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Why No LAN At LHR?  
User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8288 times:
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Was just wondering why its taking so long for LAN to launch flights to LHR. Its clearly a matter of time until that happens, but when will that be? Currently there are only non stop flights from the UK to Brazil and Argentina, but LHR can support more flight to South America for sure.

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User currently offlinesteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Wait until they i) have enough B787s and ii) have absolutely totally 110% confirmed beyond all reasonable doubt that the merged LATAM will be a OneWorld group.


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User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8072 times:
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Does it really matter if they stay in OneWorld or Star Alliance? London should have enough demand to support flights to SCL or LIM.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

I am sure we will see LA flying SCL-LIM-LHR with 788s sooner or later.


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2981 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7581 times:
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Quoting VCy (Reply 2):
Does it really matter if they stay in OneWorld or Star Alliance? London should have enough demand to support flights to SCL or LIM.

Might be in Oneworld but much/most of the European travel and indeed cargo is headed for Germany a port served by LAN for many many years.

Frankly and this keeps recurring UK-South America travel is historically weak, and Oneworld carriers seem quite happy to shuttle those that needs-be down to Madrid.

Even cargo as IB use an A343/346 on one flight a day and BA a 763 are specifically for the benefit of boxes/pallets.


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7403 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
I am sure we will see LA flying SCL-LIM-LHR with 788s sooner or later.

LAN Perú stated earlier this year that it intends to open up London with the Boeing 787 in due course.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 8326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7380 times:
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Its not that the market doesn't exist but the right plane for the market was just born, the 787. It should be soon we see LAN 787 at Terminal 5 Heathrow.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7327 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
I am sure we will see LA flying SCL-LIM-LHR with 788s sooner or later.

There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights. IMO, BA needs to launch their new "trade routes" to Asia, specifically new destinations in China, before a non-stop SCL-LHR service launches in order to appeal to business pax. Business traffic between Asia and Chile has increased by 30% over the past year.


User currently offlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7241 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
specifically new destinations in China

Any particular destinations in mind? Great circle mapper shows that to PVG from SCL it's considerably shorter via LAN's existing destination of AKL, rather than going via LHR. Presumably someone code shares with LAN from AKL to China/ Hong Kong?

SCL-AKL-PVG: 11818 miles
SCL-LHR-PVG: 12982 miles

Even Chongqing (CKG, much further west than PVG, hence closer to Europe) is still slightly shorter via AKL, whilst Beijing is only a similar fraction shorter via LHR

edited to get my east and west correct!

[Edited 2012-12-04 12:39:45]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7185 times:
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Quoting avion660 (Reply 8):
Presumably someone code shares with LAN from AKL to China/ Hong Kong?

Destinations in southern China, which is why HKG is the perfect gateway to access those destinations. LAN code-shares on Cathay Pacific flights via AKL, JFK, LAX, and SFO. LAN also books pax onto CX/KA operated flights to mainland China via HKG.


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7121 times:

I rather see BA back to SCL and LIM rather than LA /LP to LHR. IMHO...


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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5394 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

Quoting avion660 (Reply 8):

LAN carries a lot of Asian connections over AKL to feed CX. There is also the route via the USA, but SCL-AKL-HKG-PRC is apparently the preferred route among travelers between Chile and China.

Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think that even the 787 has the range to fly SCL-LHR.



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User currently offlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Destinations in southern China, which is why HKG is the perfect gateway to access those destinations. LAN code-shares on Cathay Pacific flights via AKL, JFK, LAX, and SFO. LAN also books pax onto CX/KA operated flights to mainland China via HKG.

Sounds a perfectly sensible routing then. The only advantage via LHR might be a direct flight from LHR to a provincial Chinese city instead of two changes, one in AKL, another in HKG. Might save some time then.

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 10):
I rather see BA back to SCL and LIM rather than LA /LP to LHR. IMHO...

To SCL, I'm not sure. The less than spacious economy class (I know my place!) on a BA 747 is nothing to look forward to for that long flight!


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7046 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
LAN carries a lot of Asian connections over AKL to feed CX. There is also the route via the USA, but SCL-AKL-HKG-PRC is apparently the preferred route among travelers between Chile and China.

That is correct. LAN will increase capacity on the route once the B-787-9s are deployed on the SCL-AKL-SYD route.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think that even the 787 has the range to fly SCL-LHR.

Yes, the B-787-8 can absolutely fly the route.


User currently onlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3186 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7001 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
Yes, the B-787-8 can absolutely fly the route.

Is there any penalty for the 788 due to the distance or the height of SCL?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6961 times:
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Quoting motorhussy (Reply 14):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
Yes, the B-787-8 can absolutely fly the route.

Is there any penalty for the 788 due to the distance or the height of SCL?

Nope. The B-787-8 is the perfect a/c for the SCL-LHR route.


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

B787 range is 8200NM and the route is only 6200NM so the plane can do Easily.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 14):
Is there any penalty for the 788 due to the distance or the height of SCL?

SCL elevation is only 1600 feet, so i don´t think they will have any weight penalty.

Now with the B787 we could see it working but the problem was that for pax connecting to Germany or some parts of Europe it was much easier to do Via MAD than LHR and for to South America SCL was not convenient at all as well, so basically they will rely on O&D traffic plus very few connecting pax.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
LAN carries a lot of Asian connections over AKL to feed CX. There is also the route via the USA, but SCL-AKL-HKG-PRC is apparently the preferred route among travelers between Chile and China.

it´s 1500 nm shorter and connecting in AKL must be much better than passing thru the craziness of LHR, i have never been in AKL but i have been to LHR and I´d rather avoid. Soon when Qatar join Oneworld people going to Asia will be able to connect from LAN network via GRU to Doha then a very wide network to Asia...


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6757 times:
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Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
Now with the B787 we could see it working but the problem was that for pax connecting to Germany or some parts of Europe it was much easier to do Via MAD than LHR and for to South America SCL was not convenient at all as well, so basically they will rely on O&D traffic plus very few connecting pax.

LHR offers more connections not only to Germany; but also to a plethora of destinations compared to MAD. Also, IB's network at MAD will continue to shrink due to IAG's restructuring of the airline. The Chilean economy continues to grow and more pax are flying to Europe and beyond on AF. The SCL-MAD route caters mainly to VFR pax traveling between Spain and Chile with few connecting pax. At least AF will now deploy the B77W on the CDG-SCL route on a year-round basis...


User currently onlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3186 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6626 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
SCL elevation is only 1600 feet, so i don´t think they will have any weight penalty.

Thanks for that, for some reason I had the impression the city was at a more significant altitude.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
it´s 1500 nm shorter and connecting in AKL must be much better than passing thru the craziness of LHR,

and

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
LHR offers more connections not only to Germany;

AKL provides a great hub between Sth America and Asia with the CX/LA codeshares. The airport consistently wins plaudits as a facility and transport hub.



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User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5394 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6568 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
i have never been in AKL but i have been to LHR and I´d rather avoid

International-International connections are a breeze at AKL. I totally understand why (other than distance) people would want to connect there rather than in the USA, where you have to clear CBP.



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 937 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6413 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
Its not that the market doesn't exist but the right plane for the market was just born, the 787. It should be soon we see LAN 787 at Terminal 5 Heathrow.

It's not just the 'right' aircraft but also which destinations make the most return per LHR slot!


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7571 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights.

Well, apparently, there is. As Ragazzo777 has indicated, the flight will be LIM-LHR, not SCL-LHR. Therefore, SCL-originating passengers bound for LHR, and LHR-originating passengers bound for SCL will have to make one stop at LIM. It is true that business passengers prefer nonstops, but the key issue is that sufficient demand needs to exist and, apparently, the demand for nonstop SCL-LHR service is not there. By launching LIM-LHR, LA and its affiliates will be able to offer nonstop service to LIM-LHR O&D passengers and direct one-stop service to SCL-LHR O&D passengers, pretty much like they do on LIM-SFO and LIM-IAD. I would not be surprised if LP offered single-plane and/or single-flight number service originating at SCL.



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

The SCL-LHR market is already covered by GRU and MAD, no need to make a detour through LIM. Enough said.

User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

SCL767 - do you know how many pax go SCL-LHR? Not sure if you have such stats.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
At least AF will now deploy the B77W on the CDG-SCL route on a year-round basis...

and how is AF doing? 77W says it all but curious if anyone knows the LF.


User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6841 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights.

Sure... But that doesn't mean there's no point in offering LIM-LHR on LAN-Peru, with good connections for LIM-SCL.   

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25 eastern023 : Traditionally European transfers originating at SCL are done at EZE, GIG but mostly GRU.
26 Viscount724 : It's still better than a cramped 10-abreast AF 77W CDG-SCL.
27 SCL767 : Just to clarify, LAN has not announced a LIM-LHR route nor has it applied for slots at LHR. The key purpose for a non-stop service would be connectio
28 avion660 : I have only used AF 747 and ( ages ago) A310 on long haul, so cannot personally compare with the 777. The 747 seemed OK. I have 'enjoyed' TAM's 777 o
29 SCL767 : LA/JJ will soon increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 9x daily to improve connections. LA/JJ has already increased frequency on the SCL-GIG rout
30 EddieDude : ... yet. LP's officer Vilches has however indicated that LIM-LHR is being planned. I think it is a matter of when, not if. Of course not. Those passe
31 RAGAZZO777 : Exactly, that's what I mentioned in my previous post. The Lima-London route is being planned by LAN Perú. In any case something tells me than LAN wi
32 Post contains images mandala499 : I think when one refers to LAN, it is not just LAN Chile... I think LAN Peru passengers would prefer LIM-LHR than LIM-SCL-LHR. I think LIM-LHR would
33 SCL767 : It's LAN Airlines. Have you ever thought that LAN Airlines may launch SCL-LHR and LAN Perú may launch LIM-LHR in the future? LAN's brand is not depe
34 mandala499 : I did... Well, so? He still works for LATAM... which includes LAN and whatever else is in LAN group, no?
35 2travel2know2 : Is JJ TAM still flying to LHR? Then indirectly LAN is already at LHR.
36 SCL767 : Yes. LAN also code-shares on TAM's LHR services: LA6034 GRU-LHR daily B77W LA6035 LHR-GRU daily B77W LA5988 GIG-LHR 3x weekly A330 LA5989 LHR-GIG 3x
37 frigatebird : A bit off topic, but is there any chance LAN could serve AMS when they have enough 787s? Next month IB quits AMS, leaving travellers from AMS to South
38 2travel2know2 : Make it LATAM BOG-AMS (if AV doesn't have the route authority already) and only the freight (flowers) could pay for the flight. No need to wait for B
39 SCL767 : No need for pax flights operated by LAN. LAN Cargo and LANCO already deploy the B-777Fs on the UIO-BOG-MIA-AMS and BOG-MIA-AMS routes. That's why LAN
40 Post contains images CamiloA380 : SCL/LIM-LHR? I think that's something LAN should have started some time ago. LAN's presence in Europe is minimal. Yes I know SCL767, that LAN flies to
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