



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User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10641 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 160):
Wouldn't it make sense for TK to do a (mainly) short/mid-haul secondary hub (like DUS for LH) in ESB or even SAW?. It looks like the new airport in IST will take ages to the built and they cannot keep continue the pace of growth in the current Ataturk. It could eventually carry some Europe-Middle East/Central Asia traffic, and IST could grow in intercontinental.

We do get a lot of business travel here in seattle, mostly related to Boeing, that originates in ESB. We have TK buying passenger planes, and also the Turkish Air Force, constantly here for training.

Having ESB to a New York airport or Dulles would make sense. Even ADB-JFK for the summer season would make sense.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4428 posts, RR: 12
Reply 163, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10613 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 162):
We do get a lot of business travel here in seattle, mostly related to Boeing, that originates in ESB. We have TK buying passenger planes, and also the Turkish Air Force, constantly here for training.

Having ESB to a New York airport or Dulles would make sense. Even ADB-JFK for the summer season would make sense.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 158):
And speaking of new destinations for THY - any idea when they will propose service to the moon?

Moon? Not in my lifetime I am afraid.
On the other hand, since we are talking about far and away places (I am not including all and every city that has been rumored/mentioned so far like HAV, SFO, MIA, Lima Peru...); my list;

-Reykjavik
-Tenerife
-Seattle or Vancouver
-Las Vegas or Phoenix
-San Juan, PR or San Jose, Costa Rica or Montevideo (after yesterdays bilateral singing)
-Yerevan


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 164, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10608 times:

LAXintl, any data for Kabul? more so now with the A333 flying there twice weekly.