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Delta Air Lines-US-Prague Service "seasonal"?  
User currently offlineSevensixtyseven From United States of America, joined May 2011, 180 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6232 times:

What happened to Delta's service from JFK to Prague? It seems that there is no more nonstop service between the US and the Czech Republic anymore, with the exception of a "seasonal" service from JFK to PRG. What is the status of this flight, and what are the timings/equipment on this route, and when does it restart?

After looking through pages, I've gathered that both Delta and CSA both served North America nonstop to Prague to various cities, but they don't anymore. Can anyone also provide timings/equipment on past routes as well?

Finally, Why has there been little success lately to flying to Central/Eastern Europe nonstop from the US? I would have thought that Skyteam would utilise CSA's hub for Eastern European passengers as opposed to using CDG or AMS for transferring passengers.


I attempted to use the search function for a definite answer to my question, and didn't find anything useful.


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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6212 times:
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It does seem strange that there isn't at least one year-around flight from the US to Prague. I'm sure there will be in the future, sounds like a good route for the 787.

User currently offlinezruda From Czech Republic, joined May 2006, 784 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

nobody here really gets it, as this DL route was usually pretty full and pax demand it every now and then, but I guess its called revenue management .)


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User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

DL 210 JFK-PRG 8:05PM - 10:35 AM Boeing 76G

It looks like it resumes on May 24th, 2013.


User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

Is CSA ever going to get anymore wide-body planes?

[Edited 2012-12-02 14:51:53]

User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5724 times:
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CSA is also problematic for US customers on connections, since a couple of the US carriers no longer have agreements with them.

User currently offlinezruda From Czech Republic, joined May 2006, 784 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5705 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 4):

unless some big player buys them I assume that no way



there is no coincidence
User currently offlinenetjetandy From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5608 times:

I don't get it either. The route is always packed when it exists. I travel through Prague to get to Bratislava Slovakia at least every other month and all I can say is somebody has to figure out a way to make it work because it's killing when Delta isnt running the route and I'm stuck on KLM or Air France.

User currently offlineSevensixtyseven From United States of America, joined May 2011, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

I did find out that CSA's problem was money and the cost of running widebodies, so that explains their exit from the market..but..why the fact nobody else can make it run is still confusing. It's not like DL has so few planes to run on the route..


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User currently onlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1043 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

Quoting zruda (Reply 2):
but I guess its called revenue management .)

More like route planning and analysis, but I get where you're coming from.



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User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 627 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

yup, flew on OK an ice age ago when they were running the 310s EWR-PRG. Good stuff, cute (fat) little (wide) plane, nice crews, pretty good service and packed to the gills as far as I can remember. I guess the yields just aren't there to sustain this year-round.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5086 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Thread starter):

Finally, Why has there been little success lately to flying to Central/Eastern Europe nonstop from the US? I would have thought that Skyteam would utilise CSA's hub for Eastern European passengers as opposed to using CDG or AMS for transferring passengers.

Nothing to do with Central/Eastern Europe. The Europe - US market collapses each Winter and it's cheaper to have your plane doing nothing than flying at a big loss. Hence why DL has a lot of seasonal routes (not just PRG). The reason they don't use PRG as a hub is that there is barely traffic enough for AMS and CDG (prime DL hubs in Europe) and thus no need to have an additional hub in Eastern Europe. On a positive note, JFK-PRG is back in the Skyteam timetable for W13, but this can change quickly.


User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 11):

This brings up something that I have wondered about in the past, which is what prevents DL from having more extensive code-shares with certain SkyTeam partners, particularly SU and OK. There are a number of secondary destinations in Eastern Europe where those two carriers provide the only SkyTeam service, yet I can't book a ticket there with DL due to the lack of code shares. This includes, for example, some important Ukrainian airports like DOK, DNK and HRK. The only way to get there from my home airport using SkyTeam is with an interline ticket booked from a third party. It would be nice to see more cooperation.



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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4621 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 12):
This brings up something that I have wondered about in the past, which is what prevents DL from having more extensive code-shares with certain SkyTeam partners, particularly SU and OK.

Probably delta.com not able to do it - at least the old one was not able to do that kind of search. For long time I was flying TYS - ILZ (when OK was still flying PRG - ILZ) and I could not book that on Delta.com. But a call to Delta (and NW before) always took care of those tickets.



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User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 12):
particularly SU

That has to do with Russian laws or some sort of bilateral. AA really does not codeshare with S7
I do not doubt that these planes to PRG are packed, but remember packed does not mean money making. PRG is not really a global business center. I am betting most of those seats are discount Y travelers and people in J are using miles or buying heavily discounted J tickets.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Thread starter):
Finally, Why has there been little success lately to flying to Central/Eastern Europe nonstop from the US?

Not enough high-yield business traffic. It's easy to fill the flights but it's almost all price-sensitive VFR and tourist traffic, which isn't willing to pay a premium for nonstop service over the many carriers operating convenient one-stop connections.

[Edited 2012-12-03 12:18:18]

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

PRG is just suffering the same problem that most of the U.S.-Europe market is experiencing: falling demand. The market sucks right now, yields suck and there are no signs of improving demand.

Just about the only things doing well between the U.S. and Europe right now are Barcelona (thanks to Americans flocking there, not Spain's colapsing economy), Istanbul and Moscow.



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User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2473 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 12):
The only way to get there from my home airport using SkyTeam is with an interline ticket booked from a third party. It would be nice to see more cooperation.

It has less to do with lack of cooperation and more to do with Russian transit/arrival if problems with flights arise. If you hold a US passport, you encounter problems pertaining to visa issues arriving at SVO, where transit thru CDG/AMS require none.

With OK (and PRG as a whole) there isn't much demand to make a connection via that city simply due to lack of network compared to KL/AF. And as MAH stated above, European travel during the winter is abysmal. I've seen two flights during the winter cancel due to weather in Europe and the next day's flights still have seats available.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 1):
It does seem strange that there isn't at least one year-around flight from the US to Prague. I'm sure there will be in the future, sounds like a good route for the 787.

Exactly why would the 787 be a good route for U.S.-PRG



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3099 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 18):
Exactly why would the 787 be a good route for U.S.-PRG

Because that's the flavor of the month on a.net, when it comes to making suggestions. The 787 is the answer to all questions.



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