PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4959 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 53084 times:
Copied and pasted United787's last post about current 787 deliveries.
Please note again this is his work, not mine, i'm posting this for references purposes only. Please update the list if anything was missed.
DELIVERED TO DATE: 38 Aircraft to 8 Airlines
DELIVERIES PRIOR TO NOVEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; AI-3; ET-3; LA-2; UA–2; QR-1
NOVEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 64 - A7-BCL – 11/06/2012- QR #2
L/N 61 - SP-LRA - 11/09/2012 - LO #1
L/N 44 - ET-AOP - 11/19/2012 - ET #4
L/N 57 - A7-BCA – 11/20/2012 - QR #3
L/N 50 - N20902 - 11/20/2012 - UA #3
NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - xx/xx/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/xx/2012 - UA #4
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/xx/2012 - QR #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #17 Awaiting first flight
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18 Awaiting first flight
L/N 45 - N26901 – 12/xx/2012 – UA #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/xx/2012 - QR #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – 1/xx/2013 - LO #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 52 - N26903 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 2 for CZ; & 2 for HU.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 53016 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4): ZA183 just copied clearance to Moses Lake for their B-1 flgiht test. Hopefully they'll be on the move and that'll be Boeing's 6 787 B-1 in one week.
How's the weather in Everett? Looking out my office window in downtown Seattle, ceilings look *very* low...
Most gorgeous aircraft: Tu-204-300, 757-200, A330-200, 777-200LR, 787-8
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5153 posts, RR: 49 Reply 6, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 53000 times:
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 5): How's the weather in Everett? Looking out my office window in downtown Seattle, ceilings look *very* low...
Looking at teh Everett web cam, it seems that there is some clearing tothe north of the airfield, ceilings are about 2200 ft so abovethe minimums needed for a B-1 flight.
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11952 posts, RR: 37 Reply 7, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 52912 times:
Five a month isn't too bad; what is the combined total of production from both sites, Seattle and Charleston? How long does Boeing expect it to take before both sites reach optimum/maximum production?
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5153 posts, RR: 49 Reply 9, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 52847 times:
Quoting kaitak (Reply 7): Five a month isn't too bad; what is the combined total of production from both sites, Seattle and Charleston? How long does Boeing expect it to take before both sites reach optimum/maximum production?
Currently Everett is at 4/month and Charleston is at 1/month.
It is to go up to 7/month by middle of next year but I don't know the split. I am willing to bet that by mid-lae summer Everett will be at 5/month and Charleston will be at 2/month.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 52785 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3): Copied and pasted United787's last post about current 787 deliveries.
Please note again this is his work, not mine, i'm posting this for references purposes only. Please update the list if anything was missed.
Thanks PHX787... I was hoping the LA (L/N 80) aircraft would be delivered by now... but here is the updated list...I have taken some liberties in guessing December deliveries. For example, the LO #2 (L/N 78) I show as January since someone had stated LOT isn't expecting it until then...this could be ready this month. I was surprised that for UA, L/N 52 flew before L/N 45, so I switched those and others around to reflect their apparent progress based on their first flights...
As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
DELIVERED TO DATE: 38 Aircraft to 8 Airlines
DELIVERIES PRIOR TO DECEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; ET-4; AI-3; UA–3; QR-3; LA-2; LO-1
NO DELIVERIES IN DECEMBER TO DATE But a plethora on the horizon!
NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 12/xx/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/xx/2012 - UA #4
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/xx/2012 - QR #4
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #17
L/N 52 - N26903 – 12/xx/2012 – UA #5
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/xx/2012 - QR #5
L/N 84 – JA829A – 12/xx/2012 – JL #7
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – 1/xx/2013 - LO #2
L/N 45 - N26901 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 2 for CZ; & 2 for HU.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 52182 times:
Looks like Boeing needs to deliver another Qatar 787 as LN57 ZA460 38319 A7-BCA Qatar Airways is on the way to Doha. Couldn't post the flightaware link as something is messed up on their site tonight..
QTR3787 B788 So California Logistics (KVCV) Doha Int'l (OTBD / DOH) Fri 06:31PM PST Sat 08:03PM AST 14:38
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8266 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 52151 times:
Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 15): Looks like Boeing needs to deliver another Qatat 787 as LN57 ZA460 38319 A7-BCA Qatar Airways is on the way to Doha. Couldn't post the flightaware link as something is messed up on their site tonight..
QTR3787 B788 So California Logistics (KVCV) Doha Int'l (OTBD / DOH) Fri 06:31PM PST Sat 08:03PM AST 14:38
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 47418 times:
Ironic, Boeing can deliver more 787s than customers will take:
AI - Want them but can't afford them
CZ and HU - Want them but China won't let them have them yet
QR - Will only take one at time for IFE installation
LO - Looks like one will be ready soon but they are expecting it in January and may not want it early
UA - Was only expecting 5 this year and may not want the 6th early
If the projection was 35-42 787s this year (source: NYC777), it seems like there may have been a chance they could have hit 53!
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5153 posts, RR: 49 Reply 25, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 47831 times:
UAL has said in SEC filings that they are expecting to take delivery of 5 787s by the end of the year. They have 3 so far and I expect two more delivered by the end of the month and one more in January.
Now that it's getting time for customers to lay out the big cash, they might not want to rush into things. It's refreshing to see that fewer holdups are caused by Boeing...but it could all come to a crashing halt if the SPEEA strike happens.
Quote: Boeing’s engineering union has begun making detailed preparations for a strike that could come as soon as February, the executive director of the union said Friday.
“I think there is a very high chance of a strike,” said Ray Goforth, executive director of the Society of Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA).
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 32, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 46487 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 31): If, as Suresh says, it definitely won't be delivered until after Jan. 1st, why would the customer be flying it around this early?
Most likely the LOT crew wants to spend the holidays in Warsaw rather than Everett.
Most gorgeous aircraft: Tu-204-300, 757-200, A330-200, 777-200LR, 787-8
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 33, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 46423 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 31): Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 28):LOT ZA271 (78) out on a C-2.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE271
If, as Suresh says, it definitely won't be delivered until after Jan. 1st, why would the customer be flying it around this early?
Can't say for sure, but this way everything can be completed except the money changing hands and all of the LOT personnel can go home for the holidays and not be here flying between Xmas and New Years. This way they just show up on January 3rd, pay the $$$$, get the keys and take to the sky.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 35, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 46117 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 34): I was listening to the ATC for BOE271 this morning as it left on the test flight. It wasn't a LOT crew at the controls. It was a Boeing crew.
During a customer flight the Boeing captain sitting in the right seat makes all of the radio calls so I don't understand how you determined it was not a customer flight -- please explain. Also, some customer flights are manned by an all Boeing crew.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 37, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 45099 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 36): Anyone see this previously? JA656J
Doraemon Jet....was this one delivered in this livery or not?
flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1052 posts, RR: 1 Reply 39, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 44273 times:
Came across this tweet this morning by Max K-J of Flightglobal:
"Qatar" very disappointed" with Boeing as 3rd #B787 diverted on del flight due to tech and is grounded"
Anyone know where it diverted to or what the issue was?
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 43, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 43994 times:
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 42): UAL ZA285 (45) scheduled for its B-1 again today if the wx doesn't keep them on the ground again.
That frame is snakebit. By my count this is the fourth attempt at a B-1, and it doesn't look any more promising today than it has the last three times they tried.
Most gorgeous aircraft: Tu-204-300, 757-200, A330-200, 777-200LR, 787-8
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 44, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 43876 times:
Quoting seabosdca (Reply 43):
That frame is snakebit. By my count this is the fourth attempt at a B-1, and it doesn't look any more promising today than it has the last three times they tried.
Wx is good to go right now, they need to get airborne.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 47, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 43458 times:
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 45): ZA235 is now in the air, take off around 1635Z, Tweeted by Matt Cawby.
I assume that you mean ZA285?
Aside from the AI, HU and CZ aircraft, this may be one of the last change and incorporation planes for a while. This and four other aircraft should be delivered in the next few weeks leaving only new builds ready to deliver.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5153 posts, RR: 49 Reply 56, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 41586 times:
Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 54): Some good news for a change: AI's 4th delivery is slated for the end of the month.
Just one? there are 4 ready on the CHS flightline, another 2 that is in production and 5 that are undergoing change incorporation or will under go change incorporation over the next few months. I hope Boeing is charging AI a storage fee at least and I say that in all seriousness.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5153 posts, RR: 49 Reply 58, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 41338 times:
Getting word that LOT's second 787 should be delivered around middle of next week with delivery towards the end of the week. That was fast but they did conduct 4 test flights in a short amount of time. This is all provisional due to the current turmoil at LOT.
Aircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1419 posts, RR: 9 Reply 59, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 41154 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 58): Getting word that LOT's second 787 should be delivered around middle of next week with delivery towards the end of the week.
I guess the word "flight" is missing from the second half of that sentence
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 60, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 41050 times:
As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
DELIVERED TO DATE: 40 Aircraft to 8 Airlines
DELIVERIES PRIOR TO DECEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; ET-4; AI-3; UA–3; QR-3; LA-2; LO-1
DECEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 12/7/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/14/2012 - UA #4
NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/19/2012 - QR #4
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/19/2012 - QR #5
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #17
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18
L/N 52 - N26903 – 12/xx/2012 – UA #5
L/N 84 – JA829A – 12/xx/2012 – JL #7
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – xx/xx/2013 - LO #2
L/N 45 - N26901 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 3 for HU; & 2 for CZ.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4959 posts, RR: 14 Reply 61, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 41005 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 60): In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 3 for HU; & 2 for CZ.
Ok I have a throbbing question which probably has been answered but I didn't catch up on-
Are these the a/c sitting on the PAE runway, along with those NH/JL planes? What's wrong with those aircraft? Will those be delivered?
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 62, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 40983 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 61): Are these the a/c sitting on the PAE runway, along with those NH/JL planes? What's wrong with those aircraft? Will those be delivered?
I am not sure if this answers your questions but:
The 4 AI birds are at CHC
2 of the HU birds are at PAE (South Ramp)
1 of the HU birds is at CHC
The 2 CZ birds are at PAE but not on the runway (Flightline and South Ramp)
The planes on the runway are L/N 10-12, 14-15, 18-19, 26 & 28 were originally for LA, NH, AT and AI and are awaiting change incorporation. They will be delivered but may be to different airlines and won't be for a while.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4959 posts, RR: 14 Reply 63, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 40913 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 62): The planes on the runway are L/N 10-12, 14-15, 18-19, 26 & 28 were originally for LA, NH, AT and AI and are awaiting change incorporation. They will be delivered but may be to different airlines and won't be for a while.
Another stupid question- what does Change Incorporation entail?
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 64, posted (5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 40829 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 63): what does Change Incorporation entail?
Those airframes were completed before Boeing received the Type Certificate for the 787, so any differences on those planes needs to be addressed to bring them in compliance with the Type Certificate. They will also replace any parts or systems affected by the long-term storage.
For example, Airplane 23 - ZA177 for Japan Airlines - spent eight months at San Antonio undergoing change incorporation. Per a blog post by Jon Ostrower, this included:
"...wholesale replacement of its environmental control system air-conditioning packs and modification of ducting and baffling in the aircraft's cabin, as well as motor and fan changes and related software.
Further, modifications were made to the aircraft's flight control system hardware and software, changing out the outboard ailerons, outboard and inboard flaps and flaperons, as well as making changes to the elevator and rudder systems.
The aircraft now features a new wiring configuration, along with the fully certified version of the updated electrical power distribution system that was changed after the November 2010 fire aboard test aircraft ZA002."
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 65, posted (5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 40824 times:
Both ANA ZA510 (59) and QTR ZA462 (62) are out on C-2's today--should be easily ready before Xmas. Only ANA ZA512 (83) and UAL ZA285 (45) left to start customer flights.
aklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 688 posts, RR: 0 Reply 66, posted (5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 40440 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 62): I am not sure if this answers your questions but:
The 4 AI birds are at CHC
2 of the HU birds are at PAE (South Ramp)
1 of the HU birds is at CHC
The 2 CZ birds are at PAE but not on the runway (Flightline and South Ramp)
I'm on my way to New Zealand now. I'll check out those 787's, unless they are actually at CHS.
BlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1708 posts, RR: 4 Reply 67, posted (5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 40164 times:
I've got information that apparently the delivery flight crew is leaving for Seattle this Tuesday and that SP-LRB is expected to arrive at Warsaw on 20th of December. Which would indicate delivery is indeed being expedited from early January, which is great.
hkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 165 posts, RR: 1 Reply 69, posted (5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 39069 times:
With 2012 coming to an end, i thought i would open the debate on volume/customers for 2013.
Based on 5/month now, increasing to 7/month mid year and then 10/month at year + factoring in 789 test planes being built and a few deliveries from the EMC, we should be looking at 75-85 deliveries in 2013, up from ~45 in 2012.
The customer list looks like this based on data released by the various airlines:
I know the numbers don't add up to 75-85 as some airline data is old and more importantly airlines are in continuous discussions with airbus re: delivery schedules. To get from the 74 identified to 75-85, we may see additional frames delivered to JAL, Hainan, China Southern, ILFC, and Air India. The other airline figures are pretty safe.
Capt747ret From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 18 posts, RR: 1 Reply 71, posted (5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 37525 times:
We have seen 4 of the AI frames flown in the past week or so. AI has 3 frames that are ready for delivery and now B is flying LN72 while moving another into EMC. So the Big question is: What's up?
My guess is that B has worked a deal to take AI’s 777-200’s in on trade for the 787’s. B and the USA need to move the AI backlog. With the Em Ex Bank working with all parties I can see this.
With all the AI frames being flown and more in the production line, something needs to give. This must be a huge embarrassment and hit on revenue for GOI, AI and B.
Don't expect it to be delviered until early February at the earliest.
I have updated my 787 tables to reflect the firing order for LN 116 to LN 130 as well as some interesting analysis on the first 787-9 (LN126, ZB001). I have also put up a new blog post to go along with the updated tables.
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1768 posts, RR: 6 Reply 77, posted (5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 37026 times:
Quoting Capt747ret (Reply 71): We have seen 4 of the AI frames flown in the past week or so. AI has 3 frames that are ready for delivery and now B is flying LN72 while moving another into EMC. So the Big question is: What's up?
My guess is that B has worked a deal to take AI’s 777-200’s in on trade for the 787’s. B and the USA need to move the AI backlog. With the Em Ex Bank working with all parties I can see this.
With all the AI frames being flown and more in the production line, something needs to give. This must be a huge embarrassment and hit on revenue for GOI, AI and B.
An Air India spokesman said earlier that the company would receive a total of 7 787 aircraft in the fiscal year of 2012 (which ends on 31 March 2013); 5 of them were due for delivery in the year 2012. If that is still the case then we should see 2 more deliveries this year and 2 more by the end of March 2013.
Also, Air India should receive 7 more 787 aircraft in the fiscal year of 2013 (which ends in 2014). Rework on the early frames takes at least 6 months, that's why there are already 3 frames at the EMC.
So with that knowledge we can start sorting out the deliveries. A possibility is:
PA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 694 posts, RR: 0 Reply 81, posted (5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 36434 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75): I have updated my 787 tables to reflect the firing order for LN 116 to LN 130 as well as some interesting analysis on the first 787-9 (LN126, ZB001). I have also put up a new blog post to go along with the updated tables.
The spreadsheet makes no reference to LN 126 going to Air New Zealand. Will the first 789 for Air New Zealand be one of the other test aircraft?
hkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 165 posts, RR: 1 Reply 83, posted (5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 36185 times:
The first 789 delivery to ANZ will be LN004. ZB 001--003 will be 3 test flight aircraft that MAY eventually be reassigned to customers should they still be seem fit post test flights. the first 789 delivery remains LN004 to ANZ.
Regards
A
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 84, posted (5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 36149 times:
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83): ZB 001--003 will be 3 test flight aircraft that MAY eventually be reassigned to customers should they still be seem fit post test flights.
I'm sure they have homes lined up for them.
Unlike the first three 787-8 test frames, these should be at spec (or better) and should have little to no change incorporation or re-work necessary.
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 85, posted (5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 36039 times:
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83): ZB 001--003 will be 3 test flight aircraft that MAY eventually be reassigned to customers
They're already assigned to customers. As were ZA001-ZA006...they only ended up stuck with Boeing *after* the whole initial production mess. ZA002 was in ANA livery (and ZA003 originally came with a Northwest rudder) because that's where those aircraft were supposed to end up.
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83): should they still be seem fit post test flights. the first 789 delivery remains LN004 to ANZ.
First delivery is never a flight test frame...refurb takes to long. That's the not the same thing as flight test aircraft not being assigned to customers. They normally are, they just deliver after a long delay.
Hi Tom, I may be a little fuzzy on this, my memory ain't what it used to be when I had a lot less gray hair, but didn't ANA agree to that livery only as "advertising?" IIRC they were not actually going to take that specific plane.
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1768 posts, RR: 6 Reply 88, posted (5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 35877 times:
Quoting ER757 (Reply 87): Hi Tom, I may be a little fuzzy on this, my memory ain't what it used to be when I had a lot less gray hair, but didn't ANA agree to that livery only as "advertising?" IIRC they were not actually going to take that specific plane.
"Boeing also confirms that the first six test flight aircraft, once destined for customers ANA, Delta Air Lines and Royal Air Maroc are no longer assigned to specific airlines.
Adding that the company is confident it will be able to place the six refurbished flight test aircraft with customers."
"Boeing determined in August 2009 the first three 787s had no commercial value, and their costs would be recorded as research and development expense."
N14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2313 posts, RR: 25 Reply 89, posted (5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 35843 times:
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 69): With 2012 coming to an end, i thought i would open the debate on volume/customers for 2013. [...] + factoring in 789 test planes being built
Waow, I wasn't aware that we will see the first 789 next year. What's the time schedule for the first prototype?
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 90, posted (5 months 4 days ago) and read 35792 times:
Quoting ER757 (Reply 87): Hi Tom, I may be a little fuzzy on this, my memory ain't what it used to be when I had a lot less gray hair, but didn't ANA agree to that livery only as "advertising?"
As I understand it, that was the agreement reached after Boeing decided not to sell the aircraft. It was originally (many years ago) actually supposed to go to ANA. After Boeing decided (ANA decreed?) that ZA002 would not go to ANA they got permission to keep it in ANA livery for the duration of the test program.
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 89): Waow, I wasn't aware that we will see the first 789 next year. What's the time schedule for the first prototype?
Technically, ZB001 is a not a prototype. The only 787 that label would correctly apply to (and even that is debatable since it was retroactive) is ZA001.
ferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 1773 posts, RR: 57 Reply 91, posted (5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 35626 times:
Boeing have now released a 787 ACAP 10-2012 which lists the OEWs and also gives a payload-range chart. In the end it show that the 12-2011 ACAP was correct for those that could count, MZFW-MSP give you OEW (for ACAPs ). It was then 118t for a 224seat config, today it is 117.7t for a 242 seat config. For those that did not care to count back then there was a dream (pun intended ) OEW of 111.5t .
All the final data and the Payload-range chart here:
Boeing shall be commended for finally stating the OEW, Airbus has stopped doing that since about a year. For those that now say that the A330-200 is then lighter at 116.7t for the GE variant I would say this was long time ago when the MTOW was lower, I think we are very close to 120t for a spec OEW for a 332 today. Anyway this is not the thread for a B vs A weight discussion, lets then start a new thread for that. Just wanted to announce that the real data is now available on the Boeing ACAP site:
klkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 803 posts, RR: 0 Reply 92, posted (5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 35575 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 90): Quoting N14AZ (Reply 89):Waow, I wasn't aware that we will see the first 789 next year. What's the time schedule for the first prototype?
It's supposed to enter production in the spring and go into flight test in the fall
This should be interesting. Does this mean the 789 and 359 will be doing their test flights at the same time? Should be some interesting A vs. B threads this time next year.
Others have already chimed in about other aspects, but also note that the line numbers are shared between the 787 models, rather than starting from 1 and having a separate count for 787-8s and 787-9s. The first (and second and so on) 787-9 will have a line number which slots in among the production 787-8s.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5153 posts, RR: 49 Reply 98, posted (5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 33942 times:
Boeing has confirmed to me that they have delivered 787s to Qatar and LOT but hasn't confirmed Air India. There is flight plan filed for AI 170 from CHS to FRA leaving at 3pm.
starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1081 posts, RR: 2 Reply 99, posted (5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 33915 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 98): Boeing has confirmed to me that they have delivered 787s to Qatar and LOT but hasn't confirmed Air India. There is flight plan filed for AI 170 from CHS to FRA leaving at 3pm.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 114, posted (5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 33439 times:
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 109): Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today, 7 in December and 42 in 2012 thus far. I don't think they're done for the month.
My head is spinning! Merry Christmas Boeing!
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 111): 2 UAL, 1 ANA, 1 QTR to go unless something unexpected pops up to add to the total.
I know it was reported here that QR would be taking two at this time. Given that they only delivered one today and their is a clear pattern of them taking only one at time so they can send them down to VCV for IFE work etc., I am guessing that L/N 82 won't be delivered until mid January, IMHO.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 116, posted (5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 33249 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112): UA would receive 5 787 aircraft in 2012 and they have already 4 of them. The 6th one (ZA285) is for next year
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 113): That's correct, UAL stated in their regulatory filings that they take 5 787s by the end of the year.
Quoting United787 (Reply 114): I know it was reported here that QR would be taking two at this time. Given that they only delivered one today and their is a clear pattern of them taking only one at time so they can send them down to VCV for IFE work etc., I am guessing that L/N 82 won't be delivered until mid January, IMHO.
Both the airplanes have completed their customer flights (+/-) and I'm not so sure "regulatory filings" or when VCV will be available for mod work will trump Boeing's desire to get the cash this year. There's plenty of parking space at VCV. We'll see.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4004 posts, RR: 6 Reply 119, posted (5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 33044 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 117): Ok so make that 6 as Boeing delivered a 787 to United
Does anyone know how many UA will take next year? I think they will have 5 left in the pmCO order for 11 788, I'd imagine they may take all of those (plus 901) next year and start taking -9's in 2014?
Dan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 90 posts, RR: 0 Reply 125, posted (5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32754 times:
Very impressive days work by the delivery team. The bank balance will have got a very nice boost.
43 for the year (so far) is a good result after what was a slow start to the year. Is the delivery outlook for 2013 still expected to be in the order of 70-80 frames?
The guidance was between 70 and 85 deliveries of 787s and 747-8s combined, with approximately half of each. A lot of people have interpreted this as 35-42 787s, but a look at the numbers shows that even if every 747-8 produced up to the the end of the year was delivered then that wouldn't have made 42 747-8s. Therefore I believe the range for 787s was really closer to 40-52.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 132, posted (5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 32521 times:
As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
DELIVERED TO DATE: 46 Aircraft to 8 Airlines
DELIVERIES PRIOR TO DECEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; ET-4; AI-3; UA–3; QR-3; LA-2; LO-1
DECEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 12/7/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/14/2012 - UA #4
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – 12/20/2012 - LO #2
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/20/2012 - QR #4
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/20/2012 - NH #17
L/N 84 – JA829J – 12/20/2012 – JL #7
L/N 60 - VT-ANK – 12/20/2012 - AI #4
L/N 52 - N26903 – 12/20/2012 – UA #5
NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/xx/2012 - QR #5
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18
L/N 45 - N26901 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – 1/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 3 for AI; 3 for HU; & 2 for CZ.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 138, posted (5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 31154 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 114): I know it was reported here that QR would be taking two at this time. Given that they only delivered one today and their is a clear pattern of them taking only one at time so they can send them down to VCV for IFE work etc., I am guessing that L/N 82 won't be delivered until mid January, IMHO.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 113): That's correct, UAL stated in their regulatory filings that they take 5 787s by the end of the year
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 136): Boeing is not done with deliveries, another 787 for Qatar scheduled to leave for VCV tonight
"Money talks (especially at the end of year/half/quarter as far as Boeing is concerned) -- you know the rest.
The fact that QTR already had one in mod didn't stop the second delivery and I don't think the regulatory filings will stop UAL from taking 6 this year.
ANA ZA512 appears to be out on an engineering flight today which may push its delivery to next year.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 139, posted (5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 31149 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 136): Boeing is not done with deliveries, another 787 for Qatar scheduled to leave for VCV tonight
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 138): "Money talks (especially at the end of year/half/quarter as far as Boeing is concerned) -- you know the rest.
The fact that QTR already had one in mod didn't stop the second delivery and I don't think the regulatory filings will stop UAL from taking 6 this year.
I happily stand corrected! Maybe AI will even scrape up some more cash and take 3 more this year...
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 140, posted (5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 31169 times:
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 137): China must be really cheesed off about something. I wonder what particular political wrangling is going on concerning this.
And yet, if they just approved the purchase of 30 777s....
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5932 posts, RR: 4 Reply 141, posted (5 months 2 days ago) and read 31005 times:
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 137): China must be really cheesed off about something. I wonder what particular political wrangling is going on concerning this.
What the...?
Dunno, but if they're replacing less fuel effecient aircraft, think of all the fuel China could be saving as a country by replacing them with 787's...
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 144, posted (5 months 16 hours ago) and read 29421 times:
I apologize if this isn't the appropriate thread, but I am interested in hearing more about the 787-9 schedule... both the first example to test as well as NZ and UA's planes.
Also can anyone update us on the schedule for the sUA orders? After the 11 sCO orders, when is the next 787-8 due?
SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 145, posted (5 months 16 hours ago) and read 29433 times:
The 789 will be assembled this winter/spring with its first flight in the 3d quarter this year. NZ is the launch customer.
IIRC, after the first 11 788s are delivered to UA, their next set won't be delivered till later in 2014. They will be taking a lot of 789s and they should be among the first airlines to get the 789.
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8266 posts, RR: 5 Reply 146, posted (5 months 15 hours ago) and read 29386 times:
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 145): They will be taking a lot of 789s and they should be among the first airlines to get the 789.
LAN Airlines expects to be the first carrier in the Americas to take delivery of the B-787-9. Just as LAN Airlines was the first carrier in the Americas to take delivery of the B-787-8.
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1768 posts, RR: 6 Reply 147, posted (5 months 12 hours ago) and read 29203 times:
And there is more good news: LN34 / ZA380 / B-2725 is now also back on the flightline. None of the completed Chinese birds at PAE are in storage anymore.
kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11952 posts, RR: 37 Reply 148, posted (5 months 11 hours ago) and read 29156 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 147): nd there is more good news: LN34 / ZA380 / B-2725 is now also back on the flightline. None of the completed Chinese birds at PAE are in storage anymore.
SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 152, posted (5 months 4 hours ago) and read 28955 times:
I'd expect the Chinese deliveries to take place in the month of January. They just need to complete their Boeing and customer flights and they'll be good to go. Each already completed change incorporation this year.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 153, posted (5 months 4 hours ago) and read 28970 times:
Quoting DCMTL (Reply 151): Does anyone have an update on the frames in Change Incorporation?
Per All Things 787, the following frames are in the EMC so they should all be working towards delivery in 2013:
LN17 - Royal Air Maroc
LN20 - Japan Airlines
LN21 - Japan Airlines
LN28 - Air India
LN30 - Air India
LN32 - Air India
LN36 - China Southern Airlines
LN39 - Ethiopian Airlines
DCMTL From Canada, joined Dec 2012, 2 posts, RR: 0 Reply 154, posted (5 months 4 hours ago) and read 28909 times:
LN21 and LN39 both have Engines attached (per All Things 787) and have for some time. Does that mean they are almost complete? Will they be finished in January?
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4959 posts, RR: 14 Reply 157, posted (5 months 2 hours ago) and read 28661 times:
Quoting kanban (Reply 155): Thinking ahead to the -9, would it be appropriate to start a "787-9 mfg/test" thread as a stand alone, or would it be too confusing?
Have they any work completed on the test frame anyway?
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5153 posts, RR: 49 Reply 160, posted (4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 27524 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 153): LN17 - Royal Air Maroc
LN20 - Japan Airlines
LN21 - Japan Airlines
LN28 - Air India
LN30 - Air India
LN32 - Air India
LN36 - China Southern Airlines
LN39 - Ethiopian Airlines
When LN 17 is delivered next year it mostly likely won't be to RAM but to another customer who will obviously get a nice discount.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 161, posted (4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 27430 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 156): How much will the thrust grow for the 787-9 compared to the 8?
Baseline thrust for the 787-8 is 64,000 pounds and for the 787-9, it is 75,000 pounds. The top thrust I am aware of is 77,826 pounds for the Trent 1000-Z.
However, you can have higher-powered engines on the 787-8 if you need better field performance.
LOT was saying SP-LRC in Late-Jan, SP-LRD in Early-Feb and SP-LRE in Early Mar as recently as last month in terms of delivery timetable for the next three frames. i reckon SP-LRE will be delivered sooner than that, mid-Feb most likely.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5153 posts, RR: 49 Reply 166, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 25305 times:
A peak on the surge line:
- position 3/4: LN90 / ZA242 (Air India)
- position 2: LN94 / ZA318 (first for Thomson)
- position 1: LN97 / ZA513 (ANA)
starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1081 posts, RR: 2 Reply 167, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 25172 times:
Given that the remaining frames have (tens of) thousands of jobs each, how many of the 20 or so change incorporation aircraft will deliver in 2013?
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1768 posts, RR: 6 Reply 168, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 24918 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 166): Actually ZA318, LN 94 isn't the first 787 for Thomson it is ZA317, LN 92 which is currently in 40-26 which is Thomson's 1st 787
SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 169, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 24889 times:
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1768 posts, RR: 6 Reply 170, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 24832 times:
Quoting starrion (Reply 167): Given that the remaining frames have (tens of) thousands of jobs each, how many of the 20 or so change incorporation aircraft will deliver in 2013?
About 12 of those frames should be deliverable next year. Let's have a look on the list.
- There are 5 pre-LN66 frames ready (ready = finished work at the EMC):
LN34: China Southern
LN43: China Southern
LN45: United Airlines
LN54: Air India
LN65: Air India
- There are 8 frames at the EMC which are very likely to roll out in 2013:
LN17: new customer ?? (outside)
LN20: Japan Airlines (inside)
LN21: Japan Airlines (inside)
LN28: Air India (outside)
LN30: Air India (inside)
LN32: Air India (inside)
LN36: China Southern (outside)
LN39: Ethiopian Airlines (inside)
- There are 12 frames left in storage:
LN10 - LN16
LN18 - LN19
LN22, LN25, LN26
The 5 that are ready should be delivered next year, no question mark here. Of the 8 at the EMC, 7 should be deliverable in 2013. I have my doubts on LN17, she won't enter a hangar before LN36 and LN28 I guess plus it will need about 8 months of rework and another 2 months for painting and flight testing.
The EMC should be able to deliver another 8 frames in 2014, these frames probably will be LN26, LN25, LN22, LN19, LN18, LN17, LN16 and LN15. The remaining 5 frames (LN14, LN13, LN12, LN11 and LN10) should be ready in the first half of 2015.
So we are looking at about 12 pre-LN66 frames for next year. Maybe 1 or 2 more, I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing can complete LN26 and LN25 too. Time will tell.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 171, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 24802 times:
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 169): ZA 285 (L/N 45) for UA is scheduled for delivery and ferry flight from PAE to LAX today, Dec 27th per United/Cont. Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 14 (by LipeGIG Dec 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)
Post 65. This is UA a/c #6. Their fifth delivery is scheduled to ferry from LAX to IAH today.
Nice to see that UA accepted delivery of their 6th earlier than expected! What does UA do with the aircraft at LAX? N27903 (L/N 52 - UA#5) spent a week there!
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5932 posts, RR: 4 Reply 172, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 24643 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 171): Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 169):
ZA 285 (L/N 45) for UA is scheduled for delivery and ferry flight from PAE to LAX today, Dec 27th per United/Cont. Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 14 (by LipeGIG Dec 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)
Post 65. This is UA a/c #6. Their fifth delivery is scheduled to ferry from LAX to IAH today.
Nice to see that UA accepted delivery of their 6th earlier than expected! What does UA do with the aircraft at LAX? N27903 (L/N 52 - UA#5) spent a week there!
So if UA #5 wasn't flying for United at LAX, what was she doing there? Seems confusing that UA is getting new birds delivered to LAX, yet all the flying seems to be by pre-merger Continental crews (I do kow that these early delivery birds were part of the original Continental order...). Will there be a 787 crew base at LAX?
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 173, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 24533 times:
LAX is the "induction" airport for UA on the 787. CALTECH or someone at UA might be able to give details but it likely involves "customer specific" stuff like loading entertainment systems, carts, placards for the seats etc. For their fifth frame, it took a week.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 174, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 24453 times:
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 173): LAX is the "induction" airport for UA on the 787. CALTECH or someone at UA might be able to give details but it likely involves "customer specific" stuff like loading entertainment systems, carts, placards for the seats etc. For their fifth frame, it took a week.
That is what I thought... but they went to IAH for the first 4, correct? I am guessing they now need the hanger space at IAH for the 787s already in service...
ordramper98 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0 Reply 175, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 24342 times:
No, UA's first two (904, 906) went to IAH. The last three (902, 905, 903) and now 901 are going/ went to LAX for induction.
Capt747ret From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 18 posts, RR: 1 Reply 176, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 23987 times:
CalTech? I think that they are too busy with their curiosity about Mars. They have had an ongoing opportunity that I’m sure they don’t want to turn their attention from. And let’s not forget… other places that they have chosen to boldly go. If they are too busy for the 787 then I’ll be glad to give them a pass.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 177, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 24222 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112): UA would receive 5 787 aircraft in 2012 and they have already 4 of them. The 6th one (ZA285) is for next year.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 113): That's correct, UAL stated in their regulatory filings that they take 5 787s by the end of the year.
As I stated previously, if the airplane is ready to deliver Boeing wants the money, especially at the end of the year. They're getting the airplanes to the customer sooner than they expected now--the initial guidance was a little conservative.
SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 178, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 24191 times:
Quoting Capt747ret (Reply 176): CalTech? I think that they are too busy with their curiosity about Mars. They have had an ongoing opportunity that I’m sure they don’t want to turn their attention from. And let’s not forget… other places that they have chosen to boldly go. If they are too busy for the 787 then I’ll be glad to give them a pass.
You're likely kidding but I'll bite, CalTech is a member of A.Net who works for UA (I believe he is an sCO engineer).
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 180, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 23325 times:
Quoting sweair (Reply 179): LN45 was not expected, how many test flights did it have? I saw it had an experimental number just the other day.
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 182, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 23047 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 181): I think he is confused with the ANA frame (JA818A).
That makes sense as ANA ZA512 (83) flew an experimental flight on the 21st and can be seen with the taped over registration in Matt's photo on the 22nd.
aeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0 Reply 185, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 21419 times:
VT-ANL is delivered. VT-ANJ is next up, followed by VT-ANN. It is unclear whether ANJ will be delivered this year - I can't get a word out of AI as to what the delay is about, but I'd guess that there are some changes which Boeing is making before delivery.
Airports 2012: IXE HYD DEL BLR BOM CCU KNU KTM BKK SIN ICN LAX BUR SFO PHX IAH ORD EWR PHL PVD BOS FRA MUC IST
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 190, posted (4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19334 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 189): I guess NH won't be getting LN 83 before New Year's Day, to mark the halfway point in ANA's 787-800 order
I thought it might make it earlier in the month but then instead of a C-1 following the B-1 it had an "EWA" flight for some reason and hasn't flown since.
hkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 165 posts, RR: 1 Reply 195, posted (4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 19024 times:
There was no 787 specific guidance for 2012. Boeing's guidance was for between 70 and 85 deliveries of 787s and 747-8s combined. They've met that goal.
PW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 1983 posts, RR: 10 Reply 196, posted (4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 18743 times:
Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 195): There was no 787 specific guidance for 2012. Boeing's guidance was for between 70 and 85 deliveries of 787s and 747-8s combined. They've met that goal
So with 31 748's and 46 787's, total 2012 deliveries were 77. Right in the middle of their initial 2012 guidance. I think that is a solid performance, considering some customers were not "ready" to acceptsome of their deliveries, operational wise, cash wise etc.
To me this is the best indicator that most of the major production problems and bottlenecks have now been overcome, and production processes are now starting to stablelize nicely. That is very promisisng for 2013 and beyond!
Rgds,
PW100
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NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5153 posts, RR: 49 Reply 197, posted (4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18613 times:
Boeing's guidance for 2012 787 deliveries was half of the 70 to 85 deliveries. Therefore their guidance on deliveries for 2012 (787) was between 35 and 43. Boeing exceeded that by a comfortable margin.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 198, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18390 times:
As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
DELIVERED TO DATE: 49 Aircraft to 8 Airlines
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 765 posts, RR: 8 Reply 199, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17730 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 197): Therefore their guidance on deliveries for 2012 (787) was between 35 and 43.
I disagree. They could never have come close to 42 747-8s even if everything went right, so the realistic figure for 787s should be higher. By my reckoning it would have been 40-52, and they fell in the middle of that range as they fell in the middle of the range for combined 747-8 and 787 deliveries.
PW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 1983 posts, RR: 10 Reply 200, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17137 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 197): Boeing's guidance for 2012 787 deliveries was half of the 70 to 85 deliveries. Therefore their guidance on deliveries for 2012 (787) was between 35 and 43. Boeing exceeded that by a comfortable margin
Would you please be so kind to show me where Boeing stated that exactly half of those 70 - 85 would have been 787's?
Quote: Commercial Airplanes' 2012 deliveries are expected to be between 585 and 600 airplanes and is sold out. This includes an expected 70 to 85 787 and 747-8 deliveries, of which approximately half are 787 aircraft.
Like dynamicsguy mentioned, it seem far fetched that they would deliver well north of 40 747's, so the balance should always have been tiliting in favour of the 787, especially if they would hit the higher end of their spectrum (70 to 85).
I'd say with 46 787 deliveries, they were pretty much meeting the lower end to middle of the 787 forecasted delivery spectrum, but not near the higher end. I'm not sure why you're keeping beating that drum . . . ?
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 197): Boeing exceeded that by a comfortable margin
If I may do an educated guess, I suspect, in your applaudable and admirable enthousiasm, you may have underestimated this word: . . . approximately . . .
I'm looking forward to their 2013 forecast!
Rgds,
PW100
Edit: typo
[Edited 2013-01-02 09:12:50]
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26700 posts, RR: 83 Reply 201, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17036 times:
Well if China was on the ball we might have seen 51 787 deliveries, which would have been 73% of the low estimate and 60% of the high estimate. Evan at 46, they were at 54% of the high estimate, so they did better than even numbers.
Airbus squeaked by at the wire to attain their A380 delivery estimate (30 frames) and I don't see people breaking their balls over it. *shrug*
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 205, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16319 times:
Quoting fleabyte (Reply 204): Does anyone know why (6) ANA teen birds without engines have been re-located to the flight line?
I think you are looking at a picture on Matt Cawby's blog without noticing that the date on the picture is December 31, 2010.
Most gorgeous aircraft: Tu-204-300, 757-200, A330-200, 777-200LR, 787-8
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5932 posts, RR: 4 Reply 206, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16212 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 203): Air India took 3 frames last month, so LN54 / ZA238 / VT-ANJ has been delivered too.
When isVT-ANJ flying away?
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
seahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 207, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 16162 times:
Anyone know if B-2725 has been repainted to the new CZ 787 scheme yet?
It has not and as recently as last month there was no intention on doing so. CZ has said that 9/10 aircraft would sport the special (not new) lively which indicates that B-2725 will stay as is. Plans always change of course...
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 209, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15747 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 203): Air India took 3 frames last month, so LN54 / ZA238 / VT-ANJ has been delivered too.
All Things 787 shows it being delivered 1/2/2013. I wonder how accurate the article is...there is nothing in Randy's blog that specifically says AI took three last month.
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1768 posts, RR: 6 Reply 210, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15712 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 209): All Things 787 shows it being delivered 1/2/2013. I wonder how accurate the article is...there is nothing in Randy's blog that specifically says AI took three last month.
Yeah now I'm confused too.
Quote: The article says today but nothing on FlightAware as of yet...
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5153 posts, RR: 49 Reply 211, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15600 times:
China Southern is saying that they'll be receiving their first 787 in March
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 212, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15597 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 211): China Southern is saying that they'll be receiving their first 787 in March
B-2727 I assume. It's hard to imagine that their first frame would be one not in the special livery.
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KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1768 posts, RR: 6 Reply 213, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 15500 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 209): All Things 787 shows it being delivered 1/2/2013. I wonder how accurate the article is...there is nothing in Randy's blog that specifically says AI took three last month.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 214, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15152 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 213): LN54 was indeed delivered on 1/2/2013 and not last month
I believe this is the 50th 787 delivery , correct?
Also nice to see that l/n 44 to 71 are all delivered now. The production list is getting less spotty with Boeing working on both the lower and higer end.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 218, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14125 times:
First 787 of the new year scheduled to fly later today GUN ZA382 (43) out of storage.
petera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0 Reply 220, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13576 times:
You made it sound like it was a first flight! ZA382 has already had it's first flight!
7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 507 posts, RR: 3 Reply 221, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13495 times:
Quoting petera380 (Reply 220): You made it sound like it was a first flight! ZA382 has already had it's first flight!
Didn't say that anywhere. If it was a first flight I would have labeled it a B-1. Just the first production flight of a 787 out of PAE in the new year. Probably a redo of the whole B-1 profile prior to customer since it's hasn't flow in almost 3 months.
ual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 222, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13441 times:
Not sure but I think LN62 ZA462 38329 A7-BCK Qatar Airways is otw to DOH
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 230, posted (4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10051 times:
It seems like there is enough activity with the Chinese planes to take them off the "black list".
As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
DELIVERED TO DATE: 50 Aircraft to 8 Airlines
DELIVERIES PRIOR TO JANUARY
NH-17; JL-7; UA–6; AI-5; QR-5; ET-4; LA-3; LO-2
JANUARY DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ – 1/2/2013 - AI #6
NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 83 - JA818A - 1/xx/2013 - NH #18
L/N 72 - VT-ANM – 1/xx/2013 - AI #7
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – 1/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 43 - B-2727 – 3/xx/2013 - CZ #1
L/N 73 - B-2728 - TBD - HU #1
L/N 34 – B-2725 – TBD – CZ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-2730 - TBD - HU #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 76 - B-2729 - TBD - HU #3 Awaiting first flight
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 233, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8636 times:
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 231): http://paineairport.com/kpae5821.htm (experimental logo above the door)
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 231): FAA requirement so the people flying on the airplane know what they're getting into.
Maybe they should put that logo above all 787 doors so passengers know what they're getting into
sonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 234, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8613 times:
Quoting United787 (Reply 233): Maybe they should put that logo above all 787 doors so passengers know what they're getting into
ZING! I think the issues are in-hand and will be sorted before long. Unlike prior a/c introductions, Boeing has real-time data fed to them via Sat Link so they can quickly get the needed information disbursed out to their teams for analysis. Thanks to the digital age, every hiccup of this new a/c will be splashed across blogs, web pages and 24/7 news channels. What a P.R. headache.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2344 posts, RR: 1 Reply 235, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8562 times:
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 234): ZING! I think the issues are in-hand and will be sorted before long. Unlike prior a/c introductions, Boeing has real-time data fed to them via Sat Link so they can quickly get the needed information disbursed out to their teams for analysis. Thanks to the digital age, every hiccup of this new a/c will be splashed across blogs, web pages and 24/7 news channels. What a P.R. headache.
I know and I agree...but I couldn't resist the opportunity!
tistpaa727 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 306 posts, RR: 2 Reply 236, posted (4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8383 times:
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 234): ZING! I think the issues are in-hand and will be sorted before long. Unlike prior a/c introductions, Boeing has real-time data fed to them via Sat Link so they can quickly get the needed information disbursed out to their teams for analysis. Thanks to the digital age, every hiccup of this new a/c will be splashed across blogs, web pages and 24/7 news channels. What a P.R. headache.
The PR nightmare is just nuts. I just took to calling out the author of a recent Forbes article. Just ticks me off. I posted a comment in his article, on my G+ page and on his. http://goo.gl/uc5gV The media keeps talking about how this is unprecedented, horrible, etc. That no other plane introduction has experienced hiccups. Boils my blood and I finally popped and had to comment on this guys article.
Oh well, I for one can't wait to fly one of these graceful birds.
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4539 posts, RR: 28 Reply 238, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8132 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 237): It'll all be forgotten in a few months as the media's attention will be deflected by the latest scandal on "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo"
With the 787 I want to be able to say the same as you, that in a few months it will all blow over. But it's been FIVE YEARS of crap with the program and while I love the plane and think it's likely to have a fabulous long-term future, I'm done buying into the hope that dawn is breaking.
sonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 239, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8011 times:
I think we all need to keep in mind that in the history of commercial aviation, there've been plenty of a/c programs which have suffered delays, initial service issues and frustrated airline customers. It's safe to say that almost every program has suffered these kinds of issues.
What is different here are forums such as this one, Twitter, 24/7 news cycles and instant access to all sorts of rumor, speculation and information. It can distort things all out of proportion.
I won't worry unless they have a hull loss attributed to something like an electrical fire/arc/failure in flight. I just don't see that happening with the various safety systems and multiple redundancies. I'm willing to bet the battery issue on the JL flight was a one-off manufacturing/material defect or an improper installation/wiring.
Capt747ret From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 18 posts, RR: 1 Reply 240, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7928 times:
From AW&ST concerning other electrical issues that have been blown out of proportion:
We’d only seen it once in 100,000 hours on the system. Then we had the similar event on the United airplane and two days later a similar one on Qatar. We realized all three of those boards came from the same 16 boards in one manufacturing lot.”
sonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 241, posted (4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7873 times:
Thanks for that info Capt. That makes more sense to me that there was a manufacturing defect on a run of boards rather than a design flaw with the electrical system itself. If this is the case, it should be straight-forward to trace the other boards from that run and replace them rather than wait for a premature failure.
GSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 351 posts, RR: 0 Reply 243, posted (4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6750 times:
Hey guys, I have a question, and since it's relevant, I thought I would ask it here, instead of starting a new thread.
I am wondering which 787s are being built in CHS. It looks like, as of now, they are producing all of the AI and HU aircraft there, and the rest in PAE. Is this correct? Is there a way I can keep up with the ones that are being produced in CHS? Are the CHS aircraft given c/n's in a certain range, or maybe there is a list of some kind that's available? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also, one Saturday this summer, the first AI 787 was here in GSP doing some touch-and-go landings prior to delivery. Does Boeing plan on using GSP for this type of thing in the future?
Great blog, NYC777. Sorry if the answers to any of my questions are in there, but I just found this thread, and haven't read much.
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