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Which Will Fly First, CS100 Or A359?  
User currently offlineDash9 From Canada, joined Nov 2008, 212 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3307 times:

As the title says, since there are those two development running in parallel, what's your thoughts on which will fly first?

The Bombardier CS100 was supposed to fly by year end but then the Airbus A350-900 flying prototype was seen rolled out first today.

-Dash9

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7944 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks ago) and read 3256 times:

Quoting Dash9 (Thread starter):
The Bombardier CS100 was supposed to fly by year end but then the Airbus A350-900 flying prototype was seen rolled out first today.

The first flying A350 is still in the FAL?

I know the Static test frame was rolled out to be transferred to a different building.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
I know the Static test frame was rolled out to be transferred to a different building.

That was the first A350 that will fly, not the static test frame.

I haven't been following the C-series production all that much. When is it scheduled to have its first flight?

[Edited 2012-12-04 18:55:02]

User currently offlineDash9 From Canada, joined Nov 2008, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks ago) and read 3175 times:

CS100 was poised to fly by year end but a few weeks ago BBD admitted up to a 6 months delay so they are now targeting June 2013.

source: http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...s-first-flight-eis-six-months-1108

That being said someone else at BBD (can't remember name or source I'll look for it...) recently said it could be quite early in 2013. One thing is sure we have yet to see a full CS100 with wings so far, even tough the static is fully assembled and flight test vehicle #1 (FTV1) is well under way.

This will be a tight race. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to see one or both at the Paris air show!

-Dash9


User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks ago) and read 3146 times:

Quoting Dash9 (Reply 3):
That being said someone else at BBD (can't remember name or source I'll look for it...) recently said it could be quite early in 2013. One thing is sure we have yet to see a full CS100 with wings so far, even tough the static is fully assembled and flight test vehicle #1 (FTV1) is well under way.

This will be a tight race. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to see one or both at the Paris air show!

-Dash9

I can't wait! I just love BBD aircraft. This one is going to be a beauty.



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User currently offlineBD500 From Canada, joined Feb 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Quoting Dash9 (Reply 3):
That being said someone else at BBD (can't remember name or source I'll look for it...) recently said it could be quite early in 2013.

It was Chet Fuller, senior vice president for Bombardier Commercial Aircraft.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...w-bombardier-idUSLNE8AD01920121114


User currently offlineDash9 From Canada, joined Nov 2008, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Quoting BD500 (Reply 5):
It was Chet Fuller

Thanks! I've been searching through my aviation news/blog site looking for the source but it was nowhere to be found.


User currently offlinekaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Right now the A350 seems to be a couple of weeks ahead of the CS100. But due to the size and bigger complexity of the A350, I think it will take longer to complete than the CSeries.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13520 posts, RR: 100
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
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Quoting Dash9 (Reply 3):
This will be a tight race. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to see one or both at the Paris air show!

That I would hope for, but not expect as the risk is too high.


Either way, it is two new aircraft I am excited about!   


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting Dash9 (Thread starter):
Airbus A350-900 flying prototype was seen rolled out first today.

That wasn't a proper roll-out, as the aircraft is far from ready. It was more like transfering the aircraft from one stall to another


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2771 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

The race is on and if all goes to plan they may end up flying within few weeks of each other. Both are targeting first flight in 1H 2013, the sooner the better. And both have the common incentive of Le Bourget in june (while I don't expect a visit of the aircraft, it is a big marketing boost to have a flying test frame to talk about at the show - particularly for the CSeries).

Quoting Polot (Reply 2):
I know the Static test frame was rolled out to be transferred to a different building.

That was the first A350 that will fly, not the static test frame.

Both statements are correct. The static test frame is complete and has been moved to the static tests facility. MSN1 is structurally complete and has been moved to the next FAL station for further equipping.

On the BBD side, IIRC the static frame fuselage is complete, no wings yet, and FTV1 is underway but progress not known.

It will be an interesting de facto "race", even if both aircraft models are not racing each other in the market.


User currently offlineswallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

At least the A359 has had a "roll-out" and power on which the CS100 has not [as far as is publicly known].

In the race to first flight, the A359 could be said to be in front of the CS100 by a short head



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Look for the C Series to have wings next week if all goes well

User currently offlineDash9 From Canada, joined Nov 2008, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

when is the last time we had two concurrent programs being developed in parallel and that both served the same market? L1011 and DC9?

User currently onlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1223 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Quoting Dash9 (Thread starter):
As the title says, since there are those two development running in parallel, what's your thoughts on which will fly first?

The Bombardier CS100 was supposed to fly by year end but then the Airbus A350-900 flying prototype...

The first 787-8 without the need for extensive re-work.

I'm kidding!


User currently offlinehOMSaR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Quoting Dash9 (Reply 13):
when is the last time we had two concurrent programs being developed in parallel and that both served the same market? L1011 and DC9?

I don't think those served the same market. Perhaps you meant DC10?

I don't recall how concurrent they were, but the MD-11 and A330/A340 were developed close to each other, with the 777 coming a few years later.

Coming up, you'll have the 737MAX and A320neo running more or less neck-and-neck, though neither of them are brand new designs.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

I think with the revised schedule, BBD gave themselves more than enough buffer space. They want to be confident (and so do their customers) that the revised schedule will be met. A revisit of the 787 is not acceptable. I am optimistic that the CS100 prototype will be rolled out by February and FF perhaps in late April/early May.

Whether it can get to Paris is another issue and entirely dependent on flight test progress. But it would be sweet to see it there.



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User currently offlineDash9 From Canada, joined Nov 2008, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting hOMSaR (Reply 15):
I don't think those served the same market. Perhaps you meant DC10?

my bad, of course i meant DC10.


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