Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5286 posts, RR: 35 Posted (5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14738 times:
Noticed this last week on EI-DAA, and the lower case K is pretty obvious, so I wonder how it came about, and why, after eleven years, it hasn't been corrected. Anyone know of any other airline typos?
Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5286 posts, RR: 35 Reply 3, posted (5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14175 times:
Quoting zeke (Reply 1): I have seen it with a capital K
Strange. Maybe it has been repainted, but why someone didn't notice (maybe they did and hoped no one else would) is beyond me. Looks very unprofessional.
EagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1619 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14003 times:
Yeah...this was spotted about 2-3 years ago when it came back from a repaint. Incompetent contractors. It has been mentioned to EI mgmt by a person I know. Can't remember what the response was.........personally I think it looks bad.
nightfox365 From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 30 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8674 times:
I would hardly call this a typo. If it was a J or P then I would understand, but it isn't exactly the most important thing, the name of the company is more important, hence why the name of the aircraft is small.
BlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7052 times:
Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 6): I would hardly call this a typo. If it was a J or P then I would understand, but it isn't exactly the most important thing, the name of the company is more important, hence why the name of the aircraft is small.
I have to disagree. Small things in the airline biz matter.
Plus most passengers can see that and feel if they can't notice a detail like that, what else might they be missing?
At what point do we draw the line in the sand around here?
Yes, seriously; I think this is bad; I must admit I hadn't noticed it, though I haven't been that "up close and personal" with this acft for a while. It is important that these things are corrected. Aer Lingus has been paying a lot of attention to its branding and the cleanliness of its aircraft in recent years (Herr Mueller is very keen on this); the aircraft's name is a part of this and it should definitely be with a capital "K".
I suppose my background in the printing industry makes me a nerd where typesetting is concerned.
In the business, any incorrect character or spelling mistake is always considered a typo, and it's unforgiveable when it lasts years on something like an airliner where a very professoinal image is required.
Quoting zeke (Reply 1): I have seen it with a capital K
I'm intrigued Zeke, how come a pilot based in Hong Kong would notice such small detail, let alone remember it?
captainmeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 354 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4388 times:
Quoting BlueBus (Reply 7): Plus most passengers can see that and feel if they can't notice a detail like that
How many passengers are going to get that close to view the offending letter? I doubt very many bar those few who stare out the window at the airport when they are waiting to board.
Plus given that a jetbridge would usually be attached, passengers wouldn't notice this anyway.
A small mistake that should be fixed but that isn't the be all and end all of a company's image
tonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1874 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4187 times:
Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 11): How many passengers are going to get that close to view the offending letter? I doubt very many bar those few who stare out the window at the airport when they are waiting to board.
It may go unnoticed by many people but you'd be surprised how many first time visitors to Ireland would find it somewhat quaint to see that the flag carrier have named the aircraft after Irish saints yet they can't get the spelling of the name right. In fact, during the safety demonstration, it is not uncommon for Aer Lingus crew to announce the name of the particular aircraft. Not a good look. It would be better to go to Woodies for a can of white Hammerite and just paint over it than leave it as it is.
[Edited 2012-12-04 00:00:32]
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captainmeeerkat From Russia, joined Aug 2010, 354 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3977 times:
Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 12): t may go unnoticed by many people but you'd be surprised how many first time visitors to Ireland would find it somewhat quaint to see that the flag carrier have named the aircraft after Irish saints yet they can't get the spelling of the name right
If they want to get the spelling right, it should be Caoimhe (Naomh Caoimhe), so we are both nitpicking here. Again, 99 % of people will not look at the plane, see the plane, or care about such details other than the fact that it is a green EI plane with a shamrock on the tail. They have no log-book to fill, or airliners.net photo account to update.
I agree with you Tony that it should be changed, it looks very weird. Yet, it isn't the end of the world in terms of marketing and brand image.
tonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1874 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3642 times:
Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 13): If they want to get the spelling right, it should be Caoimhe (Naomh Caoimhe), so we are both nitpicking here. Again, 99 % of people will not look at the plane, see the plane, or care about such details other than the fact that it is a green EI plane with a shamrock on the tail. They have no log-book to fill, or airliners.net photo account to update.
In fairness it is not really the same thing. Keeva is the anglicisation of the otherwise unpronounceable to most English speakers of the Irish spelling that no non Irish Speaker would even pick up on. Not like the current spelling of St keeva which is an obvious grammatical error that anyone who looks is more than likely to pick up on.
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Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5286 posts, RR: 35 Reply 15, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3546 times:
Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 13): If they want to get the spelling right, it should be Caoimhe (Naomh Caoimhe), so we are both nitpicking here
Aer Lingus always put the Irish (Gaelic) spelling on the starboard side, without indicating it's sainthood, for some reason. And I've just noticed they've put Caoimhe in lower case as well. While this is a certain style and perfectly acceptable, it looks bad if the "St" is capitalised and "Keeva" is not, and also not in keeping with the rest of the fleet.
Come to think of it, in the 21st century, in a supposedly secular era, it's time Aer Lingus dropped the "St". Wouldn't be that much of a change, and just using the Irish names would be in keeping with the carrier's identity.
EagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1619 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3338 times:
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 15): Come to think of it, in the 21st century, in a supposedly secular era, it's time Aer Lingus dropped the "St". Wouldn't be that much of a change, and just using the Irish names would be in keeping with the carrier's identity.
While I see your point I don't see how the use of historic figures in Irish history is out of place in our 'secular era'. Saints were chosen over islands and birds as reflective of the 'Saints and Scholars' history of Ireland, this history has not changed. The usage of saints names is a tradition in EI, dating back to the mid 1940's, it doesn't reflect a religious slant in the company. One thing it does do is emphasis the tourism attraction of Ireland among certain demographics, crews are regularly asked 'which saint are they travelling on'
And as Captmeerkat pointed out above, 99% of pax wouldn't notice the typo. It still annoys me though.
Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5286 posts, RR: 35 Reply 17, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3250 times:
Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 16): While I see your point I don't see how the use of historic figures in Irish history is out of place in our 'secular era'.
It's all down to perception, of course, and no doubt a lot of people like the idea of the fleet being named after saints. Personally it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable and I see it as a throwback to the time when the church had a say in running the country. I see you live in Cambridge, so I don't know if you have any connections with Ireland, but a lot of people thought that influence had been consigned to history, only to find it exploding onto international headlines in the last few weeks.
tonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1874 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 17): It's all down to perception, of course, and no doubt a lot of people like the idea of the fleet being named after saints. Personally it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable and I see it as a throwback to the time when the church had a say in running the country. I see you live in Cambridge, so I don't know if you have any connections with Ireland, but a lot of people thought that influence had been consigned to history, only to find it exploding onto international headlines in the last few weeks.
I guess it is a matter of personal opinion. I am not a practising Catholic by any stretch of the imagination and have very little regard for anything they say or do but I do still love to see the EI aircraft named after Saints as do I enjoy celebrating Christmas (which at this point is barely remember as a religous holiday). Yes, it originated at a time when the Church basically had a say in everything in Ireland but I think it has moved beyond that ans it now an EI tradition rather than the Church dictating to us all how things should be done.
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VFRontop From Ireland, joined Oct 2012, 17 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2719 times:
I think there are some very valid points raised here:
Quoting captainmeeerkat (Reply 11): How many passengers are going to get that close to view the offending letter? I doubt very many bar those few who stare out the window at the airport when they are waiting to board.
Very true, it's a small mistake yes, but it is a mistake nontheless and a visible one at that.
The contractors got it wrong and somehow it slipped under Aer Lingus' radar and got signed off. Whatever the impact (small or large) the fact remains that it is wrong both gramatically and from an IE branding perspective.
Would you agree that it is "The Spirit of St. Louis" not "The Spirit of St. louis"
VS "Dancing Queen" not "Dancing queen"
B6 "Blue Belle" not "Blue belle"
My point is it's an error and all known errors should be corrected, otherwise it looks lazy.
EagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1619 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1887 times:
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 20): Not only that if I pay a $100K for a paint job I want it perfect.
Quoting VFRontop (Reply 19): Very true, it's a small mistake yes, but it is a mistake nontheless and a visible one at that.
.....My point is it's an error and all known errors should be corrected, otherwise it looks lazy.
I'm with these guys on this...
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 17): I see you live in Cambridge, so I don't know if you have any connections with Ireland,
If you contriuted to the Irish thread you would know that I am very much inmersed in current events in Ireland.
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 17): Personally it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable and I see it as a throwback to the time when the church had a say in running the country.
Personally I see it as a throwback to our Medaevil history rather than a remenent of the post WWII era, the late 1800's or even the mid 1600's....the periods of the worse excesses of religion on our island.
nightfox365 From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 30 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1845 times:
Most passengers are not scrutinizing the plane, most just want to get from A to B in as short a time as possible. It is only really aviation enthusiasts that would notice. And making a capital K a lower case k is not really going to insight is there something else missing. It is just text.
VFRontop From Ireland, joined Oct 2012, 17 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1720 times:
Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 22): Most passengers are not scrutinizing the plane, most just want to get from A to B in as short a time as possible. It is only really aviation enthusiasts that would notice. And making a capital K a lower case k is not really going to insight is there something else missing. It is just text
You may be right. But why do it at all then? Maybe I'm a perfectionist but if you are going to do something, do it right.
The other argument of course is that the 1% of flyer's that notice are the 1% you do it for in the first place. This is the same reason EI use custom "Waterford Crystal" in business class rather then generic crystalware.
Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 17): but a lot of people thought that influence had been consigned to history, only to find it exploding onto international headlines in the last few weeks.
I don't want to get side tracked into an ecclesiastical debate but when it comes to history it is possible/important to look back but not step back.
For better or worse Ireland's history is intrinsically linked to Christianity and an airline like Aer Lingus which prides itself on its Irishness has cleverly used this rich history, which is a history of the people of Ireland, not of an institution, religious or otherwise.
AerLingusA330 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 347 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1265 times:
I took this picture back in 2008 at DUB of EI-CPH (A321). If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on the fact that the same contractor painted this aircraft and forgot to dot the i...literally.
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25 AmricanShamrok: I find the font of the saints' names on the A321s are more bold/bigger than the rest of the fleet too?
26 shamrock350: This was something that really bothered me so excuse me if ramble a bit in this post... I seem to remember the A330-200s went for their repaints durin
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