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When DL Sends A Plane To The Desert?

727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5717 posts, RR: 20
Posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

Not all airlines do it, but I thought DL was one of those carriers that immediately removed titles

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But, I saw a recent pic in a mag of an L-1011 that did not have titles removed,. You can see it here vs the norm

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I then noticed some other VCV pics where the titles are not removed.

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So, has DL stopped doing this?

And since that L-1011 was so long ago......
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FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6512 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7078 times:

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Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
I then noticed some other VCV pics where the titles are not removed.

I don't know about the L1011s but 173 is not set for retirement just yet so it won't have it's titles removed.

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B4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6149 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 1):
I don't know about the L1011s but 173 is not set for retirement just yet so it won't have it's titles removed.

Yes, there is storage and there is retirement. If the type is active in the fleet, mothballing it in the desert is different than retirement.

B4REAL, spelled like it sounds

Dalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2365 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6064 times:

A lot of the VCV planes are only in storage. They are still on the Ops Spec and will come back into service. During a slow period we might park some for a while to right size the operation. Which gets parked varies. Some are coming up on HMV and the work is being put off a few months. Others are parked to save cycles on newer planes while flying the doors off another that will soon be cycled out and retired.

Deltalaw From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

Last time I made it out to MHV it did seem that is was rather sporadic. There were plenty of aircraft likely not to return to service that still had full titles, including some Delta L-1011's.

B737900 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5170 times:

I noticed in the middle set of photos of the L-1011's the vertical stabs we painted out in a very particular and identical way (in three of the four photos). Is that for ease of identification or maybe just a personal style of the person with the paint brush? Does Delta (and other carriers) dictate to the crews at MVH exactly how they want the livery painted over? Would love to hear how that whole process works.

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einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2043 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4332 times:

Speaking of titles: why do airlines remove the titles in the first place?

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sweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4197 times:

When I flew on a L1011 I told everyone it was a DC10..shame on me! I was just a kid back then.

bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 6):
Speaking of titles: why do airlines remove the titles in the first place?

In many cases the airplane is leased and when it's returned to the leasing company the titles are removed.

FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6512 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 2):
Yes, there is storage and there is retirement. If the type is active in the fleet, mothballing it in the desert is different than retirement.

Well, of course. I was just pointing out to the OP that 173 was in storage so it won't have its titles removed.

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LGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

Why are the ex Delta L1011's still around?

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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21464 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 10):
Why are the ex Delta L1011's still around?

When there's no demand for the aircraft or the parts, it may be cheaper to leave them parked than pay to have them scrapped.

NWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 844 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

I noticed that on the 767-332ER parked VCV has a scab patch on the left upper fuselage about eight windows aft of the over wing escape exit. Why would Delta put a scab patch or external doubler there? A flush patch would be much better looking and aerodynamically. It creates drag and increases fuel use.

Dalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2365 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting NWAROOSTER (Reply 12):
noticed that on the 767-332ER parked VCV has a scab patch on the left upper fuselage about eight windows aft of the over wing escape exit. Why would Delta put a scab patch or external doubler there? A flush patch would be much better looking and aerodynamically. It creates drag and increases fuel use.

It's a SATCOM antenna. Most repair doublers are scab type though. The internals are a lot more involved. Usually only see them in the nose area due to RVSM requirements.

NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3079 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 10):
Why are the ex Delta L1011's still around?

Are you upset about that? Hopefully they will be around for a long time

LGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
Are you upset about that? Hopefully they will be around for a long time

Im glad they are not scrapped (I don't like seeing any plane getting scrapped), but I just always wondered why they are still around so long after they got retired. You have alot newer planes which get scrapped straight away now these days, so I just wondered how such older planes were still sitting in the desert. As said even though there is no demand for the L1011's, I would love to see Delta make a couple of them into musuem aircraft!

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DL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1761 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 10):
Why are the ex Delta L1011's still around?

They are no longer owned by Delta. Wells Fargo Bank owns a few......

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einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2043 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

Speaking about airplanes in the desert, if I had enough money to buy one for my use, would the airline/leasing company/bank sell it?

"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."

LAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 17):

Speaking about airplanes in the desert, if I had enough money to buy one for my use, would the airline/leasing company/bank sell it?

Yes.

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