airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1055 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4065 times:
Also the possible WN-DL gate switch. The 2 things I have heard are WN getting all of C and WN getting all of the North D gates giving DL all of C.
I have no inside knowledge but if I were WN I would tell DL, WN gets all of C or we don't change a thing because WN can not fit all of the additional pax from the current RJs DL operates in the D concourse.
Quoting jporterfi (Thread starter): the effect of WN's acquisition of FL on ATL, and the timeline for combining the two carriers' operations in ATL
Well their is a current thread on this already so I would keep away from this.
AV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1292 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4070 times:
I think that ATL has done a great job attracting cargo operations, but now I would Love to see some new passenger additions. We almost had TK service but that never happened, still hope to see QR come to ATL and who know's if the KE A380 will ever show up or a possible AF A380. Great that we still see BA, LH, KL serve ATL but it would be nice to see some different airlines. A return of JL would be nice but doubt it along with Swiss. I had heard DL was interested in a flight to Bangkok and that DL had pushed the City of Atlanta to extend 27R to help with that, (not sure if that's reality or not). Come on ATL get some free wifi access also!!! They claim to have it in Concourse E but I've never been able to get it to work. Just curious but does BA offer a "full" 4-class service to LHR? Or are they still blocking the First Class section?
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21779 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4040 times:
Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 2): I had heard DL was interested in a flight to Bangkok
Never, ever going to happen. The yields on BKK-US are awful, and if they did it ATL wouldn't be the gateway.
Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 2): We almost had TK service but that never happened, still hope to see QR come to ATL and who know's if the KE A380 will ever show up or a possible AF A380.
As far as airline variety, ATL is a victim of DL's success. There are very few routes that a foreign flag carrier could make work that DL cannot, but very few routes not already flown that could support two carriers.
It's a similar story in, for instance, CLT, which could likely support BA pretty easily if it wasn't a US hub.
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jporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 400 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3867 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4): As far as airline variety, ATL is a victim of DL's success. There are very few routes that a foreign flag carrier could make work that DL cannot, but very few routes not already flown that could support two carriers.
To an extent, I think this often applies with domestic operations also, and is part of the reason why FL (and now WN) was (and is) a victim of DL operations in ATL.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21779 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3844 times:
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 6): To an extent, I think this often applies with domestic operations also,
Maybe. But if you look at a market like DEN, which is a smaller city but may have somewhat more demand, I don't know that you see evidence that a legacy hub inhibits LFC operations in too many city pairs.
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srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17282 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3553 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4): Never, ever going to happen. The yields on BKK-US are awful, and if they did it ATL wouldn't be the gateway.
It would probably make more sense to keep doing what they're currently doing and having BKK traffic connect at NRT.
Quoting Litz (Reply 8): Free WiFi was announced a month or so ago... They have to wait for the existing contract to run out first, though... Supposed to be within the next year...
With more and more folks carrying smartphones, Wifi/Wimax dongles/portable hotspots or tablets with 3G/4G capability, this could be a case of too little too late.
KE will still be bringing the A380 to ATL, it's just slightly delayed due to the airport and airfield upgrades not being completed and ready in time for the original planned date for KE putting the A380 into ATL. I figure that the new start date will be either late Spring or early Summer. As for AF bringing it into ATL, that one I'm not as certain about. The only way I could see them bringing the A380 into ATL would be if they cut down to one flight a day.
As for new airlines into ATL, other than the rumored QR service, I don't see anything on the horizon. I don't think ATL is currently on B6's radar and probably won't be until the WN/FL integration is complete and FL ceases to exist as a brand, which is not expected for at least another two years. By then, who knows how much WN will have contracted at ATL. ATL has been supposedly on VX's radar for the last few years yet they still haven't entered the market and if the rumors about the airline being given an ultimatum by their investors are true, they may never enter the market.
I think that the rumored WN/FL and DL gate swaps will happen, but it may not be as we might think. It could actually involve multiple airlines.
LAXdude1023 From Lebanon, joined Sep 2006, 7040 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3527 times:
Quoting srbmod (Reply 10): It would probably make more sense to keep doing what they're currently doing and having BKK traffic connect at NRT
Its not as if ATL-BKK is even a large local market. ATL-BKK makes no sense at all.
ATL-Asia is a mystery into itself. Around 40% of the entire ATL-Asia local O&D is ATL-ICN. The upside to that is ATL-ICN is absolutely huge. The downside to that is that ATL-Asia is the most lopsided unbalanced Asia O&D of all the major cities.
ATL-ICN is the single largest international O&D city from Atlanta. Its larger than ATL-CUN or ATL-LHR.
[Edited 2012-12-03 13:51:44]
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dlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 868 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3433 times:
Quoting srbmod (Reply 10): KE will still be bringing the A380 to ATL, it's just slightly delayed due to the airport and airfield upgrades not being completed and ready in time for the original planned date for KE putting the A380 into ATL.
Where would the A380 gate be? On the E concourse or the F concourse?
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8910 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3327 times:
Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 2): I had heard DL was interested in a flight to Bangkok and that DL had pushed the City of Atlanta to extend 27R to help with that,
The reason for the runway extension is to give the 777 and 747(and A380 now) a little bit more roll time. Helps with cargo to places like DXB, ICN, NRT and JNB.
Only way ATL-BKK happens is if they route the ATL-NRT and NRT-BKK flight numbers the same.
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 1): Also the possible WN-DL gate switch. The 2 things I have heard are WN getting all of C and WN getting all of the North D gates giving DL all of C.
Here is the problem with both.
WN moves to D, WN loses gate space. Delta just paid to have a club put on D and just paid to have its bag system put all the way out to D(though this likely doesn't matter because of E)
DL moving to C then Delta not only pisses away its new club on C but also gives up a ton of space and gives WN room to grow.
At this point I don't seen anything happening except some kind of deal to get UA all on D or T(which IMO would mean AA moving to D....something that likely wont happen)
Couldn't this take place if DL agreed to move its T operations to D? Why do you think that AA wouldn't be willing to move to D? Is it because of convenience to its customers/staff due to T being the closest to the terminal? I think it would be very inconvenient for UA (and their passengers) to have their operations in 2 completely different parts of the airport.
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8910 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 days ago) and read 3272 times:
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 16): Couldn't this take place if DL agreed to move its T operations to D? Why do you think that AA wouldn't be willing to move to D? Is it because of convenience to its customers/staff due to T being the closest to the terminal? I think it would be very inconvenient for UA (and their passengers) to have their operations in 2 completely different parts of the airport.
few reasons AA wont, IMO, leave.
The two biggest would be convenience and the fact that AA has mostly its own "stuff" (so think things like bag room etc) because AA got most of the old FIS offices etc. Plus AA would have to have a club, though i guess they could take over the UA club on D.
DL likely wont leave for the same first reason as AA. T is the only place DL can park all of its widebody fleet outside of E/F(Delta can park 67s on A) DL is(was?) trying to run flights to places like ORD/LGA and DCA out of T vs A/B also.
I think UA will end up getting to take over ~2 of the CUTE gates on D(which IIRC they already use 1 plus the 3-4 CO gates) and move to D. I expect Delta to take over the few UA T gates.
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 16):
It is due in late 2013. I too am hoping for plans for a 6th runway. I also wonder if the South Gate Complex is still under consideration. IMO, that would be the easiest way to add gates.
I agree but it depends on where they put the new runway. I personally hope they don't try to move forward with relocating the Delta jet base(unless Delta/City were to rebuild it completely, which I don't think they will do. I think it would be used as a reason to move more work to Mexico....JMO) I don't see where TOC could be moved that it would be built back to what it is. (they said the old Ford plant, but just simply looking at google earth it wont fit)
thekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 382 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 days ago) and read 3265 times:
ATL is a fortress hub for DL, Serving a growing but no so diverse market. ATL has a big coporate base, but its International O&d is not as strong as other major cities. As far as international airlines go, unless they work with DL, the market cannot support multiple carriers to most foriegn destinations(besides LHR, FRA). Even most of the INTL routes DL flies only work because of the connectivity DL has at ATL.There are more profitable markets for foriegn carriers to open before ATL, and with DL dominance, its keeps most of them away. ATL only has 7 intl airlines, which is small compared to other major hubs. With WN planning to downsize ATL, maybe some domestic routes or carriers may look at service, but with a giant like DL having most the nation covered it may not be a high priority. As far as the A380, i could see it become a reality, the airport can handle it with the upgrades and there are two canidates that could begin service
With QR joining One world, what would support this? there is a growing indian population in the Atlanta area as well as business traffic to that region but that may already be covered through skyteam at AMS and CDG. And with DL already to DXB, it might be a tough one. It would certianly add some flare to ATL, only time will tell. QR is still doing some route and handling testing with the 787s, they are being flown into KWI, i witnessed this the other day.
I think QR is interested in this route mostly for O&D traffic, not so much to funnel people to DOH for connections (hence the reason they are using a 787 as opposed to a larger a/c). I was surprised and intrigued when I heard about it from Akbar al Bakar, and agree that time will tell whether this route will be successful. I can't wait to see the 787 in ATL (hopefully QR will come through with its plans).
globalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 870 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3217 times:
It will be interesting to see QR in ATL for passenger service. They already have Cargo services. Although if EY has the AF/KL/DL codeshares possible JV, then I think it would make much more sense to have EY service ATL to AUH. But I am not picky and would welcome ANY new passenger service. As the World's Busiest Airport, ATL has the least amount of diverse scheduled passenger carriers. I remember the days of the likes of JL, RG, SN, SA, OS, SR, KX, UP, JM, LAPA of Argentina (forgot their code), LV, LM, etc. I am sure there are others...
There had been rumours that WS would start a service to ATL (not sure if that was YYC and/or YYZ) after the SA)">DL code share but I have not heard anything lately.
B6 have told me that BOS would likely be the route to ATL (no firm dates or commitments) but as stated before maybe a MCO or FLL route would work as well to connect to the Caribbean.
I would still like to see the SkyTeam carriers enter the ATL market. SU on a ATL-SVO, AZ to FCO (highly unlikely), CI to TPE via YVR with a fifth freedom route on the ATL-YVR sector, KQ to NBO, AR to EZE (Again highly unlikely) and then some of the Chinese carriers. Of course most of these would NEVER happen but it would be cool to see some new colours.
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thekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 382 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3186 times:
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 22): I think QR is interested in this route mostly for O&D traffic,
Would be great, but with just O&D could ATL provide enough demand? I wonder what ATL-DOH PDEW is. Maybe QR feels there is a market for them in ATL that they can exploit. I dont believe EY or EK would come to ATL if QR gets there first. So its most than likely 1 carrier or bust. I can see QR looking at ATL as being a potential market because of the crazy numbers it puts up passenger wise, but if they are strickly relying on O&D Its a different world.
25 LAXdude1023: Ask and you shall receive. QR isnt after the ATL-DOH market. Its about 3 passengers a day. What QR would be after would be the travel to the region a
26 Mark2fly1034: The A380 gate is up and ready to go it looks like They might move the Delta TOC where the old Ford plant was to add a new Concourse and build a new te
27 Dalmd88: They don't have to move the entire facility. If just the engine shop complex was moved there would be room to almost double the gates at F. That incl
28 srbmod: Talk has been of putting it where the originally planned to put the fifth runway at on the northside of the airport. That's an interesting one. DL di
29 jporterfi: Well, there goes my woefully incorrect theory. I think you may be on to something with regard to traffic to that region. I'm not sure if it will last
30 Deltal1011man: why does WN get it? What makes them so deserving of a new terminal. Guess making ATL what it is isn't worth much these days. smh So would that mean t
31 LAXdude1023: My argument was not that QR cant make ATL work, just rather that there are no economic or VFR ties between ATL and Qatar. The traffic worth going for
32 thekennady: [quote=LAXdude1023,reply=25] QR isnt after the ATL-DOH market. Its about 3 passengers a day. What QR would be after would be the travel to the region
33 FreshSide3: It would not surprise me, though, if Ethiopian would put a non-daily trip to ATL, especially with the ties, and more 787s coming to ET. If they do, t
34 Cubsrule: The same reason FL was to move to the South Terminal. It makes no sense for DL to have a piecemeal operation.
35 FlyASAGuy2005: There are several problems with that theory. DL won't be vacating T concourse. T01-T07 can park widebodies. Specifically, T02 can park up to a 747. T