VCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 211 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7037 times:
Was just wondering why its taking so long for LAN to launch flights to LHR. Its clearly a matter of time until that happens, but when will that be? Currently there are only non stop flights from the UK to Brazil and Argentina, but LHR can support more flight to South America for sure.
steve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 359 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6874 times:
Wait until they i) have enough B787s and ii) have absolutely totally 110% confirmed beyond all reasonable doubt that the merged LATAM will be a OneWorld group.
eu nasci ha dez mil anos atras, e nao tem nada nesse mundo que eu nao saiba demais
rutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2037 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6330 times:
Quoting VCy (Reply 2): Does it really matter if they stay in OneWorld or Star Alliance? London should have enough demand to support flights to SCL or LIM.
Might be in Oneworld but much/most of the European travel and indeed cargo is headed for Germany a port served by LAN for many many years.
Frankly and this keeps recurring UK-South America travel is historically weak, and Oneworld carriers seem quite happy to shuttle those that needs-be down to Madrid.
Even cargo as IB use an A343/346 on one flight a day and BA a 763 are specifically for the benefit of boxes/pallets.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7410 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6129 times:
Its not that the market doesn't exist but the right plane for the market was just born, the 787. It should be soon we see LAN 787 at Terminal 5 Heathrow.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8318 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6076 times:
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3): I am sure we will see LA flying SCL-LIM-LHR with 788s sooner or later.
There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights. IMO, BA needs to launch their new "trade routes" to Asia, specifically new destinations in China, before a non-stop SCL-LHR service launches in order to appeal to business pax. Business traffic between Asia and Chile has increased by 30% over the past year.
avion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5990 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7): specifically new destinations in China
Any particular destinations in mind? Great circle mapper shows that to PVG from SCL it's considerably shorter via LAN's existing destination of AKL, rather than going via LHR. Presumably someone code shares with LAN from AKL to China/ Hong Kong?
SCL-AKL-PVG: 11818 miles
SCL-LHR-PVG: 12982 miles
Even Chongqing (CKG, much further west than PVG, hence closer to Europe) is still slightly shorter via AKL, whilst Beijing is only a similar fraction shorter via LHR
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8318 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5934 times:
Quoting avion660 (Reply 8): Presumably someone code shares with LAN from AKL to China/ Hong Kong?
Destinations in southern China, which is why HKG is the perfect gateway to access those destinations. LAN code-shares on Cathay Pacific flights via AKL, JFK, LAX, and SFO. LAN also books pax onto CX/KA operated flights to mainland China via HKG.
eastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 805 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5870 times:
I rather see BA back to SCL and LIM rather than LA /LP to LHR. IMHO...
LAN carries a lot of Asian connections over AKL to feed CX. There is also the route via the USA, but SCL-AKL-HKG-PRC is apparently the preferred route among travelers between Chile and China.
Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think that even the 787 has the range to fly SCL-LHR.
avion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 196 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5846 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9): Destinations in southern China, which is why HKG is the perfect gateway to access those destinations. LAN code-shares on Cathay Pacific flights via AKL, JFK, LAX, and SFO. LAN also books pax onto CX/KA operated flights to mainland China via HKG.
Sounds a perfectly sensible routing then. The only advantage via LHR might be a direct flight from LHR to a provincial Chinese city instead of two changes, one in AKL, another in HKG. Might save some time then.
Quoting eastern023 (Reply 10): I rather see BA back to SCL and LIM rather than LA /LP to LHR. IMHO...
To SCL, I'm not sure. The less than spacious economy class (I know my place!) on a BA 747 is nothing to look forward to for that long flight!
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8318 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5795 times:
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11): LAN carries a lot of Asian connections over AKL to feed CX. There is also the route via the USA, but SCL-AKL-HKG-PRC is apparently the preferred route among travelers between Chile and China.
That is correct. LAN will increase capacity on the route once the B-787-9s are deployed on the SCL-AKL-SYD route.
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11): Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think that even the 787 has the range to fly SCL-LHR.
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1280 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5564 times:
B787 range is 8200NM and the route is only 6200NM so the plane can do Easily.
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 14): Is there any penalty for the 788 due to the distance or the height of SCL?
SCL elevation is only 1600 feet, so i don´t think they will have any weight penalty.
Now with the B787 we could see it working but the problem was that for pax connecting to Germany or some parts of Europe it was much easier to do Via MAD than LHR and for to South America SCL was not convenient at all as well, so basically they will rely on O&D traffic plus very few connecting pax.
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11): LAN carries a lot of Asian connections over AKL to feed CX. There is also the route via the USA, but SCL-AKL-HKG-PRC is apparently the preferred route among travelers between Chile and China.
it´s 1500 nm shorter and connecting in AKL must be much better than passing thru the craziness of LHR, i have never been in AKL but i have been to LHR and I´d rather avoid. Soon when Qatar join Oneworld people going to Asia will be able to connect from LAN network via GRU to Doha then a very wide network to Asia...
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8318 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5506 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 16): Now with the B787 we could see it working but the problem was that for pax connecting to Germany or some parts of Europe it was much easier to do Via MAD than LHR and for to South America SCL was not convenient at all as well, so basically they will rely on O&D traffic plus very few connecting pax.
LHR offers more connections not only to Germany; but also to a plethora of destinations compared to MAD. Also, IB's network at MAD will continue to shrink due to IAG's restructuring of the airline. The Chilean economy continues to grow and more pax are flying to Europe and beyond on AF. The SCL-MAD route caters mainly to VFR pax traveling between Spain and Chile with few connecting pax. At least AF will now deploy the B77W on the CDG-SCL route on a year-round basis...
motorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2817 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5375 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 16): SCL elevation is only 1600 feet, so i don´t think they will have any weight penalty.
Thanks for that, for some reason I had the impression the city was at a more significant altitude.
Quoting migair54 (Reply 16): it´s 1500 nm shorter and connecting in AKL must be much better than passing thru the craziness of LHR,
and
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17): LHR offers more connections not only to Germany;
AKL provides a great hub between Sth America and Asia with the CX/LA codeshares. The airport consistently wins plaudits as a facility and transport hub.
RyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 2674 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5317 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 16): i have never been in AKL but i have been to LHR and I´d rather avoid
International-International connections are a breeze at AKL. I totally understand why (other than distance) people would want to connect there rather than in the USA, where you have to clear CBP.
Boysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 888 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5162 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6): Its not that the market doesn't exist but the right plane for the market was just born, the 787. It should be soon we see LAN 787 at Terminal 5 Heathrow.
It's not just the 'right' aircraft but also which destinations make the most return per LHR slot!
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7253 posts, RR: 45 Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4758 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7): There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights.
Well, apparently, there is. As Ragazzo777 has indicated, the flight will be LIM-LHR, not SCL-LHR. Therefore, SCL-originating passengers bound for LHR, and LHR-originating passengers bound for SCL will have to make one stop at LIM. It is true that business passengers prefer nonstops, but the key issue is that sufficient demand needs to exist and, apparently, the demand for nonstop SCL-LHR service is not there. By launching LIM-LHR, LA and its affiliates will be able to offer nonstop service to LIM-LHR O&D passengers and direct one-stop service to SCL-LHR O&D passengers, pretty much like they do on LIM-SFO and LIM-IAD. I would not be surprised if LP offered single-plane and/or single-flight number service originating at SCL.
mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6211 posts, RR: 74 Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3646 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7): There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights.
Sure... But that doesn't mean there's no point in offering LIM-LHR on LAN-Peru, with good connections for LIM-SCL.
Mandala499
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25 eastern023: Traditionally European transfers originating at SCL are done at EZE, GIG but mostly GRU.
26 Viscount724: It's still better than a cramped 10-abreast AF 77W CDG-SCL.
27 SCL767: Just to clarify, LAN has not announced a LIM-LHR route nor has it applied for slots at LHR. The key purpose for a non-stop service would be connectio
28 avion660: I have only used AF 747 and ( ages ago) A310 on long haul, so cannot personally compare with the 777. The 747 seemed OK. I have 'enjoyed' TAM's 777 o
29 SCL767: LA/JJ will soon increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 9x daily to improve connections. LA/JJ has already increased frequency on the SCL-GIG rout
30 EddieDude: ... yet. LP's officer Vilches has however indicated that LIM-LHR is being planned. I think it is a matter of when, not if. Of course not. Those passe
31 RAGAZZO777: Exactly, that's what I mentioned in my previous post. The Lima-London route is being planned by LAN Perú. In any case something tells me than LAN wi
32 mandala499: I think when one refers to LAN, it is not just LAN Chile... I think LAN Peru passengers would prefer LIM-LHR than LIM-SCL-LHR. I think LIM-LHR would
33 SCL767: It's LAN Airlines. Have you ever thought that LAN Airlines may launch SCL-LHR and LAN Perú may launch LIM-LHR in the future? LAN's brand is not depe
34 mandala499: I did... Well, so? He still works for LATAM... which includes LAN and whatever else is in LAN group, no?
35 2travel2know2: Is JJ TAM still flying to LHR? Then indirectly LAN is already at LHR.
36 SCL767: Yes. LAN also code-shares on TAM's LHR services: LA6034 GRU-LHR daily B77W LA6035 LHR-GRU daily B77W LA5988 GIG-LHR 3x weekly A330 LA5989 LHR-GIG 3x
37 frigatebird: A bit off topic, but is there any chance LAN could serve AMS when they have enough 787s? Next month IB quits AMS, leaving travellers from AMS to South
38 2travel2know2: Make it LATAM BOG-AMS (if AV doesn't have the route authority already) and only the freight (flowers) could pay for the flight. No need to wait for B
39 SCL767: No need for pax flights operated by LAN. LAN Cargo and LANCO already deploy the B-777Fs on the UIO-BOG-MIA-AMS and BOG-MIA-AMS routes. That's why LAN
40 CamiloA380: SCL/LIM-LHR? I think that's something LAN should have started some time ago. LAN's presence in Europe is minimal. Yes I know SCL767, that LAN flies to
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