Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
DAE Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12734 posts, RR: 35
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13400 times:

Tweeted by Jon Ostrower:

Quote:
WSJ: Boeing Confirms Dubai Aerospace Enterprise Has Canceled 5 747-8 Freighters
http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/276762643346366465

More news to come, stay tuned.


Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
31 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13280 times:

Saw the update on boeing's site earlier and noticed the cancellations. I figured it would be DAE, no one else with more than 5 747-8I/F orders seemed likely.


Reality be Rent. Synapse, break! Vanishment, This World!
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13250 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

So that still leaves five?

The original ten were ordered by Emirates Sky Cargo, then sold to DAE with the intent to lease them back.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13189 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
So that still leaves five?

The original ten were ordered by Emirates Sky Cargo, then sold to DAE with the intent to lease them back.

Actually, on boeing's orders and deliveries site its shows 5 as of November 2012. So It seems the remaining order is now cancelled.



Reality be Rent. Synapse, break! Vanishment, This World!
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13104 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
Actually, on boeing's orders and deliveries site its shows 5 as of November 2012. So It seems the remaining order is now cancelled.

Fair enough.

Guess EK felt their 777 fleet provided enough cargo capacity?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12173 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12183 times:

So, how many B-747-8Fs remain on Boeing's backlog book now?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12075 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
So, how many B-747-8Fs remain on Boeing's backlog book now?

Orders 67, deliveries 26 (through November 30) = backlog of 41, less these 5 = 36.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11910 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Boeing did secure two 747-8 UFOs, but no word as of yet if they are passenger or freighter models.

Boeing also added three CX 747-8Fs to their firing order, so that implies a top-up order will be coming from them.


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2397 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11703 times:

Does this include MSN 37451 that was already earmarked for Emirates SkyCargo?


Swiss aviation news junkie living all over the place
User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11693 times:

Is this the first time Emirates has *ever* downsized?

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11512 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
Is this the first time Emirates has *ever* downsized?

I believe they've cancelled orders or deferred them into irrelevance before. And they did briefly operate some A310 freighter conversions that they changed their minds on and brought in leased metal from Atlas Air and TNT instead.


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 591 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11496 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):

That's odd because when I was looking at the order books last month or maybe it was in October, they still listed the full ten frames as being on order. When I saw that, I thought it was strang since I had thought they had already officially canceled five frames.



Commercial Pilot- SEL, MEL, Instrument
User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2199 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10789 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Boeing did secure two 747-8 UFOs, but no word as of yet if they are passenger or freighter models.

Both UFO's are freighters, see reply 194 in : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #10 (by wilco737 Oct 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)#194



Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
Is this the first time Emirates has *ever* downsized?

They did cancel an order for the A346 (was it 16 frames?) but it wasn't really downsizing as they ordered almost endless T7s in that time.

To me it looks like they've cancelled late and 2 UFOs and 3 for CX have bought their places in the queue.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9347 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9):
Is this the first time Emirates has *ever* downsized?

They also cancelled their A380F order.

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 13):


To me it looks like they've cancelled late and 2 UFOs and 3 for CX have bought their places in the queue.

Stitch said in another thread that the CX airframes came from the Air China order.



We are addicted to our thoughts. We cannot change anything if we cannot change our thinking – Santosh Kalwar
User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Fair enough.

Guess EK felt their 777 fleet provided enough cargo capacity?

Wouldn't be the first time their 777 has killed a Boeing freighter order. I guess sometimes your product is to damn good.


User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4840 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7597 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 15):
Wouldn't be the first time their 777 has killed a Boeing freighter order. I guess sometimes your product is to damn good.

More like they don't need the capacity. Cargo market is down, CX, SQ, CI have all parked 744 freighters.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2199 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7092 times:

Quoting zeke (Reply 14):
To me it looks like they've cancelled late and 2 UFOs and 3 for CX have bought their places in the queue.
Stitch said in another thread that the CX airframes came from the Air China order.

747-8F :

- DAE cancelled 5 ordered 747-8F aircraft, 5 still remaining.

- Two unidentified 747-8F aircraft ordered.

- At the FAL firing order 3 aircraft slots (L/N 1483,84 and 86) were assigned for Air China Cargo.(unannounced order). These aircraft received the tabulation numbers RC631-33 and were listed as 747-8FTF aircraft.

- Two weeks ago these 3 aircraft slots were re-assigned to Cathay Pacific Cargo as 747-867F aircraft. (also not announced yet) The aircraft received the sequential Cathay tabulation numbers RC561,62 and 63, following the original batch of 10 (RC551-560).

747-8F orders (end of November 2012)


The order for 5 Air China 747-8I aircraft is still listed at the Boeing website.
747-8I orders (end of November 2012)


[Edited 2012-12-07 05:39:43]


Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31259 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6177 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
DAE cancelled 5 ordered 747-8F aircraft, 5 still remaining.

But those 5 were as of November 2012. The new cancellations were recorded in December, so would that not mean DAE no longer has any 747-8Fs on order?

EDIT: Evidently they still have 5 per Boeing, so they must have cancelled in November and it was reported in December?

[Edited 2012-12-07 07:07:53]

User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5989 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 18):
But those 5 were as of November 2012. The new cancellations were recorded in December, so would that not mean DAE no longer has any 747-8Fs on order?

Well the only other explanation I can come up with is if this cancellation was delayed in the weekly updates, because for the 747 it only shows the 5 cancellations from the recent update. Does anyone know how many 747s DAE had in October? Because I think that would help make this a bit clearer.



Reality be Rent. Synapse, break! Vanishment, This World!
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 10):

The A310F were in mid 2000s operated in addition to the 744F fleet which came in from 2001, they were not replaced by the 747s.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2199 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5495 times:

The user defined orders and delivery lists (as shown above) are updated at the end of each month and published a few days later.
One week ago the 747-8F list showed 10 DAE freighters.



Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
The A310F were in mid 2000s operated in addition to the 744F fleet which came in from 2001, they were not replaced by the 747s.

Oh I see, thank you for clarifying. I guess they didn't get a direct replacement right away for them.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

^ to further clarify the A310F joined the fleet around 2006.

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5353 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 22):
^ to further clarify the A310F joined the fleet around 2006.

Further clarification is even better!  


25 United_fan : I find it hard to believe that there are 8 747-8i VIP orders from the USA. Any at all for that matter.
26 FI642 : The holds on the 777 are monstrous, there should be ample space for a LOT of cargo.
27 KC135TopBoom : All of the B-747-8-VIPs are ordered through Boeing Business Jets (BBJ) who then orders them from Boeing Commerical Aircraft. Thus all of the B-747-8-
28 Stitch : And I believe all of those customers are in the Middle East.
29 Post contains images United_fan : That's what I figured . The only ones that would or could ($) order a 748i VIP in the US is for an AF1 replacement
30 Post contains images bikerthai : There's a couple people in around here who could afford a 747i VIP. But they don't have the need to get a 748i. I'm crossing my fingers for Paul Alle
31 Lutfi : Rumour that CX will send the B777F to Air China, and get 3 B748F from them. Makes sense I guess. Think the GECAS ones are going to Saudia
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
NW 747 Freighters Will Live On... posted Tue Aug 24 2010 13:29:45 by n7371f
CI, BR Ground 747 Freighters posted Mon Feb 16 2009 04:51:43 by Trex8
Any News On The 747 Freighters Of Ocean (ita)? posted Wed Jul 9 2008 07:25:11 by FFlorida
CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only? posted Tue Nov 27 2007 01:59:39 by United Airline
Flying Cathay's 747 Freighters posted Tue Mar 13 2007 13:44:28 by CX747
Qantas Consider 747 Freighters posted Wed Jul 26 2006 09:36:39 by PanAm_DC10
Boeing Has First 747-8 Passenger Customer posted Thu Jun 8 2006 22:38:38 by Dhefty
Do NW Has A Boeing 747 200Z's Instead Of B's posted Sat Feb 25 2006 22:22:51 by 747400sp
Upper Deck Of 747 Freighters posted Fri Feb 3 2006 01:34:44 by Gunsontheroof
Boeing Touting 3 Types Of 747 Freighters. +A.Q... posted Thu Dec 22 2005 00:04:06 by DIA