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S-UA Aircraft On EWR-Florida: The New Snowbird?  
User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

My obsession with s-UA adds at EWR continues. This time I've noticed that there has been a large influx of s-UA birds to Florida from EWR and less to the west coast. Tomorrow for instance s-UA is flying 757 4x to MCO, 3x to MIA, and 2x to FLL. And during the week it seems EWR-PBI is now getting 320s, EWR-TPA gets 757, and later this month EWR-RSW will get 32S as well. TPA gets A320s from EWR nearly every day.

I guess my question is are these the new winter snowbirds (s-UA A320/757) on the busy EWR-Florida coordinator? Any idea where the s-CO 757s are going that are disappearing from these former routes? Also notice that some s-CO 757 are now heavily flying EWR-SFO/LAX/DEN with s-UA only down to 1x daily (most days). It seems the s-UA 757s are gone from EWR-LAS/SAN/SNA/SEA for the time being but still seeing them on EWR-BOS and PDX on most days, in addition to the other hubs and Florida.


"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6565 times:

I know EWR-MIA was getting a 753 on the morning (8am) rotation last time I checked. I don't know if that has changed since then. Also, I believe the EWR-SNA route is now 2x 737 in addition to the a319.

Some other routes that s-UA aircraft are flying today (Nov. 30th):

EWR-SXM is an a320
EWR-PHX is 2x a320 and a 739
EWR-IAD has a daily E-170 now (previously all E-145s and Dash8s (200/400))

These are just a few that I can find, not really including all the express routes.

On the contrary, EWR-CLE is back to all s-CO aircraft.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):

On the contrary, EWR-CLE is back to all s-CO aircraft.

S-UA on EWR-CLE come and go. They are definitely around through the month of december.

Also on 12/31 EWR-PBI gets an s-UA 757. Might be the first s-UA visit to PBI....ever?



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently onlineusairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3414 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Don't forget to differentiate between the sCO 752 and 753, the 752 is an intl' config bird. I believe these used to make the quick hop to Florida/caribbean in between TA flts. However recently the sCO 752s have been found on some JFK-SFO/LAX flts so they may be pulling them off of the EWR-Florida flts. As for the 753s, they have really been spread through out the network on LAX/SFO-IAH/EWR/ORD/IAD, all of which are rather long stage lengths. sUA had a good number of 752s so it isn't hard to believe they are plugging them into EWR.

User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6472 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 3):

Yeah true. The only staple 753 route out of EWR these days is to AUA, which is no surprise when you think about it.

The December list of s-UA 757 routes out of EWR seems to be:

BOS, TPA, MCO, FLL, PBI, MIA, ORD, LAX, IAH, DEN, PDX

Generally the appearances are made few times weekly, definitely not daily in most cases.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1022 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

UA used to fly 1 a day PBI-ORD with a 733/A319 and in the winter 2 flights a day.... normally packed to the brim. United used to handle Air Canada in PBI with a very senior staff..


xx
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6132 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 2):

You are right, as after I posted the comment, I noticed that there was still s-UA metal operating CLE-EWR.


User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6459 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

Sorry, what's S-UA?????? Is that PMUA????


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 7):
Sorry, what's S-UA?????? Is that PMUA????

Precisely. Just another way of saying it.  


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

Quoting usxguy (Reply 5):

Sorry I met subsidiary UA - 757 into PBI. I don't think it's ever been operated before aside 727 and A319/A320.

Either way, I think it's a milestone a s-UA 757 operating EWR-PBI



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3513 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days ago) and read 4861 times:

What does S-UA mean?

I know it is old UA, but what is the s?

We should try to not use abbreviations that aren't well known imo


User currently onlinesulley From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days ago) and read 4772 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
What does S-UA mean?

I know it is old UA, but what is the s?

We should try to not use abbreviations that aren't well known imo


Subsidiary. I recently nonrev'd from FLL-CLE on a legacy UA 757. It's good to see sUA metal back in Florida; they had essentially ceded the entire South Florida market to everyone else.



In thrust we trust!
User currently offlineJHCRJ700 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
What does S-UA mean?

I know it is old UA, but what is the s?

We should try to not use abbreviations that aren't well known imo
Quoting sulley (Reply 11):
Subsidiary. I recently nonrev'd from FLL-CLE on a legacy UA 757. It's good to see sUA metal back in Florida; they had essentially ceded the entire South Florida market to everyone else.

S-UA, legacy UA, PMUA, one needs a crib sheet to understand what everyone is saying on here sometimes.   

It is interesting seeing the fleets get shuffled. I was in IAH recently for the first time since the merger and it was amazing seeing all the Airbuses down there.



RUSH
User currently offlineStratacruiser From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

They seem to be mixing things up quite regularly these days - I see plenty of sCO 737s at BOS Term C (i.e. on former UA routes). Was on an sUA 752 EWR-PDX on Monday.

Question - can any flight crew fly any aircraft, assuming they're qualified? For instance can former CO crew fly former UA 757s as they are common to both fleets? Cabin crew seem to be cross-assigned.

Dave


User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2418 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Quoting Stratacruiser (Reply 13):

Question - can any flight crew fly any aircraft, assuming they're qualified? For instance can former CO crew fly former UA 757s as they are common to both fleets? Cabin crew seem to be cross-assigned.

Presently, there is no crossover amongst sUA/sCO crews, aside from the furloughed sUA pilots who are currently with sCO (mostly 737 FOs). sUA crews won't be able to work sCO flights (or vice versa) until joint collective bargaining agreements are achieved and seniority lists are integrated.

In short, if you were on a former UA bird, it was a former UA crew. There are no exceptions.


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2649 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

All these cross fleeting changes must be in the works for 2 reasons.
1.) there is a difference in seat totals and putting sUA752s on a route provides 182 seats - they can utilize the various seat counts with sUA and SCO aircraft.
2.) Aircraft routings and crew pairings are a factor. As mentioned in the thread, CO used to run a number of TATL aircraft down the east coast prior between international flights. Now, maybe those sCO 752s are weaving into/out of Transcons instead - possibly to upgrade F seating, even though there are 16F vs. 24 F on the sUA 752. Not sure how the sUA 752s are being routed, but probably on turns in and out of EWR on high volume routings.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting Stratacruiser (Reply 13):
Question - can any flight crew fly any aircraft, assuming they're qualified? For instance can former CO crew fly former UA 757s as they are common to both fleets? Cabin crew seem to be cross-assigned.

Nah they can't do that. You can tell in difference in uniforms upon flying both subsidiaries.

However the s-UA EWR flying is indeed somewhat staffed by s-UA JFK crews. They must be loving all the adds.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 15):
2.) Aircraft routings and crew pairings are a factor. As mentioned in the thread, CO used to run a number of TATL aircraft down the east coast prior between international flights. Now, maybe those sCO 752s are weaving into/out of Transcons instead - possibly to upgrade F seating, even though there are 16F vs. 24 F on the sUA 752. Not sure how the sUA 752s are being routed, but probably on turns in and out of EWR on high volume routings.

A good amount of s-CO 757s are now on s-UA routings. EWR-ORD, DEN-LAX, IAD-LAX etc.

The interesting thing is I don't believe UA flew any 757s to PBI until now, from EWR.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineStratacruiser From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Just took a look at my itinerary for BOS-DEN-PHX-IAH-BOS (1485/1482/1661/815) starting this afternoon - three of four flights are "cross-fleet". 1661 is the only excpetion.

User currently offlineordramper98 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

I flew on a 757 from ORD to PBI in March of 2005 (might have been 2004). So we did fly them to PBI in the past.

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

I flew EWR-MIA last April on a PMUA 752 (with ch 9 on). Back on an A320. Next March I'm scheduled on a 73G down and 738 back,so???


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User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 3):
However recently the sCO 752s have been found on some JFK-SFO/LAX flts

Actually the sCO 752's are only on the JFK/LAX segment...they started this with the SEP schedule adjustment...only 1 flt a day UA161/162


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 20):

They were at 2x a day in some cases though.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineFlyHossD From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 895 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Just back from Hawaii (HNL and KOA) and I noticed a lot of sCO airplanes where I used to see sUAL metal.


My statements do not represent my former employer or my current employer and are my opinions only.
User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
We should try to not use abbreviations that aren't well known imo

Then we should use s and not PM, since s is the actual official abbreviation.

NS


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