817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 1489 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12219 times:
Saw the update on boeing's site earlier and noticed the cancellations. I figured it would be DAE, no one else with more than 5 747-8I/F orders seemed likely.
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26959 posts, RR: 83 Reply 4, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12043 times:
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3): Actually, on boeing's orders and deliveries site its shows 5 as of November 2012. So It seems the remaining order is now cancelled.
Fair enough.
Guess EK felt their 777 fleet provided enough cargo capacity?
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11742 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11122 times:
So, how many B-747-8Fs remain on Boeing's backlog book now?
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10451 times:
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 9): Is this the first time Emirates has *ever* downsized?
I believe they've cancelled orders or deferred them into irrelevance before. And they did briefly operate some A310 freighter conversions that they changed their minds on and brought in leased metal from Atlas Air and TNT instead.
flightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 430 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10435 times:
That's odd because when I was looking at the order books last month or maybe it was in October, they still listed the full ten frames as being on order. When I saw that, I thought it was strang since I had thought they had already officially canceled five frames.
trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3979 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6536 times:
Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 15): Wouldn't be the first time their 777 has killed a Boeing freighter order. I guess sometimes your product is to damn good.
More like they don't need the capacity. Cargo market is down, CX, SQ, CI have all parked 744 freighters.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6031 times:
Quoting zeke (Reply 14): To me it looks like they've cancelled late and 2 UFOs and 3 for CX have bought their places in the queue.
Stitch said in another thread that the CX airframes came from the Air China order.
747-8F :
- DAE cancelled 5 ordered 747-8F aircraft, 5 still remaining.
- Two unidentified 747-8F aircraft ordered.
- At the FAL firing order 3 aircraft slots (L/N 1483,84 and 86) were assigned for Air China Cargo.(unannounced order). These aircraft received the tabulation numbers RC631-33 and were listed as 747-8FTF aircraft.
- Two weeks ago these 3 aircraft slots were re-assigned to Cathay Pacific Cargo as 747-867F aircraft. (also not announced yet) The aircraft received the sequential Cathay tabulation numbers RC561,62 and 63, following the original batch of 10 (RC551-560).
747-8F orders (end of November 2012)
The order for 5 Air China 747-8I aircraft is still listed at the Boeing website.
817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 1489 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4928 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 18): But those 5 were as of November 2012. The new cancellations were recorded in December, so would that not mean DAE no longer has any 747-8Fs on order?
Well the only other explanation I can come up with is if this cancellation was delayed in the weekly updates, because for the 747 it only shows the 5 cancellations from the recent update. Does anyone know how many 747s DAE had in October? Because I think that would help make this a bit clearer.
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747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1815 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4434 times:
The user defined orders and delivery lists (as shown above) are updated at the end of each month and published a few days later.
One week ago the 747-8F list showed 10 DAE freighters.
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4397 times:
Quoting 777way (Reply 20): The A310F were in mid 2000s operated in addition to the 744F fleet which came in from 2001, they were not replaced by the 747s.
Oh I see, thank you for clarifying. I guess they didn't get a direct replacement right away for them.
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1192 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4292 times:
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 22): ^ to further clarify the A310F joined the fleet around 2006.
Further clarification is even better!
25 United_fan: I find it hard to believe that there are 8 747-8i VIP orders from the USA. Any at all for that matter.
26 FI642: The holds on the 777 are monstrous, there should be ample space for a LOT of cargo.
27 KC135TopBoom: All of the B-747-8-VIPs are ordered through Boeing Business Jets (BBJ) who then orders them from Boeing Commerical Aircraft. Thus all of the B-747-8-
28 Stitch: And I believe all of those customers are in the Middle East.
29 United_fan: That's what I figured . The only ones that would or could ($) order a 748i VIP in the US is for an AF1 replacement
30 bikerthai: There's a couple people in around here who could afford a 747i VIP. But they don't have the need to get a 748i. I'm crossing my fingers for Paul Alle
31 Lutfi: Rumour that CX will send the B777F to Air China, and get 3 B748F from them. Makes sense I guess. Think the GECAS ones are going to Saudia
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