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Why No LAN At LHR?  
User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8256 times:
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Was just wondering why its taking so long for LAN to launch flights to LHR. Its clearly a matter of time until that happens, but when will that be? Currently there are only non stop flights from the UK to Brazil and Argentina, but LHR can support more flight to South America for sure.

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User currently offlinesteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 400 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8093 times:

Wait until they i) have enough B787s and ii) have absolutely totally 110% confirmed beyond all reasonable doubt that the merged LATAM will be a OneWorld group.


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User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8040 times:
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Does it really matter if they stay in OneWorld or Star Alliance? London should have enough demand to support flights to SCL or LIM.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7727 times:

I am sure we will see LA flying SCL-LIM-LHR with 788s sooner or later.


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2963 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7549 times:
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Quoting VCy (Reply 2):
Does it really matter if they stay in OneWorld or Star Alliance? London should have enough demand to support flights to SCL or LIM.

Might be in Oneworld but much/most of the European travel and indeed cargo is headed for Germany a port served by LAN for many many years.

Frankly and this keeps recurring UK-South America travel is historically weak, and Oneworld carriers seem quite happy to shuttle those that needs-be down to Madrid.

Even cargo as IB use an A343/346 on one flight a day and BA a 763 are specifically for the benefit of boxes/pallets.


User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
I am sure we will see LA flying SCL-LIM-LHR with 788s sooner or later.

LAN Perú stated earlier this year that it intends to open up London with the Boeing 787 in due course.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8288 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7348 times:
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Its not that the market doesn't exist but the right plane for the market was just born, the 787. It should be soon we see LAN 787 at Terminal 5 Heathrow.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8757 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7295 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 3):
I am sure we will see LA flying SCL-LIM-LHR with 788s sooner or later.

There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights. IMO, BA needs to launch their new "trade routes" to Asia, specifically new destinations in China, before a non-stop SCL-LHR service launches in order to appeal to business pax. Business traffic between Asia and Chile has increased by 30% over the past year.


User currently offlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
specifically new destinations in China

Any particular destinations in mind? Great circle mapper shows that to PVG from SCL it's considerably shorter via LAN's existing destination of AKL, rather than going via LHR. Presumably someone code shares with LAN from AKL to China/ Hong Kong?

SCL-AKL-PVG: 11818 miles
SCL-LHR-PVG: 12982 miles

Even Chongqing (CKG, much further west than PVG, hence closer to Europe) is still slightly shorter via AKL, whilst Beijing is only a similar fraction shorter via LHR

edited to get my east and west correct!

[Edited 2012-12-04 12:39:45]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8757 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7153 times:
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Quoting avion660 (Reply 8):
Presumably someone code shares with LAN from AKL to China/ Hong Kong?

Destinations in southern China, which is why HKG is the perfect gateway to access those destinations. LAN code-shares on Cathay Pacific flights via AKL, JFK, LAX, and SFO. LAN also books pax onto CX/KA operated flights to mainland China via HKG.


User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

I rather see BA back to SCL and LIM rather than LA /LP to LHR. IMHO...


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5204 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7066 times:

Quoting avion660 (Reply 8):

LAN carries a lot of Asian connections over AKL to feed CX. There is also the route via the USA, but SCL-AKL-HKG-PRC is apparently the preferred route among travelers between Chile and China.

Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think that even the 787 has the range to fly SCL-LHR.



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User currently offlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7065 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Destinations in southern China, which is why HKG is the perfect gateway to access those destinations. LAN code-shares on Cathay Pacific flights via AKL, JFK, LAX, and SFO. LAN also books pax onto CX/KA operated flights to mainland China via HKG.

Sounds a perfectly sensible routing then. The only advantage via LHR might be a direct flight from LHR to a provincial Chinese city instead of two changes, one in AKL, another in HKG. Might save some time then.

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 10):
I rather see BA back to SCL and LIM rather than LA /LP to LHR. IMHO...

To SCL, I'm not sure. The less than spacious economy class (I know my place!) on a BA 747 is nothing to look forward to for that long flight!


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8757 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7014 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
LAN carries a lot of Asian connections over AKL to feed CX. There is also the route via the USA, but SCL-AKL-HKG-PRC is apparently the preferred route among travelers between Chile and China.

That is correct. LAN will increase capacity on the route once the B-787-9s are deployed on the SCL-AKL-SYD route.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think that even the 787 has the range to fly SCL-LHR.

Yes, the B-787-8 can absolutely fly the route.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3139 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6969 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
Yes, the B-787-8 can absolutely fly the route.

Is there any penalty for the 788 due to the distance or the height of SCL?



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8757 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6929 times:
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Quoting motorhussy (Reply 14):

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 13):
Yes, the B-787-8 can absolutely fly the route.

Is there any penalty for the 788 due to the distance or the height of SCL?

Nope. The B-787-8 is the perfect a/c for the SCL-LHR route.


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6783 times:

B787 range is 8200NM and the route is only 6200NM so the plane can do Easily.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 14):
Is there any penalty for the 788 due to the distance or the height of SCL?

SCL elevation is only 1600 feet, so i don´t think they will have any weight penalty.

Now with the B787 we could see it working but the problem was that for pax connecting to Germany or some parts of Europe it was much easier to do Via MAD than LHR and for to South America SCL was not convenient at all as well, so basically they will rely on O&D traffic plus very few connecting pax.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
LAN carries a lot of Asian connections over AKL to feed CX. There is also the route via the USA, but SCL-AKL-HKG-PRC is apparently the preferred route among travelers between Chile and China.

it´s 1500 nm shorter and connecting in AKL must be much better than passing thru the craziness of LHR, i have never been in AKL but i have been to LHR and I´d rather avoid. Soon when Qatar join Oneworld people going to Asia will be able to connect from LAN network via GRU to Doha then a very wide network to Asia...


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8757 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6725 times:
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Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
Now with the B787 we could see it working but the problem was that for pax connecting to Germany or some parts of Europe it was much easier to do Via MAD than LHR and for to South America SCL was not convenient at all as well, so basically they will rely on O&D traffic plus very few connecting pax.

LHR offers more connections not only to Germany; but also to a plethora of destinations compared to MAD. Also, IB's network at MAD will continue to shrink due to IAG's restructuring of the airline. The Chilean economy continues to grow and more pax are flying to Europe and beyond on AF. The SCL-MAD route caters mainly to VFR pax traveling between Spain and Chile with few connecting pax. At least AF will now deploy the B77W on the CDG-SCL route on a year-round basis...


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3139 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
SCL elevation is only 1600 feet, so i don´t think they will have any weight penalty.

Thanks for that, for some reason I had the impression the city was at a more significant altitude.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
it´s 1500 nm shorter and connecting in AKL must be much better than passing thru the craziness of LHR,

and

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
LHR offers more connections not only to Germany;

AKL provides a great hub between Sth America and Asia with the CX/LA codeshares. The airport consistently wins plaudits as a facility and transport hub.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5204 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6536 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 16):
i have never been in AKL but i have been to LHR and I´d rather avoid

International-International connections are a breeze at AKL. I totally understand why (other than distance) people would want to connect there rather than in the USA, where you have to clear CBP.



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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 935 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6381 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
Its not that the market doesn't exist but the right plane for the market was just born, the 787. It should be soon we see LAN 787 at Terminal 5 Heathrow.

It's not just the 'right' aircraft but also which destinations make the most return per LHR slot!


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5977 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights.

Well, apparently, there is. As Ragazzo777 has indicated, the flight will be LIM-LHR, not SCL-LHR. Therefore, SCL-originating passengers bound for LHR, and LHR-originating passengers bound for SCL will have to make one stop at LIM. It is true that business passengers prefer nonstops, but the key issue is that sufficient demand needs to exist and, apparently, the demand for nonstop SCL-LHR service is not there. By launching LIM-LHR, LA and its affiliates will be able to offer nonstop service to LIM-LHR O&D passengers and direct one-stop service to SCL-LHR O&D passengers, pretty much like they do on LIM-SFO and LIM-IAD. I would not be surprised if LP offered single-plane and/or single-flight number service originating at SCL.



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User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

The SCL-LHR market is already covered by GRU and MAD, no need to make a detour through LIM. Enough said.

User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5574 times:

SCL767 - do you know how many pax go SCL-LHR? Not sure if you have such stats.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
At least AF will now deploy the B77W on the CDG-SCL route on a year-round basis...

and how is AF doing? 77W says it all but curious if anyone knows the LF.


User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6769 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights.

Sure... But that doesn't mean there's no point in offering LIM-LHR on LAN-Peru, with good connections for LIM-SCL.   

Mandala499



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User currently offlineeastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Traditionally European transfers originating at SCL are done at EZE, GIG but mostly GRU.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24906 posts, RR: 22
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

Quoting avion660 (Reply 12):
The less than spacious economy class (I know my place!) on a BA 747 is nothing to look forward to for that long flight!

It's still better than a cramped 10-abreast AF 77W CDG-SCL.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8757 posts, RR: 5
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3560 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 21):
Well, apparently, there is. As Ragazzo777 has indicated, the flight will be LIM-LHR, not SCL-LHR.

Just to clarify, LAN has not announced a LIM-LHR route nor has it applied for slots at LHR.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 21):
Therefore, SCL-originating passengers bound for LHR, and LHR-originating passengers bound for SCL will have to make one stop at LIM. It is true that business passengers prefer nonstops, but the key issue is that sufficient demand needs to exist and, apparently, the demand for nonstop SCL-LHR service is not there.

The key purpose for a non-stop service would be connections. A SCL-LIM-LHR route would not appeal to pax wishing to make connections via LHR since it would require two stops. A SCL-LHR route would open up a plethora of new connections via LHR for LAN passengers.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 21):
By launching LIM-LHR, LA and its affiliates will be able to offer nonstop service to LIM-LHR O&D passengers and direct one-stop service to SCL-LHR O&D passengers, pretty much like they do on LIM-SFO and LIM-IAD.

There is limited O&D traffic between LON and LIM. A LIM-LHR route would be geared towards connections via LHR. Also, the GRU-LIM-SFO route does not focus on O&D passengers traveling between LIM and SFO. LAN does not operate into IAD.

Quoting eastern023 (Reply 25):
Traditionally European transfers originating at SCL are done at EZE, GIG but mostly GRU.

TAM deploys the B77W daily on the GRU-SCL route for a specific reason. LAN offers connections between SCL and CDG, FRA, LHR, MAD, and MXP via the GRU hub on TAM.

[Edited 2012-12-05 17:58:51]

User currently offlineavion660 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 26):
It's still better than a cramped 10-abreast AF 77W CDG-SCL.

I have only used AF 747 and ( ages ago) A310 on long haul, so cannot personally compare with the 777. The 747 seemed OK. I have 'enjoyed' TAM's 777 on SCL-GRU-LHR and yes, that was a squeeze. Personally I'll be sad to see the LA A340 go: I was thinking of their 2-4-2 arrangement which I have found rather pleasant.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
TAM deploys the B77W daily on the GRU-SCL route for a specific reason. LAN offers connections between SCL and CDG, FRA, LHR, MAD, and MXP via the GRU hub on TAM.

For LHR passengers, if you can, it's much better to get on LA704 and change in Madrid. I have only had long connections in GRU with TAM, and frankly, making international connections using GRU's limited facilities is not an attractive option. By limited I mean; a few tiny coffee bars, a few expensive gift shops, a tiny bar and about three massive jewellery shops air-side in international (T1?).


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8757 posts, RR: 5
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3345 times:
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Quoting avion660 (Reply 28):
For LHR passengers, if you can, it's much better to get on LA704 and change in Madrid. I have only had long connections in GRU with TAM, and frankly, making international connections using GRU's limited facilities is not an attractive option.

LA/JJ will soon increase frequency on the SCL-GRU route to 9x daily to improve connections. LA/JJ has already increased frequency on the SCL-GIG route to improve connections. GRU will open a brand new terminal in a couple years. Also, LAN will open new direct flights between SCL and Europe via both GRU and GIG as LAN receives more 787s and will fly alongside TAM to Europe via Brazil.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
Just to clarify, LAN has not announced a LIM-LHR route nor has it applied for slots at LHR.

... yet. LP's officer Vilches has however indicated that LIM-LHR is being planned. I think it is a matter of when, not if.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
The key purpose for a non-stop service would be connections. A SCL-LIM-LHR route would not appeal to pax wishing to make connections via LHR since it would require two stops. A SCL-LHR route would open up a plethora of new connections via LHR for LAN passengers.

Of course not. Those passengers originating in SCL that need to go to European destinations not served by LA nonstop from SCL can connect at MAD on IB flights or, now, at GRU on JJ flights (to the extent the relevant destination is served by JJ nonstop from GRU). That has never been the point of my posts though.
Let's wait for LP to launch LIM-LHR first. A LA SCL-LHR nonstop might or might not happen afterwards.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
There is limited O&D traffic between LON and LIM.

And so is between LON and SCL. A plus that LIM has going for it is that several mineral resources companies focused on Peru are listed on the London Stock Exchange.



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User currently offlineRAGAZZO777 From Uruguay, joined Jul 2010, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 30):
LP's officer Vilches has however indicated that LIM-LHR is being planned. I think it is a matter of when, not if.

Exactly, that's what I mentioned in my previous post. The Lima-London route is being planned by LAN Perú. In any case something tells me than LAN will eventually operate both LIM-LON and SCL-LON as those are two missing links in the Oneworld network.

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User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6769 posts, RR: 76
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
The key purpose for a non-stop service would be connections. A SCL-LIM-LHR route would not appeal to pax wishing to make connections via LHR since it would require two stops. A SCL-LHR route would open up a plethora of new connections via LHR for LAN passengers.

I think when one refers to LAN, it is not just LAN Chile... I think LAN Peru passengers would prefer LIM-LHR than LIM-SCL-LHR.   

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 30):
LP's officer Vilches has however indicated that LIM-LHR is being planned. I think it is a matter of when, not if.
Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 31):
Exactly, that's what I mentioned in my previous post. The Lima-London route is being planned by LAN Perú. In any case something tells me than LAN will eventually operate both LIM-LON and SCL-LON as those are two missing links in the Oneworld network.

I think LIM-LHR would do great to reduce LAN brand's dependency on LAN Chile to provide for connections outside the region. It would also provide that area of South America with access to Europe on LAN group... which could make Avianca have a more difficult time. Unfortunately, there are users who are simply 'blind fanboys' of LAN Chile and make LAN sound like an aviation colonization of Latin America by Chile rather than a group of airlines using a Chilano brand. I'd rather believe Senor Vilches thanks...

Saying that there is "no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights" seems to contradict someone's repeated mentions of opportunities via LIM from South America with LAN... Sorry, it just sounds to condescending towards the Peruvians. Simply saying that the 787 is probably the most suited aircraft for SCL-LHR, and that LAN is receiving those slowly, would sound a lot more objective instead of 'blaming/bashing' on other stuff.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8757 posts, RR: 5
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2657 times:
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Quoting mandala499 (Reply 32):
I think when one refers to LAN, it is not just LAN Chile...

It's LAN Airlines.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 32):
I think LAN Peru passengers would prefer LIM-LHR than LIM-SCL-LHR.

Have you ever thought that LAN Airlines may launch SCL-LHR and LAN Perú may launch LIM-LHR in the future?

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 32):
I think LIM-LHR would do great to reduce LAN brand's dependency on LAN Chile to provide for connections outside the region.

LAN's brand is not dependent on LAN Airlines. LAN is also recognized as a strong brand in Argentina, Ecuador, and Perú. LAN is also building its brand in Colombia. LATAM's affiliates in Ecuador and Perú continue to reinforce frequencies in the domestic and international markets and has opened new routes.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 32):
I'd rather believe Senor Vilches thanks...

Mr. Vilches no longer works for LAN Perú. He is now the general manager for long-haul operations for LATAM Airlines.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 32):
Saying that there is "no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights" seems to contradict someone's repeated mentions of opportunities via LIM from South America with LAN... Sorry, it just sounds to condescending towards the Peruvians.

That's just a ridiculous statement. Simply use the search feature to see how many threads have been created discussing LAN Perú!


User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6769 posts, RR: 76
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 33):
Have you ever thought that LAN Airlines may launch SCL-LHR and LAN Perú may launch LIM-LHR in the future?

I did...

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 24):
But that doesn't mean there's no point in offering LIM-LHR on LAN-Peru, with good connections for LIM-SCL.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 33):
Mr. Vilches no longer works for LAN Perú. He is now the general manager for long-haul operations for LATAM Airlines.

Well, so? He still works for LATAM... which includes LAN and whatever else is in LAN group, no?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Is JJ TAM still flying to LHR?
Then indirectly LAN is already at LHR.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8757 posts, RR: 5
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2344 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 35):
Is JJ TAM still flying to LHR?
Then indirectly LAN is already at LHR.

Yes. LAN also code-shares on TAM's LHR services:
LA6034 GRU-LHR daily B77W
LA6035 LHR-GRU daily B77W
LA5988 GIG-LHR 3x weekly A330
LA5989 LHR-GIG 3x weekly A330


User currently onlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1573 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

A bit off topic, but is there any chance LAN could serve AMS when they have enough 787s? Next month IB quits AMS, leaving travellers from AMS to South America solely in the hands of AF/KL. And Skyteam doesn't have much of a presence in South America, so I think there could be a market for LAN in AMS. Perhaps not from SCL, but LIM could certainly be viable. I know KL already serves LIM, but the fares are sky high. Perhaps LAN could offer better pricing and better connections, there is enough demand from the Netherlands for that part of South America IMHO.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 37):
Perhaps not from SCL, but LIM could certainly be viable. I know KL already serves LIM, but the fares are sky high. Perhaps LAN could offer better pricing and better connections, there is enough demand from the Netherlands for that part of South America IMHO.

Make it LATAM BOG-AMS (if AV doesn't have the route authority already) and only the freight (flowers) could pay for the flight. No need to wait for B787.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8757 posts, RR: 5
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2272 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 38):
Make it LATAM BOG-AMS (if AV doesn't have the route authority already) and only the freight (flowers) could pay for the flight. No need to wait for B787.

No need for pax flights operated by LAN. LAN Cargo and LANCO already deploy the B-777Fs on the UIO-BOG-MIA-AMS and BOG-MIA-AMS routes. That's why LANCO just received the B-777F.


User currently offlineCamiloA380 From Sweden, joined Feb 2008, 486 posts, RR: 25
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

SCL/LIM-LHR? I think that's something LAN should have started some time ago. LAN's presence in Europe is minimal. Yes I know SCL767, that LAN flies to MAD and FRA this and that amount of times per week plus the codeshares so don't reply what we already know.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights.

LIM-LHR should work better than SCL-LHR, but the later one should be doable with codeshare on BA's flights to Scandinavia. Many Chileans here.  
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
IMO, BA needs to launch their new "trade routes" to Asia, specifically new destinations in China, before a non-stop SCL-LHR service launches in order to appeal to business pax. Business traffic between Asia and Chile has increased by 30% over the past year.

Don't blame it on BA. You have repeatedly said that the connection to Asia from SCL is best via AKL and HKG with LAN.
Business pax prefer non-stop flights? That's just generally speaking, there are airlines that have a lot of business traffic even when there are others that fly nonstop, think EK, QR, EY...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
LAN has not announced a LIM-LHR route nor has it applied for slots at LHR.

Well, we have heard that they are interested in launching LHR, duh.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 33):
It's LAN Airlines.

Oh come on, this is a forum not an airline-advertising website.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 33):
Have you ever thought that LAN Airlines may launch SCL-LHR and LAN Perú may launch LIM-LHR in the future?

Well you said....

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 7):
There's no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights.

as well as...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
LAN has not announced a LIM-LHR route nor has it applied for slots at LHR.

Either you are trolling or you can't decide which side to pick.

Quoting mandala499 (Reply 32):
Saying that there is "no point in opening a direct service between SCL and LHR via LIM instead of a non-stop service since business pax prefer non-stop flights" seems to contradict someone's repeated mentions of opportunities via LIM from South America with LAN... Sorry, it just sounds to condescending towards the Peruvians. Simply saying that the 787 is probably the most suited aircraft for SCL-LHR, and that LAN is receiving those slowly, would sound a lot more objective instead of 'blaming/bashing' on other stuff.

Exactly!

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 33):
LAN is also recognized as a strong brand in Argentina, Ecuador, and Perú. LAN is also building its brand in Colombia.

With your attitude, no wonder most people in any of those countries, don't feel like LAN XX is from their country.  
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 33):
Mr. Vilches no longer works for LAN Perú. He is now the general manager for long-haul operations for LATAM Airlines.

No one said he was, he still works for LATAM so, yet again, duh.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 33):
That's just a ridiculous statement. Simply use the search feature to see how many threads have been created discussing LAN Perú!

Actually *this* statement is ridiculous (or worse). If you are going to reply like this then let me tell you...I like apples because my bike is blue. Now, did that make sense? No, exactly.



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