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Allegiant To Start Service From Reno  
User currently offlinemark8762 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 132 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Here is part of the official press release


ALLEGIANT ANNOUNCES NONSTOP, LOW-COST TRAVEL BETWEEN
RENO AND LAS VEGAS WITH $49.99* INTRODUCTORY ONE-WAY FARES

RENO, Nev. (Dec. 5, 2012) — Allegiant (NASDAQ: ALGT) announces today new, nonstop jet service between Reno and Las Vegas beginning Feb. 1, 2013. The company, known for its exceptional travel deals, will introduce the new service with fares as low as $49.99* one way.

“We are pleased to announce an affordable and convenient travel option for residents of Reno,” said Andrew C. Levy, Allegiant Travel Company President. “We are confident this community will appreciate our affordable, nonstop service to Las Vegas, as well as take advantage of the value of booking hotel rooms, car rentals and attractions through us."

The new flights will operate twice weekly between Reno-Tahoe International Airport (RNO) and McCarran International Airport (LAS) beginning Feb.1, 2013.

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User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

...Interesting. Especially given that WN has 10x daily on this route--although the lowest WN fare is $95.

User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Interesting pick, not sure how well they'll actually do. They are lower than WN ($95/ow), but only 2 flights a week isn't really going to compete. I guess they could be setting RNO up for additional service to other cities.


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User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

I am no Ms. Cleo, but could this be a way for G4 to ferry jets to RNO for charters they run out of there and not do it at a total loss?

Either way, it will be nice for someone to give WN a run for their $ on that route.



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User currently offlinemark8762 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting KLASM83 (Reply 3):
I am no Ms. Cleo, but could this be a way for G4 to ferry jets to RNO for charters they run out of there and not do it at a total loss?

G4 hasnt done any charter work in RNO for a long time other than for the University of Nevada, and those are only once or twice a year.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

I've seen RNO as a potential HNL route for G4. The current number of Hawaii bound passengers out of Reno is similar to the numbers at EUG and BOI.

Maybe that will follow after they get established.



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2223 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Wasnt RNO at one time a G4 focus city of some sorts? I'm pretty sure they used to fly BLI-RNO at one point. Im wondering if this is some sort of way to get back into the market. RNO could be seen as a destination in itself with the casinos and Lake Tahoe nearby

User currently offlinerw717 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Back in the day when I worked for QQ this route had quite a bit of college students going back and forth between UNLV and UNR. It's a great way for the students to come home for the weekend although the ancillary revenue will probably be pretty low, but it is nice to see another airline on the route. A little off subject but I remember in the early 80's when Eastern was the only airline on the route with 757's if I remember correctly.


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 6):
Wasnt RNO at one time a G4 focus city of some sorts? I'm pretty sure they used to fly BLI-RNO at one point. Im wondering if this is some sort of way to get back into the market. RNO could be seen as a destination in itself with the casinos and Lake Tahoe nearby

RNO-BLI ended in May 2009 after starting in May 2007.

Going way back to 2000 when Allegiant was trying to be just another low-cost startup, G4 operated several RNO routes including FAT-RNO and PDX-RNO.

G4 did operate RNO-LAS for a few weeks in late 2000 before filing for the bankruptcy that led to Gallagher taking over and revising the business plan to the current focus on vacation package travel.



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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 829 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

What's the point? Twice a week for a 45 minute flight? This has to be down-time for an aircraft being positioned to do something else out of RNO.

User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Perhaps it is a start for RNO to become a focus city, Lake Tahoe, gambling, and ski resorts near by. I am aware G4 lost charter work to IFP correct? So why not start something in RNO... I see AZA being next followed by BLI and maybe a successful out station like FAR,FSD,SGF,or CID.


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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 978 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

Reno seems like a natural extension for Allegiant's business model. I can definitely see low frequency service between RNO smaller cities in the Mountain West and/or Midwest offering vacation packages at a slightly lower price point than packages to LAS.


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2885 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 11):
Reno seems like a natural extension for Allegiant's business model. I can definitely see low frequency service between RNO smaller cities in the Mountain West and/or Midwest offering vacation packages at a slightly lower price point than packages to LAS.

I don't see any carriers do9ing very well bringing people to Reno, since LAS & RNO just can't be compared fairly. Even the Slver Legacy is a bit worn around the edges.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 5):
I've seen RNO as a potential HNL route for G4. The current number of Hawaii bound passengers out of Reno is similar to the numbers at EUG and BOI.

Maybe that will follow after they get established.

When read the thread title, I was fully expecting the route to be HNL, Saw 2 G4 757's at HNL yesterday afternoon, they look pretty sharp, I'm afraid 5+ hours on them would be much like flying with NK, a cramped and horrid experience.



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2223 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 12):

I don't see any carriers do9ing very well bringing people to Reno, since LAS & RNO just can't be compared fairly. Even the Slver Legacy is a bit worn around the edges.

I don't know about that, I think if its done right they could be successful...people love to gamble, and perhaps they would chose a change of scenery by going to Reno instead of Vegas. Nearby Lake Tahoe could also be another big draw. Reno Air was pretty successful there, I could see Allegiant being too.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2707 times:

Awesome news! Cant wait

User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2668 times:

Seems they would have announced both LAS & HNL at the same time for RNO, as they did @ BOI. Will be interesting to watch and see what happens with the RNO experiment. Wishing G4 success!

AAflyguy


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2648 times:

Great news for Reno Airport! Seems they have been hit pretty hard over the last few years with redux in flights and cx and it's nice to see some positive things happening there again. Best wishes to all involved with this move by G4!

bb


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 13):
I don't know about that, I think if its done right they could be successful...people love to gamble, and perhaps they would chose a change of scenery by going to Reno instead of Vegas. Nearby Lake Tahoe could also be another big draw. Reno Air was pretty successful there, I could see Allegiant being too.

The thing about Reno is price-point when it comes to gambling and eating. The last time I was in Vegas, I had a heck of time to find a $5 blackjack table......all those were full, and there were plenty of $25 tables with open seats. So people are resigned to goint to the slots.....which are generally tighter than Reno's. Bottom line is, people want to play and have a good time, win or lose. In essence, more "bang for the buck".

Lots of complaints about food in Vegas, too. The buffets at the casinos have really jacked up the prices, even in mid-week. It's gotten to the point to charging almost the same as a "premium" meal. It's still reasonable in Reno. I'd like to see them succeed in getting more people over.


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2467 times:
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Quoting FreshSide3 (Reply 17):
The thing about Reno is price-point when it comes to gambling and eating. The last time I was in Vegas, I had a heck of time to find a $5 blackjack table......all those were full, and there were plenty of $25 tables with open seats. So people are resigned to goint to the slots
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 12):
I don't see any carriers do9ing very well bringing people to Reno, since LAS & RNO just can't be compared fairly. Even the Slver Legacy is a bit worn around the edges.

Reno reminds me of Laughlin - the red headed step child of Las Vegas. They are much cheaper and have to be to compete. I would expect most people to think of Vegas and not many of Reno for vacation ideas unless they are some what geographically close to Reno (such as Sacramento, Boise, etc). I've seen publications on Las Vegas where the amount of money people spend in the city for people who fly vs. drive is staggering.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 8):
Going way back to 2000 when Allegiant was trying to be just another low-cost startup, G4 operated several RNO routes including FAT-RNO and PDX-RNO.

Allegiant also ran TVL-FAT & TVL-LAS on DC-9's in the late 90's. TVL has had loads of non-stop destinations in the past and most of them didn't stick long.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 10):
I am aware G4 lost charter work to IFP correct? So why not start something in RNO

Republic has picked that up with E190's.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 5):
I've seen RNO as a potential HNL route for G4. The current number of Hawaii bound passengers out of Reno is similar to the numbers at EUG and BOI.

Maybe that will follow after they get established.

That would be my best guess. The aircraft is currently scheduled as an MD-80 but could easily be switched. I don't see why else they would fly 2x weekly LAS-RNO with WN at 10x daily and no RNO charter work.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Thinking more about this, yes, LAS seems like a fairly unlikely destination from RNO for G4. I would think almost any other "hub" would make more sense. Therefore, this move does seem to be a set-up for something else down the line...

bb


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 18):
Allegiant also ran TVL-FAT & TVL-LAS on DC-9's in the late 90's. TVL has had loads of non-stop destinations in the past and most of them didn't stick long.

AirCal used to fly to TVL a few decades ago. TVL, though is a problematic airport to land in.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 913 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):

I think RNO might be a new "destination" for G4. Start with LAS flights and go from there. Maybe open up a new crew base. I think there are endless possibilities for RNO and G4. I also think that G4 service will not get in the way of other airlines expect WN. http://www.renoairport.com/flight-info/airlinesbook-flight



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User currently offlinepanova98 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

These major-city, intrastate routes seem so interesting. LAS-RNO, PHL-PIT, etc. How is it that they wind up being monopolies? Is it not possible for two carriers to compete and make money on these routes?

Which reminds me: Is there any hope someday we'll see a real growth of the lower-48, intrastate, commercial air carrier? Maybe like an EAS carrier, but without subsidy, that would have exclusive (or co-exclusive) rights to fly between any two in-State communities. Service might be in a 9-pasenger Cape Air-like plane or anything larger. Maybe also with special rights for one or two routes to a hub that would be outside the State. Special consideration to service for the college kid going to and from school. And, mandatory Zip-Car-like service at each airport. Can't use the cars to go outside the State or beyond a certain distance from the airport.

Of course, how could you do it without at least minimal regulation. A limit on the number of competing carriers on any given route, or for the whole State. Limit on prices, where there is a monoploy. But, "grandfather" in any carrier already in the route (WN RNO-LAS, US PIT-PHL).

Nice if we could find/agree to use better funding for highway and rail service. Seems unlikely. Intrastate air service, maybe? Buckeye State Express? Keystone Everywhere? Palmetto Priority? Mountaineer Rockefeller?


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

To me, this service makes zero sense. Twice a week service between LAS and RNO just sounds like its' destined to fail, much like their LAS-LGB service (Heck, their entire LGB operation.). So unless they're going to open up a base at RNO and serve additional markets, it just seems like a questionable move on their part. Allegiant doesn't do connections, so all of the traffic would be essentially O & D which probably is not enough to support them on this route. With WN, there are connection opportunities at LAS that they do not offer at RNO, so more than likely the majority of passengers flying RNO-LAS are connecting onto other WN flights.

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