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LAN Colombia Receives Its First B-767-316ER  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6498 times:
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LAN Colombia recently received its first B-767-316ER which is currently undergoing certification by Colombia's Aerocivil. Initially, the introduction of the B-767-316ER will permit LAN Colombia to release some of its A320s currently used on international routes, (i.e. BOG-GRU and BOG-MIA) in order to reinforce domestic operations. LAN Colombia may first operate the B-767-316ER on the BOG-SCL route briefly for crew familiarization reasons. Next year, LAN Colombia will receive additional B-767-316ERs and is interested in launching new routes to the U.S. such as BOG-JFK and BOG-LAX. LAN Colombia also holds 11 weekly frequencies to operate the BOG-MAD route. The carrier will also receive additional A320s next year and is interested in launching routes between Medellín and the U.S.

LAN Colombia invertirá US$700 millones en 2013 en nuevas aeronaves

LAN Colombia's first B-767-316ER is CC-BDD which was delivered to LAN Airlines on 04JUNE2012 and features the new Premium Business Class and the new economy class.

CC-BDD conducting a proving flight within Colombia:


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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2393 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6484 times:

I have written about this the other day. From what we have seen in our schedule data, there are some BOG-SCL flights scheduled with it from early January: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...rate-its-b767-to-santiago-de-chile


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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8419 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6258 times:
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Can't wait to see how Avianca reacts to LAN flying to JFK and Madrid with 767 with great J class.

User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

WIth more international lift and LAN sending 767s to MIA and GRU from BOG, Will LAN beat AA to BOG-DFW and perhaps BOG-LAX? DFW would be a new station for LAN but there's been a lot of speculation about BOG and it's role as a oneworld hub. Also with lots of new international lift coming to ORD recently, do you think we'd see LA begin SCL-ORD and also connect ORD to some other South American hubs like LIM and BOG?

How many 767s will go to Columbia, and how many more will LATAM order before they switch over all orders to the 787?


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6142 times:
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Quoting mhkansan (Reply 3):
WIth more international lift and LAN sending 767s to MIA and GRU from BOG, Will LAN beat AA to BOG-DFW and perhaps BOG-LAX?

LAN Colombia plans on operating the BOG-LAX route with the B-767-316ER. LAN Colombia will join LAN Airlines and LAN Perú at LAX.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 3):
How many 767s will go to Columbia, and how many more will LATAM order before they switch over all orders to the 787?

This year LAN has received seven new B-767-316ERs: CC-CDD, CC-CDE, CC-CDF, CC-CDG, CC-CDH, CC-CDI, and CC-CDJ. Two more B-767-316ERs will join LAN's fleet this month: CC-CDK and CC-CDL. Next year LAN will receive five new B-767-316ERs.

CC-CDK at KPDX:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/planephotoman/8239672751/

LAN hasn't officially announced the total number of B-767-316ERs that will be transferred to LAN Colombia. However, it's expected that LAN Colombia will receive at least three new B-767-316ERs next year. LAN currently has two B-787s in the fleet and expects to receive its third B-787 in the coming days. Once the B-787s are deployed on the SCL-LIM-LAX route, two additional B-767-316ERs will be freed up early next year. LAN will have 16 B-787s in the fleet by 2015 with another 16 B-787s on order. Also, LAN Colombia will eventually launch routes to the U.S. from cities such as CLO, CTG, MDE etc. utilizing the A320s.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 1):
How many 767s will go to Columbia,

It´s ColOmbia. ColUmbia is in Canada.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Can't wait to see how Avianca reacts to LAN flying to JFK and Madrid with 767 with great J class

Never understood why AV decided to go angled-lie instead of lie-flat in their J class. I'm wondering how many *A carriers have lie-flat J seats, now that at least regarding Colombia-Spain, OW will offer them between BOG and MAD (IB and LA soon).

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
BOG-JFK and BOG-LAX.

Do you know when?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6026 times:
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Quoting 777jaah (Reply 5):

Quoting SCL767 (Thread starter):
BOG-JFK and BOG-LAX.

Do you know when?

No dates have been announced for the launch of those two routes. However, additional B-767-316ERs will start to arrive at BOG next March. Luckily, LAN Colombia will not have to apply for frequencies to operate to the U.S. since Open Skies between Colombia and the U.S. starts next year.


User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1945 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

@SCL767 Thanks for the link. The article of ARECOA was taken from my article posted in its original site http://envivodesdescl.blogspot.com/2...ombia-recibe-su-primer-boeing.html

For LAN Colombia fleet probably LAN would transfer at least four B767-300ER to Bogota.

Best Regards,


User currently onlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8471 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 5):

Never understood why AV decided to go angled-lie instead of lie-flat in their J class. I'm wondering how many *A carriers have lie-flat J seats, now that at least regarding Colombia-Spain, OW will offer them between BOG and MAD (IB and LA soon).

It comes down to trade-offs. Lie-flat seats allows for more seats.
I recently flew on a AF A332 in J, with lie-flat seats and judging by my uninterrupted 6+ hours of sleep I can say that lie-flat vs. full-flat makes little to no difference to me   I would rather have a forward facing lie-flat seat on AF than a backwards facing flat bed on BA, for example.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5744 times:
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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
LAN flying to JFK and Madrid with 767 with great J class.

PAX traveling between SCL and BOG on LA572/LA573 should already be familiar with the new Premium Business and economy classes; which were formally introduced with the delivery of LAN's first Dreamliner.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

Can't wait to see them flying BOG-MAD! Lower prices to Europe (not that they're astronomically high) is what we need! Also,, they need to offer a better product on BOG-GRU/MIA in order to really compete.

This is the first time a colombian airline other than Avianca flies widebodies in decades! (Last was Aerocóndor).

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 7):
For LAN Colombia fleet probably LAN would transfer at least four B767-300ER to Bogota.

Not in the first phase. LAN Colombia will have 3 767s by the end of 2013.

[Edited 2012-12-04 15:50:05]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5351 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 10):
Can't wait to see them flying BOG-MAD! Lower prices to Europe (not that they're astronomically high) is what we need! Also,, they need to offer a better product on BOG-GRU/MIA in order to really compete.

PAX will also enjoy the return of non-stop service on the BOG-LAX route as well as increased competition on the BOG-JFK route. Also, by deploying the B-767-316ERs on regional and international routes, LAN Cargo will increase its market-share in the Colombian market.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 10):
This is the first time a colombian airline other than Avianca flies widebodies in decades! (Last was Aerocóndor).

Actually LAN Cargo's Colombian affiliate Línea Aérea Carguera de Colombia S.A. operates two B-767-316F/ERs and one B-777-F16.

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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 10):

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 7):
For LAN Colombia fleet probably LAN would transfer at least four B767-300ER to Bogota.

Not in the first phase. LAN Colombia will have 3 767s by the end of 2013.

Um no. LAN Colombia technically already has one B-767-316ER. At least two more B-767-316ERs will join LAN Colombia's fleet by the end of March, 2013. LAN transfers a/c between subsidiaries in a rapid fashion when the carrier wants to grow its operations. LAN has been training BOG crews on the B-767-300ERs for months...


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Any chance to increase SFO frequencies with the new aircraft?


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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2393 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5099 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
Actually LAN Cargo's Colombian affiliate Línea Aérea Carguera de Colombia S.A. operates two B-767-316F/ERs and one B-777-F16.

Do they operate the aircraft on their own AOC or are they wet-leased from LAN Cargo?



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1945 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4946 times:

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 13):
Do they operate the aircraft on their own AOC or are they wet-leased from LAN Cargo?

LANCO operates its aircraft with its crew but sometimes Chilean pilots fly for the Colombian subsidiary.

Best regards,


User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2940 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4929 times:
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The 767 is still a beauty!

But when I see this I cant help but to think about poor Star Alliance in Brasil. Will Avianca Brasil ever have even new 767s to be an alternate to TAM or LATAM?



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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8419 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4888 times:
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Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
PAX traveling between SCL and BOG on LA572/LA573 should already be familiar with the new Premium Business and economy classes; which were formally introduced with the delivery of LAN's first Dreamliner.

Many more Colombians travel to Madrid and New York then Chile.


User currently onlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8471 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 15):
But when I see this I cant help but to think about poor Star Alliance in Brasil. Will Avianca Brasil ever have even new 767s to be an alternate to TAM or LATAM?

From what I hear TAM's domestic service is nothing to be proud of (quality wise), so I don't think *A is that worse off by having to find a different partner in Brazil.


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 682 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4741 times:
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Wonder when LAN Colombia will initiate services to Central America.


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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 10):
Can't wait to see them flying BOG-MAD! Lower prices to Europe (not that they're astronomically high) is what we need!.


Oh believe me prices are very high, at least from Northern/Central Europe to Colombia. The cheapest option from there is mostly with IB or if you want to fly via MIA. Before, AF was just a little more expensive than IB, but have increased to same price level as LH to Colombia.

Hopefully we will see fierce competition on BOG-MAD and much lower ticket prices. Though I'd wish LA would focus more on central Europe than Spain x-BOG. With IB and LA in the same alliance we can only hope they won't create a price cartel. Same can be said when AV introduces BOG-FRA with LH.

[Edited 2012-12-05 07:12:59]

User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
Actually LAN Cargo's Colombian affiliate Línea Aérea Carguera de Colombia S.A. operates two B-767-316F/ERs and one B-777-F16.

I think he meant pax wise. QT flies the 767, but again, is cargo.

Quoting troest (Reply 19):
Hopefully we will see fierce competition on BOG-MAD and much lower ticket prices.

How much lower can they go?? Is not like there's already a dominant position of carrier in the route. Even AF to CDG, they still face competition, though with a 1 stop option.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
route as well as increased competition on the BOG-JFK route

LA will have to fight with DL, UA and AV on the route. Basically, if LA starts the route daily, we could have up to 4 daily flights BOG-JFK, not bad for pax, and definetively, will keep prices affordable.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 15):
Will Avianca Brasil ever have even new 767s to be an alternate to TAM or LATAM?

AV Brasil will never have new 767s. They have ordered some 350s and probably when AV starts receiving their 787s, they coulg trasfer some 330s to AV Brasil.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Quoting troest (Reply 19):
Oh believe me prices are very high, at least from Northern/Central Europe to Colombia.

Maybe form the nordic countries, but prices are very affordable to Spain and via FRA to many countries. AV has had Colombia-MAD/BCN ticket sales for US$450 return with taxes included. That's VERY cheap.

Quoting troest (Reply 19):
Before, AF was just a little more expensive than IB, but have increased to same price level as LH to Colombia.

AF has always been the "sold out" carrier and have refused to grow capacity to BOG for years. I saw a report that they were seeing 95% load factors in J this year.

Quoting troest (Reply 19):
Hopefully we will see fierce competition on BOG-MAD and much lower ticket prices.

They won't go much lower, but we might find a lot more of those 450 USD sales throughout the year and not only during the slow season.

Quoting troest (Reply 19):
With IB and LA in the same alliance we can only hope they won't create a price cartel.

AV is a formidable competitor to Spain, and are the indisputable leaders in the market. They would have to put a hell of a fight to create a price cartel. And IB is certainly in no position to do so.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
Actually LAN Cargo's Colombian affiliate Línea Aérea Carguera de Colombia S.A. operates two B-767-316F/ERs and one B-777-F16.

Oh god I meant passenger wise. Tampa Cargo has also been operating widebodies before LANCO was even an idea.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
Um no. LAN Colombia technically already has one B-767-316ER. At least two more B-767-316ERs will join LAN Colombia's fleet by the end of March, 2013. LAN transfers a/c between subsidiaries in a rapid fashion when the carrier wants to grow its operations.

The fact is that their plan currently states 3 767s for the carrier initially. They will be all delivered by march, and they might transfer another couple, but that is not for sure.



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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 20):
How much lower can they go?? Is not like there's already a dominant position of carrier in the route. Even AF to CDG, they still face competition, though with a 1 stop option.

They could go lower at high seasons

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
Maybe form the nordic countries, but prices are very affordable to Spain and via FRA to many countries. AV has had Colombia-MAD/BCN ticket sales for US$450 return with taxes included. That's VERY cheap.

That is VERY cheap. Price average with AF and LH is US$1500 return low season from northern europe. I am aware that prices between Spain and Colombia can be very low. But that is only to the Spanish market or from Colombia to Europe, which is also fine.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):
AF has always been the "sold out" carrier and have refused to grow capacity to BOG for years. I saw a report that they were seeing 95% load factors in J this year.

I also read the article. Not sure why AF is not interested to grow capacity in BOG. Either they change the A343 to a mix of B772/3 or let KL start BOG.

[Edited 2012-12-05 08:48:55]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4229 times:
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Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 21):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 11):
Um no. LAN Colombia technically already has one B-767-316ER. At least two more B-767-316ERs will join LAN Colombia's fleet by the end of March, 2013. LAN transfers a/c between subsidiaries in a rapid fashion when the carrier wants to grow its operations.

The fact is that their plan currently states 3 767s for the carrier initially. They will be all delivered by march, and they might transfer another couple, but that is not for sure.

Initially, LAN Colombia will have at least four B-767-316ERs in its fleet including CC-BDD. LAN will receive two new B-767-316ERs this month and next year, LAN will receive five new B-767-316ERs. The SCL-LIM-LAX route will switch over to the 787s soon, thus releasing two additional B-767-316ERs.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):
Initially, LAN Colombia will have at least four B-767-316ERs in its fleet including CC-BDD. LAN will receive two new B-767-316ERs this month and next year, LAN will receive five new B-767-316ERs. The SCL-LIM-LAX route will switch over to the 787s soon, thus releasing two additional B-767-316ERs.

That's lovely, but how many of those 767s will be transferred to colombia? That's the question, and please don´t over elaborate on LA's business plan as you usually do.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3718 times:
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Quoting 777jaah (Reply 24):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):
Initially, LAN Colombia will have at least four B-767-316ERs in its fleet including CC-BDD. LAN will receive two new B-767-316ERs this month and next year, LAN will receive five new B-767-316ERs. The SCL-LIM-LAX route will switch over to the 787s soon, thus releasing two additional B-767-316ERs.

That's lovely, but how many of those 767s will be transferred to colombia?

Read the above post.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 24):
That's the question, and please don´t over elaborate on LA's business plan as you usually do.

As I stated in post 11, LAN maintains flexibility in transferring a/c between subsidiaries. I wonder why LAN ordered even more B-767-316ERs during 2011 for delivery during 2013...


User currently offlinetrent772 From Colombia, joined Oct 2012, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 25):
I wonder why LAN ordered even more B-767-316ERs during 2011 for delivery during 2013...

No need to wonder, we all know you know why.



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Quoting trent772 (Reply 26):
we all know you know why.

Ohh no!!! Are you implying he has access to insider info on LA's plans despite he constantly makes us think he's just an aviation fan?? Or as I've said it before, Corporate cheering???

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 25):
LAN maintains flexibility in transferring a/c between subsidiaries
Quoting 777jaah (Reply 24):
LAN Colombia will have at least four B-767-316ERs in its fleet including CC-BDD

One thing is at least, but nothing is certain right?? I know for certain how many planes will be delivered, but out of those, or the actual fleet, how many will be transferred to their colombian operation, is que question. There isn't much room to start with vague answers. We all know you have the answer, c'mon, share it with us.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11442 posts, RR: 58
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3113 times:
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If traffic rights and frequencies become available, MIA-BOG-Brazil could be a good alternative (as well as LAX-BOG-Brazil and even other routes). BOG is well located to be developed as a hub between Brazil and North America.


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2770 times:
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Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 1):
I have written about this the other day. From what we have seen in our schedule data, there are some BOG-SCL flights scheduled with it from early January:

LAN Colombia will launch BOG-SCL 2x weekly starting on 04JAN13. LAN Airlines will operate the SCL-BOG route 5x weekly.

LA575 BOG 15:40 SCL 23:35 B763 FR
LA575 BOG 15:45 SCL 23:40 B763 SA


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