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Boeing Wins $1.2 Billion Icelandair Order  
User currently offlinealitis From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 259 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 27237 times:

No surprise here:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-wins-1-2-billion-111611868.html

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User currently onlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1625 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 27133 times:

Congrats to Boeing! Was hoping this one would go to Airbus, but hey, every new aircraft in the sky is a win in my book! 

"Fuel savings compared to Icelandair's present fleet of Boeing 757 is more than 20 percent per seat," the airline said."

So they are gonna use the MAX8 and 9 as a direct 757 replacement. Being not very knowledgeable on this subject and their route-structure; can the MAX replace the 757 on all their routes without restrictions?



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1896 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 26830 times:

Congratulations to Icelandair and Boeing. I have a feeling this was packaged deal, to allow the airline cancellation of its 787 order without penalty.

[Edited 2012-12-06 04:16:29]


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 26448 times:
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Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
Congratulations to Icelandair and Boeing.

Though not unexpected these congratulations are most certainly in place.   Good for all involved making this deal happen.


User currently offlineAlnicocunife From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 26318 times:

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 1):
So they are gonna use the MAX8 and 9 as a direct 757 replacement. Being not very knowledgeable on this subject and their route-structure; can the MAX replace the 757 on all their routes without restrictions?

If the 737MAX has 400+ mile range greater than the -800 it could replace the B757 on most of Icelandair flights. (Example KEF-SFB)


User currently onlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1635 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 26275 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
I have a feeling this was packaged deal, to allow the airline cancellation of its 787 order without penalty.

From what I've heard, every 787 customer was allowed to cancel without penalty as a result of the years long delays.



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User currently offlineTFJamie From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 26160 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
I have a feeling this was packaged deal, to allow the airline cancellation of its 787 order without penalty.

The 787 orders were taken over by Norwegian with all commitments and deals intact so no penalties there.


User currently offliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 26074 times:

Looking at their route map, the MAX can easily cover all of Europe from Iceland. As for their US destinations, SEA, DEN and SFB will be pushing it but doable, as they are all at around 3200nm range (IIRC 3600nm is the marketing spec range, 3200nm should be a realistic range with profitable payload and winds)

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31096 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 25731 times:
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PR release from Boeing on the order - http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2517

User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 25585 times:
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Quoting travelavnut (Reply 1):
So they are gonna use the MAX8 and 9 as a direct 757 replacement

In another thread it was stated that these will not be used as a direct 757 replacement but instead they will be opening new cities and adding frequencies.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 25410 times:

I wonder if this will affect Icelandic Express ? Not sure if they are a subsidiary of Icelandair. Anyway, Express do a summer seasonal weekly (I think) 757 KEF-YWG. But this route would certainly be within the range of any version of the MAX.

Might surprise some, but Manitoba (where YWG is) is home to the largest Icelandic population outside Iceland itself.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8471 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 25243 times:

Quoting r2rho (Reply 7):
Looking at their route map, the MAX can easily cover all of Europe from Iceland. As for their US destinations, SEA, DEN and SFB will be pushing it but doable, as they are all at around 3200nm range

If SEA-KEF is pushing it, then DEN-KEF is a no go. DEN is at 5,400ft/1,650m of altitude.
If FI is still flying to DEN in 5 years, they might keep a couple of 757's in the fleet or order something more capable.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 9):

In another thread it was stated that these will not be used as a direct 757 replacement but instead they will be opening new cities and adding frequencies.

I read that too but find it doubtful for a couple of reasons: 1) This would more than double FI's pax fleet size. That's a huge jump. 2) 20% fuel savings is too much for the old 757 to overcome. They may replace all but a few 757's which will have comonality with the cargo 757's. That may be enough to justify keeping a few pax 5t's in the fleet.


User currently offlinelostsound From Canada, joined May 2012, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 24756 times:

Congrats Icelandair and Boeing!

Was also hoping this would go to Airbus, but I can't help to think those new wingfences on the MAX will compliment the Icelandair livery wonderfully.

There is no direct 757 replacement so I assume Icelandair will be forced to order the A330-200 or 788 in order to reach those Pacific Coastal cities.



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User currently offlineSRQKEF From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 24420 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):

Iceland Express went bankrupt last month. WOWair is the new airline in Iceland.

Anyway, congrats to FI on this order! Has been in the works for over 2 years. And to answer some of yourq questions: no, the 737 is not a direct replacement for the 757 on American routes, at least not over 6 hrs. It will replace sme of the older 757s to Europe though.

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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 24303 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
Congratulations to Icelandair and Boeing. I have a feeling this was packaged deal, to allow the airline cancellation of its 787 order without penalty.
Quoting TFJamie (Reply 6):
The 787 orders were taken over by Norwegian with all commitments and deals intact so no penalties there.

I never read anything in the press release about the 787.

Quoting lostsound (Reply 12):
There is no direct 757 replacement so I assume Icelandair will be forced to order the A330-200 or 788 in order to reach those Pacific Coastal cities.

They don't fly to the west coast of North America.



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 24238 times:

WOO HOO! Yeah! Glad to see both new birds for FI but Boeing!

Now- they need to come back to my airport!



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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 24240 times:

Quoting SRQKEF (Reply 13):

If Boeing would have built new jigs when it was obvious the B757 was going to need replacement,
a B75NEO would have been a supreme performer. And certainly the orders would still be coming in,
whoever made the decision to kill the B757.... Cost Boeing billions of dollars..... what a mistake.


User currently onlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1625 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23979 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 16):
If Boeing would have built new jigs when it was obvious the B757 was going to need replacement,
a B75NEO would have been a supreme performer. And certainly the orders would still be coming in,
whoever made the decision to kill the B757.... Cost Boeing billions of dollars..... what a mistake.

Because an anonymous contributor to an aviation forum is much better informed than Boeing management?   

If what you say is actually true we would have seen an 757neo, but unfortunately it isn't, hence; no 757neo



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 23983 times:
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This is not a replacement of the 757, according to flightglobal.com, the 737MAX wil " be operated along-side their 757s"

Icelandair's 757s are not going anywhere. And why should they, perfect size and range for most of their routes. They'd be crazy to part with them


User currently offlineBoeEngr From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 23936 times:

Quoting xdlx (Reply 16):
And certainly the orders would still be coming in,
whoever made the decision to kill the B757.... Cost Boeing billions of dollars..... what a mistake.

I would say, whoever made the decision, SAVED Boeing billions of dollars. No need to keep a line open with no orders.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 14):
They don't fly to the west coast of North America.

Seattle.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3148 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 23871 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 14):
Quoting lostsound (Reply 12):
There is no direct 757 replacement so I assume Icelandair will be forced to order the A330-200 or 788 in order to reach those Pacific Coastal cities.

They don't fly to the west coast of North America.

Sure they do. FI flies into SEA with a 757.


User currently offlineafterburner33 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2012, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 23875 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 14):
They don't fly to the west coast of North America.

Has Seattle moved somewhere else then?


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 23745 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 2):
Congratulations to Icelandair and Boeing. I have a feeling this was packaged deal, to allow the airline cancellation of its 787 order without penalty.
Quoting TFJamie (Reply 6):
The 787 orders were taken over by Norwegian with all commitments and deals intact so no penalties there.

I never read anything in the press release about the 787.

Quoting lostsound (Reply 12):
There is no direct 757 replacement so I assume Icelandair will be forced to order the A330-200 or 788 in order to reach those Pacific Coastal cities.

They don't fly to the west coast of North America.



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User currently offlinecontext From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 23680 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 14):
They don't fly to the west coast of North America.

Been flying to Seattle for a few years now. Also fly to Anchorage (thought I don't usually think of it as a city on the west coast).

How old is the 757 fleet? How much time does FI have to make a decision before these birds' mx costs start to hurt the bottom line? Why was the 787 order cancelled?


User currently offlineCalebWilliams From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 23619 times:

Quoting afterburner33 (Reply 21):
Quoting brilondon (Reply 14):
They don't fly to the west coast of North America.

Has Seattle moved somewhere else then?

I believe it moved to Connecticut.



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25 CRJ900 : Interesting. Why did they move there and not Nova Scotia or Newfoundland? Halifax is a nice city, I felt quite at home there...
26 rotating14 : When will they start flying out of ANC?
27 aamd11 : They have nine aircraft with a line number of 900 or more, putting them into the early 200s. airfleets.net lists 20 active 757s for FI, four of which
28 Post contains links aamd11 : May 15th. Service is twice a week to KEF, running until September 2013. Announced back in August: http://www.icelandair.us/information...utes_to_Zuri
29 tdscanuck : DEN is only a problem if they run into a performance limit...given the gianormous new runway that DEN put in to alleviate exactly this kind of situat
30 KaiTak747 : Exactly. But they are not very new, the average fleet age is 16.5 years.
31 LGWflyer : Agreed, they're newer ones are not that old and can probably last another good 15 years or so. Some of their older 757's are above 20 years old, and
32 Post contains images point2point : KEF-SEA is 3614 miles. KEF-DEN is 3562 miles. We can see here that SEA is the further outstation. So of all of the legs here of KEF-SEA/SEA-KEF and K
33 connies4ever : IIRC my Manitoba history correctly (no guarantee) the Icelandic immigrants were granted more or less self-government over a chunk of territory, their
34 Post contains links and images lightsaber : The 737-8MAX are a surprise. The later 738-8MAX should have 757 range (not at EIS, but after PIPs), so it will be fine for Icelandair's routes. Thus
35 brilondon : I would like to apologize, they do fly to SEA. About the 757's, are the 300's very old?
36 Post contains links and images MountainFlyer : FI only has one 753, reg. TF-FIX, which was built in early 2002, so it's one of the newer planes in the fleet. View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark Kwi
37 NorthstarBoy : While I'm happy that Icelandair has started on the path to fleet modernization I really wish Boeing would realize that their european competitor is re
38 Roseflyer : SEA, DEN, and SFB all are at the edge of the 757 range. The weight limits with Icelandairs relatively dense configuration would be significant. I'm n
39 Prost : From a passenger perspective, what would be the difference between being in a 737 cabin or a 757 cabin? And how did our parents and grandparents ever
40 Post contains links BlueBus : Icelandair stated on Twitter that the 757 will continue to fly to SEA: http://twitter.com/Icelandair/status/276804268386824192
41 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : No, the range of Boeing airplanes is in nautical miles and kilometers. The distances you sited are statute miles. The distance from KEF to SEA is 314
42 seabosdca : Not really... a lot of the UA 757 TATL routes are an hour or so longer. That said, I think based on what I've seen they'd still be a big stretch for
43 BlueBus : Honestly it seems weird so many of you are arguing how far the MAX will fly. None of us know. Boeing can talk about what they want out of the aircraft
44 JoeCanuck : As connies4ever mentioned, there was a huge demand for immigrants to settle the prairies in the early parts of the 20th century, so land was basicall
45 KC135TopBoom : It shouldn't be a big problem to put the GEnx-2B engines on the B-767. The B-747 and B-767 have sharded the same eninges for a very long time now.
46 JoeCanuck : With more runway comes the danger of exceeding the tire speed limit before getting to takeoff airspeed. They are a few thousand pounds heavier so tha
47 seabosdca : The 767 has the wrong cross-section in today's world, and also has severely outdated wings. Even with new engines it would be eclipsed by the 788's b
48 Viscount724 : You say you wouldn't want to spend 9 hours on a 737 but you don't mention the 757 which has the same fuselage cross-section. I don't understand why y
49 Post contains links iahmark : Well, I guess they could get a few frames (4-5) of the 737 MAX 7 (range is 3800 nm), this one should cover all the really long routes like a champ >
50 Post contains links r2rho : I have my doubts for the "deep" North America missions - SEA, DEN, SFB. The rest of the route network should be covered fine. I expect the MAX's to s
51 NorthstarBoy : Honestly, I wouldn't want to spend nine hours on anything smaller than a 767-300. I realize that 99.999 percent of people out there would fly to Hawa
52 Post contains links stlgph : Wonderful video on their facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151542624919942 With the new planes - will undoubtedly see a new cities
53 Post contains images lightsaber : Agreed. But These aren't dueling pistols, they do not have to be exact matches. So a few routes dropping to the 738MAX isn't a big deal. Those will t
54 DocLightning : 1) The GEnX 2b has a 105" fan. The PW4000 models used on the 767 and 747 are 94"and the CF6 is 93". The GEnX 2b had to be shrunk from the 1b because
55 panam330 : Slightly off topic, but what was the logic behind ordering only one 753? I wish they'd ordered more. Such great aircraft.
56 Post contains images CRJ900 : Thank you for the history lesson, Connies 4ever. Yes, Halifax felt very Norwegian, plus it is a nice city of its own too. That said, I fell in love w
57 sancho99504 : It may have the same cross section, but the 757 has as a taller, slighter wider cabin than the 737. It gives the 757 more shoulder, which makes mount
58 tdscanuck : "Slightly" = 0.1". I don't think any normal human being is capable of noticing that. The 757 and 737 use the same seat triple width, the same aisle w
59 ltbewr : As to the new 737's and NA destinations vs the current 757's and Icelandair using their North Atlantic hub, I guess that the new 737's would have enou
60 RWA380 : Wow, the 767 is my favorite cross section, alone or with another person the 767 is the best. Just flew one this week, another great flight. Not sure
61 prebennorholm : According to the press release the max 9 will be configured with 172 seats (their 752s have 183 seats). The Max 8 will have 153 seats. That may of co
62 JoeCanuck : As much as feature creep is something to be avoided, I wonder if Boeing is tempted at all to add a few more frames to the -9MAX to up the seat count.
63 prebennorholm : Since Icelandair has already told the public about their cabin configuration, then it is fair to guess that Boeing has made final decision on cabin s
64 JoeCanuck : I didn't think anyone would have planned, in detail, that far in advance yet.
65 Post contains images as739x : No one told you? They are moving to Oklahoma City with the old basketball team!!
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