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Viability Of Icelandair At ORD Or DFW?  
User currently offlinenomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 461 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Any chances of Icelandair back to ORD or starting DFW? ORD has pleanty of EU flights which probably hinders them in the market (they were there for ages with pleanty of military connections at KEF). DFW is almost as tough to the EU as ORD. Just thoughts.

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User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

ORD seems more logic to me (I am surprised they actually don't serve Chicago, but as you say, it is probably due to competition).

FI's destinations seem to be a) those popular for European tourists (and certainly Chicago is one of the top urban destinations in the US for Europeans; I wouldn't be surprised if it is second to NYC... which is not the case for Dallas at all), and b) those with a large potential overseas travel leisure market from the US, and my gut is that Chicagoans are more likely (and they are more) to take leisure trips to Europe than people from Dallas... and probably Texans taking holidays in Europe are less money-conscious to do a long detour via KEF.

And on top of that, KEF-ORD is a much shorter flight than KEF-DFW.

[Edited 2012-12-03 17:55:45]

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

IcelandExpress used to fly to ORD lasy season, before it was purchased by WowAir. Islandair flies to MSP and BOS outside of JFK.

User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 849 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2462 times:
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I would love to have them at DFW. It would be an inexpensive trip to Europe especially in the summer and probable an interesting stop in KEF.

User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 2):

FI flies year round to BOS, DEN, JFK and SEA, and seasonal to ANC, IAD, MSP and SFB, in addition to YHZ and YYZ in Canada.


User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 912 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 1):
(and certainly Chicago is one of the top urban destinations in the US for Europeans; I wouldn't be surprised if it is second to NYC

Is it? I read an article in the Chicago Herald-Tribune right before the NATO summit earlier this year talking about the city's attempt to boost international tourists, which were punching well below the city's weight. While it didn't break out inbound tourism by region, I'd expect Europeans to be the leading origin.

I'd expect Washington or possibly Miami to be second for European tourists.


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7541 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

I don't think it would fly at DFW. Icelandair is more of a backpackers airline and DFW isn't really a European backpacker destination nor is there a lot of tourism. It's a large international business market mostly.


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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2211 times:
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Is DFW too far for the 757? I bet KEF-DFW is longer than KEF-SEA

User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

The reason FI does not serve ORD any longer? Truth? They hired a marketing firm who told them there was no growth potential from ORD. Because every flight every day was full....... so they pulled out ........ don't get me started.


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User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 5):
Is it? I read an article in the Chicago Herald-Tribune right before the NATO summit earlier this year talking about the city's attempt to boost international tourists, which were punching well below the city's weight. While it didn't break out inbound tourism by region, I'd expect Europeans to be the leading origin.

I'd expect Washington or possibly Miami to be second for European tourists.

I don't really know, but I would say that Chicago is on the top-place-to-visit-when-in-the-US after NYC for the average European. I also feel that the type of tourism that Chicago might draw from Europe (mainly urban, cultural, young/mid-age tourism) fits pretty well within Icelandair's target. MIA maybe has more European tourists but it is a big detour via KEF and it is not necessarily the same kind of person that goes to Chicago.

Maybe the issue with Chicago is that comparatively to other major American cities, they don't receive much tourism from emerging markets (such as Latin Americans or Russians in Miami or Asians in the major West coast cities, and anyone and their mom in NYC), who nowadays tend to splurge more than cash-strapped European or Americans.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
I don't think it would fly at DFW. Icelandair is more of a backpackers airline and DFW isn't really a European backpacker destination nor is there a lot of tourism. It's a large international business market mostly.

Totally agree, I can't see the Iceland-Texas connection here to say something.


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

I could see PDX-KEF due to PDX's Alaska hub status and FI's partnership with Alaska. PDX-KEF on the 757 would work.

User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9327 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

If you ask anyone who works at Icelandair's Reykjavik or Quincy office, they'd really really really love to be serving Chicago O'Hare.


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User currently offlinejcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 487 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 8):
The reason FI does not serve ORD any longer? Truth? They hired a marketing firm who told them there was no growth potential from ORD. Because every flight every day was full....... so they pulled out ........ don't get me started.

Was this about 2-3 years ago when FI was looking to restart to ORD?


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 7):
bet KEF-DFW is longer than KEF-SEA


You are correct.

SEA (47°27'00"N 122°18'42"W) KEF (63°59'06"N 22°36'20"W) 33.2° (NE) 3622 mi

KEF (63°59'06"N 22°36'20"W) DFW (32°53'49"N 97°02'17"W) 272.6° (W) 3742 mi



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User currently offlinesfoa380 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
I don't really know, but I would say that Chicago is on the top-place-to-visit-when-in-the-US after NYC for the average European.

From the US Department of Commerce, here are the 2011 full-year statistics on in-bound travel from Europe:

This includes all segments of travel--business, pleasure, etc...

http://tinet.ita.doc.gov/outreachpag...ble/2011_Europe_Market_Profile.pdf

1. NYC - 4,874 (000)
2. LA - 1,532
3. SF - 1,469
4. Las Vegas - 1,418
5. Orlando - 1,355
6. Miami - 1,051
7. DC - 836
8. Boston - 633
9. Chicago - 595
10. San Diego - 380
11. Philadelphia - 367
12. Atlanta - 279


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