727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5715 posts, RR: 20 Posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7038 times:
I read in a recent thread that @AA, the 738 has now passed the MD-80 in numbers. With the former fleet growing as the latter fleet kept decreasing, it was only a matter of time. (sad face for me, I know others will disagree)
So what are the actual numbers for each at this point?
How many 738 were there before this new batch started coming in?
What was last reg delivered of original batch?
What was first reg delivered of new batch?
Are there even any MD-80s left @ ORD?
jporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 358 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6991 times:
I believe there were 76 738s in the fleet before the new batch.
N978AN was the last reg. of the original batch.
N979AN was the first reg. of the new batch (which first started being delivered in 2009).
These are the routes that AA flies from ORD with MD-80 series a/c: AUS, DCA, DFW (all MD-80s), DEN, LAS (all MD-80s), LAX, LGA, MCI, MCO, MSP, PBI, PHL, PHX, PSP, PVR, RDU, RSW, SJD, STL, TPA, TUS
I was surprised to see so many, considering that 738/MD-80 ratio is quickly increasing!
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 5, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6752 times:
The 738 and A319 allow AA to fly anywhere in the USA from anywhere in the USA (continental) with better efficiency than the MD80, so it's a no brainer that they are going away fast. Personally, I like the quietness of the MD80, but as a tall person who likes the window seat, I don't like the MD80 at the window, and if I ever fly first class, the 18.5" seats don't feel very first class. Traveling as a couple, the 2-3 config is fine, but I have a choice of window cramps or aisle seat where the cart rams into me.
I think the MD80s time has come...
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Interesting. As another tall person, my experience is that the 738 leaves a lot, that the Super 80 doesn't, to be desired. I know their departure is inexorable, so all I can say is it will be a good day for AA when the first Airbus arrives.
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ORD-LGA is no longer all MD-80, and neither is DFW-LGA. Three months ago, I flew on a 738 from ORD to LGA and I was disappointed. Simply because I was expecting an MD-80. It was a 737, as scheduled, I knew that upon booking on aa.com, I was already disappointed it was a 737 just on that particular flight I was on. I told the F/A I was unpleasantly surprised to see a 737 on that route, she told me that ORD-LGA-ORD was now seeing more 737s.
STL-MIA always was all 757 (2x daily). MIA has not seen the Super 80 since the late 90s. But yes, with the exception of MIA, all AA routes out of STL do see the MD-80 at least 1x daily if not more. Until recently, STL was MD-80 heaven like DFW, but of course STL is not as big as DFW is.
And fly on them before it's too late! DFW still sees a lot of them.
I said I was disappointed when I flew ORD-LGA because it was a 737 as opposed to an MD-80, but never mind, two weeks later I flew on an MD-80 from EWR to DFW and back.
The whole point of this topic is how many 737s American has versus how many MD-80s they have, but at some point if you keep counting the 737s you will have to subtract 75 from the total number of 737s. Because those are older than the rest of the fleet. By the time the last MD-80 leaves, the 737 retirement will have begun. I do agree, however, that the ratio keeps increasing because when the 737 retirement will begin, only a few MD-80s will be left.
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TrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2097 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6092 times:
The inevitable changing of the guard or handing of the baton.
Although DL has a greater McDonnell Douglas history, AA's relationship with the MD-80 line is iconic. As we marvel at some of the massive narrow-body orders in recent memory, we forget that the AA MD-80 fleet was first +250 and later +300 size fleet in airline history.
With personal ties to the MD-80, I'm fortunate that all these years later, with business and personal travel, I'm guaranteed 6-10 legs annually.
Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter): read in a recent thread that @AA, the 738 has now passed the MD-80 in numbers. With the former fleet growing as the latter fleet kept decreasing, it was only a matter of time.
FWIW, according to planespotters both the 738 and MD-80 are equal in active numbers at 192. Regardless, I think we can consider the winter 2012/2013 year as the turning point.
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3032 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4492 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 11):
I dont think that's quite true, the MD-80s should be gone by 2017. AA started getting 738 in 1999.
I'm somewhat skeptical of that too. Considering AA still has a number of active MD80s built in the mid 80s, I'm somewhat skeptical that they'll be getting rid of 738s that will be in their mid to late teens at the oldest.
Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 14): FWIW, according to planespotters both the 738 and MD-80 are equal in active numbers at 192.
Looks like airfleets shows 186 MD80s and 191 738s. It's probably safe to say the fleets are roughly equal at this point.
delta88 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4323 times:
AA also does ORD-SAT on the MD-80 San Antonio is one of the MD-80s best homes, an 8000 foot runway, kinda hot and a little high, perfect for the MD-80s, Delta and AA both fly them to SAT, However i think in the future AA will replace them with the A319 or B738 But just thought id Mention one of the longer routes!
American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 21, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4145 times:
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 17): I assume you're talking about highest MD-80 frequency, correct?
If he is talking about the highest MD-80 frequency then yes, he is correct. DFW-ORD runs 20x daily or so and all are MD-80s. For a while there was one flight that was a 777, it was meant for repositioning, but I don't think they still fly the 777 on that route. With the exception of that 777 flight, which used to be an MD-11 back in the 90s, all DFW-ORD-DFW flights have been MD-80s for now 20 years.
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ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4650 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3768 times:
I've noticed over the past couple of years that some routes have gotten 738s, and then lost them. ORD-PHX, ORD-LAS, and ORD-TPA have been partially or completely 738 at some point, but they are now all MD-80.
Why does AA do that? Considering that all of these routes skew towards leisure and aren't short hops, one would think that AA would want a more economical aircraft.