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JetBlue Adding 38 Workers @ BDL  
User currently offlineafitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 816 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

I couldn't find this posted anywhere. It looks like jetBlue is adding 38 workers @ BDL. I assume this means more flights will be added, but to where? Anyone have any info?

http://articles.courant.com/2012-11-...-flights-ticket-agents-and-baggage

[Edited 2012-12-06 15:25:39]

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User currently onlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

I can't be quoted, but I have heard up here that they're adding another flight to San Juan and starting service to Los Angeles. I could see Nassau or another Florida city or frequency as well.

User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2891 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

It was discussed in a thread that discussed B6 going to contracted GSE and Provisioning as at the same time B6 was going to have their own ground handling in BDL and LGA (which allowed for some folks to transfer if they wanted) but I can't find the thread right now LOL. So many of the heads being added are to support the new G/O crew at BDL....and LGA too.  


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User currently offlineglobetrotter29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4399 times:

MCO & FLL are going 3x daily for the X-mas rush.

I could see B6 adding TPA, NAS, or RSW. Second daily to SJU for the winter is certainly plausible. LAX would be fantastic but I'm not holding my breath.


User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4398 times:

Quoting CairnterriAIR (Reply 1):
... starting service to Los Angeles.

Let's say I'm not really quoting you but I'd say this is pretty big news! Wow, and with 38 new employees, I'd say there will be more new stuff too.

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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3912 times:
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I missed this thread, but noticed a link in another thread.

I used to fly BDL-LAX quite a bit and the flights were always full when there was a non-stop. But... the non-stops come and go. DL and AA have tried... I wish B6 well, but I'm not sure with today's fuel prices if the market is that large.

Quoting CairnterriAIR (Reply 1):
and starting service to Los Angeles.

Let us hope. I know more than a few people who would fly the route.

Just to be clear, I assume LAX and not LGB? I would think the former would have a far higher RASM.

Quoting globetrotter29 (Reply 3):
I could see B6 adding TPA, NAS, or RSW. Second daily to SJU for the winter is certainly plausible. LAX would be fantastic but I'm not holding my breath.

I agree with TPA. The other markets I do not know the demand well enough to comment upon. But as to LAX, I do not hold my breath.

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User currently onlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

I'm not holding my breath.....and I can dream a bit.....but a nonstop BDL-BDA flight would warm the hearts of us cold New Englanders!!!

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

I know this might be a bit premature, and while Hartford may not be New York or Boston, I wonder if a small focus city will develop there. There are plenty of destinations where B6 can fly. TPA and seasonal RSW would compete with WN, but if there isn't enough room for competition, then there may be a few other cities they can fly to as well.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
Just to be clear, I assume LAX and not LGB? I would think the former would have a far higher RASM.

That's what I'd assume, especially given how few slots there are at LGB.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3326 times:
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Somewhat related jetBlue is adding staff at CHS as well.


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User currently onlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

I don't know about a large "focus city" at BDL, but I could see the station growing upwards to 10-12 departures a day to various destinations. Trans-con? Possible, and most definitely more Florida and San Juan service. With the large amount of leisure traffic and low fare searchers here in Southern New England, I could see some new vacation markets opening....I mentioned Bermuda...a very popular destination up here. Delta ran a tag to Boston and down to the island for many years with L-1011's...that says something. Don't think it will happen, but JFK service to connect to the rest of the system would be nice...but slots are valuable there and I'm sure B6 can get enough traffic on PTP's out of BDL.

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting CairnterriAIR (Reply 9):
I don't know about a large "focus city" at BDL, but I could see the station growing upwards to 10-12 departures a day to various destinations. Trans-con? Possible, and most definitely more Florida and San Juan service. With the large amount of leisure traffic and low fare searchers here in Southern New England, I could see some new vacation markets opening....I mentioned Bermuda...a very popular destination up here.

I said a small focus city, not anything that would rival BOS or JFK, but still larger than their other spokes. Going by Q2 2012 data, BDL should be able to support B6 service to LAX/LGB (237 PDEW), SFO/OAK (180 PDEW), and maybe seasonal PHX (117 PDEW). BDA would be seasonal if it worked. Then if there is enough of a presence, competing on routes gets easier.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Is this "adding 38 workers" or is it more moving from contract to Jetblue staff? (either way still sounds like an add, but not 38 NEW positions.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 10):
Going by Q2 2012 data, BDL should be able to support B6 service to LAX/LGB (237 PDEW), SFO/OAK (180 PDEW), and maybe seasonal PHX (117 PDEW).

The only one of those i might give you is LAX.... when looking at PDEW #'s you really need to be able to show at least double an airplanes worth.

1) not everyone can fly at that particular time of day
2) many will still have airline preferences (DL has the strongest loyalty factor by far for BDL-LAX, hence why they attempted it as many times as they did and UA did not)
3) some will be price sensitive and take the cheapest option

So really, esp for a long haul flight you need to see at LEAST 250 PDEW, if not closer to 300 before someone would probably jump on it. At 117 PDEW PHX won't be seeing service anytime soon from anyone.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
The only one of those i might give you is LAX.... when looking at PDEW #'s you really need to be able to show at least double an airplanes worth.

1) not everyone can fly at that particular time of day
2) many will still have airline preferences (DL has the strongest loyalty factor by far for BDL-LAX, hence why they attempted it as many times as they did and UA did not)
3) some will be price sensitive and take the cheapest option

So really, esp for a long haul flight you need to see at LEAST 250 PDEW, if not closer to 300 before someone would probably jump on it. At 117 PDEW PHX won't be seeing service anytime soon from anyone.

All good points, but there are exceptions to those rules. Also, these cities do not have a nonstop yet, and while you might be right about PHX, they might be able to raise the 70 PDEW for BDL-SFO to work. BDL is two hours from BOS, JFK, and EWR, but there are plenty of places between BDL and those airports like Worcester and Bridgeport where they can entice other pax who would otherwise go to BOS, JFK, or EWR for a nonstop flight to SFO.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 12):
BDL is two hours from BOS, JFK, and EWR, but there are plenty of places between BDL and those airports like Worcester and Bridgeport where they can entice other pax who would otherwise go to BOS, JFK, or EWR for a nonstop flight to SFO.

Anyone driving over 2 hours to save a 1 hr connection is doing it wrong :p

But really thats what they were banking on for AMS to work and it didn't. From the airline perspective if they are flying that same passenger ALREADY just from another airport, then why take the risk? Thats why the numbers need to be there already for an airline to give it serious thought.



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User currently offlineglobetrotter29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):

Worcester and Bridgeport are not 2 hours from BDL. BDL bleeds a ton of traffic to Boston and New York. It's a pain in the neck, but for significantly lower costs it's worth it. My family used to drive to HPN to fly to PBI until B6 entered the market (prior to that we flew Song). My aunt and uncle regularly trip down to JFK to get to the Caribbean. When I have gone to Europe, I flew out of JFK.

BDL's advantage is it's convenience. Boston and New York are over capacity, congested, and delay prone. BDL is big enough to be comfortable with good amenities , yet does not have the lines or crowded taxiways. This is BDL's greatest asset.

BDL could sustain a much greater volume of traffic. However, airlines at BDL are making a pretty penny with their current prices and existing frequencies. I'm hard pressed to see them adding flights and lowering fares to new destinations when connecting through the hubs is much more economical.


User currently offlinerichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 12):
BDL is two hours from BOS, JFK, and EWR, but there are plenty of places between BDL and those airports like Worcester and Bridgeport where they can entice other pax who would otherwise go to BOS, JFK, or EWR for a nonstop flight to SFO.

I'll give you BOS, but do you really think BDL is 2 hours from JFK and EWR? Maybe in the middle of the night with no road construction but that's simply not a realistic estimate. I'd say anybody living in the Hartford area (20 minutes closer to NYC than BDL itself) is looking at a 2.5-3-hour drive to JFK, and over 3 to EWR. To 'guarantee' being there in time for a flight, you'd probably have to allow even more time to accommodate traffic and bridge congestion, etc.

I assume you know that BDR (Bridgeport) hasn't entertained commercial flights since the 1990s.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 13):
Anyone driving over 2 hours to save a 1 hr connection is doing it wrong :p

Yes and no.
Let's say you live in Hartford and are traveling to the West Coast. With no such direct flight offered from BDL, 20 minutes away, you'd have to connect if you desire to use BDL. So add in AT LEAST one hour for a connection, often more depending on your hub. Driving to JFK is, as indicated in my above paragraph, about a 3 hour proposition at many times of day, but the flight is going to be nonstop. So while the math is in your favor to fly from BDL in terms of duration (say 2 hours combined driving to BDL and connecting versus 3 hours driving to JFK with no connection time), other factors may still make the NY airports the more attractive alternative. Yes, BDL is less overwhelming than the NY airports, but other factors such as the cost of ticket, frequency, and the chance of missing the connection might swing the scales toward JFK or EWR. Apply the same math to BOS and there is even less of an advantage to using BDL in terms of time saved.
The further you get away from BDL, the more the pendulum may swing one way or another toward either BOS or JFK/EWR but these are real choices thast people make every day. I was sad that NW canceled their AMS service but I really couldn't imagine BDL supporting such a daily operation, not with BOS and NYC relatively nearby. The CT population alone could not support such a flight. People on this site like to differ, and that's fine, but the proof is in the pudding; NW/DL tried it and even with a B757, it didn't work.

BTW - seems to me most of the new BDL jobs are because of JetBlue's insourcing of GSE and not because of a major expansion. Sure, an additional flight or two makes sense down the road, but not dozens of new destinations. I cannot imagine that BDL is about to become a focus city for jetBlue.



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User currently offlineicebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

We are only running 24-26 slots at LGB right now so who knows what the remaining slots will be used for in 2013. Maybe LGB-FAI, maybe second LGB-ANC, maybe LGB-PHX, maybe LGB-BDL? We will have to wait and see but I know everything is on the table. I would love to have LGB-BDL since my in-laws live in BDL.


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 15):
I'll give you BOS, but do you really think BDL is 2 hours from JFK and EWR? Maybe in the middle of the night with no road construction but that's simply not a realistic estimate. I'd say anybody living in the Hartford area (20 minutes closer to NYC than BDL itself) is looking at a 2.5-3-hour drive to JFK, and

I dont think the Hartford proper leaks much at all to JFK/BOS but areas like Stamford where the real $$$ is at, is where the most market leakage occurs.

Its the Hartford folks driving to BOS or JFK for a nonstop that are the ones "doing it wrong"

Its the Stamford passengers that an airline like Jetblue or Delta would probably get either way.



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User currently offlineMKE22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1143 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
ust to be clear, I assume LAX and not LGB? I would think the former would have a far higher RASM.

LAX would make more sense, because that way LGB would not have to use up the few slots that B6 has there right now. LGB is pretty crammed right now.



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User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Quoting richierich (Reply 15):
I'll give you BOS, but do you really think BDL is 2 hours from JFK and EWR? Maybe in the middle of the night with no road construction but that's simply not a realistic estimate. I'd say anybody living in the Hartford area (20 minutes closer to NYC than BDL itself) is looking at a 2.5-3-hour drive to JFK, and over 3 to EWR. To 'guarantee' being there in time for a flight, you'd probably have to allow even more time to accommodate traffic and bridge congestion, etc.

I've never done the drive (I'm from Eastern MA), but using Microsoft Streets and Trips, BDL-BOS is 1 hour and 47 minutes, BDL-JFK is 2 hours and 16 minutes, and BDL-EWR is 2 hours and 29 minutes. So I shouldn't have rounded down, and this probably doesn't take into account any NYC traffic, but it's within a half hour.

Quoting richierich (Reply 15):
I assume you know that BDR (Bridgeport) hasn't entertained commercial flights since the 1990s.

Sorry, the way I phrased that looked wierd. ORH doesn't have any commercial flights either. What I meant to say was Worcester is about halfway between BDL and BOS while Bridgeport was about halfway between BDL and JFK. Both are fairly large cities (Bridgeport is the largest city in CT, Worcester is the 2nd largest city in MA) and it is easy to snatch pax going to the West Coast who would otherwise go to BOS or JFK.

Quoting richierich (Reply 15):
I cannot imagine that BDL is about to become a focus city for jetBlue.

At 2 million people, Hartford/Springfield is on par with the likes of AUS, CMH, IND, and MCI. So I think that BDL can support a small focus city the way those cities do. BDL would have service to MCO, FLL, SJU, and LGB, with a little point-to-point (SFO, TPA, PBI, RSW, even DCA?) thrown in, a total of 10 destinations tops.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13130 posts, RR: 100
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2405 times:
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Quoting MKE22 (Reply 18):
LGB is pretty crammed right now.

LGB might lack slots, but even with the temporary concourses is far less crammed than LAX.

I cannot wait to try the new concourse!   

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User currently offlineicebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
LGB might lack slots, but even with the temporary concourses is far less crammed than LAX.

I cannot wait to try the new concourse!

Lightsaber

That changes tomorrow as our new terminal opens. Tonight should be interesting as we move aircraft and equiptment to new gates. It looks really cool. Check out http://klgb.blogspot.com for pics I took earlier this week at the ribbon cutting ceremony. The food from the new vendors is also really good!



LGB....where you can watch the grass grow because the traffic is so slow.
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2251 times:
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Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
Is this "adding 38 workers" or is it more moving from contract to Jetblue staff? (either way still sounds like an add, but not 38 NEW positions.

The way ASIG handled the ramp contract. Im not willing to believe they had 38 employees for JetBlue. So there is a net job gain eithet way you look at it.



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 22):
The way ASIG handled the ramp contract. Im not willing to believe they had 38 employees for JetBlue. So there is a net job gain eithet way you look at it.

Its probably close to that...

Assume morning, midday and evening/RON are 3 different shifts of 6 employyes each (18)... one set works 4 days, one set works 3

That equals 36... add in 2 full time managers and you are at 38.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 8):
Somewhat related jetBlue is adding staff at CHS as well.

Probably because they are starting JFK and BOS service to CHS from February.


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