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Delta Bringing Mainline Back To Some More Cities  
User currently offlineflyjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 286 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11539 times:

Delta has mainline flights on the schedule starting March 2 from both CRW (DC-9) and ABE (A319). FAY also sees an upgauge from a DC-9 to an MD-88. CRW hasn't seen M/L Delta in a long time. ABE has seen M/L, but only as a response to AirTran flights, but they have since pulled out of ABE. Surprisingly nothing for MDT which is at 5x CRJ.

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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11462 times:

This trend started back in September on ATL flights as DL is adding a mainline back into markets that have historically had RJ-only service for at least the past 5-10 years. Typically this has been on an evening departure out of ATL, RON at the outstation, and morning departure back to ATL. This puts more capacity onto the peak flight at peak times during the day. Look for more of this to happen as the CRJ-200 fleet gets reduced going forward as some of these cities will see more 2-class RJs and potentially the return of more mainline.

Other cities in this scenario included ROA, TRI, CHA, AVL, and probably a few more I'm forgetting to mention.

MDT did get an MD-88 in recent years in response to FL.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3791 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11389 times:

Quoting flyjoe (Thread starter):
CRW hasn't seen M/L Delta in a long time.

CRW has never had Delta mainline. Needless to say, I'm overjoyed.

Good for ABE as well.


User currently offlineFreshSide3 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11322 times:

The purchase of the 717s from FL is now starting to make sense.......although I don't see them on this particular list....they are likely candidates for RJ replacements, once the get integrated into the fleet....

User currently offlineflyjoe From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11261 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 2):
CRW has never had Delta mainline. Needless to say, I'm overjoyed.

I just looked at some old flight schedules and was surprised to see Delta's history in CRW is not that old. It looks like it only goes back to the mid-80s, initially with service to CVG.

I would expect MDT will see M/L service at some point. I start to wonder if some other cities that saw M/L in the old USAir days could see it in the future on DL (AVP, CHO).


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5167 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11108 times:

Quoting flyjoe (Reply 4):
would expect MDT will see M/L service at some point

Obviously not related to DL, but US has mainline into MDT. They have a similar set-up as DL are doing in these cities, flying an A319 CLT-MDT in the evening, RON, and back to CLT in the morning.



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10917 times:

Would love to see some delta 717 at CLT. We have quite a few DC-9-50 and CRJ flights

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10864 times:

With CRJs being pbased out, what will this spell for JFK? DL is down to single or sometimes double daily flights on CRJs for a lot of routes while LGA continues to see growth. If DL can only put a single or double RJ on the routes, will these see upguages to two-class aircraft or will JFK be screwed? Yes, there are a lot of CR7s and CR9s at JFK, but DL obviously seems to favor LGA over JFK with them.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10778 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):
With CRJs being pbased out, what will this spell for JFK?

DL wants to get the 50 seaters out of LGA & JFK. These will almost all go to 2-class RJs. JFK won't be screwed.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3791 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10369 times:

Quoting flyjoe (Reply 4):
I just looked at some old flight schedules and was surprised to see Delta's history in CRW is not that old. It looks like it only goes back to the mid-80s, initially with service to CVG.

Yes, started with EMB-110 to CVG I believe.


User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 690 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10283 times:

While I'm happy for the cities involved, I hope DL plans on adding staff and/or equipment to handle these upgauged flights. I recently waited a full 30 minutes for my checked bag to be delivered in FAY from a CRJ 200. The airport is so small there is no baggage office, so when a few of us went to the ticket counter to complain and ask what was going on, the excuse was that the CR2 before us arrived late due to a mechanical and they weren't used to handling 2 CRJs within an hour and the staff was overwhelmed.

Good luck with that MD-88, then.



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User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2453 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10236 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):
With CRJs being pbased out, what will this spell for JFK? DL is down to single or sometimes double daily flights on CRJs for a lot of routes while LGA continues to see growth. If DL can only put a single or double RJ on the routes, will these see upguages to two-class aircraft or will JFK be screwed? Yes, there are a lot of CR7s and CR9s at JFK, but DL obviously seems to favor LGA over JFK with them.

Quite honestly, JFK will never be out of the picture for DL. There may be some cutbacks during the opening of T4 extension/T3 demolition, but once everything will be said and done in the next few years, the aviation landscape for DL will look completely different. Little to no 50 seaters, an additional (up to 70) round of CR9s, B717s in fleet, 737-900s and the completion of the new BE layflat generation.

Sure some cities may lose a JFK flight short term, but you are comparing apples to oranges when you try and compare JFK and LGA. At JFK, DL is trying to assert their international dominance and at LGA they are trying to move forward with their domestic, business traveler dominance.

You also have to remember, for the time being, JFK is so limited on ramp and gate parking that in order to achieve the amount of flights they have, they must use smaller equipment in order to fit them along the finger gates. In fact, in my years of flying DL thru JFK, I have never seen a CR9 parked anywhere at gate 23. I saw a CR7 parked at 23 up against the building on the outside of the finger gates.

It's all about the amount of available space and once the renovations are complete, you will see a lot of larger aircraft in and out of JFK.



Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10212 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 9):
Yes, started with EMB-110 to CVG I believe.

Didn't that even stick around for a long time post-dehubbing too? I seem to remember reading that it was one of the only remaining CVG exclusives up to a couple years ago (or was that Huntington?).


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10216 times:

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 10):
While I'm happy for the cities involved, I hope DL plans on adding staff and/or equipment to handle these upgauged flights. I recently waited a full 30 minutes for my checked bag to be delivered in FAY from a CRJ 200.

This is often common practice at smaller outstations (mainline or DCI) if it is a turnaround flight and the inbound is delayed. Often passenger bags will not get delivered until they get the outbound flight loaded and/or off the gate.

It goes both ways, if you are the passenger on the outbound flight you would rather not miss your connection if they can get the plane out a few minutes faster when they are behind schedule.

Almost everyone of these mainline additions is a termination / last-flight of the day and a launch/flight flight of the day.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3791 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10175 times:

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 10):
While I'm happy for the cities involved, I hope DL plans on adding staff and/or equipment to handle these upgauged flights.

Wouldn't hold my breath on that.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 12):
Didn't that even stick around for a long time post-dehubbing too? I seem to remember reading that it was one of the only remaining CVG exclusives up to a couple years ago (or was that Huntington?).

That was Huntington. They switched to DTW..which did poorly. They've since pulled out of HTS.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10123 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 14):
That was Huntington. They switched to DTW..which did poorly. They've since pulled out of HTS.

Ok, I stand corrected! I always found it funny that stuck around so long, but I guess it was the most convenient.


User currently offlineexFWAOONW From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8590 times:

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 9):
Yes, started with EMB-110 to CVG I believe.

The good ole "bandits". I recall some of those flights originating in IND as in IND CVG CRW as a single flight number.

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 10):
...CR2 before us arrived late due to a mechanical and they weren't used to handling 2 CRJs within an hour and the staff was overwhelmed.

only two flights in an hour? That's sad. What was it two people? We used to handle two 9s on the ground at the same time with as few as four total (ramp and counter)



Is just me, or is flying not as much fun anymore?
User currently offlineBuddys747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 520 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

MDT will have an MD-88 again this summer according to the schedule. To my surprise they continued mainline the past two summers even without FL on the route. Hopefully we will see it year round again. ABE finally gets some good news and congrats to CRW.

User currently offlinequickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8262 times:

I wonder how much of an overhaul Southwest is paying for on the 717s before they are delivered to Delta? Cosmetic or C check?

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3791 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8121 times:

Quoting Buddys747 (Reply 17):

MDT will have an MD-88 again this summer according to the schedule.

I'm not sure how far out the schedule is finalized. Our D95 shows ending in June and being replaced with a CR2 and a CR7 overnight. I guess things will play out based on the availability of an airplane and crew for a mainline RON. An educated guess says they're still working on everything beyond May.


User currently offlineBraniff722 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7833 times:

Can NOT understand why SHV is still not getting upgraded to something bigger! This city is thriving right now and by 2014, almost another 4,000 jobs coming to this area because of a German steel company locating at the Port of Shreveport/Bossier!

The airport has had increasing passenger numbers EVERY YEAR, since 2001.



Living large in KSHV
User currently onlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):

JFK will likely see more CR7/9 while LGA gets the 717/319 influx.

Quoting quickmover (Reply 18):

my understanding is both.

M90s have been getting HMVs before coming to Delta also.



yep.
User currently offlinexjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2453 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

At #169 in passenger enplanements and with relatively little slack in larger equipment, SHV will continue to see no upgauge in equipment until the CR1/2s are slowly eliminated from the fleet. Once the steel plant is in place, you may start to see larger aircraft, but until then, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Also, your enplanements from 2009 to 2010 actually went down. Delta knows what they are doing and when they see potential in your market, you will see bigger and better equipment.

I'm not trying to bring you down, I wish to see every airport free of 50 seat aircraft, but living and working at two airports who saw an obliteration of air carrier service (TOL and DAB), I know the feeling all too well. Enjoy that you have a choice in air service and that it's probably not going away any time soon.



Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7605 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 21):

JFK will likely see more CR7/9 while LGA gets the 717/319 influx.

717s will be initially at ATL, next at DTW.

Capacity growth at LGA is going to be very disiplined. Routes that currently get 50 seaters are going to get CR7/CR9/E170/E175 equipment. Do not look for significant mainline growth at LGA, at least on routes that currently DCI.

Quoting xjramper (Reply 22):
I'm not trying to bring you down, I wish to see every airport free of 50 seat aircraft, but living and working at two airports who saw an obliteration of air carrier service (TOL and DAB), I know the feeling all too well. Enjoy that you have a choice in air service and that it's probably not going away any time soon.

Funny how everyone was complaining about the Saab about 5 years ago and now its suddenly the CRJ.


User currently onlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 23):
717s will be initially at ATL, next at DTW.

I know.  
Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 23):
Capacity growth at LGA is going to be very disiplined. Routes that currently get 50 seaters are going to get CR7/CR9/E170/E175 equipment. Do not look for significant mainline growth at LGA, at least on routes that currently DCI.

over time I expect LGA to see the growth over JFK.

I expect most of the new CRJ order to go west and to MSP. Some(limited) growth in ATL/DTW/NYC.



and FWIW thats pilot bases. Doesn't mean thats where all the growth will be.



yep.
25 UALFAson : Thanks for the comments. We were the only DL aircraft at the terminal, so the delayed flight before us had already turned around back to ATL, althoug
26 flyinryan99 : I loved the short hop Saabs. In fact, I really miss them. TOL-MDW and TOL-DTW were great trips to fly on them.
27 JBAirwaysFan : With the exception of the occasional CR7 or CR9 rotated in, DL now runs a mainline only schedule between ATL and DAB. Not just MD-88s either, but a R
28 jamake1 : Would love to see DL mainline return to BTV after 30-year hiatus...
29 mayor : When I worked at ORD, right after the DL/NE merger, we had a DC-9-14 that went LIT-STL-ORD-DTW-CLE-BTV-MHT-PWM-BGR.
30 tan flyr : I would think that FWA would (or should) be a candidate for mainline to ATL with B717. FWIW, I would think that even dc-9-50 as the airport is out of
31 yyz717 : YYZ rejoined the ranks of DL mainline cities this Fall, for the first time in several years with a daily M88 (now A319) replacing one of the 6x daily
32 FWAERJ : As long as 9E has a maintenance base at FWA, it will see little to no mainline service because they need to ferry in 9E CR2s for MX. 9E has a deal wi
33 xjramper : When I was there, DL had 3 737-200s, 5 MD-80s, and during peak times (ie race week or spring break), that was shuffled to all 757s to ATL. This also
34 tan flyr : Outstanding observation...Thanks! That cleared up the picture of how each group flows into/out of FWA.Thank you. Yup..and even from 72 to the 81 reno
35 Post contains images FWAERJ : And don't forget the first jet to serve FWA in 1967, the incomparable Caravelle (UA, of course). DL launched DC-9 service from FWA the same year. My
36 mayor : Now I wonder how we'll fare, here at FSM, equipment wise, once the 50 seaters start to disappear. We've had, IIRC, DFW-FSM on EMB120s, then operations
37 Kcrwflyer : It's ridiculous.... I'd say 3 CR2 can be 2 CR7... If they keep as many 50 seaters as they're planning to, I don't think you'd have to worry about los
38 xjramper : I can't go back that far, but I distinctly remember being on a DL DC-9 that flew ATL-TOL-FWA back in the early 90s.
39 FWAERJ : 3 CR2s: 150 seats 2 CR7s: 130 seats 2 CR9s: 152 seats 2 CR9s would be a better replacement for 3 CR2s than 2 CR7s.
40 Deltalaw : Now with DL just making a large CR9 order this week, are there any cities that will lose mainline and see an increase in frequency using the new RJ's?
41 Post contains images mayor : Sorry, but as a non-rev, I don't want FEWER seats And I know this whole exercise is supposed to be "capacity neutral" and all that, BUT..............
42 exFWAOONW : You don't know what you're asking for. A shared flight from a hub with a short flight is a nightmare for the outstation. We had a DTW-FWA-MEM flight
43 mayor : Short flights aren't the only ones that suffer from that. I can remember JFK being late putting their info into a flight coming to SLC and it was 2 o
44 FWAERJ : IIRC, DL did fly FWA-DTW from the C&S days until around deregulation, but I don't think that FWA had nonstop scheduled service to Florida until G
45 JBAirwaysFan : I was there, I remember. Actually UAX left shortly after FL came in. This lasted for one year. Then DL went down to almost all RJs, US cut down to tw
46 tan flyr : Yes sir..I remember my sister flying to FLL on a thru flight in 1976. After FWA it stopped in IND, then ATL..thru flights yes. Nonstops no. The other
47 xjramper : I would actually like to see service return to the TOL area. Not like a "fly all the routes" approach, but since DL will be replacing a few E45 route
48 FWAERJ : TOL-DTW wouldn't work again, as it often takes just 15 more minutes to drive to DTW from downtown Toledo than it does to drive to TOL. But I could se
49 ouboy79 : Flight 290 operated ATL-TOL-FWA-ATL, usually departed TOL around 1150AM and that flight lasted for decades. Flight 342 was the reverse doing ATL-FWA-
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