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HA To Launch TPE  
User currently offlineyanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 11
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8690 times:

Hello

Did not see this come up yet on the search or forums yet, but HA looks to be adding TPE from HNL using its A332. Service starts in July 2013 at 3x per week. Link below.

http://worldairlinenews.com/2012/12/...ipei-taiwan-starting-in-july-2013/

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2013 Airports: EWR, JFK, LGA, LIS, AGP, DEN, GIG, RGN, BKK, LHR, FRA, LAX, SYD, PER, MEL, MCO, MIA, PEK, IAH
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User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8602 times:

Their Pacific Rim growth continues! Congrats again to HA!

User currently offlineyanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8594 times:

Indeed quite impressive and glad to see a US carrier adding more routes across the Pacific Rim. Big question now is when does the Chinese mainland finally get service. Either PEK or PVG. I think it's a question of time now. Would be a nice option of my numerous trips back and forth to China each year (or for the future mrs. to see her family back home).


2013 Airports: EWR, JFK, LGA, LIS, AGP, DEN, GIG, RGN, BKK, LHR, FRA, LAX, SYD, PER, MEL, MCO, MIA, PEK, IAH
User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8435 times:

Quoting yanksn4 (Reply 2):
Big question now is when does the Chinese mainland finally get service. Either PEK or PVG. I think it's a question of time now

I agree that either PEK, PVG, or HKG are the next airports to be added. But you'll notice they have added flights to countries with the visa waiver program first (S Korea, Japan, and Taiwan).


User currently offlineyanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8269 times:

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 3):
I agree that either PEK, PVG, or HKG are the next airports to be added. But you'll notice they have added flights to countries with the visa waiver program first (S Korea, Japan, and Taiwan).

That was one of the first things I noticed when I heard this. With Taiwan now/soon to be receiving Visa-waiver status, fits the mold of other countries in the region HA is expanding to. Considering that, HKG will probably be next as HK passports do not require a visa as far as I know. I still think SIN as some on the forums here have speculated is too far / thin a route for Hawaii but who knows.



2013 Airports: EWR, JFK, LGA, LIS, AGP, DEN, GIG, RGN, BKK, LHR, FRA, LAX, SYD, PER, MEL, MCO, MIA, PEK, IAH
User currently offlineSingaporeBoy From Singapore, joined May 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

Singapore Singapore!!!!Would love to see their aircraft here in Changi.I think HA has one of the nicest liveries and would certainly add color to the rather dull Terminal Buildings here.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7654 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

Guess who isn't surprised, but excited, and probably going to take this route from PHX at the same time? 

Awesome choice, HA!

[Edited 2012-12-03 08:03:48]


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User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7952 times:
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HA is really on a roll! More info here:

http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...-newsArticle&ID=1763593&highlight=

On a related note, other airlines that have once operated flights to TPE from HNL are China Airlines (nonstop, in addition to the current HNL-NRT-TPE service), EVA Air (failed twice), and Aloha Pacific.

Guess it's time to predict HA's next destination. Perhaps MEL?


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3675 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7920 times:

Quoting je89_w (Reply 7):
Guess it's time to predict HA's next destination. Perhaps MEL?

What about CEB? Or is the Philippine traffic centered around MNL and Luzon?



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User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7851 times:

Well done HA, always great to read about new routes. The A332s must be arriving quickly!

User currently offlinebioyuki From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7612 times:

Congrats to HA! Does anybody know what the timing of the flights will be? Would love to fly SFO-TPE via HNL if stopovers are allowed  


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 3):
Quoting yanksn4 (Reply 2):Big question now is when does the Chinese mainland finally get service. Either PEK or PVG. I think it's a question of time now
I agree that either PEK, PVG, or HKG are the next airports to be added. But you'll notice they have added flights to countries with the visa waiver program first (S Korea, Japan, and Taiwan).

HA has also only added service to countries where Open Skies agreements exist with the U.S., meaning no restrictions on routes or frequencies. China is not Open Skies so the U.S. government would first hae to negotiate the rights to permit HA service.


User currently offlinePassedV1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 11):

This is true, however, Dunkerly has openly stated HA's desire to fly to China so I think it's more a practical point. I know HA will eventually fly to China, however, after reading the DOT ruling awarding Delta the Haneda slot, I am not sure HA will be competetive for any China rights that come open for awhile.


User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

Great news for HA, was about to post this if it hadn't been yet.

User currently offlineUA735WL From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7067 times:

Interesting little history lesson...Aloha operated HNL-TPE for several months in 1984-5 with a leased DC-10-30 using the brand "Aloha Pacific". It was wildly unprofitable and was dropped. Hopefully HA fares better.

[Edited 2012-12-03 12:41:17]

[Edited 2012-12-03 12:44:34]


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User currently offlinearticulatexpat From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2006, 156 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting yanksn4 (Reply 4):
Considering that, HKG will probably be next as HK passports do not require a visa as far as I know.

Unfortunately, HK isn't in the Visa Waiver Program yet.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2215 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 12):
This is true, however, Dunkerly has openly stated HA's desire to fly to China so I think it's more a practical point. I know HA will eventually fly to China, however, after reading the DOT ruling awarding Delta the Haneda slot, I am not sure HA will be competetive for any China rights that come open for awhile.

I believe that there are rights to China available now. The Chinese rush has died down a lot in the past couple of years as the airlines have learned that the China routes are not as great of a goldmine as they expected/hoped.


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 8):
What about CEB? Or is the Philippine traffic centered around MNL and Luzon?

No way. Not before MNL is daily, which is not at its curent four weekly service.
Although CEB is quite attractive for tourism and such, the popualtion in and around Manila is about ten times the size the one in and around Cebu! On top of this, almost all of the little businesss traffic that does go to the Philippines is almost entirely concentrated to the capital region, as you say.

A comparison is that there are ten daily widebodies between the Gulf countries and Manila, while not one single flight to Cebu. So a flight to Cebu won't happen when Manila is still at four weekly...

/Alex



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User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5263 times:

HKG is open skies...no route authorities are needed.

User currently offlineMarcoPoloWorld From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4850 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 8):
What about CEB?

Absolutely - at least at some point. If major mainline carriers ranging from Cathay Pacific to Asiana and Korean Air can make it work (and Philippine Airlines flying to/from Tokyo from there), Hawaiian might as well at least try it, especially if they can get an agreement with one of the local carriers for connections at Cebu, which has a ton of daily domestic and regional flights. Cebu City might be distant from Manila in population, but it is the second largest city in a country with strong ties to the US. And I take CEB as a port of entry / exit in the Philippines over MNL any day whenever practical and feasible.

Anyway, interesting move by HA to Taipei, and good luck to them. I'll try them out some time.


User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 19):
If major mainline carriers ranging from Cathay Pacific to Asiana and Korean Air can make it work

Those airlines fly big city to a holiday destination and the distance is not too much either. CEB-HNL would be a holiday-to-holiday destination. There aren't too many routes like that in the world, particularly with long-haul.


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Quoting je89_w (Reply 7):
Guess it's time to predict HA's next destination. Perhaps MEL?

Next destinations:
NGO?
GUM?
MEL?
RAR?


User currently offlinehawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

Will be interesting to see if HA times this flight to allow west coast connections. If they do, they're going to have to offer some pretty attractive fares to pull people away from west coast-TPE nonstop flights. Using the SFO example mentioned above, going via HNL adds 998 miles compared to a nonstop (offered by BR, CI, and soon UA), plus the extra time needed for the connection.

I could see it being a bit more attractive being able to offer on-line connections from HA's smaller markets that don't offer a nonstop to TPE, but its still going to mean going out of their way compared to a west coast connection.

But knowing HA, their focus will be on the Hawaii-TPE market, and any west coast-TPE passengers will just be a bonus.


User currently offlinejetMarc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 555 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

Their recent growth is amazing! Do you think there's a (connecting) market for HNL-MEX? Maybe if they start Beijing or Shanghai?


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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3838 times:

I think HA should really consider having a more international business product. While their front cabin is better than US carriers' domestic first, it is nowhere nearly as nice a true international business!


14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
25 yellowtail : Abosultely....lots of money in MEX.....definitely would work.
26 JohnClipper : HKG to CEB is mostly domestic workers going back and forth.
27 CoachClass : Best of Luck, HA. My concern is that it feels like the old days when Braniff went big with international expansion and look where it is today.
28 LAXintl : HA could fly to China tomorrow. There are plenty of unused authorities available for the US side. What keeps HA away from China is the passenger visa
29 mbm3 : They might want to start this route before Scoot sets eyes on it!
30 EddieDude : Well, I definitely want to visit Hawai'i at some point, and I'd love to have a nonstop option, but I am not too sure the market is big enough to supp
31 HAL : Unfortunately, the A330 can't fly HNL-SIN with a full load, and if HA has to offload pax and cargo, it wouldn't be profitable enough to run. I think
32 RyanairGuru : They won't have any problem getting PRC rights. Given that they've just launched BNE and AKL, I think MEL must be on its way. Tourism from Australia
33 Roseflyer : This is no surprise since Taiwan became a visa waiver country last month so now tourists can freely travel to Hawaii. Hawaiian is a heavy lobbyist for
34 ryu2 : Unfortunately it will be a long time if ever before China gets Visa Waiver. It's still a developing country and many, if not most mainland Chinese wo
35 RWA380 : Maybe, good thought and it would make sense given the strong AUD. DL got it's SEA-PVG flght award in like 3 days, there are open slots available for
36 OzarkD9S : Hardly comparable. Braniff misread the deregulated tea leaves, applying for almost any international authority that opened up without regards to WHY
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