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A380 To HNL On Dec 9th  
User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3609 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18551 times:

Heads up to spotters that the A380 (demonstrator I assume?) is expected to visit Honolulu this Sunday.

Not sure if its arriving Saturday or Sunday, but it will be here. I am taking a tour of it later Sunday afternoon.

And no....HA is not buying them or interested in buying them, for that matter  

But it makes one wonder what it's up to. Also, where is it coming from? Thoughts?


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User currently offlinegeardown From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18329 times:

Howard Dicus said it's going to Hong Kong I think.

User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18307 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Thread starter):
Not sure if its arriving Saturday or Sunday

2:30pm on Sunday, according to Airbus via twitter.


User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 18182 times:

Quoting geardown (Reply 1):

Howard Dicus said it's going to Hong Kong I think.
Quoting geardown (Reply 1):
2:30pm on Sunday, according to Airbus via twitter.

thanks!

Might make an afternoon of it then and go watch it come in

Sounds like I should probably start using Twitter more, too



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 18007 times:

Personally, I'd be interested only if it'd attempt to land on 22L (we used to live on the 31st floor of the Waterfront Towers for anyone that lives in Honolulu). A departure from HNL 4L or 4R would be awesome, as would the turn base and FAP to LIH's 35 (LYDAT?) would be pretty sweet, too, but nowhere near a landing at JHM.

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User currently offlinehaynflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17380 times:

The weather has been really messed up lately with a lot of vog. Hopefully that will mean Kona winds and approach over Waikiki Beach. That'd be pretty cool.


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User currently offlinemurchmo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17334 times:

Any links? Open to the public? Man I hope there is Kona winds!


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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17272 times:

Seeing the 380 on the 26L approach would be pretty awesome sight to see for both spotters and the pilots alike! im not going to miss this one!


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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17229 times:

Quoting haynflyer (Reply 5):

Agreed. That would be a hell of a sight to see!

Quoting murchmo (Reply 6):

No links that I could find...found out through company email...though as noted above, its on Airbus' twitter page

Quoting Pohakuloa (Reply 7):

I'm gonna be down at the end of Lagoon Dr I think around arrival time...you probably can't lose there!



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User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 17193 times:
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Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
Personally, I'd be interested only if it'd attempt to land on 22L
Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
A departure from HNL 4L or 4R would be awesome

I would make a special trip to HNL just to see the A380 land on 22L or depart 4L as well!  
Quoting haynflyer (Reply 5):
The weather has been really messed up lately with a lot of vog

Weather forecast shows the trades returning by the weekend, so hopefully the vog clears by then.

Quoting Pohakuloa (Reply 7):
Seeing the 380 on the 26L approach would be pretty awesome sight to see for both spotters and the pilots alike! im not going to miss this one!
Quoting airportugal310 (Thread starter):
I am taking a tour of it later Sunday afternoon.

Enjoy the sight and take lots of pictures! Going to have to give this one a miss.  

[Edited 2012-12-08 00:02:28]

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13822 times:

Quoting je89_w (Reply 9):
I would make a special trip to HNL just to see the A380 land on 22L or depart 4L as well!

That begs the question (probably better answered in a HNL-specific thread): what's the largest aircraft to land on either of the 22s and/or depart from the 4s? From memory, I seem to recall some AQ 732 and HA 717 departures from the 22s, but even those were extremely rare. I don't think I noted anything larger than a King Air depart from the 4s although those are used for heavy arrivals quite frequently (particularly in the wee early hours so as to avoid noise issues). I believe I'd arrived on those aboard an AC 763 (SYD-HNL) years ago. The AC 763 touched down past the piano keys and used every inch of the runway to stop, which made me wonder how a missed approach would fare there.

At any rate, does anyone know off hand if any other island airports are capable of service an A380 in any capacity? I'd venture to guess only KOA (it's long enough) but even then, could the runway/taxiways handle the weight? It'd be somewhat humorous to have to board an A380 via stairs given KOA's lack of a real terminal.

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User currently offlinepenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13629 times:

In Kona Wind conditions the largest aircraft I have personally seen depart 22R or L is a DC10 to the west coast. Larger Japan bound 747s would still use 26L. It is an odd and impressive lineup back in the 90s at the 1300-1400 west coast push with all those widebodies plus the interisland flights all getting lined up for departure plus all the little Cessna's and Tampicos.

In normal wind conditions I have seen 767-400 land on 22R. 22lL/R typically would be used if the DOT was doing some work on 8L


User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12660 times:
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Quoting 777fan (Reply 10):
what's the largest aircraft to land on either of the 22s

The largest aircraft I've personally seen land on the 22s were the DC-3 and the Grumman Albatross.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 10):
From memory, I seem to recall some AQ 732 and HA 717 departures from the 22s, but even those were extremely rare
Quoting penguinflies (Reply 11):
In Kona Wind conditions the largest aircraft I have personally seen depart 22R or L is a DC10 to the west coast.

Runway 22L is commonly used by heavies (even B744s), but for departures only.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 10):
I don't think I noted anything larger than a King Air depart from the 4s

You can get Dash 8-sized aircraft depart from the 4s quite frequently, but I have never seen anything larger (I've heard stories of it happening though).

Quoting penguinflies (Reply 11):
In normal wind conditions I have seen 767-400 land on 22R.

Heavies don't use 22R/4L, as it's mainly meant for GA traffic. However, ATC has put Hawaiian's B712s on 4L, usually when 8L is closed and many aircraft are on approach for 4R.

Quoting penguinflies (Reply 11):
22lL/R typically would be used if the DOT was doing some work on 8L

Don't quite get what you mean - if runway 8L was closed for maintenance, then 4R would be the primary runway for arrivals.


User currently offlineoldoilguy From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 12252 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 2):
2:30pm on Sunday, according to Airbus via twitter.

Thanks! Will be sitting at balcony and watching it, either landing or taking off. Hopefully, the marathon will be over by then...


User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11573 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Thread starter):
And no....HA is not buying them or interested in buying them, for that matter

Ha Ha, I doubt HA could afford one. We can all dream though.

Wouldn't an airline be able to fill an A380 HNL-LAX or HNL-NRT? I thought these were heavy routes. An A380 would help bring the prices down. Low prices mean more travellers.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 14):
Ha Ha, I doubt HA could afford one. We can all dream though.

Wouldn't an airline be able to fill an A380 HNL-LAX or HNL-NRT? I thought these were heavy routes. An A380 would help bring the prices down. Low prices mean more travellers.

I don't think that any airline could fill an A380 to HNL or would want to. Yes, it would bring a lot of people to the islands but at what cost and could an airline make any money at using such a big aircraft to what amounts to a holiday destination.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25117 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 15):
I don't think that any airline could fill an A380 to HNL or would want to. Yes, it would bring a lot of people to the islands but at what cost and could an airline make any money at using such a big aircraft to what amounts to a holiday destination.

747s were heavily used to HNL decades ago when the market was much smaller. In 1979 there were roughly 25 daily 747 departures from HNL.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8183 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
747s were heavily used to HNL decades ago when the market was much smaller. In 1979 there were roughly 25 daily 747 departures from HNL.

Yes you are correct, but where are all the 747's now? Only from Japan do we see any 747's. I live in Honolulu and I don't see the number that were coming in back in the nineties.



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User currently offlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8033 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
747s were heavily used to HNL decades ago when the market was much smaller. In 1979 there were roughly 25 daily 747 departures from HNL.

Some of these flights were trans-Pacific ex AKL/SYD/MEL heading for LAX/SFO/YVR. Now they fly direct.


User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2560 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 4):
I'd be interested only if it'd attempt to land on 22L (we used to live on the 31st floor of the Waterfront Towers for anyone that lives in Honolulu). A departure from HNL 4L or 4R would be awesome, as would the turn base and FAP to LIH's 35 (LYDAT?) would be pretty sweet, too, but nowhere near a landing at JHM.

As others have said here, there is absolutely no way an A380 would land on the 22's. Nothing bigger than maybe a Dash-8 would do that these days. Same goes for departures from the 4's.

Quoting 777fan (Reply 10):
what's the largest aircraft to land on either of the 22s and/or depart from the 4s?

See above.

Quoting je89_w (Reply 12):
Runway 22L is commonly used by heavies (even B744s), but for departures only.

Since I'm based in HNL, I can say with a bit of authority that departures from 22L are very common on Kona wind days, for everything up to 747 size. There's probably 20 to 30 days a year with those wind conditions, so it isn't out of the ordinary. If for some reason a decision is made that they can't use 22L, they would go to the reef runway and use 26L - something I've done a handful of times in the last 13 years. Because of the Koolau mountains directly on the approach path to the 22's as well as a lack of approach procedures, you'll never see any heavies landing on them however.

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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2085 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7506 times:

Obviously not the first time an A380 visits HNL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkpsFpSwj_M

[Edited 2012-12-09 02:41:18]


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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7349 times:

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 20):
Obviously not the first time an A380 visits HNL.

True, but it is the first intended visit by an A380. the 2 other times were diversions. and the first time spotters here will be expecting to see it, not just by chance.  



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User currently offlineHNL-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7099 times:

Does anyone know if this is still a planned 2pm arrival?


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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2085 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

Quoting Pohakuloa (Reply 21):
... and the first time spotters here will be expecting to see it, not just by chance.

I hope to see some pics here or videos on YouTube.
 



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

Quoting HNL-Jack (Reply 22):
Does anyone know if this is still a planned 2pm arrival?

It's being all stealthy like on the major tracking sites...suppose that's not unusual.

Nothing on Flightaware or Flightradar24

However, this was posted 20 hours ago on Airbus In the USA twitter page:

In case any #avgeek in Hawaii missed it, #A380 test aircraft to land at Honolulu at 2:30 pm tomorrow. Visiting friends @HawaiianAir.



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25 777fan : In no way whatsoever was (seriously) suggesting an A380 would ever attempt to land on the 22s! I'd have figured, however, an AQ 732, HA 717 or DC-9 w
26 Viscount724 : True, but there were still about 18 daily US carrier 747 departures from HNL in 1979.
27 777fan : No doubt, but there were also more (US) 747 operators, and (arguably) fewer readily available equipment options other than the 747 (limited quantitie
28 HNLPointShoot : Just saw the A380 on approach for 26L from Ewa Beach. Pics to follow once I get home. Still muggy from the voggy weather, but trades were blowing, so
29 Viscount724 : Also about 12 daily US carrier DC-10s to HNL in the November 15, 1979 OAG, plus 5 daily UA DC-8s (one each from PDX, OAK, SJC, SAN, DEN).
30 VH-BZF : Aloha, Just recently been myself to the fantastic island of Hawaii/Honolulu - love that place - landed inbound on 4R and departed on the reef runway 8
31 Post contains links HNLPointShoot : Pictures posted to the HNL RareBirds blog: http://hnlrarebirds.blogspot.com/2012/12/a380-demonstrator-f-wwdd.html Airbus also posted a picture of F-WW
32 ha763 : You mean 8L. They could have at least posted a picture that isn't so off centered that it cuts off part of the aircraft. I saw the A380 taxi into gat
33 Post contains images airportugal310 : Proof that you can put a lei on anything!
34 Post contains images HNLPointShoot : Oops. Fixed it in the blog post.
35 Post contains images oldeuropean : That lei is so long, you could put it around the MS Allure of the Seas.
36 RWA380 : I was on one of those in Aug 1979, NW 742 SEA-HNL-SEA the first year I went to Hawaii, now I'm over 30+ trips there. I was staying at the Hyatt Regen
37 airbazar : There's 1 airline I could see serving HNL with A380 in the near future: Skymark. Beyond that a lot will depend on what happens to the Chinese economy
38 Bluewave 707 : It will be interesting to see where Skymark will fly their A380s ... if they did HNL (from NRT), it would probably 1 daily flight, but they would: a)
39 Post contains links and images airbazar : Skymark is already owned in part by a large Japanese travel "agency" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.I.S.
40 brilondon : I wish I was home to see this, although I still don't see much of a market for the A380 to HNL with the present compliment of ailines that now serve H
41 Bluewave 707 : @airbazar: thank you, i did not know that. HIS does do a lot of business here, it will be interesting to see if they ever announce HNL as a route. The
42 Post contains images airportugal310 : FYI - The reason the A380 was here was to help train fire and rescue services on the nuances of the 380. When the aircraft was parked at 29, the ARFF
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