Luxair From Luxembourg, joined Jan 2001, 743 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5884 times:
A couple of minutes ago I heard on the dutch radio about a close call between a KLM and Garuda plane. As i was driving my car, i didn't got the whole story but as far as I understood they where separated about 15 sec. It would be interesting to know where it happened! Maybe somebody got more info and share it with us. Thx gr
factsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 320 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5346 times:
This loss-of-separation incident happened on Tuesday 13 November just north of Amsterdam Airport where the parallel approaches to Runways 18R and 18C commence.
At 07.44 hours a GARUDA A330-200 operating DXB-AMS (approaching from the East) and a KLM B737-800 operating LHR-AMS (approaching from the West), came to within 1km horizontally of eachother - 15 seconds flying - at a height of 625 meters.The two aircraft were carrying a total of 500 passengers.
Analysis by the Dutch Transport Safety Board of the flight data indicates that the GARUDA aircraft was 300m below the requested height and was about to intercept the ILS of Runway 18R, instead of runway 18C, thus entering the approach path of the KLM aircraft. Possibly the GARUDA pilots were intending an approach to runway 18R though this was assigned to the KLM B737.
The two aircraft observed eachother in time and continued a parallel landing on their intended runways without further incident.
JCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 208 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1609 times:
Now there is audio recording by a local newspaper. Recording starts 3m37s. After that traffic control apologies in Dutch and states "that it was for sure not intented like this".
mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6180 posts, RR: 74 Reply 4, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1447 times:
Oh dear... that recording, tells a heck of a lot when combined with the track plots.
KLM92Z would have been OK initially but fearing traffic conflict, his turn to 160 was revised to left to 360, and then revised again to 160 for approach 18R...
Why GIA88 was cleared to descend to 2000 is also a concern... mind you, traffic for 18R was clear a few minutes earlier. Then it was cleared to turn left to 200 to intercept the ILS.
GIA88 then asked if they were cleared for 18C, had the traffic insight, but appeared unaware that they passed the localizer, and was given vectors heading 160 to get back to the localizer 18C.
The two aircraft were on different frequencies and on 2 different ATCOs... I guess the investigation would ask why GIA88 was descended to 2000 and why was it allowed to transgress towards 18R for that much until someone told him what was going on... and of course, how the heck did he transgress over 800m to the west...
This is an interesting case to study!
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