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Icelandair To Buy 12-16 New Aircraft Plus Options  
User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1015 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 21556 times:

According to an Icelandic business newspaper Icelandair is in the final stages of buying a new aircraft type. It states that the two options are from Boeing or Airbus and presumably the A320NEO or B737MAX series of aircraft. The board is expected to make a decision in the next couple of weeks.

http://www.vb.is/frettir/78710/

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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 21148 times:
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I suppose these are not meant as direct replacements for their B757s? Are some destinations such as Seattle or Denver a bit too far?

User currently offlineGCPET From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2012, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20133 times:

I could see them ordering 737MAX series aircraft for the European routes and 787's for the long haul routes? Will be a sad day when their 757's go; really nice livery!

GCPET



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User currently offlineb735 From Denmark, joined Oct 2010, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20042 times:

I think they already had ordered the B787, but cancelled it again. Those frames are now going to Norwegian.

B735


User currently offlineLuxair From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19579 times:

They will never ever buy Airbus at least not for longhaul. They're comitted to US products since ever! For european routes maybe. I agree, there 757 look stunning but my favorite was the mighty eight!


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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19507 times:

Quoting Luxair (Reply 4):
They will never ever buy Airbus at least not for longhaul. They're comitted to US products since ever! For european routes maybe. I agree, there 757 look stunning but my favorite was the mighty eight!

Well, Iceland has started negotiations with the EU for joining the EU since 27 June 2011. An Airbus order could show us some good faith...  

Cheers!   



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User currently offlineLuxair From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19478 times:

Ehhmm I mean "their" 757 look really stunning :p


Marvin Lee Cooper
User currently offlineLuxair From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19209 times:

@LifelinerOne One can still hope   In fact, i don't have a problem with them ordering Boeings as long as they go for the 748i or the 773 hehehe


Marvin Lee Cooper
User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18631 times:

Did FI give all of their B787 purchase rights to Norwegian?

Why did they even do that? Wasn't B787 a perfect replacement for their B757?


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18492 times:
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The 737-9 MAX would be the perfect replacement for the Icelandic 757 fleet.

User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17797 times:
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Quoting Luxair (Reply 7):
@LifelinerOne One can still hope In fact, i don't have a problem with them ordering Boeings as long as they go for the 748i or the 773 hehehe

replacing a 757 with a 747-8 or 777? your kidding right?

you try filling a 777 from KEF to SEA or MSP.

i don't know why those 757s need to be replaced in the first place, but I think the 787 is the logical replacement....


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17735 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 5):
Well, Iceland has started negotiations with the EU for joining the EU since 27 June 2011. An Airbus order could show us some good faith...

As long as politics has nothing do with it.....   


User currently offlinePanAm788 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17558 times:

This will be very interesting as FI's current network relies on the abilities of the 757 that currently have no suitable replacement. Perhaps a special 737-9MAXER is in the works for them  


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8363 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17558 times:

Quoting Luxair (Reply 4):
They will never ever buy Airbus at least not for longhaul. They're comitted to US products since ever! For european routes maybe. I agree, there 757 look stunning but my favorite was the mighty eight!

People used to say that about AA too.

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 11):
As long as politics has nothing do with it.....

Politics always plays a role in aircraft purchases. In some countries more than others.


User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17316 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 10):
but I think the 787 is the logical replacement....

FI would not even seasonally be able to support a 787 with decent load factors and yields to any of their destinations. There is a lot of tourism to and from Iceland, but remember Iceland is only a country of 320,000 people. As boring as it is for us a.netters it will be either the MAX or the NEO. Maybe even the C-series, as the range is pretty good.

Quoting Luxair (Reply 4):
They will never ever buy Airbus at least not for longhaul.
Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 11):
As long as politics has nothing do with it.....

I don't see why not. If the NEO has the range/payload capabilities the business case will be strong. With that said my money is on the MAX.


User currently offlinephotoshooter From Belgium, joined Feb 2010, 454 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17316 times:
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I think they'll go for the B737-9MAX. Though I'm not sure if this aircraft can replace FI's longest routes.
Just wait and see till they regret the B787 cancel.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
Politics always plays a role in aircraft purchases. In some countries more than others.

Correct, it might influence the support which France will give for accepting Iceland into the EU though they will never officially say that with these direct words  .

Quoting JU068 (Reply 1):
I suppose these are not meant as direct replacements for their B757s?

Sadly they will need to look into replacing these aircraft anyway soon. Some have the age of over 20 years now. Perhaps a few more B763s might help them meanwhile.

Niek B.



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 17233 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 14):
With that said my money is on the MAX.

Considering the banking fiasco and the trouble it caused to significant European concerns, coupled with their desperation to enter the EU in the hope of financial stability and monetary back-up, my money goes on an Airbus order.

The 757 has had its day and it's time to move on to more advanced aircraft.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16932 times:

Based on Iceland's location between North America and Europe, the A321MAX should be able to manage most of Icelandair's routes bar a couple. Would be a much more economical solution although I guess cargo capacity could be an issue.


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User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 884 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16904 times:

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 15):
I think they'll go for the B737-9MAX. Though I'm not sure if this aircraft can replace FI's longest routes.
Just wait and see till they regret the B787 cancel.

Couldn't the 737-7Max with additional wing tanks handle the distance? I know it does not have the seating capacity, but it might be an OK tradeoff having the 737-9MAX and 737-7MAX.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9366 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16843 times:

I like the Icelandair 757's. They may be old but they're still quite comfortable and a great ride. It's amazing how much stuff the flight attendants can bring around during the flight that all fits in the galley's.

At any rate, Icelandair is probably capable of filling larger planes at this point as their numbers keep going up and up and interest in Iceland is on the rise.

However, a bunch of planes pulling up to the KEF terminal much larger than a 757 would be a bit of a cluster. It's already crowded enough as it is.



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User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 885 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 16068 times:

Before replying I'll say that I know all of the board members very well and my dad used to be part of the dictatorship of Icelandair Group until a year ago so mst of what I'm saying are facts, not speculations..

Quoting JU068 (Reply 1):
I suppose these are not meant as direct replacements for their B757s? Are some destinations such as Seattle or Denver a bit too far?

No, those are not direct replacements. The 737/320 aircraft would be meant for Euro destinations and maybe YYZ, IAD and some of those smaller East Coast destinations. The newer 757s aren't going anywhere until at least 2020, some of them could even soldier on into the 2030s.

Quoting GCPET (Reply 2):

I could see them ordering 737MAX series aircraft for the European routes and 787's for the long haul routes? Will be a sad day when their 757's go; really nice livery!

787 is WAY too big for FI. They cancelled their order for a reason.

Quoting Luxair (Reply 4):

They will never ever buy Airbus at least not for longhaul. They're comitted to US products since ever! For european routes maybe. I agree, there 757 look stunning but my favorite was the mighty eight!

Why not? 737MAX is not a given at all.

Quoting finnishway (Reply 8):

Did FI give all of their B787 purchase rights to Norwegian?

Why did they even do that? Wasn't B787 a perfect replacement for their B757?

Because the 787 was way too big for all routes but JFK and CPH. No need for it as the 757 is still pretty economical.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):

The 737-9 MAX would be the perfect replacement for the Icelandic 757 fleet.

No. Lacks range for SEA, DEN, MSP, ANC, SFB and could've trouble reaching JFK, IAD in unfavourable winds. Also, FI is likely gonna order 320 321 / 738 739, not only the larger option.

Quoting g500 (Reply 10):
i don't know why those 757s need to be replaced in the first place, but I think the 787 is the logical replacement....

They don't need to be replaced and aren't gonna be until an aircraft which has the same capabilities as the 757 comes into the market.

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 5):
Well, Iceland has started negotiations with the EU for joining the EU since 27 June 2011. An Airbus order could show us some good faith...

FI is privately owned so politics won't have anything to do with their decision. Also, under 30% of the Icelandic population actually wants to join the EU.

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 14):
FI would not even seasonally be able to support a 787 with decent load factors and yields to any of their destinations. There is a lot of tourism to and from Iceland, but remember Iceland is only a country of 320,000 people. As boring as it is for us a.netters it will be either the MAX or the NEO.

Well said and absolutely true. 787 in FI colours would've been a disaster.

Quoting photoshooter (Reply 15):

I think they'll go for the B737-9MAX. Though I'm not sure if this aircraft can replace FI's longest routes.
Just wait and see till they regret the B787 cancel.

They'll never regret the 787 cancel. Never. It was ordered while Iceland was still in the "2007 mood" (spending spending spending to be the best). The economical downturn made Icelanders have a reality check and FI saw quickly that having a plane with 250 seats made absolutely no sense for the airline.

Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
The 757 has had its day and it's time to move on to more advanced aircraft.

Not true at all. It's economics are still fine and are perfect for Icelandair.

Regards,
Sveinn  



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15997 times:
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Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
Considering the banking fiasco and the trouble it caused to significant European concerns....my money goes on an Airbus order.

Iceland screwed over the US financial system a fair bit, so they owe us, as well.

Solution? Order the 737-8 and the A321-200neo.  


User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15793 times:

They will go with Boeing. I can feel it in my bones!


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User currently offlineeaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15383 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
The 737-9 MAX would be the perfect replacement for the Icelandic 757 fleet.

I think they'll go for the A320NEO because the B737MAX needs a very long runway to take-off from at MTOW, a runway that is longer than the one at KEF. Furthermore a lot of their destinations have even shorter runways than KEF. They would want to use MTOW in order to get the kind of range that would make this plane a reasonable plane on the North- Atlantic. This is why I think they would go for the A320NEO. It doesn't suffer from this same problem.


User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 885 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15312 times:

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 23):
I think they'll go for the A320NEO because the B737MAX needs a very long runway to take-off from at MTOW, a runway that is longer than the one at KEF.

Not true, KEF was even used as a space shuttle airport once or twice.

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 23):
Furthermore a lot of their destinations have even shorter runways than KEF.

That's absolutely true and if FI does what it's planning to do, opening some airports such as Trondheim in Norway than 320 would be better.

Quoting eaa3 (Reply 23):
They would want to use MTOW in order to get the kind of range that would make this plane a reasonable plane on the North- Atlantic. This is why I think they would go for the A320NEO. It doesn't suffer from this same problem.

Again, it's not likely that those planes will be used to N-America (except maybe Halifax).

regards, Sveinn  



Flights flown: 280 - Airlines: 40 - Airports: 64 - Next flights: KEF-BOS-EWR-PBI-TPA/SFB-KEF
25 Post contains images photoshooter : I understand but I hope you agree with me that in the Aviation industry, you always need to look forward. And FI's future looks good, I'm sure your f
26 Post contains images SRQKEF : Yes, I totally agree. The 787 would've just been too big a step from the 757. If a 762-sized widebody with better economics would come out today, tha
27 photoshooter : If they can make a profit out of this, I can only support this! Thanks for adding the useful and interesting information, FI sure is high on my 'to-f
28 KaiTak747 : So what? Icelandair is a business and is not state owned. It has no obligation to help Iceland get into the Euro. Any decision on aircraft will be pu
29 airbazar : But with more destinations in Europe served by more smaller planes, wouldn't that increase the connecting traffic at KEF for their N.America destinati
30 Post contains images SRQKEF : Hmm, good point. Maybe in a few years this could be right and the 787 will not be too big. The question is though, what cities with enough demand ins
31 Post contains links eaa3 : I know that KEF has a relatively long runway, that's true. However it is only 10,056 feet. The B737-8/9 MAX seem to need well over 11,000 feet to tak
32 JU068 : So what routes might see these smaller aircraft? Are there any routes out there that might lose their 757 once these planes are delivered? Also, when
33 stlgph : If smaller planes come to the fleet, I wouldn't be surprised to see more daily frequencies from Boston and Kennedy and the 757's go elsewhere.
34 FI642 : FI used to have some 737's they used to some European destinations and I think to one Canadian destination. Are these possibly for growth, or will th
35 eaa3 : It seems to me that Icelandair could benefit from larger aircraft though such as the B787. As they continue to grow they should be able to fill a B787
36 JU068 : I doubt Kennedy would get the smaller plane since it was mentioned earlier that it was one of few routes that could handle a plane larger than the 75
37 Viscount724 : When was that? I can´t find any evidence that the space shuttle ever made an emergency landing at KEF, or that KEF was designated as an official abo
38 eaa3 : It was never used as a space shuttle landing site. However it was at one time on the list of airports where the shuttle would go in an emergency. But
39 stlgph : What I'm saying is that I wouldn't be surprised to see more frequencies added from JFK and Boston. Boston's looking to go 3 daily next summer. JFK ma
40 JU068 : Oh ok, then we agree. It would be wise to add frequencies with smaller planes.
41 Post contains links and images SRQKEF : http://stjornuskodun.blog.is/blog/stjornuskodun/entry/1235015/ Yes, it was a fuel stop. I think I saw it somewhere that it was an official abort site.
42 135mech : Definitely, they still have one of the nicer ones! Will be sad when they all leave! They worked things well having one aircraft type for the last few
43 135mech : Unfortunately, the 757's performance abilities cannot be replaced by the 739ER. I was shocked to see that the 739ER NEEDS over 10,000 ft of runway on
44 KC135TopBoom : What does that have to do with anything FI does for their fleet? If they order Boeings, they won't be allowed into the EU? There are several airlines
45 BlueBus : I cannot wait to see the Icelandair livery on another a/c type. I just hope they don't change it or at least do not get rid of the yellow!
46 yyz717 : This could go either way but my money is on the A321neo due to its higher capacity.
47 prebennorholm : Before they went "all 757" they had a mixed fleet of 737-400 and 757-200. But that is many years ago. Yeah, they were great. But that's a very long t
48 ytz : I think they would be best served with 321NEOs and increased frequencies and more destinations in the US and Canada. Cabin something akin to what AA i
49 airbazar : The fact that they are planning to buy more aircraft and talking expansion tells me that they are looking at breaking that model or at least change i
50 stlgph : No difference. Icelandair's fleet is a lot busier in the summer than it is in the winter months as it stands now.
51 normie999 : It seems to me that their current business model is largely governed by the use of single type, capable of flying all routes. If they start mixing it
52 sweair : Wasn't Airbus working on a TATL capable neo? IMO they should go for a real 757 replacement frame, and hit the 787 from below. But hey that´s another
53 enilria : Wasn't Iceland bankrupt like yesterday?
54 Post contains links faxiTMA : Interesting, how reliable is this: http://www.boeing.com/newairplane/737ng/whosFlying/#/ICE 737 looks good in FI colors
55 KC135TopBoom : If that is a requirement to join the EU, then the US qualifies. Then again, I would vote against it. Isn't FI a non-government company? I thought it
56 ytz : KEF is nearly at Sea Level and temperate all year round. But what about places like DEN? But the model has to change when 757s aren't available. There
57 prebennorholm : No. They had a serious bank crisis four years ago. They worked their way out of that. Today Iceland is one of the world's most prosperous countries.
58 yyz717 : Less than perfect. DEN and ANC will be a challenge, to say the least. Field performance of the 9MAX is also tepid compared to the 757. Maybe, or perh
59 prebennorholm : Some posters are focusing way too much on FI's North American destinations. As SRQKEF said already in reply #20 the newer 757s will soldier on for Nor
60 eaa3 : On Icelandair's half year financial statement they made a note that they were talking to Airbus and Boeing so it seems that those will be the manufact
61 Post contains images sweair : It´s a customer like this that would be a perfect launch customer for the A322
62 135mech : I remember that well... seeing the "boards" at the end of Mildenhall on take off... "exciting" is a good word for it! LOL 135Mech
63 KC135TopBoom : 5 of 6 runways at DEN are 12,000' long. The other runway (Rwy 16R/34L) is 16,000' long. A lot of a.netters are saying the B-737MAX is runway performa
64 Asiaflyer : Very true, except that A322 will unfortunately never happen with current A320 generation. Pure nonsense to bring that up. EU governments do not inter
65 Post contains links Someone83 : And the winner is Boeing and the 737-MAX (8 and 9) with 12 commitments http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2517
66 sweair : How many customers are there with the needs of Iceland Air? A WB is too big and a NB has not the real range to fit their network. What will they do wh
67 finnishway : That was expected.
68 JU068 : Those aircraft look stunning! I am in love with them!
69 FI642 : Now, will FI introduce a new Livery? Now I'm craving dried fish from the shop in KEF!
70 prebennorholm : Nobody knows. According to the press release FI expects delivery of their first 737 MAX in 2018, so they have time to think about it.
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