parapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1973 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11039 times:
Busy times for the 333.We have just heared of a further improvement in terms of fuel /range.This itself comes on top of Airbus' announcement that they are looking ar potentially putting 320 style sharklets onto the wing tips.(plus 4% sfc?)
In a seperate thread it is being debated how long it will be before the -10 will take over this marketplace (a decade?). But then..
A third thread starts suggesting that the -10 is not going to be aimed at this sector at all! But a major re engineering exercise.With additional undercarriage and strengthening and thus fuel, targeting directly the 359 (777-200er) market. (Unless they are considering 2 versions one a simple stretch and one with the major changes?)
Either way none of this is happening any time soon. So I guess we will see more of these types of order in the future as the 333 has this market segment to itself right now .
"[Airbus] said that Chinese deals for A330s and A380s were being affected by the European position."
Does this mean we can expect a follow on order for more A380s in the near future? 5 aircraft is quite a small subfleet and the growth in China can surely handle it. This has probably been discussed before, but just thought I'd mention it, now its looking more likely.
Any other Chinese carriers likely candidates for the A380?
scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3447 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10100 times:
Quoting bthebest (Reply 3): Any other Chinese carriers likely candidates for the A380?
I would of thought that CZ is most likely to top-up as, as you say, 5 is a small sub-fleet. With lots of carriers in SE Asia now operating the A380 I suspect that all of the big Chinese carriers will be placing orders over the coming years.
There was talk of "at least 30 orders for the A330" beign stalled by this row so there could be another 20 orders coming soon for the A330 as well.
bestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 8192 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4881 times:
I am a happy frequent flyer with Hainan group, an excellent bunch of Chinese carriers.
HX has precious little feed from HKG and no alliance feed either. This and a seriously top notch competitor with Jet Star arriving shortly results in market fragmentation. The airline has also announced a return to focus on Intra Asian routes - perfect for an A320/330 fleet.
China Long Haul will be a huge market, but how many of the new routes are anywhere near profitable?
CX is so entrenched in HK it is VERY difficult to compete with them. For many HK resident CX is their default option for travel. It will take more than just a few A380s.
China is a huge market but I am now pessimistic over the prospect of A380s in China. I have always said we will not see dedicated A380 fleet running intra-China services. CZ's various intra-China A380 services were losing them a lot of money even though the LF was good. The CAN-LAX service was reportedly doing well but I think it will be a long while before CZ think about a top up. CA has 748i, 77W and A350 on order, MU has a MOU/LOI for 20 77Ws. I think we are not going to see another A380 order from Mainland China for the foreseeable future.