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Any Mass Transit Plan For LGA?  
User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

Considering that many New Yorkers don't have a car, it's always a pain to go to LGA. JFK and EWR are kind of linked by mass transit so it's ok. LGA is a different story. Living in Uptown now, the distance to LGA is actually less than 10 miles but if we go by M60 bus, it's always a long ride. So cab is the only choice.

I will always book a limo if i had some early flights before. But during the week after Hurricane Sandy, I met a huge problem because my previous limo driver didn't work for the shortage of gas. Then I realized how fragile and unreliable this transportation is. I am just wondering why there is no plan for any mass transit linking LGA. The LIRR and subway line 7 station is only 1 mile away but no one seems to be interested in connecting them to LGA? So weird!

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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1568 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Construction of new transit in New York generally takes forever, so don't hold your breath. Also, track building is *pricy*.
However, LGA's transit opttions are often quicker than JFK/EWR from much of the city - the M60 is pretty quick from the N in Astoria, and other buses from Jackson Heights. I think there's been occasional talk of building an AirTrain-like line from the 7 out to LGA.



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9501 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5003 times:

Quoting justinlee (Thread starter):
. The LIRR and subway line 7 station is only 1 mile away but no one seems to be interested in connecting them to LGA? So weird!

Because there's greater interest in the taxes brought in from taxi, limo, and car service fares.



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User currently offlineBKflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

The MTA and NYCDOT just recently proposed several "Select Bus Service" Routes to LaGuardia from various parts of the city. SBS is New York's version of bus rapid transit.

http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/pdf/LGASBSmap.pdf


User currently offlineRamblinMan From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4693 times:

Quoting justinlee (Thread starter):
if we go by M60 bus, it's always a long ride. So cab is the only choice.

Oh come on it's not THAT bad.

Quoting BKflyguy (Reply 3):
The MTA and NYCDOT just recently proposed several "Select Bus Service" Routes to LaGuardia from various parts of the city. SBS is New York's version of bus rapid transit.

Probably all you're gonna get anytime soon. The political will it takes to build new rail lines these days is almost impossible.


User currently offlinecorinthians From United States of America, joined May 2008, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4667 times:

It will never happen. You can’t build the subway in that area because it’s too densely populated. Building it underground will cause havoc and the residents will complain about the noise if they use elevated tracks. And there are no major roads from Roosevelt Station in Jackson Heights and Woodside LIRR station which you can on top of, like with the Van Wick to JFK. So, you can’t really build an Airtrain.

And I don’t know if I agree that LGA’s public transit options are quicker. The Q33 bus from Jackson Heights is really slow. M60 isn’t so great from any point, especially if you originate in Manhattan. I work in Midtown and when I fly after work. It’s usually quicker for me to get to JFK or EWR from my office than to LGA because the former two have train service and the bus and car options are slow, especially if traffic is bad.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9501 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4583 times:

The easiest way to LaGuardia from Manhattan at certain times of the day is the N/Q to Astoria Blvd, then transfer to the M60 or take a cab from there. A number of cabs close to shift change will not take you to an airport. If you're already across the river, different story.

The M60 bus takes minutes from Astoria Blvd and runs very frequently.



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User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

THere are some cities where I gladly take a subway line to the airport, but New York is not one of them. The airtrain links to JFK and Newark are OK, but even those are a bit complicated if you don't live in New York. Any subway/bus combination is a big problem because most subway stations involve stairs, and the buses are not baggage friendly.

User currently offlinempdpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 998 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

Quoting aklrno (Reply 7):
buses are not baggage friendly.

This right here sums up the biggest issue with mass transit at airports. Even at DCA which is probably the best system out there, it is a struggle if you have more than carry ons.



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User currently offlineflyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):
Because there's greater interest in the taxes brought in from taxi, limo, and car service fares.

  

Youll never see direct rail linking LGA. The taxi unions/lobby are too powerful.

I would love to see a direct link from LGA-JFK to allow for domestic pax to connect int'l, but that is a wild pipe dream.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3098 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Quoting BKflyguy (Reply 3):
The MTA and NYCDOT just recently proposed several "Select Bus Service" Routes to LaGuardia from various parts of the city. SBS is New York's version of bus rapid transit.

This seems like a no-brainer.



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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

The biggest problems I find with the M60 bus are as follows:

1) Pax not using the luggage racks they added
2) Too many stops (esp going across 125th). Leads to far too many people using it as a cross town ride rather than an airport route.
3) Too much tolerance for double parking (on 125th and Astoria Blvd). Delays traffic and slows down the bus.

The N train is no help if you are north of Central Park (as I am).

Buses that run non-stop from LGA to the 7 and N would help many people.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1928 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4015 times:
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I always take the bus from Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Train station and I find that the ride is usually unaffected by traffic as the bus travels down mostly side streets and it takes about 20 min from train to Central Terminal.


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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3599 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):
Because there's greater interest in the taxes brought in from taxi, limo, and car service fares.
Quoting flyby519 (Reply 9):
Youll never see direct rail linking LGA. The taxi unions/lobby are too powerful.

This is totally untrue.

This is a rumor invented by airline crew.

As a New Yorker and an airline crewmember, I have heard it several times and I laugh each time.

Most cabbies hate going to the airport because to pick up another fare, they need to get in a long line.

There are/were several obstacles to the train to the plane at both JFK and LGA, the "taxi lobby" wasn't one of them.

600 million was set aside by Mayor Guiliani to extend the N to LGA. It was to extend down the Grand Central Pkwy to LGA much like the AirTain at JFK.

After 9/11, the funds were diverted to rebuild transit near the WTC.

The new mayor, Mayor Bloomberg, and the MTA have embarked on subway expansion within Manhattan: a new 2 Ave line to open in 2019, and the 7 train extension to the west side/Hudson Yards to open next year.

Both those projects are way more expensive than the link to LGA would be...but they are the priority for the current administration.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):
600 million was set aside by Mayor Guiliani to extend the N to LGA. It was to extend down the Grand Central Pkwy to LGA much like the AirTain at JFK.

After 9/11, the funds were diverted to rebuild transit near the WTC.

Pataki diverted the funds to the LIRR's East Side Access project.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):
The new mayor, Mayor Bloomberg, and the MTA have embarked on subway expansion within Manhattan: a new 2 Ave line to open in 2019, and the 7 train extension to the west side/Hudson Yards to open next year.

Both those projects are way more expensive than the link to LGA would be...but they are the priority for the current administration

Bloomberg also wanted to continue the 7 Train Extension to New Jersey,

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...ubway_to_nj_iA2sZ3IMDdLKJYx7XCxGSI

Shows you how low a priority rail service to LGA is when the Mayor would rather have the subway go to New Jersey then to LGA.



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User currently offlinecorinthians From United States of America, joined May 2008, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
Bloomberg also wanted to continue the 7 Train Extension to New Jersey,

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...ubway_to_nj_iA2sZ3IMDdLKJYx7XCxGSI

Shows you how low a priority rail service to LGA is when the Mayor would rather have the subway go to New Jersey then to LGA.

And the reason for that is because your boneheaded governor decided that an additional Hudson River tunnel would be a “waste of funds”. 7-Train extension to Jersey, as stupid as it is, would just be a fall-back plan for additional Jersey access.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting corinthians (Reply 15):
And the reason for that is because your boneheaded governor decided that an additional Hudson River tunnel would be a “waste of funds”. 7-Train extension to Jersey, as stupid as it is, would just be a fall-back plan for additional Jersey access.

The Governor of New Jersey would be a genius if he got New York to pay for a new rail tunnel for New Jersey commuters, otherwise I agree.

[Edited 2012-12-06 06:47:30]


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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9501 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):
This is totally untrue.

You don't spend much time at City Hall, do you?

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):
Most cabbies hate going to the airport because to pick up another fare, they need to get in a long line.

No. Most cabbies hate going to the airport because they don't want to be stuck in traffic and miss their shift change. Come to midtown between 3 and 6 and try to get a cab to the airport.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):
600 million was set aside by Mayor Guiliani to extend the N to LGA. It was to extend down the Grand Central Pkwy to LGA much like the AirTain at JFK.

That's a nice thought but $600 million wouldn't have gotten the N past 34th street.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 13):
The new mayor, Mayor Bloomberg, and the MTA have embarked on subway expansion within Manhattan: a new 2 Ave line to open in 2019, and the 7 train extension to the west side/Hudson Yards to open next year.

These projects were in development years before Bloomberg took office.



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User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3599 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

1. Do you?

2. So we agree that cabbies are not fond of airport work.

3. The N needed to run from 31 street to lga in queens down the gcp and in the late 90s 600 million funded the scope of the project?

4. The 7 train was funded by city bonds by bloomberg. Just proposed before he took office.
2 ave line was started and stopped 40 years ago. Work resumed after bloomberg took office in the early 2000s.

The mayor and mta set the vision. LGA rail connection is not a priority for him. He would rather get the 7 to the west side and start a new business district (hudson yards which broke ground 2 days ago) than use those funds to extend the N to lga. Payoff and legacy is bigger on the west side.

Lets see what Christine Quinn ( likely next mayor) does


User currently offlineryanov From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Quoting corinthians (Reply 15):
And the reason for that is because your boneheaded governor decided that an additional Hudson River tunnel would be a “waste of funds”. 7-Train extension to Jersey, as stupid as it is, would just be a fall-back plan for additional Jersey access.

He's wrong nearly 100% of the time (and this time I don't believe to be necessarily different), but the plan as envisioned was sub-par. The Macy's basement thing instead of more capacity for the Amtrak tunnels was shortsighted. That said, I didn't hear that as his rationale.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 12):
I always take the bus from Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Train station and I find that the ride is usually unaffected by traffic as the bus travels down mostly side streets and it takes about 20 min from train to Central Terminal.

This indeed is the way to go. There are two buses if I recall correctly (Q33 and Q42 is it?). I have gone that way and taken the M60 at other times (though perhaps never all the way to LGA) and the experience from Roosevelt was better. My bus did, however, have to go out of service when a teenager kicked the glass out of the door when the drive told him he wouldn't be waiting for his friend several blocks away. Still made it in plenty of time though.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9501 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 18):

1. Do you?

Swing by the office.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 18):
2. So we agree that cabbies are not fond of airport work.

I never said that. Cab drivers are not fond of going anywhere that's going to delay their shift change.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 18):
3. The N needed to run from 31 street to lga in queens down the gcp and in the late 90s 600 million funded the scope of the project?

If you knew anything about construction and industrials, you would know there is no way $600 million would even cover taking the N off of 31 street and sending it down the GCP any further than 2 blocks.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 18):
4. The 7 train was funded by city bonds by bloomberg. Just proposed before he took office.
2 ave line was started and stopped 40 years ago. Work resumed after bloomberg took office in the early 2000s.

Yes. You are correct...work *resumed* during the Bloomberg tenure. That's it.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 18):
The mayor and mta set the vision. LGA rail connection is not a priority for him. He would rather get the 7 to the west side and start a new business district (hudson yards which broke ground 2 days ago) than use those funds to extend the N to lga. Payoff and legacy is bigger on the west side.

Again, the 7 Extension has been in the works for a loooong time.



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User currently offlinecorinthians From United States of America, joined May 2008, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting ryanov (Reply 19):
He's wrong nearly 100% of the time (and this time I don't believe to be necessarily different), but the plan as envisioned was sub-par. The Macy's basement thing instead of more capacity for the Amtrak tunnels was shortsighted. That said, I didn't hear that as his rationale.

I was actually a big fan of his until he cancelled the project. He gladly accepted federal funds for it and took his sweet time returning that money. I have no idea what the status of that is because the Feds sued NJ to get their money back.

Quoting ryanov (Reply 19):
This indeed is the way to go. There are two buses if I recall correctly (Q33 and Q42 is it?). I have gone that way and taken the M60 at other times (though perhaps never all the way to LGA) and the experience from Roosevelt was better. My bus did, however, have to go out of service when a teenager kicked the glass out of the door when the drive told him he wouldn't be waiting for his friend several blocks away. Still made it in plenty of time though.

I lived in Jackson Heights for five years. The buses are the Q33 and Q47. The Q47 only goes to the Marine Air Terminal and not the others. I actually used to take the Q47 to the subway station (opposite direction, of course!) every morning back when I lived there. Anyways, traffic along those routes isn’t good. The Q33 goes along Roosevelt all the way to 82nd St. and then goes northward there. Both roads have bad traffic much of the time. It takes a lot longer than it really should considering the distance.


User currently offlinejetstar From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1661 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2543 times:
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It would not be difficult to build an Airtrain from the #7 line station and the LIRR train station next to CitiField,

The tracks could go through or around the edge of CitiField’s parking lot and then right over the Grand Central Parkway directly to the airport, no need to tear down any buildings or tear up any side streets or even have to purchase any real estate, the city already owns all this property.

JetStar


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

The new mayor, Mayor Bloomberg, and the MTA have embarked on subway expansion within Manhattan: a new 2 Ave line to open in 2019

Which will be 100 years after it was first proposed.
And then there's the connection between the 63rd Street tunnel and the Queens Boulevard mainline, which opened around a decade ago. It took seven years to dig 1,500 feet of tunnel.
The point is that even if the city decides to build a subway link to LGA, the time frame for its construction will be so long as to render the whole idea essentially meaningless.



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9501 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting jetstar (Reply 22):
It would not be difficult to build an Airtrain from the #7 line station and the LIRR train station next to CitiField,

Why yes, yes it would.



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25 JBAirwaysFan : IIRC, Air Train JFK was constructed to make JFK competitive to LGA since it is not as close to the city as LGA. LGA doesn't have a rail link like JFK
26 rwy04lga : A rail link between the N line at Astoria Blvd, following the GCP to LGA, continuing to Willets Point on the 7 train should solve the problem. LGA wou
27 Post contains links STT757 : Unfortunately the resources just aren't there for a project like Transit to LGA, which makes perfect sense. The Port Authority has historically been t
28 jfklganyc : So are you saying you work at city hall and the TLC is a driving force against a train link? I have never heard or read such ideas. If you have, and
29 stlgph : As I said, swing by the office.
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