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Qatar Airways Announces New Destination: Chengdu  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

According to the GDS, Effective 19 March 2013, QR will start non stop flights between Doha and Chengdu 3 times per week.


QR884 DOH - CTU 0210 1440 Tu, Th, Sa
QR885 CTU - DOH 0100 0350 We, Fr, Su

Aircraft: A330-200

This will be QRs 6th destination in China. Other operations include

PVG, PEK, CAN --- each daily with a B77W
HKG -- double daily with an A332
CKG -- 3 weekly with an A332

[Edited 2012-12-04 00:23:13]

[Edited 2012-12-04 00:24:28]


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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1921 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Awesome new, I was about to make my guess in the other thread but i read this one, anyways i was going to say BHX.. hehehehh....

Interesting to see that the plane will be 10 on ground, but i´m not sure if a tag on will make sense in this case.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2989 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

PVG, PEK, CAN have services which have the aircraft on ground for a long time. Cities like ICN, KIX and NRT also have the same pattern.


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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4204 times:

It's a great news for CTU although it's a little bit surprising because CKG is only 300km away from CTU. I thought it should be somewhere else before. CTU is really a good choice and it's the largest hub in Western China. It has more domestic connections than SHA and also a gateway to Tibet.

Here is a list of international connections for CTU.

CTU-MEL 3U 3xweekly (From Dec 27,2012)
CTU-YVR 3U 2xweekly
CTU-AMS KL 3xweekly
CTU-AUH EY 4xweekly

CTU-BOM CA 3xweekly
CTU-BLR CA 2xweekly
CTU-KHI CA 2xweekly
CTU-KTM CA 2xweekly

CTH-HAN VN 3xweekly
CTU-BKK TG 5xweekly
CTU-NRT NH 4xweekly
CTU-ICN 3U 2xweekly, OZ 4xweekly
CTU-KUL D7 4xweekly
CTU-HKT 3U 3xweekly
CTU-SIN CA 7xweekly, MI 7xweekly


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 696 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

EY, KL and now QR. CTU surely must have some demand from Europe. Isn't this the busiest airport outside the big 3 in China? Congrats to QR!

User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1921 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 2):
PVG, PEK, CAN have services which have the aircraft on ground for a long time. Cities like ICN, KIX and NRT also have the same pattern.

I know, it´s for connectivity in Doha and the arrival and departures waves.... but they could have plan a tag on if the route is not strong enough..... that´s what they have done in JNB and Maputo....


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 4):

Sri Lankan Airlines flying there too next year.


User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 4):
EY, KL and now QR. CTU surely must have some demand from Europe. Isn't this the busiest airport outside the big 3 in China? Congrats to QR!

Actually CTU is the 5th largest airport in Mainland China. Remember Shanghai has 2 airports.

Top 10 Airports Passenger Data of 2011:

1.PEK 78,674,513
2.CAN 45,040,340
3.PVG 41,447,730
4.SHA 33,112,442
5.CTU 29,073,719
6.SZX 28,245,738
7.KMG 22,270,130
8.XIY 21,163,130
9.CKG 19,052,706
10.HGH 17,512,224


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 6):

And Turkish Cargo too.


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
Interesting to see that the plane will be 10 on ground, but i´m not sure if a tag on will make sense in this case.
Quoting migair54 (Reply 5):
but they could have plan a tag on if the route is not strong enough.....

Xi'an? Xiamen? Kunming? Wonder if any of those might work.


User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 9):
Xi'an? Xiamen? Kunming? Wonder if any of those might work.

The business model of Gulf Carriers is really promising in China. Firstly, European countries are hot tourism destinations among chinese people nowadays. Secondly, there is an increasing chinese population in Middle-East and Africa where is underserved by current airlines. I hope both EK and QR can add more 2-tier destinations in China. But the biggest problem may be the traffic rights.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
QR884 DOH - CTU 0210 1440 Tu, Th, Sa
QR885 CTU - DOH 0100 0350 We, Fr, Su

That is a very inefficient schedule , effectively chewing up a whole aircraft for 3pw operations.

the eastbound schedule looks good, surprised they didn't tighten up the west to feed into the midnight DOH-Europe bank

0210 - 1440 / 2000 - 2250

it would give them the following connections:

00:10 BEY QR 420
00:25 KHI QR 318
00:30 JED QR 764
00:35 SEZ QR 702
00:40 MHD QR 494
00:45 SAH QR 454
00:55 MXP QR 35
01:00 IKA QR 484
01:00 EBB QR 538
01:05 ELQ QR 760
01:05 ZRH QR 61
01:05 JNB QR 584
01:10 DXB QR 102
01:15 BAH QR 150
01:20 FRA QR 27
01:25 OSL QR 955
01:25 NBO QR 534
01:30 MCT QR 170
01:35 DMM QR 718
01:40 MAN QR 41
01:40 ARN QR 91
01:40 SYZ QR 496
01:45 TUN QR 550
01:45 BCN QR 65
01:45 CDG QR 21
01:50 LHR QR 7
01:55 TXL QR 57
02:00 MAD QR 69
02:05 FCO QR 81
02:10 CPH QR 97
02:10 MUC QR 9
02:10 KWI QR 138
02:15 AUH QR 120
02:20 GVA QR 47
02:20 DAR QR 546
02:30 VIE QR 93
02:30 BRU QR 939


User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 3):
It's a great news for CTU although it's a little bit surprising because CKG is only 300km away from CTU

This is surprising for me too! Interesting move for sure. It is similar to LH serving both NKG and PVG.

Quoting justinlee (Reply 10):
But the biggest problem may be the traffic rights.

EK has no more traffic rights into China at the moment, but how much more can QR add before reaching their maximum traffic limit?


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

Quoting Fuling (Reply 12):
This is surprising for me too! Interesting move for sure. It is similar to LH serving both NKG and PVG.

The difference being that QR doesn't fly daily into CKG whereas LH flies already daily (and during S12 twice daily) into PVG. KL flies to both PVG and HGH for the sole reason that it already flies 10 weekly to PVG (and at the time they started HGH it was 13 weekly). Thus additional flights to PVG don't make sense if you already fly virtually 2 daily (you already have a more than perfect schedule). However, CKG is served only 3 times weekly, which is different than the reason why LH and KL fly to NKG and HGH respectively.

Quoting Fuling (Reply 12):

EK has no more traffic rights into China at the moment, but how much more can QR add before reaching their maximum traffic limit?

AFAIK China has (or at least used to have) incentive programs running for flights to secondary destinations. At the time that KL was restricted in the billateral it was very easy to get permission to fly to CTU, hence why KL started. I reckon that if QR wants to open another secondary destinatons, it can work something out with the Chinese government (AFAIK the Chinese try to lure airlines to URC, but no takers yet).

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 11):
the eastbound schedule looks good, surprised they didn't tighten up the west to feed into the midnight DOH-Europe bank

I reckon they aim at passengers between China and Africa, though Chengdu is not your typical destinations for African bound traffic.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13551 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2955 times:
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Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 4):

EY, KL and now QR.

No wonder EK is frustrated with lack of further rights into China.

Quoting Fuling (Reply 12):
EK has no more traffic rights into China at the moment, but how much more can QR add before reaching their maximum traffic limit?

Good question. Does anyone have a link?

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User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 13):
I reckon that if QR wants to open another secondary destinatons, it can work something out with the Chinese government (AFAIK the Chinese try to lure airlines to URC, but no takers yet).

Interesting, I thought URC used to have service to DXB (from a Chinese carrier), but I can't see it anymore. I think URC is more of Turkish Airlines (that has a strong presence in Central Asia), Air Arabia or FlyDubai destination (assuming Air Arabia / FlyDubai could fly there in terms of UAE-China bilateral) than the likes of EY/QR/EK (esp. EK).

URC is a particular destination within China and China-Gulf relations, because of the Turkic Muslim majority (for instance, many Chinese from that region travel to Saudi for the pilgrimage and their language/ethnicity is Turkish-related), and because from the Gulf is more of a medium-haul flight compared to the coastal cities (flying distance from Dubai to Urumqi is roughly half of that to Shanghai or Beijing).


User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 15):
Interesting, I thought URC used to have service to DXB (from a Chinese carrier), but I can't see it anymore.

In 1996, China Southern opened URC-SHJ and it's the first chinese carrier flying to the Middle East. This line worked not so good. It closed and reopened for several times...

In 2003, China Southern started URC-DXB and struggled in the crisis of Dubai in 2008. They no longer operate this line but I think the market is still there.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 16):
CZ might have been the first Chinese carrier to link URC to Middle East but it was not the first Chinese carrier to serve the regiion, CAAC holds that title, they served Sharjah, Dubai, Kuwait, Baghdad and Cairo as well as Istanbul (via URC and SHJ) if you condier it Middle East.

China Eastern was the second with Bahrain service in early 1990s, which makes China Southern the third or technically the fourth Chinese airline to enter ME if you take Air China as a seprate carrier to CAAC.

Also CZ flew Urumqi-Jeddah via SHJ for one season using 737-700 around 2005.

Quoting LJ (Reply 13):
(AFAIK the Chinese try to lure airlines to URC, but no takers yet).

How is that? since the past ten years or so just about every Chinese airline that matters is serving Urumqi, as well as Korean Air with seasonal charters, all of the regional carriers are flying there S7, Uzbekistan Airways, Air Astana, Tajik Air, Somon Air, Kyrgyzstan Avia, Ariana Afghan in the past PIA were there with A310 from Islamabad twice weekly and Kam air also operated the route seasonaly from kabul for some years as did Aeroflot way back in USSR era.

ANA and Dragonair too have done charters there.

Yes URC is more of an LCC destination from Middle East, with Saudia as the only likely major airline to fly there and that too seasonally, other major carriers could be Aeroflot and PIA return, Turkish and British Airways should BA want to expand in the region, infact they were looking through BMed doing that.

[Edited 2012-12-06 04:45:17]

User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 17):
How is that? since the past ten years or so just about every Chinese airline that matters is serving Urumqi, as well as Korean Air with seasonal charters, all of the regional carriers are flying there S7, Uzbekistan Airways, Air Astana, Tajik Air, Somon Air, Kyrgyzstan Avia, Ariana Afghan in the past PIA were there with A310 from Islamabad twice weekly and Kam air also operated the route seasonaly from kabul for some years as did Aeroflot way back in USSR era.

Here is the international flight schedule for URC this winter.

URC-Ust-Kamenogorsk 1xweekly
URC-Ulan Bator 2xweekly
URC-Kabul 1xweekly
URC-Islambad 3xweekly
URC-Osh 4xweekly
URC-Moscow 4xweekly
URC-Ashgabat 3xweekly
URC-Astana 5xweekly
URC-Almaty 14xweekly
URC-Tashkent 1xweekly
URC-Novosibirsk 5xweekly
URC-Tibilisi 1xweekly
URC-Yekaterinburg 1xweekly
URC-Khudzhand 2xweekly
URC-Tehran 1xweekly
URC-Baku 2xweekly
URC-Bishkek 8xweekly
URC-Dushanbe 4xweekly
URC-Istanbul 2xweekly


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