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Transaero To Launch VKO-LAX/MIA  
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32180 posts, RR: 72
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Per GDS, Transaero will launch non-stop service from Moscow Vnukovo to both Miami and Los Angeles this spring.

Twice weekly LAXVKO service will begin on 30 March 2013. LAXDME will be discontinued.

Weekly MIAVKO service begins 6 April 2013. MIADME service will be maintained at once weekly.

All VKO-U.S. flights will operate with 747-400.


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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1933 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5125 times:
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Is this the service that Transaero had originally planned with a stopover at SNN on route?

[Edited 2012-12-04 00:16:01]


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User currently offlinethenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2253 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Thread starter):
Per GDS, Transaero will launch non-stop service from Moscow Vnukovo to both Miami and Los Angeles this spring.

add to the list VKO-YYZ, VKO-EVN, VKO-FRA.

http://airlineroute.net/2012/12/04/un-vko-s13/

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 1):

Is this the service that Transaero had originally planned with a stopover at SNN on route?

No.

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User currently offlinemacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

didnt follow developments for a while. is transaero moving operations to VKO? or just part of it?


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User currently offlineAirGabon From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 865 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

Huge traffic LAX-EVN via VKO. Big Armenian diaspora in California.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

Quoting macc (Reply 3):
didnt follow developments for a while. is transaero moving operations to VKO? or just part of it?

I think its a mess.

Transaero was established at Sheremetyevo, but for commercial reasons moved much of its scheduled flying to Domodedovo. Now as its not being given any more space and its having to shift flights to Vnukovo.

It looks like the government is setting up SVO for Skyteam, DME for Star and OW, and VKO by others.

Transaero however seems to be indeed resigned on Vnukovo as I saw news a few months back they would be building a maintenance base there with hangars that could fit up to A380s.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
and VKO by others.

Isn't Vnukovo kind of becoming a Star Alliance fortress with airlines like Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines and Turkish Airlines adding/moving flights there?


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4321 times:
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I was under the impression that San Francisco had a larger population of Russians (or U.S citizens of Russsian heritage).

Why LAX when Aeroflot already flies the route and not SFO?


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32180 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
I was under the impression that San Francisco had a larger population of Russians (or U.S citizens of Russsian heritage).

Why LAX when Aeroflot already flies the route and not SFO?

UN has plans to fly to SFO; but the largest Russian communties in the U.S. are New York, LA and Miami.



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

Of the 3 Airports SVO, DME and VKO, which is the most conveinent to get into Moscow proper?

With Various routes switching over to VKO and upgaging to a 744, will this allow for the proposed SFO service to go forward with a 777 and use DME and why DME instead of VKO?



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4020 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 9):
Of the 3 Airports SVO, DME and VKO, which is the most conveinent to get into Moscow proper

Depends from where in Moscow you want to get to. Its a very big city.

All three are about 30km from the city center technically.

Sheremetyevo is to the northwest
Vnukovo is to the southwest
Domodedovo is to the southeast

All three airports have rail links to differing stations in town.

For facilities, personally I took DME to be the much better place - closer to global standards compared to dumpy SVO facilities. (never seen the new SU terminal at SVO). Never been to VKO.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Does anyone know how SU is doing on the Miami route? Mark do you know if its only seasonal, because it does not seem to go beyond March 2013.

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3236 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 11):
Does anyone know how SU is doing on the Miami route? Mark do you know if its only seasonal, because it does not seem to go beyond March 2013.

Your question was answered in the opening post:

Quoting mah4546 (Thread starter):

Weekly MIAVKO service begins 6 April 2013. MIADME service will be maintained at once weekly.


User currently offlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

I think these 747s were being refurbished here at my home town airport, MLB! Good luck on the new route!

User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 12):

Actually it was not. All Mark talked about was UN, not a word about SU and MIA.


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 8):
UN has plans to fly to SFO; but the largest Russian communties in the U.S. are New York, LA and Miami.

SFO, though, is really the true hub for Russian-Americans of the West Coast, not only geographically(altough it is that, too), but also a larger variety of Russian regions where these people are connected to. L.A. Russians mostly have some connection with Moscow, and not so much other places, at least from my experiences with L.A. Russians. Whereas S.F. has more of a spread of people from all over various regions of Russia. Plus, Chinese and Italians easily outnumber Russians in the city of San Francisco...but that's about it......it's one of the top ethnic groups there.

And recent immigrants(last 20 years or so)figure into the L.A. makeup more, whereas S.F., percentage-wise, have more people that have moved there pre-Stalin or even pre-Lenin, and a longstanding sense of community,

There's also the "invisibility" factor, due to the fact that L.A. is spread out, and not compact like SF is. Much like LA Greeks, there are probably more than the rest of the state combined......you really just don't notice it initially. You say, "yeah right" skeptically, until you see the statistics. I used to think SF had the most., too.....it's easy to assume that, given these scenerios......

Here in Seattle, it of course it is a bit more extreme, by the way.........it's mostly either Far East or Moscow, and very little in between.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
For facilities, personally I took DME to be the much better place - closer to global standards compared to dumpy SVO facilities. (never seen the new SU terminal at SVO). Never been to VKO.

From what I understand, SVO has among the highest employee theft rate of airports worldwide.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32180 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 15):
There's also the "invisibility" factor, due to the fact that L.A. is spread out, and not compact like SF is. Much like LA Greeks, there are probably more than the rest of the state combined......

There is no invisibility factor of Russians in Los Angeles. While there are obviously Russians spread out everywhere, North Hollywood is "the" Russian community.

Although in general I don't disagree with your sentiment - the more compact nature of San Fran creates more pronounced and tighter knit foreign communities even when they are typically dwarfed by the same community in Los Angeles.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Hey Mark do you know what loads are on the Miami SU flight are and if it has good yields? Also were do most of Miamis russians live?

User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 16):
There is no invisibility factor of Russians in Los Angeles. While there are obviously Russians spread out everywhere, North Hollywood is "the" Russian community.

Although in general I don't disagree with your sentiment - the more compact nature of San Fran creates more pronounced and tighter knit foreign communities even when they are typically dwarfed by the same community in Los Angeles.

I never go that part of LA when I'm down in that direction. Which can explain some of this, and really owe it to myself to go to North Hollywood next time I visit.

Quoting miaintl (Reply 17):
Hey Mark do you know what loads are on the Miami SU flight are and if it has good yields? Also were do most of Miamis russians live?

I'd like to know that, too. And also curious of how many connections to Minsk(MSQ) are off that flight.

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 4):
Huge traffic LAX-EVN via VKO. Big Armenian diaspora in California.

Not just LAX locals, either....there is SAN, SFO, and especially FAT.


User currently offlineyyzala From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

Very interesting. I wonder how the connection aspect will work. A lot of the YYZ traffic connects to ALA or TLV. Would they be bussed there now? Makes it a big inconvenience especially with the gridlock and the MKAD. It would make more sense to just move the point to point flights over to VNK...

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32180 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting miaintl (Reply 17):
Hey Mark do you know what loads are on the Miami SU flight are and if it has good yields? Also were do most of Miamis russians live?

I don't know, the route just started.

Most Russians in Miami live in the Little Moscow area of Sunny Isles Beach.

Quoting yyzala (Reply 19):
Very interesting. I wonder how the connection aspect will work. A lot of the YYZ traffic connects to ALA or TLV. Would they be bussed there now? Makes it a big inconvenience especially with the gridlock and the MKAD. It would make more sense to just move the point to point flights over to VNK...

Both Almaty and Tel Aviv are also served from VKO.


Also, the Miami flight schedule is now showing like this throughout the summer timetable in GDS:

Wednesdays operates VKO-MIA-DME.
Saturdays operate VKO-MIA-VKO.

No DME-MIA flights; only MIA-DME. Odd.



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

Do you know if SU will operate in mia during the summer season? They only go up till march so far.

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 18):
Quoting AirGabon (Reply 4):
Huge traffic LAX-EVN via VKO. Big Armenian diaspora in California.

Not just LAX locals, either....there is SAN, SFO, and especially FAT.

How specific is that traffic flow via VKO? That would seem odd as VKO hasn't been much of an intercontinental or international airport. Yerevan is well-served from all three Moscow airports, and Europe. When I went there it was through Munich in one direction and Vienna in another.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 13):

They indeed are being refurbished by Mid airr at MLB and RME.

KH



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User currently offlinemiaintl From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 979 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2824 times:

I doubt Transaero gets much transit traffic to its DME hub at least from North America. All the North American flights are poorly timed for connections so I doubt this move to VKO will change much in that respect.

Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 18):

Actually the SU flight to MIA is well timed for connections to Minsk. But in the end LH offers flights to Minsk from its FRA hub so I doubt most people in Miami would want to backtrack to SVO for connections onto Minsk.


25 BMI727 : More importantly, aren't there still Russian visa requirements that make transiting there a pain in the ass, not unlike some of America's policies?
26 Post contains images Aeroflot777 : While it hasn't necessarily been a full on international gateway in the past, VKO is in the middle of a really grand revamp. With new terminals and c
27 miaintl : Do you know how the Miami flight is preforming? Also is it only a seasonal flight because I know SU flies seasonally to many holiday destinations.
28 IndianicWorld : The musical chairs played by carriers in the last decade in Moscow has been interesting to watch. Many have moved to DME from SVO, only to now see shi
29 LAXintl : JFK is transferring to Vnukovo now also. Effective March 31st the 3x weekly DME-JFK flight will move over to VKU. Looks like basically VKU will be bas
30 mah4546 : Not quite. Because LAX will be staying at DME with this change. And MIA will be served from both - DME on Wednesdays and VKO on Saturdays.
31 redzeppelin : Used to be a bigger problem than it is now. I had a trip via DME disrupted due to this issue in 2001. I think that the three major Moscow airports no
32 mcogator : The "rich" ones do. I think the majority of them live in Hallandale Beach, and city. Some more spread out in Aventura, North Miami Beach, and Hollywo
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