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Routes That Would Work Well For VX  
User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8427 times:

Ive been pondering today with the new alliances and some new, exciting destinations to bring their product to VX will need to look (and probably has extensively) at where to expand once they move from this re-trenchment phase. I threw a few suggestions out there but wonder what the POSITIVE people out there might have to contribute taking into consideration where Singapore/HA/VS/VA passengers tend to connect too and what communities have strong businesses formed with VX demographic, not so loyal to UA/DL/AA/US. I put a few suggestions below and look forward to reading your responses. Maybe VX will take a gander at them

Please keep your VX is going bye-bye talk to all of the other threads youve chosen to make your productive statements in thank you....

(If anyone knows why this didnt work please share)
SFO-YYZ
LAX-YYZ
SFO-MEX
SFO-AUS
LAX-AUS
SFO-MSP
SFO-IAH
LAX-IAH
*I worry the loyalty may be an issue here but the alliances could help push traffic over
LAX-ASE
SFO-ASE
SFO-EGE

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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8420 times:

VX already operated flights to YYZ from SFO and could not make it work against the dominant Star Alliance carriers in the market. I have thought that AUS from the westcoast could be a natural market for VX. I'd also like to see SFO-BUR flights from VX as the market now consists of a handful of UAX CRJ flights.


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8375 times:

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Thread starter):
LAX-ASE
SFO-ASE

I don't think the A32x could handle that.

I'll add two:
IND-LAX (a route currently served nonstop by only DL on a less-than-daily basis, but one that has been served multiple times daily in the past by NW, WN, and FL)
IND-SFO (a route that is a top priority for the Indianapolis Airport Authority; once served by NW in the focus city days and maybe TZ as well)



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5400 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8318 times:

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Thread starter):
Ive been pondering today with the new alliances and some new, exciting destinations to bring their product to VX will need to look (and probably has extensively) at where to expand once they move from this re-trenchment phase. I threw a few suggestions out there but wonder what the POSITIVE people out there might have to contribute taking into consideration where Singapore/HA/VS/VA passengers tend to connect too and what communities have strong businesses formed with VX demographic, not so loyal to UA/DL/AA/US. I put a few suggestions below and look forward to reading your responses. Maybe VX will take a gander at them.

The first thing I notice about your list is that you are continuing right along VX's current strategy of only flying from SFO and LAX. There are some of us out here that feel that is part of the carrier's business model that is very narrow minded and is contributing to their current situation (and exactly why they need this re-re-trenchment phase.)

Virgin has lots of dots now but continues to not connect them at all. You are simply proposing more of the same. I don't really understand why this will help them.

Sorry if this is not positive enough for this thread...

bb


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 1):
I have thought that AUS from the westcoast could be a natural market for VX.

SFO/LAX-AUS are very saturated right now.

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Thread starter):
SFO-YYZ
LAX-YYZ

Tried and failed

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 2):
I don't think the A32x could handle that.

Correct.

VX has to deal with other issue's right now. They don't have any aircraft coming and are starting to deal with labor cost issue's. I believe they won't be taking many risk here for a while.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1986 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

VX has to focus on city-centre airports like MDW. And has to work hard to get past perimeter rules at HOU, LGA and DCA.

User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8198 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 5):

VX has to focus on city-centre airports like MDW. And has to work hard to get past perimeter rules at HOU, LGA and DCA.

MDW is dominated by WN - VX stated when they were first looking at Chicago that they would not consider MDW because of that.

HOU does not have a perimeter rule.

Fighting the perimeter rule at LGA will be tough, but it needs to go.

Lastly, VX tried to get out-of-perimeter slots at DCA in the last round for SFO service, but lost. Better luck next time.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8197 times:

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Thread starter):
Please keep your VX is going bye-bye talk to all of the other threads youve chosen to make your productive statements in thank you....

But before they decide on new fancy routes, they need to get their house in order FIRST before they do anything else. Priority #1, like it or not.

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Thread starter):
SFO-ASE, LAX-ASE

You can't use anything bigger than a CR7 at ASE, so those are out. Republic tried this with an E190 and couldn't make it work to satisfy the FAA. ASE isn't ever going to happen for VX.



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User currently offlineBlueBus From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
But before they decide on new fancy routes, they need to get their house in order FIRST before they do anything else. Priority #1, like it or not.

With their delay of taking on new a/c, it seems like they are in the process of doing this.


User currently offlineflyingcaT From United States of America, joined May 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8103 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
Lastly, VX tried to get out-of-perimeter slots at DCA in the last round for SFO service, but lost. Better luck next time.

Hate to correct you but both UA and VX fly DCASFO nonstop. Better luck next time


User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1986 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8066 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
You can't use anything bigger than a CR7 at ASE, so those are out. Republic tried this with an E190 and couldn't make it work to satisfy the FAA. ASE isn't ever going to happen for VX.

This is why I maintain that VX should ditch the 319s and get something smaller. (EJets, CRJ, CSeries).


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25054 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8054 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
Lastly, VX tried to get out-of-perimeter slots at DCA in the last round for SFO service, but lost.

   

There is a daily SFO-DCA.

Virgin America won the authority:
DOT DCA Slot Award Decision (by LAXintl May 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8049 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 10):



Their in no position to bring in an additional a/c type at this time. They have their hand and need to play it as is.

As I stated above, they have some labor cost issue's that are upon them already. Bad time to start screwing with juggling pilots to a new type.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
But before they decide on new fancy routes, they need to get their house in order FIRST before they do anything else. Priority #1, like it or not.

Well said.



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

Ok, some good replies...regarding the YYZ ops..i am fully aware as i stated that it didnt work. Ive also always heard it was because not enough time was given to build contracts and attract the flyers on each end. When you look at their demo, YYZ still fits the bill perfectly.

-Regarding them 'connecting the dots', i know they are not doing that now, and i dont really agree thats whats 'wrong' with their model. Ive said time and time again i think their model, now marketed to EVERYONE who books travel thru sabre GDS is already turning the corner. In this same retrospect of connecting more cities, they clearly need to do that in the west and i thought taking an A319 and running it once daily back and forth to the ski resorts might make some coin over the winter. I guess if the runways dont suit then it wont work. I remember running 57's into Vail, and i assumed Aspen but maybe i was wrong

-IND-SFO/LAX =- great idea..i knew there were more cities i wasnt thinking of

-AUS market:: I believe the saturation is not true. I for instance just had a passenger who couldnt get from PDX-AUS because DL only offered a late flight from SLC and AA was out of the way thru DFW, US and AS didnt even show up. United was rediculous in price and F9 ended up being his best option but at 343.10 to save 2 hours it wasnt worth it. Im not saying VX wouldve won this customer over but atleast they would have been an option. Besides with hubs at LAX and SFO, those two populations and the loyal VX base at both im sure need AUS and would choose VX.


User currently offlinenomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7981 times:

Given their current state, it's not in the current routes. DFW amd ORD are great marktes, but AA (DFW and ORD) and UA (ORD) will protect their turf. Thown in WN from MDW in this case, and it's tough for VX to make two large O&D markets work from SFO. Maybe they should try a different hub?

User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7970 times:

Quoting nomorerjs (Reply 14):
Given their current state, it's not in the current routes. DFW amd ORD are great marktes, but AA (DFW and ORD) and UA (ORD) will protect their turf. Thown in WN from MDW in this case, and it's tough for VX to make two large O&D markets work from SFO. Maybe they should try a different hub?

Definetely you did NOT read the topic of this thread.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7882 times:

The main question to consider here, is there profitability possible given its current model in the near future?

If the answer is no i would think they need to consider a total change in business model. Consider a different focus than LAX/SFO or consider more middle america less competitive cities? Just because the product seems like a great fit for LAX-JFK it doesn't necessarily mean they are making any money on the route. The airline has never had a profitably quarter and some of its oldest routes are probably dogs that just keep weighing the airline down. To this point they seem h#ll bent of keeping the exact same strategy as launch.

Unless they expect some massive turn around I don't see a massive economic recovery soon enough for Virgin America I think they will need to consider a new business plan unless the investors plan on just bailing out for an unknown time period. It is the best product out there i would take virgin amnerica anywhere anytime but that doesn't mean it can survive like this forever, does it?


User currently offlinejbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7863 times:

I'd like to see CVG - SFO/LAX. It depends on how aggressive DL would be to compete... they should be able to charge profitable fares, and I suspect that they would attract plenty of passengers.

It would come down to how many of us would forgo our skymiles. DL has flown LAX as many as 3x daily and I think SFO was 2x daily in recent years, I think both are 1x daily now


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

My initial thought was VCV, one way.

I then decided to give a bit more thought to it, and wondered if there would be any value in them flying to smaller centers in the mid/mountain west. While there would be next to no demand for their extravagant F product, I found some decent-ish sized markets where there was either no competition or the only competitor would be UA/OO.

I thinking something like:

SFO to ABQ, ELP, SAT, BOI, OMA, DSM

Maybe even LBB or ICT



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1761 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7738 times:
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I flew VX for the first time this weekend and found it had outstanding service and a great experience. Given I will need to be flying to DFW a lot more often, I intend to use them on that route. I like the idea of not just giving away first class seats. I did notice that on each flight, only one person paid full fare for first. The others (like me) paid to upgrade in the six hour window before the flight.

The whole US airline market is a bit saturated and they will need to consider some serious changes in their plan to make things work. I hope they can make it work, its a great product and a refreshing change to the legacy carriers.


User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7709 times:

Quoting as739x (Reply 12):
As I stated above, they have some labor cost issue's that are upon them already. Bad time to start screwing with juggling pilots to a new type.

Isn't most of their below wing work contracted out?


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7686 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 16):
Unless they expect some massive turn around I don't see a massive economic recovery soon enough for Virgin America I think they will need to consider a new business plan unless the investors plan on just bailing out for an unknown time period.

I agree. Fix the business plan and THEN think about expanding. Keep in mind, when a new station opens up, it comes with station start up costs. I don't think VX has that kind of money at this time.

However, I give the OP some credit: One can dream......



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User currently offlineNWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7635 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
I thinking something like:

SFO to ABQ, ELP, SAT, BOI, OMA, DSM

Maybe even LBB or ICT

Now this is where i was going with this thread. They are connecting passengers to SQ|HA & VA and unknown but i would presume possible VS at LAX & SFO so it only makes sense for atleast 1 daily (in the future) to some high-yield underserved population centers of the west. I wonder if anyone has stats on where SQ|HA|VA BEYOND passengers are actually going?


User currently onlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7571 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
I thinking something like:

SFO to ABQ, ELP, SAT, BOI, OMA, DSM

Maybe even LBB or ICT

Recipe for disaster. A319's are too big to be competitive frequency-wise and the potential connection opportunities are very limited at SFO. There is a reason why these cities have little mainline service.

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 13):
-AUS market:: I believe the saturation is not true. I for instance just had a passenger who couldnt get from PDX-AUS because DL only offered a late flight from SLC and AA was out of the way thru DFW, US and AS didnt even show up. United was rediculous in price and F9 ended up being his best option but at 343.10 to save 2 hours it wasnt worth it. Im not saying VX wouldve won this customer over but atleast they would have been an option. Besides with hubs at LAX and SFO, those two populations and the loyal VX base at both im sure need AUS and would choose VX.

How is flying PDX-DFW-AUS out of the way? Sounds like your customer is way too high-maintenance. He/She would probably complain about VX times and routings as well.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

Quoting NWADTWE16 (Reply 22):
o it only makes sense for atleast 1 daily (in the future) to some high-yield underserved population centers of the west

I'm incline to agree (which is why I suggested them!), but:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 23):
Recipe for disaster. A319's are too big to be competitive frequency-wise

This was nagging me when I was looking at it, and now think about it if UA can only manage 1-2 CRJs daily on SFO-ABQ, for example, then I think that VX's aircraft are the wrong size to make this work.

That said. DSM, for example, should be able to support 1x LAX, no?

I would suggest that OMA and BOI should be the same, even if the likes of ABQ and ELP are better left to WN and OO.



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25 Post contains images UA735WL : This problem is understandable, but are there enough passengers with this dilemma to fill another daily 319/320 from SFO? I truly believe VX could tu
26 usflyer msp : If VX wants to attract business travellers they would need to fly these routes at least 2x daily, especially since they cannot offer any connecting f
27 bobloblaw : For the same reason AS failed. The point of sale is Canada, not the USA. Thus Canadian carriers rule. AA serves the market to feed QF. I am not sure
28 san747 : VX made an operating profit this quarter. The routes themselves are making money. The big issue is that all the costs incurred with the rapid growth
29 airliner371 : I don't think its him, I think it is what you want this thread to be that is the problem. You are asking us to mention routes that VX could fly well.
30 NWADTWE16 : Plenty of the other kids came to the convo and offered up some good and some entertaining opinions. I knew going into this that there are some who si
31 panam330 : Yields notwithstanding, VX has plenty of markets to go after ex-SFO/LAX. PHX, DEN, YVR, EGE, IAH, SAT, RDU, ATL, MSY, and many more I'm sure I'm overl
32 airliner371 : Sorry if this isn't the thread of fairies and pixy dust like you want but we should look at reality, if they don't fix them selves first, what does i
33 psa1011 : It's too bad VX didn't try SAN-Mexico/Florida/East Coast/Canada. With Alaska having built up so much there I can't see much room now for VX, which doe
34 USAirALB : I think VX really needs to get their name out here on the East coast. Outside of the Northeast and a few places in Florida, VX is almost unheard of.
35 enilria : MIA-BGI MIA-SFO MIA-LAX MIA-ORD MIA-DFW MIA-SJU They need EWR slots, but I think these make more sense than JFK and that requires slots too EWR-MIA EW
36 Post contains links boeing71234567 : I could see SFO/LAX - BDL 1x daily work. There is a market for west coast travel from the Southern New England area that would be more convenient than
37 slcdeltarumd11 : Virgin America earned a $16.2 million operating profit in the third quarter of this year, but swung to a net loss of $3.3 million during the quarter.
38 enilria : This is the same argument that the F9 fanboys make. An operating profit is not a profit. It doesn't include any mortgage financing interest or debt i
39 mah4546 : AA and DL both flew LAXBDL at a time; DL last, about 2-3 years ago (and that was its second go on the route; it also flew it with Song earlier in the
40 ordjoe : The biggest problem of VX is they are going after saturated markets with an entrenched loyalty base. Just about every route I can think of is heavily
41 ERJ170 : What VX needs to realize is that the major markets areas are the east coast and the west coast with some midwest thrown in (sorry, but it's true).. T
42 slcdeltarumd11 : I would think LAX/SFO-EGE would be worth a shot. They need more seasonal routes. EGE is really the airport for both Vail and Aspen so I could see lots
43 mah4546 : Never going to work on LAXEGE. Vail Resorts basiclly banks AA's route network out of Vail. They aren't going to offer subsidies to a competitor and m
44 Post contains links lightsaber : I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks VX must strengthen their customer base at SFO and LAX before other options. It is analogous to B6 at JFK...
45 ItalianFlyer : What about business centers in Mexico like MTY, GDL or even metro Mexico City airports like QRO orPBC ?
46 MHTripple7 : SFO-TPA or SAN-TPA? I'm surprised neither have been tried before by any airline. Although TPA only has 1x daily to LAX so maybe it would be too thin.
47 usflyer msp : TZ did try SFO-PIE in the early 2000's. Did not go well....
48 Post contains images AA94 : In my opinion, VX is focusing completely on the wrong markets. With no alliance to call home and a limited number of connecting partners (really only
49 Post contains images OB1504 : Even as someone whose paycheck is largely financed by the dominant carrier at MIA, I would love to see VX set up shop down here for something other t
50 NWADTWE16 : NK bumped you to VX? Now thats a sweet turnaround, and im assuming with compensation? The routes to FLL are always full, i do wonder if moving ops to
51 Post contains images allegiantflyer : VX needs to start thinking about making hubs and focus cities outside of California,I know they want to be that California airline but to possibly mak
52 OB1504 : The minute the agent asked me "Would you like to fly on Virgin America?", I immediately said yes and didn't bother to ask for any additional compensa
53 AKLDELNonstop : I think one of the issues that VX has is the timing of some of their routes. As an example, I have to fly ORD-SFO-ORD next week (Mon-Thu). I am Exec P
54 southwest737500 : SFO-CLT LAX-CLT That would be great, give US a run for there money
55 jfk777 : Virgin wants to be the airline for Hollywood and Slicon Valley. It wants to be a "player" in the transcon market owned by AA and UA. The best strateg
56 enilria : I also think ORD is doable as a focus city for them.
57 flyguy89 : Agreed. They seem to do alright on transcons and semi-transcons from LAX and SFO where distances are longer and yields can be higher, but not so much
58 huxrules : I have always thought that VX needed to steer traffic to its larger brother virgin atlantic. Last time I checked you cant book a ticket on one to anot
59 huxrules : Actually now that I look at it I'm curious why they service DFW instead of AUS as there isn't Virgin Atlantic service there at all.
60 Post contains images NWADTWE16 : Using the 12DEC as my search..eastbound from SFO & LAX arrive at 7PM/1040PM Westbounds for 13DEC 840am LAX and 240pm SFO. Something doesnt mesh t
61 GentFromAlaska : On my last visit to London many years ago. It was apparent early on many Brits seem to like country music. I wonder if BNA-LHR might work three days a
62 Viscount724 : Also YYZ to LAX. If memory correct they operated 2 daily flights, one YYZ-LAX-SFO and the other YYZ-SFO-LAX, giving each market one daily nonstop and
63 NWADTWE16 : Failed MISERABLY eh? show us the miserable stats.. it didnt work at the time but... Toronto is a HUGE market and probably has one of the largest Corp
64 Viscount724 : Giving up so soon after starting service is a good indication that the results were much worse than expected.
65 NWADTWE16 : basically neither you nor I know the details so lets just agree that you dont know enough to decide they SHOULD NOT try it again...
66 usflyer msp : To quote the press release when VX axed YYZ after only 6 months "We would like to thank the Toronto airport and community for supporting us," Virgin
67 Mexicana757 : I think VX should have built up ORD before NK decided to open a focus city here. Its going to be kind of tough to build up a focus city with one gate
68 NWADTWE16 : Yeah VX fought hard for the ORD situation they have now so they mustve thought it would be better for business. Most business travelers except for WN
69 Mexicana757 : MDW is closer to downtown than ORD. Probably what VX is going for is the traveler in the Northwest, and Northern Burbs and businesses around that are
70 Flytravel : However, there are more hotel choices by ORD. Since VX targets the leisure traveler, it'd make more sense to fly into the bigger airport with more ho
71 FreshSide3 : There's not enough SEA-AUS.........both cities are computer and music industry capitals and have a lot of traffic from those industries.........AS ha
72 enilria : VX's brand has to be at ORD. They want business travelers. If you mean NK took gates then perhaps that is true, but NK doesn't really compete with VX
73 ERJ170 : Im going to disagree with this one. Like I said before, VX is more like a boutique airline. As such, they need more boutique routes. I don't know if
74 FreshSide3 : Key West is indeed really underserved, and it's a route that most people don't think of flying into. But avoiding the drive from MIA is a strong sell
75 Post contains images lightsaber : This is like B6 at ATL. They might return, but not to LAX (or SFO) at first. First they will have to establish service to a higher yielding mrakt. VX
76 Post contains links SANFan : Accoring to another thread, it looks like another carrier may have read part of your suggestions... JetBlue Adding 38 Workers @ BDL (by afitch7881 De
77 FreshSide3 : No, maybe JFK or ORD, perhaps. UA used to have SFO-BDL....the load factor was always low....don't think it will be any different now.
78 Polot : That depends on how VX has their A319s equipped. Remember EYW's runway is less than 5000' feet long. DL has to use the 73Gs (which they bought with s
79 SANFan : Before this discussion gets more serious, keep in mind that, as mentioned, VX does not do anyplace other than LA and SF. (Yes, I know they do one JFK
80 FreshSide3 : While on the subject of BNA, perhaps someone(though not Virgin obviously) should add a trip from YYC. There's a big country music fan base there, too
81 anrec80 : The problem with country music fans and performers is that those are close don't have much $$ to pay premium for great service. I though would like t
82 airportugal310 : You don't take criticism well, do you?
83 olddominion727 : SJC-ATL, SJC-BOS, SJC-PHL, SJC-YVR, SFO-ANC, ANC-JFK, SJC-IAD, SFO-TPA, SFO-MSY, SJC-AUS, SFO-COS, LAX-LIR, LAX-SJO, LAX-BOG, SJC-SJD, SFO-PHX, PHX-SJ
84 Flaps : As long as everyone is fantasizing: DFW-PIT 2x daily 319 IAH/PIT 2x daily 319 Although not fitting with the west coast centrism of much of their netwo
85 southwest737500 : SFO-CLT 3X LAX-SFO 2X DFW-CLT 2X
86 HiFlyerAS : Amazingly, this thread is still alive....as is VX. All this speculation is fun but they are in no position to be adding new stations or routes....it a
87 airliner371 : You have it all right! Not good at all but to be expected.[Edited 2012-12-09 17:55:24]
88 flyguy89 : Not only that, but it's also an illogical proposition that just because some city has a lot of country music fans that that translates into demand fo
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