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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 12  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 57339 times:
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This is a continuation thread of part 11 which can be accessed by following link: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 11

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 57428 times:

Boeing is sending up ZA289 on another test flight today. I wonder if this one can be delivered by the end of next week?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE289



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 57396 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):

When did it have its B1? Must have been flawless?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 57406 times:

Copied and pasted United787's last post about current 787 deliveries.

Please note again this is his work, not mine, i'm posting this for references purposes only. Please update the list if anything was missed.


DELIVERED TO DATE: 38 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO NOVEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; AI-3; ET-3; LA-2; UA–2; QR-1

NOVEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 64 - A7-BCL – 11/06/2012- QR #2
L/N 61 - SP-LRA - 11/09/2012 - LO #1
L/N 44 - ET-AOP - 11/19/2012 - ET #4
L/N 57 - A7-BCA – 11/20/2012 - QR #3
L/N 50 - N20902 - 11/20/2012 - UA #3

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - xx/xx/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/xx/2012 - UA #4
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/xx/2012 - QR #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #17 Awaiting first flight
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18 Awaiting first flight
L/N 45 - N26901 – 12/xx/2012 – UA #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/xx/2012 - QR #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – 1/xx/2013 - LO #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 52 - N26903 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight

In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 2 for CZ; & 2 for HU.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 57378 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 2):
When did it have its B1? Must have been flawless?

B-1 was done on 11/21/12.

ZA183 just copied clearance to Moses Lake for their B-1 flgiht test. Hopefully they'll be on the move and that'll be Boeing's 6 787 B-1 in one week.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE183

[Edited 2012-12-07 12:52:20]


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5314 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 57337 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4):
ZA183 just copied clearance to Moses Lake for their B-1 flgiht test. Hopefully they'll be on the move and that'll be Boeing's 6 787 B-1 in one week.

How's the weather in Everett? Looking out my office window in downtown Seattle, ceilings look *very* low...


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 57321 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 5):
How's the weather in Everett? Looking out my office window in downtown Seattle, ceilings look *very* low...

Looking at teh Everett web cam, it seems that there is some clearing tothe north of the airfield, ceilings are about 2200 ft so abovethe minimums needed for a B-1 flight.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 57233 times:

Five a month isn't too bad; what is the combined total of production from both sites, Seattle and Charleston? How long does Boeing expect it to take before both sites reach optimum/maximum production?

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 57202 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
Five a month isn't too bad; what is the combined total of production from both sites, Seattle and Charleston?

4 from Everett and 1 from Charleston.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
How long does Boeing expect it to take before both sites reach optimum/maximum production?

Still on track for 10 by the end of next year - I believe they're planning 7 a month from Everett (main + surge) and 3 a month from Charleston.


The above figures would not include what they can run through EMC as they work on the existing stock.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 57168 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
Five a month isn't too bad; what is the combined total of production from both sites, Seattle and Charleston? How long does Boeing expect it to take before both sites reach optimum/maximum production?

Currently Everett is at 4/month and Charleston is at 1/month.

It is to go up to 7/month by middle of next year but I don't know the split. I am willing to bet that by mid-lae summer Everett will be at 5/month and Charleston will be at 2/month.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 57106 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Copied and pasted United787's last post about current 787 deliveries.

Please note again this is his work, not mine, i'm posting this for references purposes only. Please update the list if anything was missed.



Thanks PHX787... I was hoping the LA (L/N 80) aircraft would be delivered by now... but here is the updated list...I have taken some liberties in guessing December deliveries. For example, the LO #2 (L/N 78) I show as January since someone had stated LOT isn't expecting it until then...this could be ready this month. I was surprised that for UA, L/N 52 flew before L/N 45, so I switched those and others around to reflect their apparent progress based on their first flights...

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 38 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO DECEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; ET-4; AI-3; UA–3; QR-3; LA-2; LO-1

NO DELIVERIES IN DECEMBER TO DATE But a plethora on the horizon!          

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 12/xx/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/xx/2012 - UA #4
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/xx/2012 - QR #4
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #17
L/N 52 - N26903 – 12/xx/2012 – UA #5
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/xx/2012 - QR #5
L/N 84 – JA829A – 12/xx/2012 – JL #7
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – 1/xx/2013 - LO #2
L/N 45 - N26901 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6 Awaiting first flight
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight

In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 2 for CZ; & 2 for HU.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 56924 times:

Looks like Boeing delivered LAN's 3 787 today as it's flying out tonight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN1329

Boeing just confirmed to me that they delivered LAN's 3rd 787 today.

[Edited 2012-12-07 15:46:36]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 56892 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):

Looks like Boeing delivered LAN's 3 787 today as it's flying out tonight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN1329

Fantastic! Looking forward to flying on CC-BBC soon!  


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 56725 times:

I put up a second blog post regarding projected 787 delivery dates in December.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 56672 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):
Boeing just confirmed to me that they delivered LAN's 3rd 787 today.

This one was sure a delayliner. Any word on what held up CC-BBC? If things had gone smoothly, it probably would have been out the door Nov. 30...



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User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 56503 times:

Looks like Boeing needs to deliver another Qatar 787 as LN57 ZA460 38319 A7-BCA Qatar Airways is on the way to Doha. Couldn't post the flightaware link as something is messed up on their site tonight..


QTR3787 B788 So California Logistics (KVCV) Doha Int'l (OTBD / DOH) Fri 06:31PM PST Sat 08:03PM AST 14:38

UAL747-600

[Edited 2012-12-07 20:44:03]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 56472 times:
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Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 15):
Looks like Boeing needs to deliver another Qatat 787 as LN57 ZA460 38319 A7-BCA Qatar Airways is on the way to Doha. Couldn't post the flightaware link as something is messed up on their site tonight..


QTR3787 B788 So California Logistics (KVCV) Doha Int'l (OTBD / DOH) Fri 06:31PM PST Sat 08:03PM AST 14:38

Here is the link:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR3787


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 55620 times:

ZA462 will be the next one to deliver to Qatar Airways.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 54636 times:

ZA460 spent about 2 weeks in VCV for the IFE work so if anymore '87s head there that's the max time that they would spend there.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 54523 times:

Looks like LOT ZA271 (78) is scheduled for a C-1 later today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE271/history


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 52966 times:

Got infor that ZA271 (LN 78, SP-LRB) will have it's delivery around Jan. 4th) Won't be delivered this month.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 52833 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 20):
Got infor that ZA271 (LN 78, SP-LRB) will have it's delivery around Jan. 4th) Won't be delivered this month.

If that's the delivery flight you're talking about the money could very well change hands this year.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 52374 times:

Contractual delivery (money changing hands) of ZA271 not until January 2013.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 51918 times:

Looks like UAL ZA285 (45) has a B-1 scheduled for today. Things go well and we may be able to add it to the year end total.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE285


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 51739 times:

Ironic, Boeing can deliver more 787s than customers will take:

AI - Want them but can't afford them
CZ and HU - Want them but China won't let them have them yet
QR - Will only take one at time for IFE installation
LO - Looks like one will be ready soon but they are expecting it in January and may not want it early
UA - Was only expecting 5 this year and may not want the 6th early

If the projection was 35-42 787s this year (source: NYC777), it seems like there may have been a chance they could have hit 53!


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 52152 times:

UAL has said in SEC filings that they are expecting to take delivery of 5 787s by the end of the year. They have 3 so far and I expect two more delivered by the end of the month and one more in January.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 51750 times:

Weather looks terrible at Everett, doubt that ZA285 will fly today.


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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 52209 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 24):

Now that it's getting time for customers to lay out the big cash, they might not want to rush into things. It's refreshing to see that fewer holdups are caused by Boeing...but it could all come to a crashing halt if the SPEEA strike happens.


http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...ogy/2019857739_speeaboeingxml.html

Quote:
Boeing’s engineering union has begun making detailed preparations for a strike that could come as soon as February, the executive director of the union said Friday.

“I think there is a very high chance of a strike,” said Ray Goforth, executive director of the Society of Engineering Employees in Aerospace (SPEEA).


[Edited 2012-12-10 14:03:52]


What the...?
User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 51436 times:

LOT ZA271 (78) out on a C-2.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE271


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 51064 times:

UAL ZA287 (52) and JAL ZA183 (84) away on their C-1's (?).

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE287

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE183


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 50963 times:

We'll make that a B-2 on JAL.

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 50905 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 28):
LOT ZA271 (78) out on a C-2.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE271

If, as Suresh says, it definitely won't be delivered until after Jan. 1st, why would the customer be flying it around this early?



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5314 posts, RR: 4
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 50811 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 31):
If, as Suresh says, it definitely won't be delivered until after Jan. 1st, why would the customer be flying it around this early?

Most likely the LOT crew wants to spend the holidays in Warsaw rather than Everett.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 50747 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 31):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 28):LOT ZA271 (78) out on a C-2.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE271
If, as Suresh says, it definitely won't be delivered until after Jan. 1st, why would the customer be flying it around this early?

Can't say for sure, but this way everything can be completed except the money changing hands and all of the LOT personnel can go home for the holidays and not be here flying between Xmas and New Years. This way they just show up on January 3rd, pay the $$$$, get the keys and take to the sky.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 50517 times:

I was listening to the ATC for BOE271 this morning as it left on the test flight. It wasn't a LOT crew at the controls. It was a Boeing crew.

[Edited 2012-12-11 13:51:08]


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 50441 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 34):
I was listening to the ATC for BOE271 this morning as it left on the test flight. It wasn't a LOT crew at the controls. It was a Boeing crew.

During a customer flight the Boeing captain sitting in the right seat makes all of the radio calls so I don't understand how you determined it was not a customer flight -- please explain. Also, some customer flights are manned by an all Boeing crew.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 49504 times:

http://youtu.be/euGoiijBtV8
Anyone see this previously? JA656J
Doraemon Jet....was this one delivered in this livery or not?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 49423 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 36):
Anyone see this previously? JA656J
Doraemon Jet....was this one delivered in this livery or not?

That's a 767-300ER, not a 787-8.  angel 

And no, she was not delivered in that livery.  Smile

[Edited 2012-12-12 16:17:01]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 49104 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 37):
That's a 767-300ER, not a 787-8. angel

Oh wow my mistake.....loooooong morning with no sleep  

Ok back on topic- any more special liveries planned for 787s or are we pretty much done with those for the time being?



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 48597 times:

Came across this tweet this morning by Max K-J of Flightglobal:
"Qatar" very disappointed" with Boeing as 3rd #B787 diverted on del flight due to tech and is grounded"

Anyone know where it diverted to or what the issue was?


User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 48499 times:
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Quoting flood (Reply 39):
Anyone know where it diverted to or what the issue was?

Reportedly the same issue that caused the UA diversion a coupleof weeks ago.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 48452 times:

Quoting petera380 (Reply 40):
Reportedly the same issue that caused the UA diversion a coupleof weeks ago.

Thanks, I see there's already separate thread on the issue.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 48335 times:

UAL ZA285 (45) scheduled for its B-1 again today if the wx doesn't keep them on the ground again.


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE285



ANA ZA510 (59) and JAL ZA183 (84) scheduled for C-1's.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE510

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE183


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5314 posts, RR: 4
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 48319 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 42):
UAL ZA285 (45) scheduled for its B-1 again today if the wx doesn't keep them on the ground again.

That frame is snakebit. By my count this is the fourth attempt at a B-1, and it doesn't look any more promising today than it has the last three times they tried.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 48201 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 43):

That frame is snakebit. By my count this is the fourth attempt at a B-1, and it doesn't look any more promising today than it has the last three times they tried.

Wx is good to go right now, they need to get airborne.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2195 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 48111 times:

ZA235 is now in the air, take off around 1635Z, Tweeted by Matt Cawby.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 47867 times:

Looks like the third C-1 of the day is airborne QTR ZA464 (82). That's 4 787's, 2 777's and 1 747 so far today--Xmas rush--busy, busy,busy!!!!


http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE464


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 47782 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 45):
ZA235 is now in the air, take off around 1635Z, Tweeted by Matt Cawby.

I assume that you mean ZA285?

Aside from the AI, HU and CZ aircraft, this may be one of the last change and incorporation planes for a while. This and four other aircraft should be delivered in the next few weeks leaving only new builds ready to deliver.


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Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 47704 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 47):

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 45):
ZA235 is now in the air, take off around 1635Z, Tweeted by Matt Cawby.

I assume that you mean ZA285?

Yes I did, sorry for the typo!



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 47656 times:

Two more deliveries for Qatar are expected on December 19th (ZA462 and ZA464).

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...with-same-fault-as-united-jet.html



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 47632 times:

Hercule Poirot   It´s scary how similar he looks, minus the mustache..

If they will take 2 more it cant be that much of a problem?


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 46849 times:

UAL ZA287 (52) up and down on its C-2 earlier and QTR ZA462 (82) out on its C-1.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE287

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE462


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 46923 times:

UAL ZA289 (55) ? delivery flight later today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL6857.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 46691 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 52):
UAL ZA289 (55) ? delivery flight later today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...6857.

Wow, they're even delivering it to a non-pre merger Contintental hub  



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 46454 times:

Some good news for a change: AI's 4th delivery is slated for the end of the month.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 46380 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 54):
Some good news for a change: AI's 4th delivery is slated for the end of the month.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 49):
Two more deliveries for Qatar are expected on December 19th (ZA462 and ZA464).

Looks like two of the three Airlines That Shall Not Be Named are getting their delivery act together  
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 53):
Wow, they're even delivering it to a non-pre merger Contintental hub

Wonder if it's going into immediate service to IAH, DEN, or ORD....guessing game!



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 45910 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 54):
Some good news for a change: AI's 4th delivery is slated for the end of the month.

Just one? there are 4 ready on the CHS flightline, another 2 that is in production and 5 that are undergoing change incorporation or will under go change incorporation over the next few months. I hope Boeing is charging AI a storage fee at least and I say that in all seriousness.



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User currently offlineordramper98 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 45811 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 53):

This is the second 787 delivered to LAX, after the first two went to Houston.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 45662 times:

Getting word that LOT's second 787 should be delivered around middle of next week with delivery towards the end of the week. That was fast but they did conduct 4 test flights in a short amount of time. This is all provisional due to the current turmoil at LOT.


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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1711 posts, RR: 8
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 45478 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 58):
Getting word that LOT's second 787 should be delivered around middle of next week with delivery towards the end of the week.

I guess the word "flight" is missing from the second half of that sentence  


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 45374 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 40 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO DECEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; ET-4; AI-3; UA–3; QR-3; LA-2; LO-1

DECEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 12/7/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/14/2012 - UA #4

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/19/2012 - QR #4
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/19/2012 - QR #5
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #17
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18
L/N 52 - N26903 – 12/xx/2012 – UA #5
L/N 84 – JA829A – 12/xx/2012 – JL #7
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – xx/xx/2013 - LO #2
L/N 45 - N26901 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight

In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 3 for HU; & 2 for CZ.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 61, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 45329 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 60):
In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 4 for AI; 3 for HU; & 2 for CZ.

Ok I have a throbbing question which probably has been answered but I didn't catch up on-

Are these the a/c sitting on the PAE runway, along with those NH/JL planes? What's wrong with those aircraft? Will those be delivered?



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 45307 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 61):
Are these the a/c sitting on the PAE runway, along with those NH/JL planes? What's wrong with those aircraft? Will those be delivered?

I am not sure if this answers your questions but:

The 4 AI birds are at CHC
2 of the HU birds are at PAE (South Ramp)
1 of the HU birds is at CHC
The 2 CZ birds are at PAE but not on the runway (Flightline and South Ramp)

The planes on the runway are L/N 10-12, 14-15, 18-19, 26 & 28 were originally for LA, NH, AT and AI and are awaiting change incorporation. They will be delivered but may be to different airlines and won't be for a while.

Source: http://nyc787.blogspot.com/


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 63, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 45237 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 62):
The planes on the runway are L/N 10-12, 14-15, 18-19, 26 & 28 were originally for LA, NH, AT and AI and are awaiting change incorporation. They will be delivered but may be to different airlines and won't be for a while.

Another stupid question- what does Change Incorporation entail?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 64, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 45153 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 63):
what does Change Incorporation entail?

Those airframes were completed before Boeing received the Type Certificate for the 787, so any differences on those planes needs to be addressed to bring them in compliance with the Type Certificate. They will also replace any parts or systems affected by the long-term storage.

For example, Airplane 23 - ZA177 for Japan Airlines - spent eight months at San Antonio undergoing change incorporation. Per a blog post by Jon Ostrower, this included:

"...wholesale replacement of its environmental control system air-conditioning packs and modification of ducting and baffling in the aircraft's cabin, as well as motor and fan changes and related software.

Further, modifications were made to the aircraft's flight control system hardware and software, changing out the outboard ailerons, outboard and inboard flaps and flaperons, as well as making changes to the elevator and rudder systems.

The aircraft now features a new wiring configuration, along with the fully certified version of the updated electrical power distribution system that was changed after the November 2010 fire aboard test aircraft ZA002."


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 65, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 45148 times:

Both ANA ZA510 (59) and QTR ZA462 (62) are out on C-2's today--should be easily ready before Xmas. Only ANA ZA512 (83) and UAL ZA285 (45) left to start customer flights.

User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 922 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 44764 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 62):
I am not sure if this answers your questions but:

The 4 AI birds are at CHC
2 of the HU birds are at PAE (South Ramp)
1 of the HU birds is at CHC
The 2 CZ birds are at PAE but not on the runway (Flightline and South Ramp)

I'm on my way to New Zealand now. I'll check out those 787's, unless they are actually at CHS.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1870 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 44488 times:

I've got information that apparently the delivery flight crew is leaving for Seattle this Tuesday and that SP-LRB is expected to arrive at Warsaw on 20th of December. Which would indicate delivery is indeed being expedited from early January, which is great.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 68, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 43931 times:

Looks like QTR ZA464 (82) will fly a C-2 later today.

User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 572 posts, RR: 3
Reply 69, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 43393 times:

With 2012 coming to an end, i thought i would open the debate on volume/customers for 2013.
Based on 5/month now, increasing to 7/month mid year and then 10/month at year + factoring in 789 test planes being built and a few deliveries from the EMC, we should be looking at 75-85 deliveries in 2013, up from ~45 in 2012.

The customer list looks like this based on data released by the various airlines:

All Nippon Airways - 11 (LN 97/101/107/110 + 7 others awaiting assembly)
Air India - 9 (LN 60/65 ready for delivery, LN 72 ready to fly, LN90/91 assembly, LN 30/32 EMC, LN 25/28 storage)
China Southern - 7 (LN 43 flight tests, LN 34 storage, LN 36 EMC, LN 93/95 assembly, LN 100/104 awaiting assembly)
LOT Polish - 6 (LN 86/87/88 ready to fly + 3 others awaiting assembly)
United Airlines - 5 (awaiting assembly)
Japan Airlines - 5 (LN 89 assembly, LN 98/105 + LN 20/21 EMC)
Qatar Airways - 5 (LN 99/103/109 + 2 others awaiting assembly)
TUI - 5 (LN 92/94/96 assembly, LN 106 + 1 other awaiting assembly) -> 4x Thomson + 1x Jetairfly
Hainan Airlines - 5 (LN 81/85 assembly, LN 73/76/79 storage)
ILFC - 4 (LN 102/112/115 + 1 other awaiting assembly) -> 2x Norwegian + 2x Aeromexico
British Airways - 4 (LN 108/111/114 + 1 other awaiting assembly)
Qantas - 3 (awaiting assembly) -> 3x Jetstar
LAN Airlines - 2 (LN 113 + 1 other awaiting assembly)
Ethiopian Airlines - 1 (LN 39 EMC)
Aeromexico - 1 (awaiting assembly) -> 3 total incl. 2 ILFC
Norwegian - 1 (awaiting assembly) -> 3 total incl. 2 ILFC

I know the numbers don't add up to 75-85 as some airline data is old and more importantly airlines are in continuous discussions with airbus re: delivery schedules. To get from the 74 identified to 75-85, we may see additional frames delivered to JAL, Hainan, China Southern, ILFC, and Air India. The other airline figures are pretty safe.

Cheers
A


User currently onlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 70, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 42153 times:

In other news, according to All Things, one of the air india frames was pulled into the EMC...

Hopefully AI will have it's finances figured out before it is done with change incorporation...



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User currently offlineCapt747ret From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 33 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 41849 times:

We have seen 4 of the AI frames flown in the past week or so. AI has 3 frames that are ready for delivery and now B is flying LN72 while moving another into EMC. So the Big question is: What's up?

My guess is that B has worked a deal to take AI’s 777-200’s in on trade for the 787’s. B and the USA need to move the AI backlog. With the Em Ex Bank working with all parties I can see this.

With all the AI frames being flown and more in the production line, something needs to give. This must be a huge embarrassment and hit on revenue for GOI, AI and B.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 41788 times:

When is VT-ANN expected to be ready for delivery? It looks like that frame might be the next AI delivery.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 73, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 41794 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Thread starter):

First, a happy 9 year joining day anniversary is an order for SA7700 

Second:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 72):
When is VT-ANN expected to be ready for delivery? It looks like that frame might be the next AI delivery.

Is this one of the ones still at CHS?



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 41738 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 73):
Is this one of the ones still at CHS?

I have no idea.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 75, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 41734 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 72):
VT-ANN

Don't expect it to be delviered until early February at the earliest.

I have updated my 787 tables to reflect the firing order for LN 116 to LN 130 as well as some interesting analysis on the first 787-9 (LN126, ZB001). I have also put up a new blog post to go along with the updated tables.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 76, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 41441 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 70):
other news, according to All Things, one of the air india frames was pulled into the EMC...

Maybe we should start a countdown to PAE getting runway 11/29 back thread   



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 77, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 41351 times:

Quoting Capt747ret (Reply 71):
We have seen 4 of the AI frames flown in the past week or so. AI has 3 frames that are ready for delivery and now B is flying LN72 while moving another into EMC. So the Big question is: What's up?

My guess is that B has worked a deal to take AI’s 777-200’s in on trade for the 787’s. B and the USA need to move the AI backlog. With the Em Ex Bank working with all parties I can see this.

With all the AI frames being flown and more in the production line, something needs to give. This must be a huge embarrassment and hit on revenue for GOI, AI and B.

An Air India spokesman said earlier that the company would receive a total of 7 787 aircraft in the fiscal year of 2012 (which ends on 31 March 2013); 5 of them were due for delivery in the year 2012. If that is still the case then we should see 2 more deliveries this year and 2 more by the end of March 2013.

Also, Air India should receive 7 more 787 aircraft in the fiscal year of 2013 (which ends in 2014). Rework on the early frames takes at least 6 months, that's why there are already 3 frames at the EMC.

So with that knowledge we can start sorting out the deliveries. A possibility is:

FY 2012 (1 April 2012 to 31 March 2013):
- LN54 / ZA238 / VT-ANJ (2012)
- LN60 / ZA239 / VT-ANK (2012)
- LN65 / ZA240 / VT-ANL (2013)
- LN72 / ZA241 / VT-ANM (2013)

FY 2013 (1 April 2013 to 31 March 2014):
- LN90 / ZA242 / VT-ANN (2013)
- LN91 / ZA243 / VT-ANO (2013)
- LN28 / ZA232 / VT-ANC (2013)
- LN30 / ZA234 / VT-ANE (2013)
- LN32 / ZA235 / VT-ANG (2013)
- LN25 ?? (2014 ??)
- LN26 ?? (2014 ??)

[Edited 2012-12-19 04:01:49]


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 41060 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 77):

I hate to be such a Debbie Downer... I know AI wants the planes but have they secured financing?


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1870 posts, RR: 4
Reply 79, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 40869 times:

SP-LRB is scheduled to depart for Warsaw tomorrow (20.12.2012) at 18:00 local time.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 80, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 40831 times:

Let's hope the runaways are cleared by then.


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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 40759 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
I have updated my 787 tables to reflect the firing order for LN 116 to LN 130 as well as some interesting analysis on the first 787-9 (LN126, ZB001). I have also put up a new blog post to go along with the updated tables.

The spreadsheet makes no reference to LN 126 going to Air New Zealand. Will the first 789 for Air New Zealand be one of the other test aircraft?

PA515


User currently onlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 40630 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 79):
SP-LRB is scheduled to depart for Warsaw tomorrow (20.12.2012) at 18:00 local time.

Does that mean that contractual delivery has already taken place?



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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 572 posts, RR: 3
Reply 83, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 40509 times:

The first 789 delivery to ANZ will be LN004. ZB 001--003 will be 3 test flight aircraft that MAY eventually be reassigned to customers should they still be seem fit post test flights. the first 789 delivery remains LN004 to ANZ.
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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 84, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 40473 times:
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Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83):
ZB 001--003 will be 3 test flight aircraft that MAY eventually be reassigned to customers should they still be seem fit post test flights.

I'm sure they have homes lined up for them.

Unlike the first three 787-8 test frames, these should be at spec (or better) and should have little to no change incorporation or re-work necessary.


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 85, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 40363 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83):
ZB 001--003 will be 3 test flight aircraft that MAY eventually be reassigned to customers

They're already assigned to customers. As were ZA001-ZA006...they only ended up stuck with Boeing *after* the whole initial production mess. ZA002 was in ANA livery (and ZA003 originally came with a Northwest rudder) because that's where those aircraft were supposed to end up.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83):
should they still be seem fit post test flights. the first 789 delivery remains LN004 to ANZ.

First delivery is never a flight test frame...refurb takes to long. That's the not the same thing as flight test aircraft not being assigned to customers. They normally are, they just deliver after a long delay.

Tom.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 86, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 40309 times:

Removing all the test equipment takes a while, the 4th 787-9 should be the first one to get delivered.


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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 87, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 40253 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 85):
ZA002 was in ANA livery

Hi Tom, I may be a little fuzzy on this, my memory ain't what it used to be when I had a lot less gray hair, but didn't ANA agree to that livery only as "advertising?" IIRC they were not actually going to take that specific plane.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 88, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 40201 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 87):
Hi Tom, I may be a little fuzzy on this, my memory ain't what it used to be when I had a lot less gray hair, but didn't ANA agree to that livery only as "advertising?" IIRC they were not actually going to take that specific plane.

See http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...exclusive-ana-to-take-most-of.html

"Boeing also confirms that the first six test flight aircraft, once destined for customers ANA, Delta Air Lines and Royal Air Maroc are no longer assigned to specific airlines.

Adding that the company is confident it will be able to place the six refurbished flight test aircraft with customers.
"

But those plans have also changed http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...s-second-787-test-aircraft-367915/

"Boeing determined in August 2009 the first three 787s had no commercial value, and their costs would be recorded as research and development expense."

[Edited 2012-12-19 12:29:06]


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Reply 89, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 40167 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 69):
With 2012 coming to an end, i thought i would open the debate on volume/customers for 2013. [...] + factoring in 789 test planes being built

Waow, I wasn't aware that we will see the first 789 next year. What's the time schedule for the first prototype?


User currently offlinetdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 90, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 40116 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 87):
Hi Tom, I may be a little fuzzy on this, my memory ain't what it used to be when I had a lot less gray hair, but didn't ANA agree to that livery only as "advertising?"

As I understand it, that was the agreement reached after Boeing decided not to sell the aircraft. It was originally (many years ago) actually supposed to go to ANA. After Boeing decided (ANA decreed?) that ZA002 would not go to ANA they got permission to keep it in ANA livery for the duration of the test program.

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 89):
Waow, I wasn't aware that we will see the first 789 next year. What's the time schedule for the first prototype?

It's supposed to enter production in the spring and go into flight test in the fall:
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...-9-ahead-of-schedule.html?page=all

Technically, ZB001 is a not a prototype. The only 787 that label would correctly apply to (and even that is debatable since it was retroactive) is ZA001.

Tom.


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2800 posts, RR: 59
Reply 91, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 39950 times:

Boeing have now released a 787 ACAP 10-2012 which lists the OEWs and also gives a payload-range chart. In the end it show that the 12-2011 ACAP was correct for those that could count, MZFW-MSP give you OEW (for ACAPs  ). It was then 118t for a 224seat config, today it is 117.7t for a 242 seat config. For those that did not care to count back then there was a dream (pun intended  Wow! ) OEW of 111.5t  .

All the final data and the Payload-range chart here:

www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/310338/#46

Boeing shall be commended for finally stating the OEW, Airbus has stopped doing that since about a year. For those that now say that the A330-200 is then lighter at 116.7t for the GE variant I would say this was long time ago when the MTOW was lower, I think we are very close to 120t for a spec OEW for a 332 today. Anyway this is not the thread for a B vs A weight discussion, lets then start a new thread for that. Just wanted to announce that the real data is now available on the Boeing ACAP site:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/787.html

[Edited 2012-12-19 13:56:10]


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User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 39899 times:

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 90):
Quoting N14AZ (Reply 89):Waow, I wasn't aware that we will see the first 789 next year. What's the time schedule for the first prototype?
It's supposed to enter production in the spring and go into flight test in the fall

This should be interesting. Does this mean the 789 and 359 will be doing their test flights at the same time? Should be some interesting A vs. B threads this time next year.


User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 93, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 39477 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 83):
The first 789 delivery to ANZ will be LN004

Others have already chimed in about other aspects, but also note that the line numbers are shared between the 787 models, rather than starting from 1 and having a separate count for 787-8s and 787-9s. The first (and second and so on) 787-9 will have a line number which slots in among the production 787-8s.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1870 posts, RR: 4
Reply 94, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 39385 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 82):
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 79):
SP-LRB is scheduled to depart for Warsaw tomorrow (20.12.2012) at 18:00 local time.

Does that mean that contractual delivery has already taken place?

As far as I understand, it's possible, though I do not have that information.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 95, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 39178 times:

The Hainan 787 (B-2728) is back on the flightline.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8290071724/in/photostream



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 38709 times:

The next AI delivery is in front of CHS delivery center. The aircraft is expected to enter service on 3JAN


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 97, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 38689 times:

Boeing delivered 787s to Qatar and Air India today.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 98, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 38266 times:

Boeing has confirmed to me that they have delivered 787s to Qatar and LOT but hasn't confirmed Air India. There is flight plan filed for AI 170 from CHS to FRA leaving at 3pm.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC170



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User currently onlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 99, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 38239 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 98):
Boeing has confirmed to me that they have delivered 787s to Qatar and LOT but hasn't confirmed Air India. There is flight plan filed for AI 170 from CHS to FRA leaving at 3pm.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC170

Did Qatar take one or both? Four deliveries in two days would be a nice xmas present.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 100, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38059 times:

They took one. Three deliveries today including Air India.


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 101, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38058 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 100):
Three deliveries today including Air India.

So that puts us at 40 (to date) for 2012?


User currently offlinetarheelwings From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38153 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 100):
They took one. Three deliveries today including Air India.

Can you confirm which line #s were taken?

Thanks.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 103, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38149 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 101):
So that puts us at 40 (to date) for 2012?

Correct.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 104, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38165 times:

Delivery flights:

Qatar PAE-VCV
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR999

Air India CHS-FRA
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC170

[Edited 2012-12-20 12:29:14]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 105, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38121 times:

The delivered Air India bird seems to be LN60 / ZA239 / VT-ANK.

http://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/281857790115467264



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 106, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38133 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 101):
So that puts us at 40 (to date) for 2012?

Incredible! Of course many of these airframes were completed and ready to be delivered prior to 2012, right?



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 107, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38111 times:

The Air India is ZA239. LOT is ZA271. I'm still trying to figure out which was delivered to Qatar but I suspect that it's ZA462.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 108, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38065 times:

Boeing just confirmed to me that they delivered a 787 each to ANA and Japan Airlines today.


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2195 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38065 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 103):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 101):
So that puts us at 40 (to date) for 2012?

Correct.

Great! Nice to see the 787 deliveries coming along nicely.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 110, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 38022 times:

Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today, 7 in December and 42 in 2012 thus far. I don't think they're done for the month.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 111, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 37942 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 110):
Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today, 7 in December and 42 in 2012 thus far. I don't think they're done for the month.

2 UAL, 1 ANA, 1 QTR to go unless something unexpected pops up to add to the total.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 112, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 37915 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 111):
2 UAL, 1 ANA, 1 QTR to go unless something unexpected pops up to add to the total.

UA would receive 5 787 aircraft in 2012 and they have already 4 of them. The 6th one (ZA285) is for next year.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 113, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 37844 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):

That's correct, UAL stated in their regulatory filings that they take 5 787s by the end of the year.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 37763 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 109):
Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today, 7 in December and 42 in 2012 thus far. I don't think they're done for the month.

My head is spinning! Merry Christmas Boeing!

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 111):
2 UAL, 1 ANA, 1 QTR to go unless something unexpected pops up to add to the total.

I know it was reported here that QR would be taking two at this time. Given that they only delivered one today and their is a clear pattern of them taking only one at time so they can send them down to VCV for IFE work etc., I am guessing that L/N 82 won't be delivered until mid January, IMHO.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 37741 times:

VT-ANK was delivered today. VT-ANL will be taken early next month.


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 116, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 37573 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
UA would receive 5 787 aircraft in 2012 and they have already 4 of them. The 6th one (ZA285) is for next year
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 113):
That's correct, UAL stated in their regulatory filings that they take 5 787s by the end of the year.
Quoting United787 (Reply 114):
I know it was reported here that QR would be taking two at this time. Given that they only delivered one today and their is a clear pattern of them taking only one at time so they can send them down to VCV for IFE work etc., I am guessing that L/N 82 won't be delivered until mid January, IMHO.

Both the airplanes have completed their customer flights (+/-) and I'm not so sure "regulatory filings" or when VCV will be available for mod work will trump Boeing's desire to get the cash this year. There's plenty of parking space at VCV. We'll see.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 117, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 37549 times:

Ok so make that 6 as Boeing delivered a 787 to United


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User currently onlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 118, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 37472 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 117):
Ok so make that 6 as Boeing delivered a 787 to United

Now they're just showing off. The Boeing lawyers are going to have a critical case of writer's cramp.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 119, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 37368 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 117):
Ok so make that 6 as Boeing delivered a 787 to United


Does anyone know how many UA will take next year? I think they will have 5 left in the pmCO order for 11 788, I'd imagine they may take all of those (plus 901) next year and start taking -9's in 2014?

[Edited 2012-12-20 15:33:40]

[Edited 2012-12-20 15:34:01]

User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 120, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 37260 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 115):
VT-ANK was delivered today. VT-ANL will be taken early next month.

Why was poor VT-ANJ (who was ready earlier than ANK) passed up?  



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 37219 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 120):
Why was poor VT-ANJ (who was ready earlier than ANK) passed up?

I'm not sure...

I'd speculate that since the early build CHS frames have been having so many issues, AI wanted to take a later frame which has more fixes in place.



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 122, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 37154 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 110):
Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today

@BoeingAirplanes tweeted:

Quote:
The 787 makes history today with 6 deliveries in less than 14 hours. Congrats to our teams in Everett & SC! #Boeing #AvGeek


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 581 posts, RR: 3
Reply 123, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 37081 times:

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 122):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 110):
Boeing will have delivered 5 787s today

@BoeingAirplanes tweeted:

Quote:
The 787 makes history today with 6 deliveries in less than 14 hours. Congrats to our teams in Everett & SC! #Boeing #AvGeek

A Boeing Merry Christmas to all!      



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User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 37077 times:

Wow. Thats unbelievable. to deliver 6 planes in 14hrs is great news!

Lets hope the ramp up next year is smooth and we start seeing more of these great aircraft across the worlds airports!


User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 37078 times:

Very impressive days work by the delivery team. The bank balance will have got a very nice boost.

43 for the year (so far) is a good result after what was a slow start to the year. Is the delivery outlook for 2013 still expected to be in the order of 70-80 frames?


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 126, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 37009 times:

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 125):
Is the delivery outlook for 2013 still expected to be in the order of 70-80 frames?

Deliveries, (or at least production), could take a hit if Boeing and SPEEA can't agree on a contract.



What the...?
User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 37170 times:

What was this years plan?

User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 128, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 37169 times:

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 127):
What was this years plan?

The guidance was between 70 and 85 deliveries of 787s and 747-8s combined, with approximately half of each. A lot of people have interpreted this as 35-42 787s, but a look at the numbers shows that even if every 747-8 produced up to the the end of the year was delivered then that wouldn't have made 42 747-8s. Therefore I believe the range for 787s was really closer to 40-52.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 129, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 37160 times:

Wow 6 deliveries in 24 hours.....I remember when Boeing was struggling to get 6 of them delivered within a period of 2 months   


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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 130, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 37061 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 129):

Isn't it refreshing that 787 deliveries are getting delivered with what is becoming almost boring regularity?



What the...?
User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1711 posts, RR: 8
Reply 131, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 36806 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 130):
Isn't it refreshing that 787 deliveries are getting delivered with what is becoming almost boring regularity?

You call 6 deliveries in 14 hours "boring regularity?   


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 36844 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 46 Aircraft to 8 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO DECEMBER
NH-16; JL-6; ET-4; AI-3; UA–3; QR-3; LA-2; LO-1

DECEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 80 - CC-BBC - 12/7/2012 - LA #3
L/N 55 - N26905 – 12/14/2012 - UA #4
L/N 78 - SP-LRB – 12/20/2012 - LO #2
L/N 62 - A7-BCK - 12/20/2012 - QR #4
L/N 59 - JA817A - 12/20/2012 - NH #17
L/N 84 – JA829J – 12/20/2012 – JL #7
L/N 60 - VT-ANK – 12/20/2012 - AI #4
L/N 52 - N26903 – 12/20/2012 – UA #5

NEXT IN LINE FOR DELIVERY Tentative - Subject to Change
L/N 82 - A7-BCC – 12/xx/2012 - QR #5
L/N 83 - JA818A - 12/xx/2012 - NH #18
L/N 45 - N26901 – 1/xx/2013 – UA #6
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 89 – JA830J – 1/xx/2013 – JL #8 Awaiting first flight

In addition, there are three airlines that aren’t accepting deliveries of completed aircraft due to financing or political/certification issues: 3 for AI; 3 for HU; & 2 for CZ.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 133, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 36736 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 131):

You call 6 deliveries in 14 hours "boring regularity?

Hopefully, soon it will be.



What the...?
User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5314 posts, RR: 4
Reply 134, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 36126 times:

Sigh. Aviation Week is reporting that CAAC will likely not issue a 787 type certificate until March.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/avd_12_18_2012_p05-03-529596.xml


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 135, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 35752 times:

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 124):
Wow. Thats unbelievable. to deliver 6 planes in 14hrs is great news!

And to six different airlines to boot. Not bad, I'd say.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 136, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 35583 times:

Boeing is not done with deliveries, another 787 for Qatar scheduled to leave for VCV tonight

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR998



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 137, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 35536 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 134):

China must be really cheesed off about something. I wonder what particular political wrangling is going on concerning this.



What the...?
User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1507 posts, RR: 8
Reply 138, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 35477 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 114):
I know it was reported here that QR would be taking two at this time. Given that they only delivered one today and their is a clear pattern of them taking only one at time so they can send them down to VCV for IFE work etc., I am guessing that L/N 82 won't be delivered until mid January, IMHO.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 113):
That's correct, UAL stated in their regulatory filings that they take 5 787s by the end of the year
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 136):
Boeing is not done with deliveries, another 787 for Qatar scheduled to leave for VCV tonight

"Money talks (especially at the end of year/half/quarter as far as Boeing is concerned) -- you know the rest.

The fact that QTR already had one in mod didn't stop the second delivery and I don't think the regulatory filings will stop UAL from taking 6 this year.

ANA ZA512 appears to be out on an engineering flight today which may push its delivery to next year.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 35472 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 136):
Boeing is not done with deliveries, another 787 for Qatar scheduled to leave for VCV tonight
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 138):
"Money talks (especially at the end of year/half/quarter as far as Boeing is concerned) -- you know the rest.

The fact that QTR already had one in mod didn't stop the second delivery and I don't think the regulatory filings will stop UAL from taking 6 this year.

I happily stand corrected! Maybe AI will even scrape up some more cash and take 3 more this year...


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 140, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 35492 times:
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Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 137):
China must be really cheesed off about something. I wonder what particular political wrangling is going on concerning this.

And yet, if they just approved the purchase of 30 777s....


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 141, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 35328 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 137):
China must be really cheesed off about something. I wonder what particular political wrangling is going on concerning this.



What the...?

Dunno, but if they're replacing less fuel effecient aircraft, think of all the fuel China could be saving as a country by replacing them with 787's...   



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 142, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 35250 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 140):
And yet, if they just approved the purchase of 30 777s....

True...that just seems to muddy the waters more.



What the...?
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 143, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 34354 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 95):
The Hainan 787 (B-2728) is back on the flightline.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvo...tream

The other Hainan bird (LN79 / ZA432) is now also back on the flightline.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8296769227/in/photostream



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 144, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 33744 times:

I apologize if this isn't the appropriate thread, but I am interested in hearing more about the 787-9 schedule... both the first example to test as well as NZ and UA's planes.

Also can anyone update us on the schedule for the sUA orders? After the 11 sCO orders, when is the next 787-8 due?

NS


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Reply 145, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 33757 times:
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The 789 will be assembled this winter/spring with its first flight in the 3d quarter this year. NZ is the launch customer.

IIRC, after the first 11 788s are delivered to UA, their next set won't be delivered till later in 2014. They will be taking a lot of 789s and they should be among the first airlines to get the 789.

[Edited 2012-12-22 21:35:57]

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8752 posts, RR: 5
Reply 146, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 33710 times:
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Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 145):
They will be taking a lot of 789s and they should be among the first airlines to get the 789.

LAN Airlines expects to be the first carrier in the Americas to take delivery of the B-787-9. Just as LAN Airlines was the first carrier in the Americas to take delivery of the B-787-8.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 147, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 33527 times:

And there is more good news: LN34 / ZA380 / B-2725 is now also back on the flightline. None of the completed Chinese birds at PAE are in storage anymore.

http://paineairport.com/kpae5778.htm

[Edited 2012-12-23 01:30:06]


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 148, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 33479 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 147):
nd there is more good news: LN34 / ZA380 / B-2725 is now also back on the flightline. None of the completed Chinese birds at PAE are in storage anymore.

http://paineairport.com/kpae5778.htm

Good news; so the issues preventing delivery of the Chinese 787s have now been resolved; when can we expect the first delivery to a Chinese carrier?


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 33352 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong but did Boeing deliver 3 more 787's yesterday?

http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com/?m=1


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 33280 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 149):

They delivered 6 frames 12-20-2012 and one more for QR 21-12-2012, the ones you saw fly yesterday were delivered some days before fly out.

B delivered 7 frames, 6 one day and 1 more the following day, a total of 9 frames for December.


User currently offlineDCMTL From Canada, joined Dec 2012, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 32965 times:

Does anyone have an update on the frames in Change Incorporation? Are any of these expected to be ready for flight testing in the next month?

User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 33279 times:
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I'd expect the Chinese deliveries to take place in the month of January. They just need to complete their Boeing and customer flights and they'll be good to go. Each already completed change incorporation this year.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 153, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 33296 times:
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Quoting DCMTL (Reply 151):
Does anyone have an update on the frames in Change Incorporation?

Per All Things 787, the following frames are in the EMC so they should all be working towards delivery in 2013:

LN17 - Royal Air Maroc
LN20 - Japan Airlines
LN21 - Japan Airlines
LN28 - Air India
LN30 - Air India
LN32 - Air India
LN36 - China Southern Airlines
LN39 - Ethiopian Airlines


User currently offlineDCMTL From Canada, joined Dec 2012, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 33234 times:

LN21 and LN39 both have Engines attached (per All Things 787) and have for some time. Does that mean they are almost complete? Will they be finished in January?

User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 155, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 33050 times:
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Thinking ahead to the -9, would it be appropriate to start a "787-9 mfg/test" thread as a stand alone, or would it be too confusing?

personally I like threads that have a clear structure/purpose and would favor a new thread.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32987 times:

How much will the thrust grow for the 787-9 compared to the 8? As PIP2 added booster stages to the current engine for more thrust?

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 157, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32985 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 155):
Thinking ahead to the -9, would it be appropriate to start a "787-9 mfg/test" thread as a stand alone, or would it be too confusing?

Have they any work completed on the test frame anyway?



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32994 times:

LN126 is the first 9 frame, it will probably enter FAL around June?

User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 572 posts, RR: 3
Reply 159, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32579 times:

Quoting DCMTL (Reply 154):

LN 21 is scheduled for delivery in Feb 2013.
LN 39 by 30-June-2013 (without any more precise information).


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 160, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 31849 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 153):
LN17 - Royal Air Maroc
LN20 - Japan Airlines
LN21 - Japan Airlines
LN28 - Air India
LN30 - Air India
LN32 - Air India
LN36 - China Southern Airlines
LN39 - Ethiopian Airlines

When LN 17 is delivered next year it mostly likely won't be to RAM but to another customer who will obviously get a nice discount.



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Reply 161, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 31755 times:
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Quoting sweair (Reply 156):
How much will the thrust grow for the 787-9 compared to the 8?

Baseline thrust for the 787-8 is 64,000 pounds and for the 787-9, it is 75,000 pounds. The top thrust I am aware of is 77,826 pounds for the Trent 1000-Z.

However, you can have higher-powered engines on the 787-8 if you need better field performance.


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 572 posts, RR: 3
Reply 162, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 31280 times:

LN 17 most probably to end up with Transaero but more likely delivered in Q1-2014 than in 2013.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 163, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 30236 times:

A peak on the surge line:
- position 3/4: LN90 / ZA242 (Air India)
- position 2: LN94 / ZA318 (first for Thomson)
- position 1: LN97 / ZA513 (ANA)

http://paineairport.com/kpae5779.htm



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1870 posts, RR: 4
Reply 164, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 30117 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 132):
L/N 86 – SP-LRC – 1/xx/2013 – LO #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 87 - SP-LRD – 1/xx/2013 – LO #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 88 - SP-LRE – 1/xx/2013 – LO #5 Awaiting first flight

Does this mean that next 787s due in 2013 for Lot Polish Airlines will be delivered in January? Interesting...

[Edited 2012-12-27 03:22:37]


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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 572 posts, RR: 3
Reply 165, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 30033 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 164):

LOT was saying SP-LRC in Late-Jan, SP-LRD in Early-Feb and SP-LRE in Early Mar as recently as last month in terms of delivery timetable for the next three frames. i reckon SP-LRE will be delivered sooner than that, mid-Feb most likely.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 166, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 29630 times:

A peak on the surge line:
- position 3/4: LN90 / ZA242 (Air India)
- position 2: LN94 / ZA318 (first for Thomson)
- position 1: LN97 / ZA513 (ANA)

http://paineairport.com/kpae5779.htm

Actually ZA318, LN 94 isn't the first 787 for Thomson it is ZA317, LN 92 which is currently in 40-26 which is Thomson's 1st 787



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User currently onlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 167, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 29497 times:

Given that the remaining frames have (tens of) thousands of jobs each, how many of the 20 or so change incorporation aircraft will deliver in 2013?


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 168, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 29243 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 166):
Actually ZA318, LN 94 isn't the first 787 for Thomson it is ZA317, LN 92 which is currently in 40-26 which is Thomson's 1st 787

You are right, I need my glasses.



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 169, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29214 times:
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ZA 285 (L/N 45) for UA is scheduled for delivery and ferry flight from PAE to LAX today, Dec 27th per United/Cont. Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 14 (by LipeGIG Dec 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Post 65. This is UA a/c #6. Their fifth delivery is scheduled to ferry from LAX to IAH today.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 170, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29157 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 167):
Given that the remaining frames have (tens of) thousands of jobs each, how many of the 20 or so change incorporation aircraft will deliver in 2013?

About 12 of those frames should be deliverable next year. Let's have a look on the list.

- There are 5 pre-LN66 frames ready (ready = finished work at the EMC):
LN34: China Southern
LN43: China Southern
LN45: United Airlines
LN54: Air India
LN65: Air India

- There are 8 frames at the EMC which are very likely to roll out in 2013:
LN17: new customer ?? (outside)
LN20: Japan Airlines (inside)
LN21: Japan Airlines (inside)
LN28: Air India (outside)
LN30: Air India (inside)
LN32: Air India (inside)
LN36: China Southern (outside)
LN39: Ethiopian Airlines (inside)

- There are 12 frames left in storage:
LN10 - LN16
LN18 - LN19
LN22, LN25, LN26

The 5 that are ready should be delivered next year, no question mark here. Of the 8 at the EMC, 7 should be deliverable in 2013. I have my doubts on LN17, she won't enter a hangar before LN36 and LN28 I guess plus it will need about 8 months of rework and another 2 months for painting and flight testing.

The EMC should be able to deliver another 8 frames in 2014, these frames probably will be LN26, LN25, LN22, LN19, LN18, LN17, LN16 and LN15. The remaining 5 frames (LN14, LN13, LN12, LN11 and LN10) should be ready in the first half of 2015.

So we are looking at about 12 pre-LN66 frames for next year. Maybe 1 or 2 more, I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing can complete LN26 and LN25 too. Time will tell.

[Edited 2012-12-27 11:53:56]


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 171, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 29127 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 169):
ZA 285 (L/N 45) for UA is scheduled for delivery and ferry flight from PAE to LAX today, Dec 27th per United/Cont. Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 14 (by LipeGIG Dec 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Post 65. This is UA a/c #6. Their fifth delivery is scheduled to ferry from LAX to IAH today.

Nice to see that UA accepted delivery of their 6th earlier than expected! What does UA do with the aircraft at LAX? N27903 (L/N 52 - UA#5) spent a week there!


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 3
Reply 172, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days ago) and read 28968 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 171):
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 169):
ZA 285 (L/N 45) for UA is scheduled for delivery and ferry flight from PAE to LAX today, Dec 27th per United/Cont. Existing Fleet Upgrade Status 14 (by LipeGIG Dec 10 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Post 65. This is UA a/c #6. Their fifth delivery is scheduled to ferry from LAX to IAH today.

Nice to see that UA accepted delivery of their 6th earlier than expected! What does UA do with the aircraft at LAX? N27903 (L/N 52 - UA#5) spent a week there!

So if UA #5 wasn't flying for United at LAX, what was she doing there? Seems confusing that UA is getting new birds delivered to LAX, yet all the flying seems to be by pre-merger Continental crews (I do kow that these early delivery birds were part of the original Continental order...). Will there be a 787 crew base at LAX?



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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 173, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 28858 times:
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LAX is the "induction" airport for UA on the 787. CALTECH or someone at UA might be able to give details but it likely involves "customer specific" stuff like loading entertainment systems, carts, placards for the seats etc. For their fifth frame, it took a week.

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 174, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 28778 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 173):
LAX is the "induction" airport for UA on the 787. CALTECH or someone at UA might be able to give details but it likely involves "customer specific" stuff like loading entertainment systems, carts, placards for the seats etc. For their fifth frame, it took a week.

That is what I thought... but they went to IAH for the first 4, correct? I am guessing they now need the hanger space at IAH for the 787s already in service...


User currently offlineordramper98 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 175, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 28667 times:

No, UA's first two (904, 906) went to IAH. The last three (902, 905, 903) and now 901 are going/ went to LAX for induction.

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Reply 176, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 28312 times:

CalTech? I think that they are too busy with their curiosity about Mars. They have had an ongoing opportunity that I’m sure they don’t want to turn their attention from. And let’s not forget… other places that they have chosen to boldly go. If they are too busy for the 787 then I’ll be glad to give them a pass.