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IL76 Crash Brazzaville; 30 Feared Dead  
User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12432 posts, RR: 37
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14482 times:

At least 30 are feared dead after an IL76 overran the runway at Brazzaville, hitting 15 houses and then, running into a ravine and catching fire.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n.../121130/congo-plane-crash-kills-20

Developing story; reports still coming in and sketchy.

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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14349 times:

Horrible news. How far off the runway did it go? It seems like it must've gone pretty far to hit 15 houses!

R.I.P. to all those lost and/or have lost loved-ones in this tragedy.


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13768 times:

Looking at satellite images of the airfield, it seems like they must have been landing on 23R. It looks like there is a neighborhood off the end of the runway, followed by a strip of vegetation that could be a ravine, then another cluster of buildings beyond the ravine...


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User currently offlineKC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13723 times:

Third world aviation strikes again. Condolences of course to those who lost their family members in this accident.

User currently offlinecloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 13723 times:

Flying in Africa is always an adventure, especially with old Soviet airframes like the IL-76. That aircraft has a weird approach...


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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12911 times:

Operator is locally based Aero-Service. Domestic flight inbound from PNR, landing in a thunderstorm.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20121130-0

Possible aircraft is EK-76300 c/n 073410300 built 1979, which belongs to Air Highnesses based in SHJ but on the Armenian register.



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6321 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12528 times:

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 4):

Flying in Africa is always an adventure, especially with old Soviet airframes like the IL-76. That aircraft has a weird approach...

It is best not to categorize Africa as one entity when it comes to aviation safety...


User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12328 times:

SW733, statistics speak for themselves: Africa has the worst aviation record of any ICAO region
Report from June 4th, 2012: http://wolfganghthome.wordpress.com/...ocus-on-aviation-safety-in-africa/


User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12059 times:

RIP to all who perished!!

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 7):
SW733, statistics speak for themselves: Africa has the worst aviation record of any ICAO region
Report from June 4th, 2012: http://wolfganghthome.wordpress.com/...rica/

Well, any generalization is probably just that, generalization. That said, our African governments MUST take collective action to put a stop to these needless carnages. Until they do that, we will be the laughing stock of the World and of A.net too.


User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11576 times:

He should have said Central Africa. Then nobody could complain about his statement.


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlinebeiaard From United States of America, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11498 times:

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 7):
SW733, statistics speak for themselves: Africa has the worst aviation record of any ICAO region
Report from June 4th, 2012: http://wolfganghthome.wordpress.com/...rica/

That's sort of like saying that since the UK, Germany, and France have are major players in the global economy, Moldova is too, since they're on the same continent. Africa is a variegated continent - I would trust SAA much more than some of the other airlines therein.



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User currently offlinebond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5413 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11376 times:

Quoting beiaard (Reply 10):
That's sort of like saying that since the UK, Germany, and France have are major players in the global economy, Moldova is too, since they're on the same continent. Africa is a variegated continent - I would trust SAA much more than some of the other airlines therein.

No, it's not "sort of like saying" that!

It's like saying that if Europe is a major player in the global economy, then Moldova is included, since it's part of Europe.

If the statistics are such that Africa has the worse aviation record, in terms of crashes, then of course that includes all countries in the continent.

Yes, a generalization for sure .... but not incorrect (if it's a fact!).

Jimbo



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User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 881 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 8599 times:

Quoting beiaard (Reply 10):
That's sort of like saying that since the UK, Germany, and France have are major players in the global economy, Moldova is too, since they're on the same continent.

But Air Moldova is an excellent airline. I flew with their EM190 and even EM120: great service, knowing their technical staff, the maintenance of the aircraft is perfect. And Chisinau airport is very modern, clean and efficient!


User currently offlinevio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1414 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Quoting beiaard (Reply 10):

I wonder why you used Moldova as a comparison. Have you got some inside knowledge of the aviation industry there? That's a pretty cheap shot at a country with a long history of aviation... If you make such statements, please back them up with facts and links.

Thank you



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 7225 times:

Sad tragedy.

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 8):
Well, any generalization is probably just that, generalization. That said, our African governments MUST take collective action to put a stop to these needless carnages. Until they do that, we will be the laughing stock of the World and of A.net too.

As tragic as these crashes are, far worse things happen daily in these regions unfortunately, and should be dealt with first. In fact the violence on the ground is the reason many things and people fly to begin with.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 7078 times:

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 12):
But Air Moldova is an excellent airline. I flew with their EM190 and even EM120: great service, knowing their technical staff, the maintenance of the aircraft is perfect. And Chisinau airport is very modern, clean and efficient!
Quoting vio (Reply 13):
I wonder why you used Moldova as a comparison. Have you got some inside knowledge of the aviation industry there? That's a pretty cheap shot at a country with a long history of aviation... If you make such statements, please back them up with facts and links.

If you actually read what he said before your kneejerk reactions you will see that he was not comparing Moldova's aviation industry with the UK, Germany, and France, he was comparing their economies. He is not bashing Moldova...he is just making a valid point.


Anyways hope the death toll doesn't go up any more.


User currently offlineasctty From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 16 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

It is indeed a tragic accident. Most of those posting here are preempting the outcome of any crash investigation whilst generalising about the state of African airlines.
Wait for the facts first please.


User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

Quoting asctty (Reply 16):
It is indeed a tragic accident. Most of those posting here are preempting the outcome of any crash investigation whilst generalising about the state of African airlines.
Wait for the facts first please.

There are no more facts needed to emphasize the dangers of flying in Central Africa.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlinesshd From Spain, joined May 2011, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Terrible news...seems they tried a go-around and they didn't make it. METARs at the time of the crash don't look good:

FCBB 301700Z 12007KT 050V170 4000 TSRA FEW010 BKN016 FEW026CB 24/22 Q1009 NOSIG
FCBB 301600Z 21013KT 6000 TS FEW010 BKN020 FEW030CB 30/23 Q1006 BECMG 06015G25KT 4000 TSRA

Some photos and more info at: http://avherald.com/h?article=459df3ac&opt=0


User currently offlineTbone354 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 2917 times:
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